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Title: NEW POLL - Choose either Bush or Obama - no 'other'.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 10, 2009, 02:31:14 PM
National polling is 50% Barack Obama to 44% George W Bush   :o


Mods, can you set up such a poll here for getbiggers?  Which man would you rather have running the ship in 2009?
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Skip8282 on December 10, 2009, 03:50:47 PM
At this point, I'm wishing there was a financial whiz who could get us out of our current situation.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 10, 2009, 03:52:05 PM
At this point, I'm wishing there was a financial whiz who could get us out of our current situation.

There is no one person who can help us now. 

It really started with Clinton with Glass Steagal. 

Bush compounded the problem but now Obama has just put rocket boosters on the debt and mess.   
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 10, 2009, 04:19:18 PM
Romney/Ron paul *might* have gotten us out of this mess.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: SAMSON123 on December 10, 2009, 07:17:33 PM
With the only choices being Bush or Obama I can liken this to the choice of being boiled in oil or burned at the stake. In short this is NO CHOICE AT ALL!!!! I think you guys in america would do better with no president at all. It will give you time to sort things out and discover what direction YOU want to go in as opposed to someone else making decisions that at best will make matters even worst.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Kazan on December 10, 2009, 07:30:36 PM
I would make a better POTUS than either of those assclowns, atleast I know what it takes to earn a living, pay your bills, and live within your means.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Tito24 on December 10, 2009, 08:04:04 PM
It's like choosing between a turd sammich as opposed to a giant douche.
(http://supersmallgallery.com/London/douche_turd520.jpg)


I would take Obama as opposed to George if i Lived in the Unites States of America. However, i don''t care said Pierre i'm from lyon France... :o
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 10, 2009, 08:21:50 PM
I think most of us are going to prefer none of the above. 

i'd prefer to see a poll where the user HAD to choose between 1 of these 2 presidents to face what we are facing today.

which is the lesser of 2 evils?  that's the Q.  it's easy to say they both suck.  Choosing 1 of them is the most telling.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Tito24 on December 10, 2009, 08:28:16 PM
I think most of us are going to prefer none of the above. 

i'd prefer to see a poll where the user HAD to choose between 1 of these 2 presidents to face what we are facing today.

which is the lesser of 2 evils?  that's the Q.  it's easy to say they both suck.  Choosing 1 of them is the most telling.

At least Obama doesn't always say, "my faith in Jesus Christ will pull us through this".  that was very annoying. 

Obama is at least intelligent, he just needs to grow some F*ning balls.  Tries to please to many, and in the end he pleases no one.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: tonymctones on December 10, 2009, 09:35:56 PM
Romney/Ron paul *might* have gotten us out of this mess.
I really dont know if anyone could have gotten us out of this mess...I think it was more about damage control, obama has generally created more damage though so  :-\
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: tonymctones on December 10, 2009, 09:38:16 PM
At least Obama doesn't always say, "my faith in Jesus Christ will pull us through this".  that was very annoying. 

Obama is at least intelligent, he just needs to grow some F*ning balls.  Tries to please to many, and in the end he pleases no one.

right he just hangs out with racists and makes idiotic statements in regards to racial incidents all the time... ::)

nothing about the luny liberal agenda that obama has proposed would have helped if it had been passed the way he envisioned it.

wise the fuck up and put the kool aid down hoss...

he wouldnt be pleasing anybody but the uber liberals if he carried out his agenda and once they ran out of everyone elses money they would probably be pissed too.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Skip8282 on December 11, 2009, 09:13:51 AM
I was thinking along the lines of a Ross Perot, but somebody who hasn't buried themselves with a "you people" comment.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on December 11, 2009, 09:19:07 AM
Who the fuck didn't vote "other"???

WTF?  ??? >:(
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 11, 2009, 09:26:59 AM
Who the fuck didn't vote "other"???

WTF?  ??? >:(

Go watch that video with Shciff debating the idiot from Columbia.

Bush = Obama

Other is the choice.   
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on December 11, 2009, 09:28:27 AM
Other is the choice.   

