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maybe one day he will have the honor of fighting buffgodess ;D
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Holy shit!
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as i have said before, marius can be one of the best fighters no the planet if he takes it seriouslly
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A street fight in a boxing ring
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Nice technique.
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Low level fight. I want see him with Lesner.
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as i have said before, marius can be one of the best fighters no the planet if he takes it seriouslly
hahahahahhahahahahah
hahahahahahahahahahah
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that was awful
Mariuz leg kicks look so amateurish, abit like a soccer player shooting a free kick
hes got a lot to learn but knowing the lack of talent in MMA he'll no doubt be heavyweight champ within 4 fights
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A street fight in a boxing ring
Yep, sloppy as shit!
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Graceful fighting style - comedy gold... especially the kicks...
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Graceful fighting style - comedy gold... especially the kicks...
as i have said before, marius can be one of the best fighters on the planet
hahahahahaahhahahaahhaha
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Is that the same orgonization Fedor fights for?
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that was awful
Mariuz leg kicks look so amateurish, abit like a soccer player shooting a free kick
hes got a lot to learn but knowing the lack of talent in MMA he'll no doubt be heavyweight champ within 4 fights
Well, maybe you should just get into the biz and win the world title, killer.
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Another candidate for anger management.
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I imagine theres a bit of power behind his moves
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Holy shit that guy is fast as fuck for 300 pds. :o Wouldn't mess with that guy on the streets.
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Well, maybe you should just get into the biz and win the world title, killer.
No shit. This board is a hoot.
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Pretty quick but he moves around really clunky. Looked like the ref was almost trying to hit an arm bar lol
Huge mother fucker... hopefully he continues to train hard and works on his form. Should be interesting.
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The other guy looked like he was running for his life after Marius kicked him. The dude went from 0 to 100 in the blink of an eye.
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hahahahahaahhahahaahhaha
what do you know about fighting? have you ever been in a fight? what do you know about how functional strength effects athletic capability and thus fighting capability?
answer to all three are no.
marius is the worlds strongest man several times over. and that strength transfers over to fighting, since it is real world strength, functional strength. the guy walks around carrying weights triple his opponents, he pulls shit that weighs 5 -7 times their weigh, he tosses around and fucks around with all sorts of different objects that weigh much more than any person he'll have to fight. if it comes down to it, mariuz could just get a hold of the guy and toss him. not much to do against that type of power.
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what do you know about fighting? have you ever been in a fight? what do you know about how functional strength effects athletic capability and thus fighting capability?
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that was awful
Mariuz leg kicks look so amateurish, abit like a soccer player shooting a free kick
hes got a lot to learn but knowing the lack of talent in MMA he'll no doubt be heavyweight champ within 4 fights
That's how they kick in Kyokushin. They don't drag the leg as they do in Muay Thai.
Mariusz did fine. He beat the guy very quickly. No need to use pretty technique when aggression is effective.
Had he used more "technique", the fight probably would have lasted longer.
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A street fight in a boxing ring
it got results...its like when people blame food that tastes amazing for its lack of presentation.... :-\
yall maybe want him to kick like vandamme? ::)
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Fight would have lasted longer if he used it as a showcase for his 'technique'.
Is that effective fighting?
Only the most highly skilled fighters that have trained all their lives (Machida, Gracie, et al) can use technique effectively.
For the rest, it's best to use pressure and aggression.
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Why did the referee have to place Marius in an armbar to get him to stop fighting?
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Why did the referee have to place Marius in an armbar to get him to stop fighting?
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Roidrage. ;)
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it got results...its like when people blame food that tastes amazing for its lack of presentation.... :-\
yall maybe want him to kick like vandamme? ::)
People are so used to "movie" moves, pretty spin kicks, et cetera. ::)
I agree the guy needs polishing, but c'mon, he can only get better.
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People are so used to "movie" moves, pretty spin kicks, et cetera. ::)
I agree the guy needs polishing, but c'mon, he can only get better.
i have a few friends that do mui tai....it dosen't 'look' pretty but i've been kicked once before (in the thigh) and it FUCKING HURT
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Shotokan at the higher levels is the same way.
Very direct.
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mariuz is sloppy
... Muay Thai FTW! :D
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Its his first fight so he's still probably rough around the edges. Once he gets a few more fights under his belt we'll see what potential he has.
Its too early in the game to praise/rag the guy.
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Holy shit that guy is fast as fuck for 300 pds. :o Wouldn't mess with that guy on the streets.
WOW im freakin impressed big time this guy will beat damm near everyone maybe sumone real good at submissions may beat him on a fluke..but he is the new champ now!!!! imo
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WOW im freakin impressed big time this guy will beat damm near everyone maybe sumone real good at submissions may beat him on a fluke..but he is the new champ now!!!! imo
Someone with good footwork and clean striking will pick him apart.
A world class wrestler would put him on his back, keep him there and ground and pound him.
A world class submission expert would soften him up with GNP, then sub him.
He is a sideshow, nothing else.
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Why did the referee have to place Marius in an armbar to get him to stop fighting?
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Referee is a schmoe and took his chance to wrestle with Marius.
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Someone with good footwork and clean striking will pick him apart.
A world class wrestler would put him on his back, keep him there and ground and pound him.
