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Shocker polls: That Sarah Palin-Barack Obama gap melts to 1 point
December 8, 2009 | 2:42 am
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Lordy, Lordy, Lordy, look what the pollsters just brought in.
A pair of new surveys revealing that Democrat President Obama is still declining and has hit a new low in job approval among Americans just 56 weeks after they elected him with a decided margin.
And -- wait for it -- Republican Sarah Palin is successfully selling a whole lot more than books out there on the road. Even among those not lining up in 10-degree weather to catch a glimpse of pretty much the only political celebrity the GOP has these days.
First, el jefe. Facing double-digit unemployment, rising spending, deficits and Afghan war casualties plus a keystone but stalled healthcare reform effort that caused a rare Sunday presidential visit to Capitol Hill, Obama recently fell below 50% job approval for the first time.
Then, last week's deft dance of rhetoric over sending reinforcements to Afghanistan but, on the other foot, bringing them home quickly maybe gave him a brief boost. That, however, collapsed with equal rapidity.
Obama's new Gallup Poll job approval number is 47%. Last month it was 53%.
Regular Ticket readers will recall how in this space in late November we pointed out that Obama's closely-watched job approval slide was coinciding with Palin's little-noticed rise in favorability. And it appeared they might cross somewhere in the 40s.
Well, ex-Sen. Obama, meet ex-Gov. Palin.
The new CNN/Opinion Research Poll shows Palin now at 46% favorable, just one point below her fellow basketball fan.
(The same poll, btw, has bad news for Dick Cheney-haters; the outspoken former VP has climbed out of the 29% basement back up to 39% now. How do you suppose he's done that without a new book? But that's another story.)
Not that either Palin or Obama will admit caring about such trivial things as disparate political polls....
...1,071 days before the 2012 election, when Republicans will have the concept of change on their side. Although Obama's camp is already using the looming Palin pall as a fundraising tool. Never let any potential threat go unmonetized.
The new numbers seem to indicate that despite oft-cited predictions about the dire impact of Palin resigning her Alaska governor's job last July, a lot of people who don't live in Alaska (and, come to think of it, most people don't live in Alaska) don't seem to care. She wasn't their governor then and she still isn't.
Palin's low favorable poll point of 39% came right after the mid-summer resignation and she's been slowly climbing since, fueled by media attention fueled by eager reader response over her book contents, her tour and the spontaneous outpouring of support at her carefully-calculated bus stops along the way -- 31 appearances in 25 states, many of them politically crucial.
Imagine what critics would be saying now if Palin was neglecting her elected Juneau job to sell books in the lower 48 and talk to an elite club of Washington journalists, if there is such a thing.
The view, Palin told the capitol's Gridiron Club Saturday night in her self-deprecating and at times pointed remarks (full text right here), is a whole lot better from inside the bus than from under it.
Palin critics -- and, by golly, there still are some, believe it or not -- say that she's a polarizing political figure.
And they're dead-on correct: 46% like her (including 8 of 10 Republicans), 46% don't (including 7 of 10 Democrats) and only 8% are undecided (no doubt including many who've been living underground since John McCain unveiled his VP GOP running mate in Dayton some15 months ago).
But here's the fascinating, little-noticed catch:
The very same polarization now holds true for Obama, the fresh fellow from the old Chicago Democratic machine who was supposed to bring hope and change to a nation tired of divisive politics and the harsh partisan tone of Washington.
Fully 83% of Democrats approve of him, but only 14% of Republicans do.
Among independents, who provided the crucial winning boost for the Democrat ticket in November 2008, Obama's support has melted to 42% today, in large part over immense spending and deficit concerns.
And as political veteran Dave Cook points out over on the Vote blog, just since last month 3% of Obama's own Democrats have abandoned his ship, another 4% of Republicans and fully 7% of independents.
Other recent polls have shown Republicans leading for the first time this year on the generic congressional ballot and self-identified Republicans closing the gap with self-identified Democrats.