Yep, other is the only right choice.  It would take a moron to vote for Bush/Obama when "other" is an option.

 ::)
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Straw Man on December 11, 2009, 10:00:55 AM
this poll is pointless

Obama ain't going anywhere for the next 3 years so why play silly "what if" games

the same goes for all these polls showing "X" is neck in neck with Obama in some poll

who cares

don't we all have better things to do with our time?
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 11, 2009, 10:02:23 AM
this poll is pointless

Obama ain't going anywhere for the next 3 years so why play silly "what if" games

the same goes for all these polls showing "X" is neck in neck with Obama in some poll

who cares

don't we all have better things to do with our time?

I heard the BIRTHER trial is moving forward in January.  Maybe he wont last 3 years Straw.   ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Straw Man on December 11, 2009, 10:36:59 AM
I heard the BIRTHER trial is moving forward in January.  Maybe he wont last 3 years Straw.   ;D  ;D  ;D

you're still a birther?

Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 11, 2009, 10:43:15 AM
you're still a birther?



At this point, although there are questions that remain unanswered, i am far more concerned about other issues. 

Did you read the thread I posted about the new Rolling Stone article?

Taibii wrote the most exhaustive piece yet as to how Obama is screwing us. 
   
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 11, 2009, 10:52:00 AM
you're still a birther?



Straw - check this out. 

http://taibbi.rssoundingboard.com/matt-taibbi-on-obamas-economy#

Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: OzmO on December 11, 2009, 11:33:33 AM
Based on the current results of the poll, there's quite alot of dissatisfaction of our last 2 presidents.

Still more Obama supporters than Bush.   33333, you need to step up your efforts  ;)
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 11, 2009, 11:35:21 AM
Based on the current results of the poll, there's quite alot of dissatisfaction of our last 2 presidents.

Still more Obama supporters than Bush.   33333, you need to step up your efforts  ;)

I voted "Other"
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: OzmO on December 11, 2009, 11:36:56 AM
I voted "Other"

I figured you'd vote other.  But there are still people who support our savior.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 11, 2009, 11:37:55 AM
I figured you'd vote other.  But there are still people who support our savior.

Palin was not on the list when I looked. 

BOOOMMMM!!!!!!   ;D  ;D   ;D  ;D   ;D

 :-*   :-*  :-*   :-*  :-*  :-*
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: OzmO on December 11, 2009, 11:41:17 AM
Palin was not on the list when I looked. 

BOOOMMMM!!!!!!   ;D  ;D   ;D  ;D   ;D

 :-*   :-*  :-*   :-*  :-*  :-*

Dang i almost put her there!
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 11, 2009, 11:41:48 AM
Dang i almost put her there!

Ha ha.  Its friday.

I have to joke around a bit.   
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 11, 2009, 11:42:54 AM
come on mods, fix the poll.  no "other" choice.  make people pick.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 11, 2009, 11:45:39 AM
come on mods, fix the poll.  no "other" choice.  make people pick.

Are we adding my girl? 
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: OzmO on December 11, 2009, 11:49:13 AM
come on mods, fix the poll.  no "other" choice.  make people pick.

ok I'll Make seperate poll
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 11, 2009, 11:49:43 AM
ok I'll Make seperate poll

Are we doing a "re-vote?"
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 11, 2009, 11:54:10 AM
no no no lol... just BUSH, or OBAMA.  You have to pick ONE OF THEM.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 11, 2009, 11:54:47 AM
it should be just like the original poll.  Obama, GWBush, or undecided.  That's it. :)
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 11, 2009, 11:55:31 AM
no no no lol... just BUSH, or OBAMA.  You have to pick ONE OF THEM.

240 - Whats not to love? 

Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: OzmO on December 11, 2009, 11:57:00 AM
it should be just like the original poll.  Obama, GWBush, or undecided.  That's it. :)

Undecided is just like picking other
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Butterbean on December 11, 2009, 11:58:21 AM
no no no lol... just BUSH, or OBAMA.  You have to pick ONE OF THEM.