A world class submission expert would soften him up with GNP, then sub him.
He is a sideshow, nothing else.
That's what they said about Lesnar.
We'll find out soon enough if pudz continues to compete
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i take it they don't drug test..
Marius will tear a muscle, , when you have big muscles held on by smaller ropes making explosive movements it's just a matter of time before theres a snap
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Someone with good footwork and clean striking will pick him apart.
A world class wrestler would put him on his back, keep him there and ground and pound him.
A world class submission expert would soften him up with GNP, then sub him.
He is a sideshow, nothing else.
dream on
hes to strong for every current fighter out there in 2009 so much more explosive than i expected a guy that big
watch out how easily he kicks a 220lb guy trough the ring
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Low level fight. I want see him with Lesner.
Lesnar is on his death bed, hole in the inestine or some shit.
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I was wondering what's happening with Lesnar. Since that initial thread on here a couple of weeks ago i've heard nothing more.
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Fedor would take him out quickly
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brutal "retard" kicks.
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Fight would have lasted longer if he used it as a showcase for his 'technique'.
Is that effective fighting?
Only the most highly skilled fighters that have trained all their lives (Machida, Gracie, et al) can use technique effectively.
For the rest, it's best to use pressure and aggression.
Spoken for truth.
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what do you know about fighting? have you ever been in a fight? what do you know about how functional strength effects athletic capability and thus fighting capability?
answer to all three are no.
ive been in several fights and ive trained fighting so yes, I know what Im talking about.
you should limit yourself to talking about drugs, which is all you know.
leave this discussion up for people with a clue. Like myself. Not you.
now run along cokeboy.
"best in the world" after that showing hahahahahahaha
you're the Only one on this planet that doesnt think that is fucking ludacris hahahahahaha
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That's what they said about Lesnar.
We'll find out soon enough if pudz continues to compete
Dont compare him to lesnar for fuck sake.
thats beyond dumb.
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Dont compare him to lesnar for fuck sake.
thats beyond dumb.
How do you think Kimbo would do against Pudzia?
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How do you think Kimbo would do against Pudzia?
Kimbo would outbox him with ease if he just wheathered (spell) the first storm
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dream on
hes to strong for every current fighter out there in 2009 so much more explosive than i expected a guy that big
watch out how easily he kicks a 220lb guy trough the ring
- and mariuz takes it very serious , he will improve his tecnique al lot in the next month
I love these relics from the UFC 1 that still think BJJ without anything else is so dominant over everyone--strikers, big guys, etc.
Even if as Bulldog said, it would require world class strikers and world class wrestlers to beat him--what does that say for strength?
That's basically and admittance that, despite having an (assumed) limited skill set, a very strong guy can potentially beat everyone except those considered "world-class", and establish himself very quickly. I've always said strength is AT LEAST equal to skill as a factor in fighting, and it's true.
Again, look at Rogers--he's a very powerful guy that just broke out of Fedor's grapple attempts without any real technique. He gave Fedor more trouble than anyone, and it's due to his power--nothing more.
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dream on
hes to strong for every current fighter out there in 2009 so much more explosive than i expected a guy that big
watch out how easily he kicks a 220lb guy trough the ring
- and mariuz takes it very serious , he will improve his tecnique al lot in the next month
Too old, too many injuries to learn and become world class.
Lesnar is a Division I National Champion wrestling. His skillset in this area of fighting is elite level. Pudz isn't world class in any skilled areas of fighting.
Size and strength do play a role, hence weight classes. But a guy with strength, no skill has little or no chance against someone of comparable size and technique. All someone has to do is whether the initial storm, wait for Pudz to tire, then attack. He couldn't win the sumo portion of WSM, so his wrestling is limited, I doubt with the size of his legs, he'd be dangerous off his back. You need hip flexibility for that. And his striking is severly limited. A sideshow, and a draw.
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Someone with good footwork and clean striking will pick him apart.
A world class wrestler would put him on his back, keep him there and ground and pound him.
A world class submission expert would soften him up with GNP, then sub him.
He is a sideshow, nothing else.
i disagree but we will see and what a great show he will be ...i think he is so super strong he will overwhelm all..he has good fighting skills . i fail to see how u dont see that. i assume u were a wrestler or fighter of sum type by how u have analysed his technique
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those low kicks reminded me of streetfighter the video game, cheap moves are very effective in combat games
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all of the complaints about him will be meaningless if he keeps winning.
some of you talk as though he lost the fight.
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Someone with good footwork and clean striking will pick him apart.
A world class wrestler would put him on his back, keep him there and ground and pound him.
A world class submission expert would soften him up with GNP, then sub him.
He is a sideshow, nothing else.
ROFL. ;D
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respect to the ref for taking on mariusz! I would fuggin think 14 times before attempting to contain him.
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ROFL. ;D
Haha somebody call Karelin and get him back in the ring. Then maybe. ;D ;D ;D
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all of the complaints about him will be meaningless if he keeps winning.
some of you talk as though he lost the fight.
QFT
Yes it looked amateurish but the guy is so brutally heavy and strong that it gonna take something special to stop him. I remember people were saying the same thing about Brock Lesnar the first time he fought MMA.