Meanwhile, Palin continued her book/celebrity sales tour across the heartland, stopping Sunday in -- oh, look! -- Iowa. "No politician comes to Iowa by accident," Republican strategist Tim Albrecht told AP's Mike Glover.
More significantly, Palin was in western Iowa which is ruled by the Republican Party, which in the Hawkeye state these days is ruled by conservative evangelicals, who form a large chunk of Palin's evolving base. As another ex-governor, Mitt Romney, learned to his dismay in the 2008 GOP caucuses won by another ex-governor (and Baptist preacher), Mike Huckabee.
Obviously, not every politician visiting Iowa each election cycle ends up running for president. And not every Iowa winner collects the big prize. But no one gets to the White House without going to Iowa. Which Palin has now done on her own. Purportedly selling a book.
-- Andrew Malcolm
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She plays her cards right and she will be a force of nature.
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Was this poll taken before or after her dad told reporters she moved because she didn't like minorities?
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Was this poll taken before or after her dad told reporters she moved because she didn't like minorities?
Well,the country just voted a raving racist in there last time in Obama and a vice president who hates Arabs [remember his joke about 711s]so its obvious being racial means nothing.
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Wow, monster irrelevance.
Is there a election for president at the end of the year? ::)
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Wow, monster irrelevance.
Is there a election for president at the end of the year? ::)
At the end of next year, if the GOP wins big in the mid terms, Obama will be finished completely unless he awakens one day as a conservative.
If Palin plays her cards right, and the timing is right, she can win in places like Ohio, Wisconsin. and others if the jobs situation is still a mess and gasoline is over 4 a gallon.
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Hey 3333,
You do realize that Palin would get stomped by candidates in her own party in any debate right?
They will tear her to shreds just on the fact that she bailed as governor as soon as she could make a buck
You do realize that there are simply not enough idiots who vote to put Palin into office right (this is going to be her biggest problem by far)
She's the spiritual leader of a fringe party and she's obviously way more interested in being a celebrity than actually doing the hard work of running the country.
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It's 3 years from the election, and the tea party is ranking better in ramussen polls than the republican party.
And repubs are celebrating. LMFAO.
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At the end of next year, if the GOP wins big in the mid terms, Obama will be finished completely unless he awakens one day as a conservative.
If Palin plays her cards right, and the timing is right, she can win in places like Ohio, Wisconsin. and others if the jobs situation is still a mess and gasoline is over 4 a gallon.
SHE can win what in Ohio and Wisconsin?
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Hey 3333,
You do realize that Palin would get stomped by candidates in her own party in any debate right?
They will tear her to shreds just on the fact that she bailed as governor as soon as she could make a buck
You do realize that there are simply not enough idiots who vote to put Palin into office right (this is going to be her biggest problem by far)
She's the spiritual leader of a fringe party and she's obviously way more interested in being a celebrity than actually doing the hard work of running the country.
Huck is done.
Romney has a lot of problems because of his health care disaster in MA
Rudy is not running.
RP is too old.
Pawlenty & Jindle are kind of wimpish.
I like Thune.
Sarah could win by default.
You did not read her book and have no idea what happened in Alaska after the election. But keep uo wuith the STRAW MAN arguments, which you are so good at.
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In 1989, nobody had a clue clinton would be the nominee.
In 1997, nobody had a clue bush would be the nominee.
In 2005, just a few open-minded party optimists thought Obama would be the nominee.
In 2005, everyone and their mother KNEW it would be hilary vs. rudy in the general election.
In 2009, people don't have a fcking clue who the 2012 nominee will be. My bet is that the GOP runs some cool war hero along with a conservative spending governor like Hunstman and makes it a close one.
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In 1989, nobody had a clue clinton would be the nominee.
In 1997, nobody had a clue bush would be the nominee.
In 2005, just a few open-minded party optimists thought Obama would be the nominee.
In 2005, everyone and their mother KNEW it would be hilary vs. rudy in the general election.
