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another thread made me think about how often people on here eat?
how many of you guys are following the old bodybuilding myth about having to eat 6 times per day? (every third hour)
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If I were a cook I would eat the whole day. Now it is 5-6 times
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i could not get all those calories in in less than 5-6 meals a day
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i could not get all those calories in in less than 5-6 meals a day
holy moly how much are you eating?
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holy moly how much are you eating?
i'm kinda sick of food at the moment... i eat clean, carbs and proteins so around 3500-4000cals on most days. remember it's clean calories...
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i'm kinda sick of food at the moment... i eat clean, carbs and proteins so around 3500-4000cals on most days. remember it's clean calories...
wash the food with soap? no wonder you're sick of it ;D
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wash the food with soap? no wonder you're sick of it ;D
yes ;D
haha not so tasty, the ketchup use is strong
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Every 3 hs
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Max. 3 times, but I always have a big breakfast... bread, eggs, müsli, ...
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Once a week.
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another thread made me think about how often people on here eat?
how many of you guys are following the old bodybuilding myth about having to eat 6 times per day? (every third hour)
i'm on the seefood diet. eat all the food you see.
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i'm on the seefood diet. eat all the food you see.
Yeah I've never heard that one before.
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Yeah I've never heard that one before.
hahahahah ;D
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Yeah I've never heard that one before.
oh no have i been owned, outed or am i in meltdown , somehow i can never really tell. thanks anyway though i appreciate the effort.
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hahahahah ;D
you think that's funny look at my current pic. i'm known as the original perma-bulker.
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you think that's funny look at my current pic. i'm known as the original perma-bulker.
just one more mint
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4 times a day, using the tinytit-diet.
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every 2-3 hours, around 6 meals a day
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My plan for the day:
Eat. Post 120 times on getbig. Repeat until sleep.
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My plan for the day:
Eat. Post 120 times on getbig. Repeat until sleep.
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almost 40.000 posts!!!!!! :o
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;D
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I don't stop...
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another thread made me think about how often people on here eat?
how many of you guys are following the old bodybuilding myth about having to eat 6 times per day? (every third hour)
i eat 2-3 main meals only every day.. between them i may drink milk, herbal teas, eat fruits ... etc
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just one more mint
good job i wonder how many of the genius's on here actually got the joke.
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Is it only me that think the old myth, eat every 2-3 houer is just bullshiet! Do u drive to the petrol station to twice a day just to fill up 1/5 of your gas tank?
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Is it only me that think the old myth, eat every 2-3 houer is just bullshiet! Do u drive to the petrol station to twice a day just to fill up 1/5 of your gas tank?
Stupid comparrison , if you used your car more of course it would need more fueling , if not running it doesnt need fuel.
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it's still a myth, there is really no scientific evidence that eating more frequently benefits body composition
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it's still a myth, there is really no scientific evidence that eating more frequently benefits body composition
It works for me .
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it's still a myth, there is really no scientific evidence that eating more frequently benefits body composition
Wrong , it heightens metabolism "if" correct foods are taken in throughout the day and coupled with an intense exercise routine.
Its a accepted fact that 6 or more smaller meals spread throughout the day are better than 3 large meals or in some cases 2 large feasts.
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Wrong , it heightens metabolism "if" correct foods are taken in throughout the day and coupled with an intense exercise routine.
Its a accepted fact that 6 or more smaller meals spread throughout the day are better than 3 large meals or in some cases 2 large feasts.
How can it be accepted fact when every scientific study proves the exact opposite?
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Wrong , it heightens metabolism "if" correct foods are taken in throughout the day and coupled with an intense exercise routine.
Its a accepted fact that 6 or more smaller meals spread throughout the day are better than 3 large meals or in some cases 2 large feasts.
Donnie Thompson changed from 6+ meals a day to 2 Epic feasts in order to gain more weight but he is a powerlifter
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Just some of the studies:
- Bortz WM, et al. Weight loss and frequency of feeding. New England Journal of Medicine, Feb 17, 1966; 274: 376-379.
- Young CM, et al. Metabolic effects of meal frequency on normal young men. Journal of the American Dietetic Association, Oct, 1972; 61: 391-398.
- Sudha Wadhwa P, et al. Metabolic consequences of feeding frequency in man. American
Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Aug, 1973; 26: 823-830.
- Dallosso HM, et al. Feeding frequency and energy balance in adult males. Human Nutrition.