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i disagree but we will see and what a great show he will be ...i think he is so super strong he will overwhelm all..he has good fighting skills . i fail to see how u dont see that. i assume u were a wrestler or fighter of sum type by how u have analysed his technique
Jouka Ahola tried his hand in MMA, he was the world's stongest man in 1997, 1999. Although it isn't listed on any websites, I SAW HIM LOSE HIS debut at Superbrawl, against Josh Barnett by armbar in the first. His strength wained after an intitial burst, Barnett got the takedown and armbarred him. Juha Tuhkasaari is listed on Barnett's record, and Ahola's second fight, against a bodybuilder is also listed under Tuhkasaari, so it is verifiable.
As far as fighting skills, what did you see that you thought was good. His kicks could have been avoided by a good striker with footwork, and he would have surely gassed. Did you see his open workout, guy was breathing heavy hitting mits. "I fail to see how you can't see that." Is he big, strong, and athletic, yes. Will he be an effective fighter against someone skilled, NO.
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Jouka Ahola tried his hand in MMA, he was the world's stongest man in 1997, 1999. Although it isn't listed on any websites, I SAW HIM LOSE HIS debut at Superbrawl, against Josh Barnett by armbar in the first. His strength wained after an intitial burst, Barnett got the takedown and armbarred him. Juha Tuhkasaari is listed on Barnett's record, and Ahola's second fight, against a bodybuilder is also listed under Tuhkasaari, so it is verifiable.
As far as fighting skills, what did you see that you thought was good. His kicks could have been avoided by a good striker with footwork, and he would have surely gassed. Did you see his open workout, guy was breathing heavy hitting mits. "I fail to see how you can't see that." Is he big, strong, and athletic, yes. Will he be an effective fighter against someone skilled, NO.
I can see your point and it'll be good to see him get tested by a very skilled fighter, but Jouko Ahola was ever nowhere near as strong or big as Mariusz is and Mariusz has boxing experience to add to his record. It's early days though so we'll have to wait and see.
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LOL at the posts in this thread.
Marius looked like a noob mongo.
He cant beat any real profighter.
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all of the complaints about him will be meaningless if he keeps winning.
some of you talk as though he lost the fight.
he didnt loose no, but he cant survive against decent fighters if he doesn't get better then that..
and its SO FUCKING LUDACRIS for cokeboy to come in here saying that he can be the best in the world lol after watching that fight.
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short people asuch as yourself,,need to learn anger managment ou got your butt kicked in school too lnog for being short now your taking it out on folks on th enet claming to be the teacher of all,,, ::)
ive been in several fights and ive trained fighting so yes, I know what Im talking about.
you should limit yourself to talking about drugs, which is all you know.
leave this discussion up for people with a clue. Like myself. Not you.
now run along cokeboy.
"best in the world" after that showing hahahahahahaha
you're the Only one on this planet that doesnt think that is fucking ludacris hahahahahaha
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short people asuch as yourself,,need to learn anger managment ou got your butt kicked in school too lnog for being short now your taking it out on folks on th enet claming to be the teacher of all,,, ::)
you really need to try harder or at least think a lil bit before you try to insult someone lol.
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Jeezzz those low kicks were crazy lol ...looks like we found a replacement for Brock
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Why did the referee have to place Marius in an armbar to get him to stop fighting?
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I was thinking the same thing. Sure, Marius kicked that guy's ass but the ref submitted Marius quite easily. So the ref's got my vote as upcoming MMA superstar. Let's put Marius against Fedor and see what happens. I've got my own opinion about this of course.
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Jouka Ahola tried his hand in MMA, he was the world's stongest man in 1997, 1999. Although it isn't listed on any websites, I SAW HIM LOSE HIS debut at Superbrawl, against Josh Barnett by armbar in the first. His strength wained after an intitial burst, Barnett got the takedown and armbarred him. Juha Tuhkasaari is listed on Barnett's record, and Ahola's second fight, against a bodybuilder is also listed under Tuhkasaari, so it is verifiable.
As far as fighting skills, what did you see that you thought was good. His kicks could have been avoided by a good striker with footwork, and he would have surely gassed. Did you see his open workout, guy was breathing heavy hitting mits. "I fail to see how you can't see that." Is he big, strong, and athletic, yes. Will he be an effective fighter against someone skilled, NO.
ahola was nowhere near the athlete this guy is what i saw was good punches,he squared up good he was super quick and agile plus incrediably aggressive which all that is very big parts of a great fighter...plus really he hardly got a chance to show how really good i think he is cause he destroyed him so fast its not like he was fightin sum guy off the street he was fightin a guy who looks like most everyone else who fights give or take sum bodyfat. i mean when i guy with size speed n strength like this comes at anyone he is goin to be a very formidable opponant..he will not be as u say a "side show" like ive said i dont see what u saw that showed no skills??? how do u know if he will get gassed the strongest man stuff builds incredible stamina its not like hes just a powerlifter that shit is sooo hardin to itself...i think ur in for an eye opener if u realy believe what u say and r just not tryin to get the pot stirrin.
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Let's see how Pudz does against a more experienced pro fighter then we can talk. Personally i think he can do well. His power is hard to denie and he can move fast for a big guy and is an agressive fighter.