Anyone who starts a thread can make a poll now.

Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 11, 2009, 12:06:55 PM
then no undecided. :)

Bush, obama, or dont vote.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: OzmO on December 11, 2009, 12:07:56 PM
then no undecided. :)

Bush, obama, or dont vote.

I put one up
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Hedgehog on December 11, 2009, 12:13:08 PM
How can you start a poll about Obama OR Bush - and then include a THIRD option?

You have to be real fcuking dense to do that ???
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: OzmO on December 11, 2009, 12:15:48 PM
How can you start a poll about Obama OR Bush - and then include a THIRD option?

You have to be real fcuking dense to do that ???

When I was putting the poll together I concluded I'd want neither of them, so i put the option there, in a brief flash of denseness  ;D  This poll shows a general dislike for the last 2 presidents.  If you feel you want an "either or" poll, then there's one for that too on another thread.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Tito24 on December 11, 2009, 03:24:48 PM
Palin was not on the list when I looked. 

BOOOMMMM!!!!!!   ;D  ;D   ;D  ;D   ;D

 :-*   :-*  :-*   :-*  :-*  :-*

The Savior is Bill Clinton...

He was so productive in office, he was getting BJ
's from Monia while talking with Allen greenspan on the telephone to leave rates alone.

He's one of the very few us french think can save America.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: OneBigMan on December 12, 2009, 05:43:32 PM
To answer the question about the poll, hands down I would rather have what the final months of November and December 2008 with "potus" #43 until a January 20th of 2009 when "potus" #44 obviously began his term. The differences between this next December of 2009 to the final month of 2008 during the previous December before Christmas during the countdown to 1/20/09 is so distinct and defining that I would describe this next year 2009 from each seasonal shift as distinctly a short-lived next year that makes the words "leap year" come to me in a different way from what a leap year is called.   
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on December 12, 2009, 06:12:10 PM
bush

answering other is a copout
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Straw Man on December 12, 2009, 07:25:36 PM
I figured you'd vote other.  But there are still people who support our savior.

Palin?
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: OzmO on December 12, 2009, 07:58:51 PM
Palin?

Yeah, meant to write "your" instead of "our"   lol
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Tito24 on December 12, 2009, 08:23:07 PM
Obama

Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 12, 2009, 08:28:24 PM
Obama


If I have to choose, it's Obama.  If there's an out option, I'm taking the out option at this point.  I hit other on this poll and voted Obama on Ozmo's poll.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: chaos on December 12, 2009, 08:36:04 PM
President is a figurehead, no real power, whatever ideas he has are only passed depending on how popular he is with the $$$$ ;)
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: OzmO on December 12, 2009, 08:42:55 PM
President is a figurehead, no real power, whatever ideas he has are only passed depending on how popular he is with the $$$$ ;)

What happen to your avatar?   :(
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Tito24 on December 12, 2009, 10:34:32 PM
If I have to choose, it's Obama.  If there's an out option, I'm taking the out option at this point.  I hit other on this poll and voted Obama on Ozmo's poll.

I think ozmo was the one who helped organize the big robbery down in Miami-Dade county with the voting machine..Where Gore lost the election.


"Big_Marcos_Chamakh"
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: OzmO on December 12, 2009, 11:42:13 PM
I think ozmo was the one who helped organize the big robbery down in Miami-Dade county with the voting machine..Where Gore lost the election.


"Big_Marcos_Chamakh"

I'm part of a conspiracy. 
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: jimijimi on December 13, 2009, 07:34:43 AM
There is no one person who can help us now. 

It really started with Clinton with Glass Steagal. 

Bush compounded the problem but now Obama has just put rocket boosters on the debt and mess.   

333386 at least you know what your saying, it started long before Bush and i would say you can even throw Barney Frank in there as the problem with the housing sitution
Romney would have been a better choice than someone like Obama who has no experiance
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Skip8282 on December 13, 2009, 08:33:59 AM
I'm part of a conspiracy. 