Clinical Nutrition, 1982; 36C: 25-39.
- Verboeket-van de Venne WP, et al. Effect of the pattern of food intake on human energy
metabolism. British Journal of Nutrition, Jul, 1993; 70: 103-115.
- Arnold LM, et al. Effect of isoenergetic intake of three or nine meals on plasma lipoproteins and glucose metabolism. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Mar, 1993; 57: 446-451.
A more recent study even suggests a slight advantage of 1 meal a day on body composition:
- K. Stote, D. Baer, K. Spears, et al. A controlled trial of reduced meal frequency without caloric restriction in healthy, normal-weight, middle-aged adults. Am J Clin Nutr, Apr, 2007; 85: 981-988.
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Small meals and cholesterol
Study shows that frequent meals can lower cholesterol
Is it possible that eating more frequently can lower your cholesterol?
A study published in the British Medical Journal found that people who ate six small meals each day had an average cholesterol level that was five percent lower than those who ate only one or two big meals each day. The study, conducted at the University of Cambridge, found that eating more frequently also lowered levels of artery-clogging LDL cholesterol.
Researchers aren't exactly sure why their cholesterol was lower, but eating throughout the day may put you at a metabolic advantage, keeping energy sustained throughout the day and avoiding large blood sugar fluctuations.
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/heart/prevention/askdietician/ask4_02.aspx
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Eating 3500+ kcal in only 3 meals would give me stomach problems and turn me into a fatass
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Here is a real strength trainers diet:
Breakfast
1. quart whole milk
2. large steak
3. 6 boiled eggs
5 thick pieces buttered toast
6. 4 more glasses milk
7. bowl of soup
8. 2 bowls pudding
Mid-Morning snack
1. 4 quarts whole milk
2. 6 bananas
3. 6 oranges or peaches
4. 6 tins tomatoe juice
Lunch
Fish and chips (or another steak) + all the trimmings
Mid-afternoon Snack
More Milk and fruit
Dinner
Another steak or 2 large tins of spaghetti
Bedtime snack
2 large hamburgers and more milk
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Stupid comparrison , if you used your car more of course it would need more fueling , if not running it doesnt need fuel.
Stupid answer. I don't talk about how much gas u need I'm talking about how much gas u fill it with at the gas station. Same thing when u eat, why stop before u are filled? Load your stomach to the max and then u have energy for 6 houers minimum. Instead of eat small portions every 2-3houer. Let me illustrate that for u :D
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lately:
breakfast
2 beef fajita taco with bean, and cheese
snack
kfc famous bowl
lunch
2, 5 serving cans of chicken
snack
protien shake
dinner
whatever
before bed
casien shake
i had the swin flu and lost 12 pounds, and my appetite....this is the way i will continue to eat until i think i am getting obese ;D
bench
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Here is a real strength trainers diet:
Breakfast
1. quart whole milk
2. large steak
3. 6 boiled eggs
5 thick pieces buttered toast
6. 4 more glasses milk
7. bowl of soup
8. 2 bowls pudding
Mid-Morning snack
1. 4 quarts whole milk
2. 6 bananas
3. 6 oranges or peaches
4. 6 tins tomatoe juice
Lunch
Fish and chips (or another steak) + all the trimmings
Mid-afternoon Snack
More Milk and fruit
Dinner
Another steak or 2 large tins of spaghetti
Bedtime snack
2 large hamburgers and more milk
Sounds goooooooood :P
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How can it be accepted fact when every scientific study proves the exact opposite?
Links? Actualy I wont bother with your links , your "scientific studys" can be twisted to show you can diet on junk food which in the real world is bullshit without a very fast metabolism or with the use of drugs..I could give you just as many links to show you smaller more frequent meals are better , but i wont waste energy as I know its correct and its the best way in the real world
Even the medical dieticians advise smaller more frequent meals ...the simple fact is this type of food set up works in the real world,in prehistoric days when you didnt have access to food as in you ate when a "kill" came along etc you stored bodyfat in higher amounts , if you eat 1 -2 big meals a day your body stores it as bf and slows the metabolism down to meet energy expenditure requirements for its daily tasks.
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Wrong , it heightens metabolism "if" correct foods are taken in throughout the day and coupled with an intense exercise routine.
