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It's absolutely stunning that Fox and all these ass holes constantly do this
and get away with it. Absolutely ZERO truth to any of this. They should be nailed by the other networks for not even attempting to check things out and get to the bottom of things.
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Fox lie? Say it ain't so!
These e-mails provide nothing to debunk climate change. The naysayers will throw mud until they hope something sticks.
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Its a hoax.They have been doctering temperatures for years.The entire research is baded on a set of false information.They never allowed peer research.This thing is the biggest scandle in the hoistory of this country and Phil Jones and Al Gore should be dragged into the street and hung for treason for the lives they have desytroyed!!!!!!!!!!!!
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if you said its a hoax it must be true :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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WHERES ALL THE NUT JOBS, HOW COME NO REPLIES
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Were these E-mails the basis for "Climate Change has been proven a hoax?"
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IT'S ALL THEY HAVE, SO RUSH AND BECK REPEAT THIS TO ALL THEIR FOLLOWERS [THE SIMPLE MINDED]
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yea al gore fits right in with the list of names above and all his mindless followers
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I don't buy the whole global warming thing anyway - I think it's cyclical.
But these emails... well it reminds me of the 'whitey' tape that didn't exist. Or the Obama thesis that didn't exist. Rush Limbaugh and friends sold this shit as reality, of course, then got quiet when they ended up not existing.
Repubs got a black eye on this one :( Making shit up to get their way, that's shit.
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haha - right wing wind bags owned
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I was watching some documentary the other night about a team of multi-national scientists drill about 1500' into an ice core in Greenland.
They are showing natural cooling and warming periods throughout the ages, and the next "warming" stage will be in a few yrs.
However, that has been the established pattern of what they have seen for more than 150k yrs, according to the core samples.
So....how were those previous warming trends triggered.....the flintstones cars????
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Those Earth goes through cycles of warming and cooling - what "global warming" is about it warming that is happening outside these cycles.
But maybe for you it's easier to believe that those mad scientists are in a conspiracy.
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Those Earth goes through cycles of warming and cooling - what "global warming" is about it warming that is happening outside these cycles.
But maybe for you it's easier to believe that those mad scientists are in a conspiracy.
Well then why don't you tell me what is a natural cycle and what is abnormal. Maybe it's easier for you to be a useful idiot for the assholes are using this "crisis" for the biggest power and financial grab in the history of mankind.
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This video doesn't say anything that the scientists haven't already been saying, and the narrator is even calling for an investigation into the matter.
Not to mention, he chooses not to discuss what I consider the most damning email; where it's argued that dissenting scientific opinions should be shunned.
Let's wait for the results of the investigation. It may play out to be nothing, or...
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i definitely dont claim to be an expert... but i have always hated and not trusted gore. his name brand was on it, and i dont trust him.
that being said, the opposite side making shit up is just pathetic.
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Well then why don't you tell me what is a natural cycle and what is abnormal. Maybe it's easier for you to be a useful idiot for the assholes are using this "crisis" for the biggest power and financial grab in the history of mankind.
I can't I'm not a climate scientist, but then again neither are you and neither is Rush Limbaugh, and of course we can't trust the climate scientists 'cos we know they are conspiring against us.
I didn't hear you complaining when Bush was on his nation building binge - now that was a power grab.
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i definitely dont claim to be an expert... but i have always hated and not trusted gore. his name brand was on it, and i dont trust him.
that being said, the opposite side making shit up is just pathetic.
Yeah I don't like the Gore involvement either - it makes what should be a bi-partisan issue a ground for conflict.
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I can't I'm not a climate scientist, but then again neither are you and neither is Rush Limbaugh, and of course we can't trust the climate scientists 'cos we know they are conspiring against us.
I didn't hear you complaining when Bush was on his nation building binge - now that was a power grab.
Well first off all I didn't post here when Bush was POTUS so it would have been impossible. What is it with you libs and your incessant desire to quantify everything with Bush? I may not be a climatologist but I can do my own research and not just blindly follow the left wing groupthink where global warming becomes dogma. There has been FOIA requests for their data for years they won't make it public, why? Who ever has a dissenting opinion is ostracized and becomes and outcast in the scientific community, why? Al Gore the king of Global Warming takes a pass on his chance to preach to the choir in Copenhagen after these e-mails become public, why?
There are 3 kinds of people in this world Sheep, Sheep Dogs, and Wolves.
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Well first off all I didn't post here when Bush was POTUS so it would have been impossible. What is it with you libs and your incessant desire to quantify everything with Bush? I may not be a climatologist but I can do my own research and not just blindly follow the left wing groupthink where global warming becomes dogma. There has been FOIA requests for their data for years they won't make it public, why? Who ever has a dissenting opinion is ostracized and becomes and outcast in the scientific community, why? Al Gore the king of Global Warming takes a pass on his chance to preach to the choir in Copenhagen after these e-mails become public, why?