In 2009, people don't have a fcking clue who the 2012 nominee will be. My bet is that the GOP runs some cool war hero along with a conservative spending governor like Hunstman and makes it a close one.
How about Palin/Petraus?
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How about patraeus and someone who isn't a fcking drama queen quitter?
seriously, stop settling for mediocrity and look in the GOP for a candidate with an advanced law or economics degree, 10 years of stable govt running, and a crystal clean personal history.
this jerry springer shit is embarassing. have some fvcking standards for your party. you're obviously smitten with miss palin. Buy her calendar. But putting her in charge of the free world because she is spunky and cute? Gimme a break. "settling" didn't work in 08. Don't do it in 2012, please!!!
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How about Palin/Petraus?
Yeah a former 4-star General taking orders from a dumb bitch who barely knows where russia is. ::)
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Yeah a former 4-star General taking orders from a dumb bitch who barely knows where russia is. ::)
How about Thune/Patreus?
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and i'd pick a moderate war hero or expereinced military man, without the iraq stink on him.
Picture a Zinni or Wes clark or whoever.
Then you get someone with SERIOUS cred in economics dude. Palin doesn't have law, economics, or military experience. Obama/Biden both have law experience, and they were a weak ticket. Mccain had military and law, but palin had none of these things. Heartbeat bechine 4x cancer survivor at 72 years old - didnt fly.
You put a military man behind a strong economist wh acts professionally and doens't hav a Levi writing tell-all books about how she'd hide in her room all day watchign wedding shows. You win the election.
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and i'd pick a moderate war hero or expereinced military man, without the iraq stink on him.
Picture a Zinni or Wes clark or whoever.
Then you get someone with SERIOUS cred in economics dude. Palin doesn't have law, economics, or military experience. Obama/Biden both have law experience, and they were a weak ticket. Mccain had military and law, but palin had none of these things. Heartbeat bechine 4x cancer survivor at 72 years old - didnt fly.
You put a military man behind a strong economist wh acts professionally and doens't hav a Levi writing tell-all books about how she'd hide in her room all day watchign wedding shows. You win the election.
Yeah, but Palin has a vagina. It excites conservatives.
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and i'd pick a moderate war hero or expereinced military man, without the iraq stink on him.
Picture a Zinni or Wes clark or whoever.
Then you get someone with SERIOUS cred in economics dude. Palin doesn't have law, economics, or military experience. Obama/Biden both have law experience, and they were a weak ticket. Mccain had military and law, but palin had none of these things. Heartbeat bechine 4x cancer survivor at 72 years old - didnt fly.
You put a military man behind a strong economist wh acts professionally and doens't hav a Levi writing tell-all books about how she'd hide in her room all day watchign wedding shows. You win the election.
Patreus woulndt sell 240?
He almost single handidly saved that mess.
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no, I think many people see patraeus as the puppet bush used. he's polarizing, no matter how successful surge was.
You get a guy with cred from a war/time period that isn't so polarizing with people. Iraq isn't a popular war. Desert storm, or some of that other mess in africa or whatever, they are popular.
plus wasn't wes clark a repub who ran as a dem? you put him on the ticket and you get a LOT of moderates, and you put on a far-right repub to get that base to show up.
33, seriously, move on to a more qualfied candidate than palin. She has 2 years working for the oil lobby and 1 pipeline bill she passed and was never built. She doesn't "know more about energy than anyone in America", as mccain lied. Get a hutchinson who has FAR MORE experience in dealing with state energy issue, still has the female vote, and also has no family drama, can speak without using run-on sentences, has the foreign experience, and 20 years of legislative experience.
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no, I think many people see patraeus as the puppet bush used. he's polarizing, no matter how successful surge was.
You get a guy with cred from a war/time period that isn't so polarizing with people. Iraq isn't a popular war. Desert storm, or some of that other mess in africa or whatever, they are popular.
plus wasn't wes clark a repub who ran as a dem? you put him on the ticket and you get a LOT of moderates, and you put on a far-right repub to get that base to show up.