Its a accepted fact that 6 or more smaller meals spread throughout the day are better than 3 large meals or in some cases 2 large feasts.
not true. many small meals dont stoke metabolism compared to fewer and larger meals. science clearly shows this.
personally i weigh 124kg and eat 3-4 meals per day
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two meals a day essentially made of proteins and slow acting carbs (tuna, chicken,eggs, steak , noodles, rice, potatoes). And i eat junk food inbetween, or fruits (fast acting carbs).
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Eating 3500+ kcal in only 3 meals would give me stomach problems and turn me into a fatass
no...a a too large caloric surplus over a certain time period would turn you into a fat ass
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Links? Actualy I wont bother with your links , your "scientific studys" can be twisted to show you can diet on junk food which in the real world is bullshit without a very fast metabolism or with the use of drugs..I could give you just as many links to show you smaller more frequent meals are better , but i wont waste energy as I know its correct and its the best way in the real world
Even the medical dieticians advise smaller more frequent meals ...the simple fact is this type of food set up works in the real world,in prehistoric days when you didnt have access to food as in you ate when a "kill" came along etc you stored bodyfat in higher amounts , if you eat 1 -2 big meals a day your body stores it as bf and slows the metabolism down to meet energy expenditure requirements for its daily tasks.
Yeah and those prehistoric dudes/dudettes looked like bodybuilders, right ::)
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Links? Actualy I wont bother with your links , your "scientific studys" can be twisted to show you can diet on junk food which in the real world is bullshit without a very fast metabolism or with the use of drugs..I could give you just as many links to show you smaller more frequent meals are better , but i wont waste energy as I know its correct and its the best way in the real world
Even the medical dieticians advise smaller more frequent meals ...the simple fact is this type of food set up works in the real world,in prehistoric days when you didnt have access to food as in you ate when a "kill" came along etc you stored bodyfat in higher amounts , if you eat 1 -2 big meals a day your body stores it as bf and slows the metabolism down to meet energy expenditure requirements for its daily tasks.
If you have links to scientific studies on body composition, I would be interested (I already posted some). The ones I know of all come to the same conclusion. And scientific studies are always real world studies, they just have the advantage of control. Metabolism is somewhat dependent on total caloric intake, but not on meal frequency.
Anybody can easily get ripped on "junk" food in the real world, without the use of any drugs.
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I need to eat every 3 hours. I eat mostly very clean however I also need to eat junk at least once a day or else i have nothing in me to burn and i can't get to sleep.
If i overate maybe i could only eat 2-3 times a day but i would feel like shit from overeating and also put on excess fat. If the body is constantly being fed it has no reason to hold excess fat because it knows it's next meal is coming soon.
Then again i have a very fast metabilism and have been eating 5-6 meals a day, every day, for 14 years. Maybe if i was used to eating just 2-3 i would be stuck on that.
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Links? Actualy I wont bother with your links , your "scientific studys" can be twisted to show you can diet on junk food which in the real world is bullshit without a very fast metabolism or with the use of drugs..I could give you just as many links to show you smaller more frequent meals are better , but i wont waste energy as I know its correct and its the best way in the real world
Even the medical dieticians advise smaller more frequent meals ...the simple fact is this type of food set up works in the real world,in prehistoric days when you didnt have access to food as in you ate when a "kill" came along etc you stored bodyfat in higher amounts , if you eat 1 -2 big meals a day your body stores it as bf and slows the metabolism down to meet energy expenditure requirements for its daily tasks.
thats not correct at all. your not gonna get fatter by eating fewer larger meals compared to more frequent smaller meals if everything else is same.
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Just some of the studies:
- Bortz WM, et al. Weight loss and frequency of feeding. New England Journal of Medicine, Feb 17, 1966; 274: 376-379.
- Young CM, et al. Metabolic effects of meal frequency on normal young men. Journal of the American Dietetic Association, Oct, 1972; 61: 391-398.
- Sudha Wadhwa P, et al. Metabolic consequences of feeding frequency in man. American
Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Aug, 1973; 26: 823-830.
- Dallosso HM, et al. Feeding frequency and energy balance in adult males. Human Nutrition.
Clinical Nutrition, 1982; 36C: 25-39.
- Verboeket-van de Venne WP, et al. Effect of the pattern of food intake on human energy
metabolism. British Journal of Nutrition, Jul, 1993; 70: 103-115.
- Arnold LM, et al. Effect of isoenergetic intake of three or nine meals on plasma lipoproteins and glucose metabolism. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Mar, 1993; 57: 446-451.