There are 3 kinds of people in this world Sheep, Sheep Dogs, and Wolves.
Can I ask you one question - Are the worlds climatologists involved in a conspiracy, yes or no?
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Can I ask you one question - Are the worlds climatologists involved in a conspiracy, yes or no?
How about answering my questions first
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Well first off all I didn't post here when Bush was POTUS so it would have been impossible. What is it with you libs and your incessant desire to quantify everything with Bush?
I guess it's because all the usually suspects who were telling us how great Bush was are the same guys that are telling us how bad Obama is.
I may not be a climatologist but I can do my own research and not just blindly follow the left wing groupthink where global warming becomes dogma. There has been FOIA requests for their data for years they won't make it public, why?
Ok - then watch the video. Is two emails out of a thousand the basis for an accusation of fraud? As for giving away data - scientists are always touchy on that - it's more than probably useless to anyone who is not a climatologists anyway.
Who ever has a dissenting opinion is ostracized and becomes and outcast in the scientific community, why?
Scientists require rigorous proof and research to prove/disprove any established theory. If you haven't got the proof/research you bet you will be "laughed out of class" as you should be.
Al Gore the king of Global Warming takes a pass on his chance to preach to the choir in Copenhagen after these e-mails become public, why?
Ask Al Gore. Personally I see this as a good thing because it was making the issue a left versus right one.
There are 3 kinds of people in this world Sheep, Sheep Dogs, and Wolves.
No comment.
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I doubt it is a huge conspiracy. It may just be a couple of scientists behaving like ass-wipes. It may be nothing but smoke. But it's certainly deserving of a critical look and an investigation.
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I guess it's because all the usually suspects who were telling us how great Bush was are the same guys that are telling us how bad Obama is.
Ok - then watch the video. Is two emails out of a thousand the basis for an accusation of fraud? As for giving away data - scientists are always touchy on that - it's more than probably useless to anyone who is not a climatologists anyway.
Scientists require rigorous proof and research to prove/disprove any established theory. If you haven't got the proof/research you bet you will be "laughed out of class" as you should be.
Ask Al Gore. Personally I see this as a good thing because it was making the issue a left versus right one.
No comment.
1) how is making data public giving it away? I guess it would be to much to ask to actually see the data that is going to change the very fabric of our way of life. And what makes you think you have to be a rocket scientist to look at data and determine if the temp is going up down or staying the same?
2) So a conscensus is fact? since when, science is based on fact not well enough of think the moon is indeed made of green cheese so take our word for it.
3) My guess is he is dumping all his stock in the carbon credit market before it goes belly up.
Is it a conspiracy, not enough information to determine that yet, but it has become painfully obvious that this is based on wealth, why else would there be a market for carbon credits? So as long as you are wealthy enough you can do whatever you want with impunity?
Got news for you, when you are living in your government mandated hobble, eating your government mandated soilent green freezing your ass off because the cost to heat said hobble has quadrupled you aren't going to give a fuck about that spotted owl on the endangered species list. You be having that little bastard for dinner.
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1) how is making data public giving it away? I guess it would be to much to ask to actually see the data that is going to change the very fabric of our way of life. And what makes you think you have to be a rocket scientist to look at data and determine if the temp is going up down or staying the same?
2) So a conscensus is fact? since when, science is based on fact not well enough of think the moon is indeed made of green cheese so take our word for it.
3) My guess is he is dumping all his stock in the carbon credit market before it goes belly up.
Is it a conspiracy, not enough information to determine that yet, but it has become painfully obvious that this is based on wealth, why else would there be a market for carbon credits? So as long as you are wealthy enough you can do whatever you want with impunity?
Got news for you, when you are living in your government mandated hobble, eating your government mandated soilent green freezing your ass off because the cost to heat said hobble has quadrupled you aren't going to give a fuck about that spotted owl on the endangered species list. You be having that little bastard for dinner.
1) What ever their reasons they don't want to give it away - therefore they are obviously involved in a conspiracy :P
2) Absolutely - consensus is fact - but we are talking about informed consensus backed up with research not some right wing radio host with no qualifications.
3) Don't worry about me freezing the weather here is fine.
I'm still taking a wait and see attitude with this one - but I don't think the political process should interfere with the scientific process.
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1) What ever their reasons they don't want to give it away - therefore they are obviously involved in a conspiracy :P
2) Absolutely - consensus is fact - but we are talking about informed consensus backed up with research not some right wing radio host with no qualifications.