33, seriously, move on to a more qualfied candidate than palin. She has 2 years working for the oil lobby and 1 pipeline bill she passed and was never built. She doesn't "know more about energy than anyone in America", as mccain lied. Get a hutchinson who has FAR MORE experience in dealing with state energy issue, still has the female vote, and also has no family drama, can speak without using run-on sentences, has the foreign experience, and 20 years of legislative experience.
What the heck are you talking about? She threatened to kick Exxon out of the state. She did none of what you say and if you read her book perhaps you would at least be accurate in your gripes against her.
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please list her energy accomplishments as governor. List them.
"threaten to..." doesn't count for jack shit. Tell us what she accomplished in ENERGY in 20 months of being governor minus 8 months of campaigning.
Please list them.
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33 i can't believe you buy into this sh*t. Is she president? No. Is there even an election for president coming up? No. So please explain how this is relevant? It is nothing but manure.
Besides i thought Obama was destroying our country and now Palin is only tied with him? Gosh talk about back handing your own candidate with that one 333.
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please list her energy accomplishments as governor. List them.
"threaten to..." doesn't count for jack shit. Tell us what she accomplished in ENERGY in 20 months of being governor minus 8 months of campaigning.
Please list them.
Read the book 240. She went into such detail in there you probably would be embarassed at some of the garbage you hurl at her.
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and i'd pick a moderate war hero or expereinced military man, without the iraq stink on him.
Picture a Zinni or Wes clark or whoever.
Then you get someone with SERIOUS cred in economics dude. Palin doesn't have law, economics, or military experience. Obama/Biden both have law experience, and they were a weak ticket. Mccain had military and law, but palin had none of these things. Heartbeat bechine 4x cancer survivor at 72 years old - didnt fly.
You put a military man behind a strong economist wh acts professionally and doens't hav a Levi writing tell-all books about how she'd hide in her room all day watchign wedding shows. You win the election.
Wes Clarck?The guy ISNT a moderate.He is a FAR left idiot.If republicans go for him or that fool Powell then I will sit out the election.
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Read the book 240. She went into such detail in there you probably would be embarassed at some of the garbage you hurl at her.
Like what? She has done NOTHING but be a pretty face and quit her job. You lap it up like it's momma's milk when will you realize it's sour?
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Like what? She has done NOTHING but be a pretty face and quit her job. You lap it up like it's momma's milk when will you realize it's sour?
Did you read her book? No.
She spent page after page after page after page on what she did on energy and other issues.
Read it for yourself.
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Did you read her book? No.
She spent page after page after page after page on what she did on energy and other issues.
Read it for yourself.
Typical response from someone who can not defend his 'messiah' on issues she is suppose to be a leader at.
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Typical response from someone who can not defend his 'messiah' on issues she is suppose to be a leader at.
Can you defend Obama claiming to have created or saved 600,000 jobs from the stimulous.Can you defend the hoax of global warming,the hoax of swine flu,the hoax of the health care crisis.Your messiah is purposely destroying the economy and your worried about what Palin did in Alaska?
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Can you defend Obama claiming to have created or saved 600,000 jobs from the stimulous.Can you defend the hoax of global warming,the hoax of swine flu,the hoax of the health care crisis.Your messiah is purposely destroying the economy and your worried about what Palin did in Alaska?
Billy seriously? Hoax swine flu? Go talk to someone at the centre for disease control and they will give you the whats up on that.
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Billy seriously? Hoax swine flu? Go talk to someone at the centre for disease control and they will give you the whats up on that.
They stated it was a global pandemic and YOU MUST get a shot.They just came out today admitting its not as severe as thought.It was a hoax to try to push through health care reform.
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I'll ask again, 333386.
please list her energy accomplishments as governor. List them.
"threaten to..." doesn't count for jack shit. Tell us what she accomplished in ENERGY in 20 months of being governor minus 8 months of campaigning.