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A street fight in a boxing ring
And what you exactly expect to see in a MMA fight? Guys with tutu's dancing ballet as gracefully as Nijinsky? And further more, all of you wankers seem to be overlooking the fact that this was his first fight ever, he hasn't any record at all, so he was first time in the ring. How can you expect that he looks top pro and he has all the moves and skills in his first fight? Wait and see, he will improve his fighting skills and it would be a while before you see him lost. Mariuz will be a good show even if he never would be best in the sport, he is a great guy and he has a right temper for the MMA. You shouldn't compare him to Jouko Ahola, who also is a great guy and strong as hell, but he hasn't what fighter need the most, which is a urge to win at any cost. He is too kind man, he is like a lazy pussycat. Mariuz has a need to conquer this sport and he will try his best, and I don't know about you guys, but I want to see what is the outcome from that. He will seriously beat some guys and kick ass like no one ever, but it doesn't mean that he will ever be the best. He has his limitations but I want to see him in same ring with guys like Bob Sapp, because I know it will be lot of fun. I bet that Bob leave the ring crying with some broken bones sticking out from his ass...
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ahola was nowhere near the athlete this guy is what i saw was good punches,he squared up good he was super quick and agile plus incrediably aggressive which all that is very big parts of a great fighter...plus really he hardly got a chance to show how really good i think he is cause he destroyed him so fast its not like he was fightin sum guy off the street he was fightin a guy who looks like most everyone else who fights give or take sum bodyfat. i mean when i guy with size speed n strength like this comes at anyone he is goin to be a very formidable opponant..he will not be as u say a "side show" like ive said i dont see what u saw that showed no skills??? how do u know if he will get gassed the strongest man stuff builds incredible stamina its not like hes just a powerlifter that shit is sooo hardin to itself...i think ur in for an eye opener if u realy believe what u say and r just not tryin to get the pot stirrin.
Not dismissing Marius athleticism, he is an athlete, and is EASILY the strongest fighter in MMA, BUT, his striking left much to be desired. The tomatoe can should have circled, made him miss and counter. He didn't. When you have someone like Overeem in front of you, the size and strength advantage will quickly go away. When someone like Shane Carwin, shoots a double, single, does an ankle pick, Marius will be on his back, eating a plethora of hammer fists and elbows. As quick as you are to say I should refrain from passing judgement, so should the cognescenti who are anointing him the next big thing.
Lesnar has FREAK athleticism, and is uber quick and fast, not only strong. Not to mention he has extrememly heavy hips, and knows how to displace his weight when playing from the top position (most wrestlers do). He is also been a good learner from Rodrigo Medeiros and Erik Paulson, Greg Nelson. Marius isn't at the top of his game in any of the fighting ranges, he is just a freakishly strong athletic guy who COULD develop into a middle of the road journeyman (he is starting way tooo old, and his strongman injuries will be excaberated with more training time). I like him, unlike Brock. (I gotta give credit where credit is due) Watch the fight with Barnett, he was (Josh) a fat doughy kid who takes him out in the first round within two minutes (Ahola). Size and strength do play a role, but aren't the be all end all.
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i expect someone to die at marius' hands.
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Dan Duchaine who posts on my message board could give Mariusz a good hiding.
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FUCK YES THIS RULES
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FUCK YES THIS RULES
That right there is one.. FILTHY.. room.....
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Man he just used brute strength in the end there. Awsome
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Nobody who saw his open workout (boxing training) on youtube would claim that he had any prior boxing experience. That is a bullshit claim that is totally refuted by watching that video.
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Yes, he sure didn't use any hip in his punches from the training clip.
Just straight and very stiff punches from the shoulders.
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He's just holding back for the camera...
...btw, why is his head purple...
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two man with limited skills..... the (much) stronger man won in 44 secs....
nevertheless, i give him credit
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what do you know about fighting? have you ever been in a fight? what do you know about how functional strength effects athletic capability and thus fighting capability?
answer to all three are no.
marius is the worlds strongest man several times over. and that strength transfers over to fighting, since it is real world strength, functional strength. the guy walks around carrying weights triple his opponents, he pulls shit that weighs 5 -7 times their weigh, he tosses around and fucks around with all sorts of different objects that weigh much more than any person he'll have to fight. if it comes down to it, mariuz could just get a hold of the guy and toss him. not much to do against that type of power.
this is true.
him vs lessnar would be a fight i would pay to watch 8)
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sometimes I forget this is getbig and actually try to have a serious discussion lol.
some people are just so dumb its ludacris, alot less then on other forums though.
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cant wait until he fights someone decent and gets his ass handed to him, so I can prove everyone wrong .....Again.
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sometimes I forget this is getbig and actually try to have a serious discussion lol.
some people are just so dumb its ludacris, alot less then on other forums though.
candy makes a good point swede. we're not talking about a big bodybuilder here who would run out of steam within the first 30 secs. we are talking about a guy that throws around insane weights and keeps going. farmers walk, deadlifting vans etc is not for girls !
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cant wait until he fights someone decent and gets his ass handed to him, so I can prove everyone wrong .....Again.
Even Bruce Lee would be intimidated because of his size... and his blood pressure...
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candy makes a good point swede. we're not talking about a big bodybuilder here who would run out of steam within the first 30 secs. we are talking about a guy that throws around insane weights and keeps going. farmers walk, deadlifting vans etc is not for girls !