3) Don't worry about me freezing the weather here is fine.
I'm still taking a wait and see attitude with this one - but I don't think the political process should interfere with the scientific process.
1) There is a reason there is a FOIA, so "scientist" or whoever can't just peddle some bullshit, maybe you are willing to just accept whetever you are told ( sheep ) but I am not (sheepdog ) from the global warming fanatics ( wolves)
2) The hell it is, until it is proven it is a theory, and it has not been proven that global warming, climate change, or whatever the latest buzz word is man made.
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Yeah none of this is political
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1) There is a reason there is a FOIA, so "scientist" or whoever can't just peddle some bullshit, maybe you are willing to just accept whetever you are told ( sheep ) but I am not (sheepdog ) from the global warming fanatics ( wolves)
2) The hell it is, until it is proven it is a theory, and it has not been proven that global warming, climate change, or whatever the latest buzz word is man made.
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Yeah none of this is political
1) FOIA is a US construct. Scientists involved in research probably don't want some layman looking at the data and saying "2 out 1000 points in the data definitely point to global cooling" or for that matter that data used for political purposes to prove/disprove anything.
2) Proof requires evidence which requires research which requires peer-reviewing for errors, bad assumptions and such. Once the experts have agreed (consensus) then my friend we have a theory. I will say I don't know what the consensus among Scientists is for Global Warming.
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Well I would say that the Scientists involved probably didn't appreciate their "2 emails" being taken out of context for the purposes of a political witch-hunt.
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1) FOIA is a US construct. Scientists involved in research probably don't want some layman looking at the data and saying "2 out 1000 points in the data definitely point to global cooling" or for that matter that data used for political purposes to prove/disprove anything.
2) Proof requires evidence which requires research which requires peer-reviewing for errors, bad assumptions and such. Once the experts have agreed (consensus) then my friend we have a theory. I will say I don't know what the consensus among Scientists is for Global Warming.
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Well I would say that the Scientists involved probably didn't appreciate their "2 emails" being taken out of context for the purposes of a political witch-hunt.
1) There is also a FOIA in Great Britian, where is this climate institute located? And it doesn't fucking matter, we are entitled to see it, since it is going to have a direct effect on everyone's life.
2) that is what I said it is a theory, it is not a proven fact. And I am not willing to bet the future of my country on a theory.
I don't really give a shit what the scientist appreciate, if they have nothing to hide produce the data.
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1) There is also a FOIA in Great Britian, where is this climate institute located? And it doesn't fucking matter, we are entitled to see it, since it is going to have a direct effect on everyone's life.
2) that is what I said it is a theory, it is not a proven fact. And I am not willing to bet the future of my country on a theory.
I don't really give a shit what the scientist appreciate, if they have nothing to hide produce the data.
1) Yeah OK I concede - they should just hand over the data.
2) Like I said I don't know the consensus among Scientists. There are two issues: 1. are temperatures going up and 2. if temperatures are going up is it man-made, I believe that number 1 is true, I'm not sold on number 2. But this whole thing has been muddied with people jumping off the deep end over two emails that it's hard to take the non-global warming side seriously.
I'm not convinced that they are trying to "hide" anything - maybe they just can't be bothered with time-wasters. Anyone who is a climatologists can collect their own data and draw their own conclusions.
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I guess it's because all the usually suspects who were telling us how great Bush was are the same guys that are telling us how bad Obama is.
Where? Most of the conservatives on this board have said many times over that Bush was a disaster in his second term.
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NOT ONE REPLY BY 333386,I WONDER WHY?
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NOT ONE REPLY BY 333386,I WONDER WHY?
Man made global warming is a hoax!!!!The scientists have now been outed.I love it that the left is pissed over stolen emails but were dead ass silent over Palins being stolen.
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Man made global warming is a hoax!!!!The scientists have now been outed.I love it that the left is pissed over stolen emails but were dead ass silent over Palins being stolen.
Its like Santa Claus died for these clowns.
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BILLY AND 333386 DUMB AND DUMBER :D :D
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HEY bLACKEN:
HOW ABOUT THIS?
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The Fiction Of Climate Science
Gary Sutton, 12.04.09, 10:00 AM EST
Why the climatologists get it wrong.
Many of you are too young to remember, but in 1975 our government pushed "the coming ice age."
Random House dutifully printed "THE WEATHER CONSPIRACY … coming of the New Ice Age." This may be the only book ever written by 18 authors. All 18 lived just a short sled ride from Washington, D.C. Newsweek fell in line and did a cover issue warning us of global cooling on April 28, 1975. And The New York Times, Aug. 14, 1976, reported "many signs that Earth may be headed for another ice age."
oK you say, that's media. But what did our rational scientists say?