Please list them.
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I'll ask again, 333386.
please list her energy accomplishments as governor. List them.
"threaten to..." doesn't count for jack shit. Tell us what she accomplished in ENERGY in 20 months of being governor minus 8 months of campaigning.
Please list them.
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I read her book and you sound like a complete joke with your remarks. She spent probably 25% of the book on this and I wont do your homework for you.
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I see. You read the book and won't list 5 meaningful things she did on energy. Okay.
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I see. You read the book and won't list 5 meaningful things she did on energy. Okay.
1. She outed the corrupt members of the oil commission.
2. She got the pipleline deal done.
3. She voided the leases of the oil companies who were sitting on them and not doing shit so that new companies could come in and do exploration.
4. She was able to bring a lot of new energy jobs to the state by opening up the leases for oil.
5. She was able to get money to the citizens of alaska to help with their heating bills in the form of royalty checks.
Read the damn book. She goes into this stuff in a lot of detail.
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1. She outed the corrupt members of the oil commission. Did they go to jail? Lose their jobs? Or did she just bitch about them to the media?
2. She got the pipleline deal done. When does the pipeline launch?
3. She voided the leases of the oil companies who were sitting on them and not doing shit so that new companies could come in and do exploration. Great work there. Were the new companies related to her hubby's firm? transnatl?
4. She was able to bring a lot of new energy jobs to the state by opening up the leases for oil. how many, and are those jobs sitll there?
5. She was able to get money to the citizens of alaska to help with their heating bills in the form of royalty checks. Was this federal $ she took?
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1. She outed the corrupt members of the oil commission. Did they go to jail? Lose their jobs? Or did she just bitch about them to the media?
2. She got the pipleline deal done. When does the pipeline launch?
3. She voided the leases of the oil companies who were sitting on them and not doing shit so that new companies could come in and do exploration. Great work there. Were the new companies related to her hubby's firm? transnatl?
4. She was able to bring a lot of new energy jobs to the state by opening up the leases for oil. how many, and are those jobs sitll there?
5. She was able to get money to the citizens of alaska to help with their heating bills in the form of royalty checks. Was this federal $ she took?
Idiot.
Read the damn book. her husband was a line worker, not an executive. The most he made was like 40k a year and is a blue collar worker, not a office dweller.
Yes, people were fired.
The royalties came from the prifts of the oil extracted from the ground.
She spent 25% of the book on these issues.
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interesting stuff. Do you believe she knows more about energy than anyone else in the USA?
Mccain made that claim and she just stood there and grinned, and did not deny it.
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interesting stuff. Do you believe she knows more about energy than anyone else in the USA?
Mccain made that claim and she just stood there and grinned, and did not deny it.
In elected office in DC right now? Probably.
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LIKE PAT BUCANNAN SAID "THE DUMBING DOWN OF THE REBUBLICAN PARTY"
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LIKE PAT BUCANNAN SAID "THE DUMBING DOWN OF THE REBUBLICAN PARTY"
He is one of her biggest supporters. Idiot.
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I KNOW YOU COME ON HERE AND TRY TO ACT SMART BUT LETS FACE IT YOUR FUCKING DUMB. I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT PALIN ITS HOW YOU NUTJOBS ARE TAKING HER SERIOUS :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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interesting stuff. Do you believe she knows more about energy than anyone else in the USA?
Mccain made that claim and she just stood there and grinned, and did not deny it.
She certainly knows more about it then Al Gore does.The entire democrat party thinks hes a fucking expert.
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She certainly knows more about it then Al Gore does.The entire democrat party thinks hes a fucking expert.
Billy:
I just finished the book. The lies that idiots still spread are incredible. They would rather perpetuate lies and untruths than spend a few hours reading about the truth about her and what she did.
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"She knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America," McCain said.
No, he didn't say "in congress". He said in the USA
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"She knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America," McCain said.