Look at his sparring video though, he gasses within 2 min... and thats pure boxing no wrestling..
sure the dude is massive and strong, and due to that, he will run over alot of people, but if they can survive the first min , I think marious is Done, IF he doesn't change his strategy..
put him against shane carwin or someone like that that is about the same size and can box and you will see what I mean.
He might become good though, but to say NOW that he CAN become the best in the world, words cannot describe how retarded that is..
he doesn't seem to know how to box, no teqnucue in kicks, hands down by the waist when he kicks (a high kick would KO him) he has No wrestling skills at all, (brock doesn't have sub skills but he can keep and take ANYONE down because of his wrestling background) marious has none of that, sure he could lay on someone, but a wrestler would just stand right back up.
so if a big dude like mir takes him down, hes getting submitted within the first min...
Sure he can power out of submission the first 30 sec maby, but judging by his sparring video, then he will gass, and be unable to just power out and then get submitted.
I have a feeling they will put him against a few cans though to build the hype.
hopefully next time he shows a bit better teqnicue and I give him his props.
No doubt he hit him hard on the ground, but he needs to get better and focus on getting better if he wants to become good.
Strenght only takes you so far.
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Look at his sparring video though, he gasses within 2 min... and thats pure boxing no wrestling..
sure the dude is massive and strong, and due to that, he will run over alot of people, but if they can survive the first min , I think marious is Done, IF he doesn't change his strategy..
put him against shane carwin or someone like that that is about the same size and can box and you will see what I mean.
He might become good though, but to say NOW that he CAN become the best in the world, words cannot describe how retarded that is..
he doesn't seem to know how to box, no teqnucue in kicks, hands down by the waist when he kicks (a high kick would KO him) he has No wrestling skills at all, (brock doesn't have sub skills but he can keep and take ANYONE down because of his wrestling background) marious has none of that, sure he could lay on someone, but a wrestler would just stand right back up.
so if a big dude like mir takes him down, hes getting submitted within the first min...
Sure he can power out of submission the first 30 sec maby, but judging by his sparring video, then he will gass, and be unable to just power out and then get submitted.
I have a feeling they will put him against a few cans though to build the hype.
hopefully next time he shows a bit better teqnicue and I give him his props.
No doubt he hit him hard on the ground, but he needs to get better and focus on getting better if he wants to become good.
Strenght only takes you so far.
people said the same about lesnar - that mir would dominate him etc
with so much strength i don't think he needs great technique, just enough.
its like saying any big guy could beat a gorilla in a fight because the gorilla has no technique.
when the gorilla rips your arms off - what good is technique. ;D
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people said the same about lesnar - that mir would dominate him etc
with so much strength i don't think he needs great technique, just enough.
its like saying any big guy could beat a gorilla in a fight because the gorilla has no technique.
when the gorilla rips your arms off - what good is technique. ;D
people said the same think about lesnar because they were RETARDED and didn't think about his AMAZING wrestling skill, And with that comes GOOD cardio, Lesnar could go for 5 rounds.
Marious cant wrestle and cant go for one round at a good pace, starting to understand my point?
And wrestler are notorious hard hitters due their low center of "gravity".
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Lesnar always have amazing wrestling skills Combined with insane strenght to fall back on...
marious Only has strenght to fall back on, and against Good fighters that isn't enough.
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people said the same think about lesnar because they were RETARDED and didn't think about his AMAZING wrestling skill, And with that comes GOOD cardio, Lesnar could go for 5 rounds.
Marious cant wrestle and cant go for one round at a good pace, starting to understand my point?
And wrestler are notorious hard hitters due their low center of "gravity".
i do however, again we are not talking about bodybuilders.
marius has strong bones, strong tendons, strong dense muscles, strong heart. he has great cardio - think not ? try walking 100yards while lifting 100lbs, let alone the 550lbs he walks with.
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i do however, again we are not talking about bodybuilders.
marius has strong bones, strong tendons, strong dense muscles, strong heart. he has great cardio - think not ? try walking 100yards while lifting 100lbs, let alone the 550lbs he walks with.
have you ever tried to wrestle? you think you have good cardio until you try, if he gets winded from throwing a few punches on mits, hes gonna have a heartattack on the ground lol :)
no doubt he has some tools, but hes gotta work HARD to improve alot from that fight hehe :)
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have you ever tried to wrestle? you think you have good cardio until you try, if he gets winded from throwing a few punches on mits, hes gonna have a heartattack on the ground lol :)
no doubt he has some tools, but hes gotta work HARD to improve alot from that fight hehe :)
i agree he needs work, but his strength will get him by.
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Pudzi would be a fcuking beast if he went to the UFC.
Always been known for stamina in strongman events.
So he should have the ability to train that part of the game.
And I want to see a BJJ expert try to lock anything on Pudzi.
He's no Houston Alexander, because Alexander wasn't 50% stronger than his opponents. Which probably Pudzi are in many excersises.
His military shoulder press is around 400 lbs raw. Which is on another level from most of his opponents.
I think he'll do better than what many expects.
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Pudzi would be a fcuking beast if he went to the UFC.
Always been known for stamina in strongman events.
So he should have the ability to train that part of the game.