The eyeball in your avatar gave it away.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: chaos on December 13, 2009, 09:52:42 AM
What happen to your avatar?   :(
Refresh.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: OzmO on December 13, 2009, 10:27:22 AM
Refresh.

Ahh better now.   :)
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: OneBigMan on December 13, 2009, 05:51:54 PM
bush

answering other is a copout

Remember December 2008 and why that meant a great deal in a number of good news bad news conversation so I would rather be so many holidays away from the set 1/20/09 date with Obama waiting to become p.o.t.u.s. #44.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: chaos on December 13, 2009, 06:08:48 PM
A vast majority voting for "other", I'm wondering who those people voted for at the polls?
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 13, 2009, 06:31:01 PM
we now know that the VAST majority of getbiggers would have chosen 'other'.

So I changed it - removing that option - please vote again - which one of these 2 men would get your vote to face what we're facing in 2009?
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: chaos on December 13, 2009, 06:45:14 PM
we now know that the VAST majority of getbiggers would have chosen 'other'.

So I changed it - removing that option - please vote again - which one of these 2 men would get your vote to face what we're facing in 2009?
Neither guy got my vote, I'm tired of people whining about politics but voting the same way they always have.

Title: Re: NEW POLL - Choose either Bush or Obama - no 'other'.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 13, 2009, 06:56:09 PM
"Neither guy got my vote, I'm tired of people whining about politics but voting the same way they always have."

But if you're standing in the booth, and you have to hold your nose and choose one those names (if only the one who will do the LEAST amount of damage over the next 4 years)...

who would get your vote?
Title: Re: NEW POLL - Choose either Bush or Obama - no 'other'.
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 13, 2009, 07:06:36 PM
I don't think there is anything wrong with the other option that was there.  I didn't really see the point in Hedge's flipout over that and the starting of a new poll.  Nobody is actually forced to vote so why make a poll like that?  The other option just shows the number of people that would have not voted or voted for a third party. It was interesting and says something, the number of people that looked at Obama vs. Bush and said fuck that I'm going other.  Now neither poll shows that.
Title: Re: NEW POLL - Choose either Bush or Obama - no 'other'.
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 13, 2009, 07:06:58 PM
"Neither guy got my vote, I'm tired of people whining about politics but voting the same way they always have."

But if you're standing in the booth, and you have to hold your nose and choose one those names (if only the one who will do the LEAST amount of damage over the next 4 years)...

who would get your vote?

The issue is also the congress.  Pelosi and Reid enbale the chaos of Obama.  
Title: Re: NEW POLL - Choose either Bush or Obama - no 'other'.
Post by: chaos on December 13, 2009, 07:32:52 PM
"Neither guy got my vote, I'm tired of people whining about politics but voting the same way they always have."

But if you're standing in the booth, and you have to hold your nose and choose one those names (if only the one who will do the LEAST amount of damage over the next 4 years)...

who would get your vote?
I'd rather not vote.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Parker on December 13, 2009, 10:54:13 PM
There is no one person who can help us now. 

It really started with Clinton with Glass Steagal. 

Bush compounded the problem but now Obama has just put rocket boosters on the debt and mess.   

No, it originally started with the American people. First and foremost. In order to fix this mess, we need to step back, and basically rebuild---cut the fat so to speak. Acknowledge the fact that we as a whole effed up. And ho we effed up, then never again do it. Sure there were policies, but we didn't decry those policies, we never let our voices be heard. People care more about Obama birth cert. than millions protesting in washington what the financial institutions did or the war. Hell, there were more Latinos protest the Imigration reforms than average citizens protesting what our government policies have done. There is no real discussion of what we done to ourselves. Fat, Lazy, Lack of Gumption, Always the Victim, Never Taking Responsibility, AMERICANS. Until we realize what we'v become, then we will continue to fall. We can blame every president back to Washington if you want, it still doesn't change where we are.
Title: Re: Poll:"Would you rather have Obama or Bush RIGHT NOW?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 14, 2009, 04:57:16 AM
No, it originally started with the American people. First and foremost. In order to fix this mess, we need to step back, and basically rebuild---cut the fat so to speak. Acknowledge the fact that we as a whole effed up. And ho we effed up, then never again do it. Sure there were policies, but we didn't decry those policies, we never let our voices be heard. People care more about Obama birth cert. than millions protesting in washington what the financial institutions did or the war. Hell, there were more Latinos protest the Imigration reforms than average citizens protesting what our government policies have done. There is no real discussion of what we done to ourselves. Fat, Lazy, Lack of Gumption, Always the Victim, Never Taking Responsibility, AMERICANS. Until we realize what we'v become, then we will continue to fall. We can blame every president back to Washington if you want, it still doesn't change where we are.