No, he didn't say "in congress". He said in the USA
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FDR went onTelevsion in 1941
Stand up Chuck
Indians in 7/11
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PALIN: She says her team overseeing the development of a natural gas pipeline set up an open, competitive bidding process that allowed any company to compete for the right to build a 1,715-mile pipeline to bring natural gas from Alaska to the Lower 48.
THE FACTS: Palin characterized the pipeline deal the same way before an AP investigation found her team crafted terms that favored only a few independent pipeline companies and ultimately benefited a company with ties to her administration, TransCanada Corp. Despite promises and legal guidance not to talk directly with potential bidders during the process, Palin had meetings or phone calls with nearly every major candidate, including TransCanada.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_palin_book_fact_check
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PALIN: She says her team overseeing the development of a natural gas pipeline set up an open, competitive bidding process that allowed any company to compete for the right to build a 1,715-mile pipeline to bring natural gas from Alaska to the Lower 48.
THE FACTS: Palin characterized the pipeline deal the same way before an AP investigation found her team crafted terms that favored only a few independent pipeline companies and ultimately benefited a company with ties to her administration, TransCanada Corp. Despite promises and legal guidance not to talk directly with potential bidders during the process, Palin had meetings or phone calls with nearly every major candidate, including TransCanada.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_palin_book_fact_check
And?
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And?
self explanatory
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self explanatory
Did she break the law? Were ethic charges filed? Were lawsuits filed on this? They filed charges against her for the stupid jacket she wore. Surely if this were as egregious as you want to make it sound they would have done something no?
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so you defend mccain's lie with - um - obama and biden suck too?
hahaha come on man, i feel like i'm talking to a middle schooler here! either tell us mccain was wrong, or claim he was correct.
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so you defend mccain's lie with - um - obama and biden suck too?
hahaha come on man, i feel like i'm talking to a middle schooler here! either tell us mccain was wrong, or claim he was correct.
It was a stupid remark and no different than all of the other crap said that you were utterly silent on.
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Did she break the law? Were ethic charges filed? Were lawsuits filed on this? They filed charges against her for the stupid jacket she wore. Surely if this were as egregious as you want to make it sound they would have done something no?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/25/politics/main4545574.shtml
(AP) Gov. Sarah Palin's signature accomplishment - a contract to build a 1,715-mile pipeline to bring natural gas from Alaska to the Lower 48 - emerged from a flawed bidding process that narrowed the field to a company with ties to her administration, an Associated Press investigation shows.
Beginning at the Republican National Convention in August, the McCain-Palin ticket has touted the pipeline as an example of how it would help America achieve energy independence.
Despite Palin's boast of a smart and fair bidding process, the AP found that her team crafted terms that favored only a few independent pipeline companies and ultimately benefited the winner, TransCanada Corp.
And contrary to the ballyhoo, there's no guarantee the pipeline will ever be built; at a minimum, any project is years away, as TransCanada must first overcome major financial and regulatory hurdles.
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And?
How many companies could even fulfill the contract?
Did you even read what the heck you posted? It said the hurdles are regulatory in nature.
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How about patraeus and someone who isn't a fcking drama queen quitter?
seriously, stop settling for mediocrity and look in the GOP for a candidate with an advanced law or economics degree, 10 years of stable govt running, and a crystal clean personal history.
this jerry springer shit is embarassing. have some fvcking standards for your party. you're obviously smitten with miss palin. Buy her calendar. But putting her in charge of the free world because she is spunky and cute? Gimme a break. "settling" didn't work in 08. Don't do it in 2012, please!!!
Oh yes...
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thune & a military man. I like that idea, seriously.
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And?
How many companies could even fulfill the contract?
Did you even read what the heck you posted? It said the hurdles are regulatory in nature.
I read all the articles I post.
The article said:
TransCanada must first overcome major financial and regulatory hurdles
So Palins big accomplishment was to game the bidding process so that a crony could win the contract and THE COMPANY is now dealing with both FINANCIAL AND REGULATORY challenges