And I want to see a BJJ expert try to lock anything on Pudzi.
He's no Houston Alexander, because Alexander wasn't 50% stronger than his opponents. Which probably Pudzi are in many excersises.
His military shoulder press is around 400 lbs raw. Which is on another level from most of his opponents.
I think he'll do better than what many expects.
If Pudz fought in the UFC, he would prolly weigh closer to 265. Athletic commisions test, and no way he can stay on with a test looming. A good heavyweight BJJ guy would take him down, take the top and punch him until the ref stops it. A submission would be incidental if Pudz gave up an arm. I think he could be a big draw in Japan, where they don't test. I'd love to see him fight Overeem, Barnett, Mark Hunt, Fujita, Gilbert Yvel, Badr Hari.
The reason he looked winded is he wasn't breathing, and all that mass carries an oxygen debt, faster to gas when exterting oneself at sub maximal levels.
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LOL @ all you haters, for his first major fight he did better then Lesnar :) he actually won :)
and ROFL @ all you fighting experts out there (swede, americanbulldog, etc.) where are the videos on youtube of your fights tough guys ??
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what do you know about fighting? have you ever been in a fight? what do you know about how functional strength effects athletic capability and thus fighting capability?
answer to all three are no.
marius is the worlds strongest man several times over. and that strength transfers over to fighting, since it is real world strength, functional strength. the guy walks around carrying weights triple his opponents, he pulls shit that weighs 5 -7 times their weigh, he tosses around and fucks around with all sorts of different objects that weigh much more than any person he'll have to fight. if it comes down to it, mariuz could just get a hold of the guy and toss him. not much to do against that type of power.
hahahahaha
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LOL at all the fight experts here cutting up his form. Pudz comes from a Kyokushin background and thats exactly how they kick, his form is perfect.
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I love these relics from the UFC 1 that still think BJJ without anything else is so dominant over everyone--strikers, big guys, etc.
Even if as Bulldog said, it would require world class strikers and world class wrestlers to beat him--what does that say for strength?
That's basically and admittance that, despite having an (assumed) limited skill set, a very strong guy can potentially beat everyone except those considered "world-class", and establish himself very quickly. I've always said strength is AT LEAST equal to skill as a factor in fighting, and it's true.
Again, look at Rogers--he's a very powerful guy that just broke out of Fedor's grapple attempts without any real technique. He gave Fedor more trouble than anyone, and it's due to his power--nothing more.
Strength is equale to speed but endurance and skill are paramount in a fight. If what you said was true Bob Sapp would be the HW Champ. Strength is important in a fight for sure though.
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even if i had a sword and chain mail in the ring marious would still take my life.
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anyone know if he is gonna fight in the ufc???? thats what i wanna see not the japan thing....i dont think there is a big time real good test in the ufc i really dont!!! i think he gets by n looks the same just lighter cause he will train specifically for fightin..he will be more ripped n alittle trimmer but will appear bigger cause of the ripped effect..again anyone heard what he does next i may have missed it if sumone already posted it thanks
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Strength is equale to speed but endurance and skill are paramount in a fight. If what you said was true Bob Sapp would be the HW Champ. Strength is important in a fight for sure though.
It's a combination of all factors, but let's face it, Bob Sapp had NO fighting experience when he started fighting in Japan, he was just a big jacked dude, and at the same time that size and strength helped him win all the fights he won, because he sure didn't win them on skill... my point being if he didn't have his size or strength his record wouldn't be 10-6-1 (yes, that's 10 wins)
hell that's a better record then a lot of ufc guys.
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Look at his sparring video though, he gasses within 2 min... and thats pure boxing no wrestling..
sure the dude is massive and strong, and due to that, he will run over alot of people, but if they can survive the first min , I think marious is Done, IF he doesn't change his strategy..
put him against shane carwin or someone like that that is about the same size and can box and you will see what I mean.
He might become good though, but to say NOW that he CAN become the best in the world, words cannot describe how retarded that is..
he doesn't seem to know how to box, no teqnucue in kicks, hands down by the waist when he kicks (a high kick would KO him) he has No wrestling skills at all, (brock doesn't have sub skills but he can keep and take ANYONE down because of his wrestling background) marious has none of that, sure he could lay on someone, but a wrestler would just stand right back up.
so if a big dude like mir takes him down, hes getting submitted within the first min...
Sure he can power out of submission the first 30 sec maby, but judging by his sparring video, then he will gass, and be unable to just power out and then get submitted.
I have a feeling they will put him against a few cans though to build the hype.
hopefully next time he shows a bit better teqnicue and I give him his props.
No doubt he hit him hard on the ground, but he needs to get better and focus on getting better if he wants to become good.
Strenght only takes you so far.
Come on Swede you're judging him based on one video where he gasses in two minutes, during a sparring session none the less? There are vids of him on sherdog training and his cardio is great and he was complimented on it. You know you have a very weak argument when your basing your opinion on a sparring video. Guess what, every fighter gasses in sparring, even sherk and Fedor. Of course he wont beat a top ten fighter any time soon but with his athletisism and martial arts background he certainly does have potential to be good. Oh and I am a professional fighter and won the 2006 Canadian submission grappling championships so I have some fight knowledge behind my opinion.