In 1974, the National Science Board announced: "During the last 20 to 30 years, world temperature has fallen, irregularly at first but more sharply over the last decade. Judging from the record of the past interglacial ages, the present time of high temperatures should be drawing to an end…leading into the next ice age."
You can't blame these scientists for sucking up to the fed's mantra du jour. Scientists live off grants. Remember how Galileo recanted his preaching about the earth revolving around the sun? He, of course, was about to be barbecued by his leaders. Today's scientists merely lose their cash flow. Threats work.
In 2002 I stood in a room of the Smithsonian. One entire wall charted the cooling of our globe over the last 60 million years. This was no straight line. The curve had two steep dips followed by leveling. There were no significant warming periods. Smithsonian scientists inscribed it across some 20 feet of plaster, with timelines.
the people who buy into the Climate Gate bs are nothing more than sheeple. How much has to happen before these leftist thinking sots realize they are being led to their own destruction, all the while....
Read All Comments (175)Post a CommentLast year, I went back. That fresco is painted over. The same curve hides behind smoked glass, shrunk to three feet but showing the same cooling trend. Hey, why should the Smithsonian put its tax-free status at risk? If the politicians decide to whip up public fear in a different direction, get with it, oh ye subsidized servants. Downplay that embarrassing old chart and maybe nobody will notice.
Sorry, I noticed.
It's the job of elected officials to whip up panic. They then get re-elected. Their supporters fall in line.
Al Gore thought he might ride his global warming crusade back toward the White House. If you saw his movie, which opened showing cattle on his farm, you start to understand how shallow this is. The United Nations says that cattle, farting and belching methane, create more global warming than all the SUVs in the world. Even more laughably, Al and his camera crew flew first class for that film, consuming 50% more jet fuel per seat-mile than coach fliers, while his Tennessee mansion sucks as much carbon as 20 average homes.
His PR folks say he's "carbon neutral" due to some trades. I'm unsure of how that works, but, maybe there's a tribe in the Sudan that cannot have a campfire for the next hundred years to cover Al's energy gluttony. I'm just not sophisticated enough to know how that stuff works. But I do understand he flies a private jet when the camera crew is gone.
The fall of Saigon in the '70s may have distracted the shrill pronouncements about the imminent ice age. Science's prediction of "A full-blown, 10,000 year ice age," came from its March 1, 1975 issue. The Christian Science Monitor observed that armadillos were retreating south from Nebraska to escape the "global cooling" in its Aug. 27, 1974 issue.
That armadillo caveat seems reminiscent of today's tales of polar bears drowning due to glaciers disappearing.
While scientists march to the drumbeat of grant money, at least trees don't lie. Their growth rings show what's happened no matter which philosophy is in power. Tree rings show a mini ice age in Europe about the time Stradivarius crafted his violins. Chilled Alpine Spruce gave him tighter wood so the instruments sang with a new purity. But England had to give up the wines that the Romans cultivated while our globe cooled, switching from grapes to colder weather grains and learning to take comfort with beer, whisky and ales.
Yet many centuries earlier, during a global warming, Greenland was green. And so it stayed and was settled by Vikings for generations until global cooling came along. Leif Ericsson even made it to Newfoundland. His shallow draft boats, perfect for sailing and rowing up rivers to conquer villages, wouldn't have stood a chance against a baby iceberg.
Those sustained temperature swings, all before the evil economic benefits of oil consumption, suggest there are factors at work besides humans.
Today, as I peck out these words, the weather channel is broadcasting views of a freakish and early snow falling on Dallas. The Iowa state extension service reports that the record corn crop expected this year will have unusually large kernels, thanks to "relatively cool August and September temperatures." And on Jan. 16, 2007, NPR went politically incorrect, briefly, by reporting that "An unusually harsh winter frost, the worst in 20 years, killed much of the California citrus, avocados and flower crops."
To be fair, those reports are short-term swings. But the longer term changes are no more compelling, unless you include the ice ages, and then, perhaps, the panic attempts of the 1970s were right. Is it possible that if we put more CO2 in the air, we'd forestall the next ice age?
I can ask "outrageous" questions like that because I'm not dependent upon government money for my livelihood. From the witch doctors of old to the elected officials today, scaring the bejesus out of the populace maintains their status.
Sadly, the public just learned that our scientific community hid data and censored critics. Maybe the feds should drop this crusade and focus on our health care crisis. They should, of course, ignore the life insurance statistics that show every class of American and both genders are living longer than ever. That's another inconvenient fact.
Gary Sutton is co-founder of Teledesic and has been CEO of several other companies, including Knight Protective Industries and @Backup.