A more recent study even suggests a slight advantage of 1 meal a day on body composition:
- K. Stote, D. Baer, K. Spears, et al. A controlled trial of reduced meal frequency without caloric restriction in healthy, normal-weight, middle-aged adults. Am J Clin Nutr, Apr, 2007; 85: 981-988.
LOL I rest my case..considering "most" of those studys are totaly outdated coupled with the fact how many are directed toward people like us here on GB wanting to be in shape with lower bf to higher muscle ratio or improved strentgh and performence , even the average jo wanting to lose a bit of BF and retain muscle would totaly fall over on a rubbish diet like the ones in the above studys.
Again science should be taken as a GUIDE only as it does not transfer over to real worlds results a large percent of the time. ::)
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no...a a too large caloric surplus over a certain time period would turn you into a fat ass
Your stomach wasn't built to digest +1000 kcal at once. You don't need any science for that, just listening to your gastrointestinal tract 'says' enough.
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I need to eat every 3 hours. I eat mostly very clean however I also need to eat junk at least once a day or else i have nothing in me to burn and i can't get to sleep.
If i overate maybe i could only eat 2-3 times a day but i would feel like shit from overeating and also put on excess fat. If the body is constantly being fed it has no reason to hold excess fat because it knows it's next meal is coming soon.
you dont need to eat every 3 hours..you simply have made your body used to it....you could get un-used to it in a few days if you wanted too.
and the clean vs junk food discussion is kinda silly...and i seen no reason to seperate cleans vs junk food as long as you don't go to any extremes.
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Yeah and those prehistoric dudes/dudettes looked like bodybuilders, right ::)
i was using that as an example see my other post above where i state that for someone like most here on GB looking for a lower bf higher muscle ratio or enhanced performence smaller more frequent eating is better than 2 - 3 larger meals a day.
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Your stomach isn't built to digest +1000 kcal at once. You don't need any science for that, just listening to your gastrointestinal tract 'says' enough.
that is also wrong. the body has no problems digesting 1000+ calories AND utilizing the calories.
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not true. many small meals dont stoke metabolism compared to fewer and larger meals. science clearly shows this.
personally i weigh 124kg and eat 3-4 meals per day
How big is your waist? how high is your bf ? do you use PED's?
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you dont need to eat every 3 hours..you simply have made your body used to it....you could get un-used to it in a few days if you wanted too.
and the clean vs junk food discussion is kinda silly...and i seen no reason to seperate cleans vs junk food as long as you don't go to any extremes.
Well if i need a certain amount of calories each day what's better, eating them spread out or eating more at once? Spread out is much better.
Separating clean and junk is better for me, i've tried many different things and if i eat 5 good meals and 1 junk in there when i really start getting hungrey, i soak up the junk meal and keep going. I just digest clean food so fast that after a few meals in a row of clean food i start getting hungrey and eating more clean food in any form (as i have tried many times in order not to have to eat junk) just makes me fatter and bloated.
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LOL I rest my case..considering "most" of those studys are totaly outdated coupled with the fact how many are directed toward people like us here on GB wanting to be in shape with lower bf to higher muscle ratio or improved strentgh and performence , even the average jo wanting to lose a bit of BF and retain muscle would totaly fall over on a rubbish diet like the ones in the above studys.
Again science should be taken as a GUIDE only as it does not transfer over to real worlds results a large percent of the time. ::)
Studies don't get obsolete just because of age. Can you produce more recent studies invalidating the ones I posted?
Transfered into the "real world", anybody can easily get ripped by just reducing calories, eating enough protein, and working out.
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How big is your waist? how high is your bf ? do you use PED's?
don't make into a drug issue as i know many others who eat the way i do and have no problems...who use no drugs
my advice is that you get some basic knowledge about nutrition and human physiology.
big meals dont make you fat. a too large caloric surplus makes you fat.
you dont need to eat every 3 hours because if you eat a meal consisting of for example 50g of protein of meat it will take longer than 3 hours to break it down. there is much more but i cant explain it all here.
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don't make into a drug issue as i know many others who eat the way i do and have no problems...who use no drugs
my advice is that you get some basic knowledge about nutrition and human physiology.
big meals dont make you fat. a too large caloric surplus makes you fat.
you dont need to eat every 3 hours because if you eat a meal consisting of for example 50g of protein of meat it will take longer than 3 hours to break it down. there is much more but i cant explain it all here.
do you have an educational background in nutrition?