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Swede just can't get over his man crush Cock Chestnar being out of commission...
come into the light Swede, don't be afraid..
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It's a combination of all factors, but let's face it, Bob Sapp had NO fighting experience when he started fighting in Japan, he was just a big jacked dude, and at the same time that size and strength helped him win all the fights he won, because he sure didn't win them on skill... my point being if he didn't have his size or strength his record wouldn't be 10-6-1 (yes, that's 10 wins)
hell that's a better record then a lot of ufc guys.
I certainly agree man, Size and strength can win you fights with not much else. Nog was the number one HW and Sapp gave him hell. Nog goes about 240 lbs and Sapp made him look like a child.
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I certainly agree man, Size and strength can win you fights with not much else. Nog was the number one HW and Sapp gave him hell. Nog goes about 240 lbs and Sapp made him look like a child.
Hence the reason for weight classes, just look at how much trouble someone like Penn had with GSP, who's only 20 lbs. bigger then him.
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Come on Swede you're judging him based on one video where he gasses in two minutes, during a sparring session none the less? There are vids of him on sherdog training and his cardio is great and he was complimented on it. You know you have a very weak argument when your basing your opinion on a sparring video. Guess what, every fighter gasses in sparring, even sherk and Fedor. Of course he wont beat a top ten fighter any time soon but with his athletisism and martial arts background he certainly does have potential to be good. Oh and I am a professional fighter and won the 2006 Canadian submission grappling championships so I have some fight knowledge behind my opinion.
You are correct. Who knows if he did any heavy bag before that video or an hour of cardio or jump ropes or whatever. This video might have been taken 2 hours into his workout. He is very athletic for a person of his size and strength.I'd love to see him get really good and be a contender in the heavyweight.
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LOL @ all you haters, for his first major fight he did better then Lesnar :) he actually won :)
and ROFL @ all you fighting experts out there (swede, americanbulldog, etc.) where are the videos on youtube of your fights tough guys ??
Okay, mr 15 years of muay thai. ::)
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It's a combination of all factors, but let's face it, Bob Sapp had NO fighting experience when he started fighting in Japan, he was just a big jacked dude, and at the same time that size and strength helped him win all the fights he won, because he sure didn't win them on skill... my point being if he didn't have his size or strength his record wouldn't be 10-6-1 (yes, that's 10 wins)
hell that's a better record then a lot of ufc guys.
Bob Sapp also beat the (then) best kickboxer/standup fighter in the world--Ernesto Hoost.
Not once, but twice.
He did it on size alone--unless you consider NFL a fighting style.
Mass and strength is at least equal to skill and speed as a factor in fighting.
At a certain point, no amount of skill is going to overcome an incredible difference in strength if it's "anything goes".
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I don't know James, I don't think you can quantify, yet, what role strength has.
Strength may be the latest craze in MMA but I don't think it'll be possible to blitz your way in with pure size / strength, soon. I think the guys with the technique are very quickly realising that they need to be stronger to compete. Mir is already much larger, and going further (according to post fight).
Also, In the early UFC there was a powerlifter who was beaten resoundingly with better technique. Can't recall the names but he had no clue and his strength wasn't that useful.
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I don't know James, I don't think you can quantify, yet, what role strength has.
Strength may be the latest craze in MMA but I don't think it'll be possible to blitz your way in with pure size / strength, soon. I think the guys with the technique are very quickly realising that they need to be stronger to compete. Mir is already much larger, and going further (according to post fight).
Also, In the early UFC there was a powerlifter who was beaten resoundingly with better technique. Can't recall the names but he had no clue and his strength wasn't that useful.
It seems like the natural progression of things.
Speaking of the older sport of boxing, fighters became stronger and taller. And now, today, they don't look anything like the fighters of Bob Fitzsimmon's era.
I think MMA is entering the same 'arm's race' now. Guys are going to keep getting bigger, until they are both strong and skilled.
One of the reasons I think strength is at least equal in value, is because you and I can both give examples showing either factor triumphing over the other.
And I also believe someone that is 7' and 300+ pounds will triumph over a 110 pound BJJ black belt more often than not.
However, when someone has both factors, they invariably win--this we can agree on.
You have to consider that, even fighters considered small are only small compared to other fighters.
In other words, they aren't big; however, they are 'big enough' to possess the power to KO other fighters.
Royce Gracie was small in relative terms; however, most average men are not 6'1" 175+ pounds, and athletic.
If Royce Gracie competed in the same tournament as 5'9" 150 pounds, he probably wouldn't have been as successful.
He was 'big enough'.
There is a catch-point at which guys can potentially hurt each other with decent probability.
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Okay, mr 15 years of muay thai. ::)
u suggsting that bouncing for 8 years does not account for "martial arts/ fighting " experience ? :D
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u suggsting that bouncing for 8 years does not account for "martian arts/ fighting " experience ? :D
What are these "Martian Arts" you speak of? :D
Sounds more like science fiction to me.
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What are these "Martian Arts" you speak of? :D
Sounds more like science fiction to me.
relax shakespeare ... just a typo
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I have great endurance, I bet I could crush Pudz.