Do yourself a huge favor and go watch "The Warning" on PBS.org. 
Title: Re: NEW POLL - Choose either Bush or Obama - no 'other'.
Post by: quadzilla456 on December 14, 2009, 05:20:13 AM
Put me down for "other". Only a moron would think Bush and Obama are different. Same generals, same economic advisors, same elites pulling the strings behind the scenes.

Obama would not have been voted into office had he given his Copenhagen speech on the campaign trail. He basically told everyone war and opression is a fact of life and that we have to get used to it for it would not change in our lifetimes. Any sane person would know that this is a bullshit statement made by the representative of an opressor.

I also like how they are now saying deflation is a bad thing and we need inflation. A couple of months ago they were saying the opposite. Look at the computer and electronics industry. Prices keep falling and the quality of the products keep improving. That's free market principles at work. And people are buying computers and electronics by the millions. And now the government is saying this is a bad thing we need inflation. It is better if prices go up.

WTF?!
Title: Re: NEW POLL - Choose either Bush or Obama - no 'other'.
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 14, 2009, 05:27:48 AM
Put me down for "other". Only a moron would think Bush and Obama are different. Same generals, same economic advisors, same elites pulling the strings behind the scenes.

Obama would not have been voted into office had he given his Copenhagen speech on the campaign trail. He basically told everyone war and opression is a fact of life and that we have to get used to it for it would not change in our lifetimes. Any sane person would know that this is a bullshit statement made by the representative of an opressor.

I also like how they are now saying deflation is a bad thing and we need inflation. A couple of months ago they were saying the opposite. Look at the computer and electronics industry. Prices keep falling and the quality of the products keep improving. That's free market principles at work. And people are buying computers and electronics by the millions. And now the government is saying this is a bad thing we need inflation. It is better if prices go up.

WTF?!

Massive inflation in the only way the govt will be able to pay its debts. 
Title: Re: NEW POLL - Choose either Bush or Obama - no 'other'.
Post by: quadzilla456 on December 14, 2009, 10:54:51 AM
Massive inflation in the only way the govt will be able to pay its debts. 

But in the process those who have savings will lose it. Why not just wipe away the debt?
Title: Re: NEW POLL - Choose either Bush or Obama - no 'other'.
Post by: chaos on December 14, 2009, 08:17:50 PM
But in the process those who have savings will lose it. Why not just wipe away the debt?
Why not just quit giving all of our money to other countrys as "aid" and we won't have to borrow from the chinks.
Title: Re: NEW POLL - Choose either Bush or Obama - no 'other'.
Post by: quadzilla456 on December 15, 2009, 06:59:51 AM
Why not just quit giving all of our money to other countrys as "aid" and we won't have to borrow from the chinks.

That won't be enough. You would have to stop giving your money to corrupt politicians as well. And all the goverment workers (teachers, police, city workers etc.) receiving healthy pensions. Spoke with a cop today that is 47 and almost ready for retirement. He is looking at 100,000s of dollars in retirement funds.

Also all these bankers getting huge bonuses. That is an industry in USA. Where the chinks have REAL industry like making electronics, computers, clothes, building fasteners, tools (milwaukee tools) we have a financial industry built on a ponzi scheme. The money floating around is fake and based on USA consuming chink products.

If you think the US stopped providing "aid" to other countries would stop the debt you are living in a dream world.

Let's continue - stop the wars. It is expensive as hell. $400 for a gallon of gas in Afghanistan!