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Okay, mr 15 years of muay thai. ::)
You still haven't answered my question tough guy...where's all those vids of you tapping guys out on youtube ?!?!
come on, after all you **claim** to train and hang out with the top who's who of MMA, you're best friends with the Gracie's, know all the boys @ Chuteboxe, etc. you mean there's not one video or a record of one of your fights on youtube !?!? I'm shocked..
and like I said before, I spent 15 years inbetween 4 different fighting arts, I started doing karate when I was around 14..etc, got into MT/kickboxing when I was in my early 20's... also when I started bouncing...you should really learn how to read.
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Minowaman, all 180 lbs tapped out Bob Sapp at 350 lbs in less than two minutes.
Fedor at 230 beat Zulu in 20 seconds and Zulu is about 6'6' 400 lbs. So I dont think Size and strength is yet equale to skill.
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It seems like the natural progression of things.
Speaking of the older sport of boxing, fighters became stronger and taller. And now, today, they don't look anything like the fighters of Bob Fitzsimmon's era.
I think MMA is entering the same 'arm's race' now. Guys are going to keep getting bigger, until they are both strong and skilled.
One of the reasons I think strength is at least equal in value, is because you and I can both give examples showing either factor triumphing over the other.
And I also believe someone that is 7' and 300+ pounds will triumph over a 110 pound BJJ black belt more often than not.
However, when someone has both factors, they invariably win--this we can agree on.
You have to consider that, even fighters considered small are only small compared to other fighters.
In other words, they aren't big; however, they are 'big enough' to possess the power to KO other fighters.
Royce Gracie was small in relative terms; however, most average men are not 6'1" 175+ pounds, and athletic.
If Royce Gracie competed in the same tournament as 5'9" 150 pounds, he probably wouldn't have been as successful.
He was 'big enough'.
There is a catch-point at which guys can potentially hurt each other with decent probability.
I see what your saying and agree with you that Royce was "big enough" and that at 150 lbs he wouldnt have been able to pull it off.
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LOL @ all you haters, for his first major fight he did better then Lesnar :) he actually won :)
and ROFL @ all you fighting experts out there (swede, americanbulldog, etc.) where are the videos on youtube of your fights tough guys ??
Not his first major fight, it was his first fight ever. I find no boxing ranking, no ranking at any sports but strongman, so he was starting quite low. And he win, just like that. All of those great fighters which you are comparing him right now has one common factor. There will be somebody who is better and in few years we will see if it is Mariuz. Some of you guys are sure that he will be loser and same kind of joke than Bob Sapp. I say you haven't seen anything, but you will see some serious ass kicking done by Mariuz. That kind of strength and agility in frames of 280lb guy is something you guys haven't seen yet in the ring, and when he gets his act together, there will be good fights to see.
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Not his first major fight, it was his first fight ever. I find no boxing ranking, no ranking at any sports but strongman, so he was starting quite low. And he win, just like that. All of those great fighters which you are comparing him right now has one common factor. There will be somebody who is better and in few years we will see if it is Mariuz. Some of you guys are sure that he will be loser and same kind of joke than Bob Sapp. I say you haven't seen anything, but you will see some serious ass kicking done by Mariuz. That kind of strength and agility in frames of 280lb guy is something you guys haven't seen yet in the ring, and when he gets his act together, there will be good fights to see.
It was the same thing with Brock 2 years ago, he was getting laughed at before his first UFC fight, oh, he'll never make it... bla bla bla...now all the Brock nuthuggers can't get enough of him, he's heavyweight UFC champ...but 2 years ago!? oh he's a wwe wrestler, etc.no one gave him a chance..
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Most fighters in the world are afraid of pudzi... I would like to see top fighters on a WSM competiton... they would be crushed... fucking tits!
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It was the same thing with Brock 2 years ago, he was getting laughed at before his first UFC fight, oh, he'll never make it... bla bla bla...now all the Brock nuthuggers can't get enough of him, he's heavyweight UFC champ...but 2 years ago!? oh he's a wwe wrestler, etc.no one gave him a chance..
I did.
and marious is 1/10th of as agile as lesnar is.
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i want to see marius grab an opponent and literally throw them out of the ring like Jackson did in Bloodsport
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I did.
and marious is 1/10th of as agile as lesnar is.
YOu dont know that, your speculating. Lesner is probably more agile but that gap isnt that big. Not nearly as big as Pudz strength advantage.
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Brock had wrestling. As far as I can tell, Mariusz had a couple of games of soccer from time to time. I don't think you can draw the same parallels.
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I see what your saying and agree with you that Royce was "big enough" and that at 150 lbs he wouldnt have been able to pull it off.
Yeah, it's a catch-weight.
And that would be a flabby 150 if we're talking real average man physique.
Like I said, we can both pull examples showing strength triumphing over skill and vice-versa.
Now imagine if there were never any weight classes in fight sports. All the fighters in existence would be around 175+.
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Maruisz = very dangerous man :o
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Swede just can't get over his man crush Cock Chestnar being out of commission...
haha
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cant wait until he fights someone decent and gets his ass handed to him, so I can prove everyone wrong .....Again.
when did u prove EVERYONE wronge b4??? just curious
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How good was the opponent he beat?
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How good was the opponent he beat?
easily a top ten HW, arguably a top 5 HW
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easily a top ten HW, arguably a top 5 HW
Then I wouldn't count Pudz out of anything yet.