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A few good reasons why more frequent meals are better:
1.-Helps to keep blood sugar levels stable.
2.-A couple of huge meals will stretch the stomach......frequent smaller meals will help to keep a smaller waist.
3.-Two to three huge meals sounds great,but digestive overload comes into play and you do not, and will not, assimilate anywhere near as much nutrients and macros as you would by eating more frquent smaller meals.
You can eat as much as you can but assimilation is what counts!!
4.-Helps to keep the metabolic rate higher.
5.-Better for digestion and most importantly assimilation.
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every 4 hours or so. 3-4 meals
for me, it keeps water retention lower than eating every 2 hrs and 5-6 meals. Muscles are harder, gains are the same.
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don't make into a drug issue as i know many others who eat the way i do and have no problems...who use no drugs
my advice is that you get some basic knowledge about nutrition and human physiology.
big meals dont make you fat. a too large caloric surplus makes you fat.
you dont need to eat every 3 hours because if you eat a meal consisting of for example 50g of protein of meat it will take longer than 3 hours to break it down. there is much more but i cant explain it all here.
Sound like we are on the same page in the book!
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Well if i need a certain amount of calories each day what's better, eating them spread out or eating more at once? Spread out is much better.
Separating clean and junk is better for me, i've tried many different things and if i eat 5 good meals and 1 junk in there when i really start getting hungrey, i soak up the junk meal and keep going. I just digest clean food so fast that after a few meals in a row of clean food i start getting hungrey and eating more clean food in any form (as i have tried many times in order not to have to eat junk) just makes me fatter and bloated.
dude...bottom line is the amount of calories you eat...im not saying all calories are equal but you need to update your knowledge. also i dont know how you define junk vs clean food...but eating chicken and rice 6 times per day is misguided and you are just doing things more complicated than they need to bee.
as for spreading out meals you do realize larger meals take a longer time to digest? so its not like you will have an empty stomach because you dont eat every other hour?
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do you have an educational background in nutrition?
no but i read a shitload about it so i know what im talking about..but im not talented enough to explain it all in a few posts. and im not just making this up..there is science to back up everything i say.
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no but i read a shitload about it so i know what im talking about..but im not talented enough to explain it all in a few posts. and im not just making this up..there is science to back up everything i say.
you don't have to convince me obviously
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the body adapts to the way you eat ...and will always automatically -if you have no digestive illness/anomaly of course- get the best/most of it .
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A few good reasons why more frequent meals are better:
1.-Helps to keep blood sugar levels stable.
2.-A couple of huge meals will stretch the stomach......frequent smaller meals will help to keep a smaller waist.
3.-Two to three huge meals sounds great,but digestive overload comes into play and you do not, and will not, assimilate anywhere near as much nutrients and macros as you would by eating more frquent smaller meals.
You can eat as much as you can but assimilation is what counts!!
4.-Helps to keep the metabolic rate higher.
5.-Better for digestion and most importantly assimilation.
that is so wrong that i dont know where to begin...thats like knowledge from the 80s. i dont mean to sound like an ass but you need to upgrade your information bank.
only thing you are abit correct about is point 1...AND it will be a non issue for healthy people.
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dude...bottom line is the amount of calories you eat...im not saying all calories are equal but you need to update your knowledge. also i dont know how you define junk vs clean food...but eating chicken and rice 6 times per day is misguided and you are just doing things more complicated than they need to bee.
as for spreading out meals you do realize larger meals take a longer time to digest? so its not like you will have an empty stomach because you dont eat every other hour?
Actually i eat a wide variety of foods, including vegtables in most meals except the last+junk meal.
Larger meals do take longer to digest, i can't see the benefit of having all that food in your stomach at once.
The reasons were posted above for smaller meals, all i can say is if you find larger meals work for you, go for it. If you are training hard and eating 4 meals consistently every day you probably won't be holding much fat.
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All math = take more calories you gain, less you lose. The frequency is up for argument
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just one more mint
A wafer, Monsieur.
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The frequency is up for argument
not really when it comes to body composition
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every 2-3 hours, around 6 meals a day
same here...
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don't make into a drug issue as i know many others who eat the way i do and have no problems...who use no drugs
my advice is that you get some basic knowledge about nutrition and human physiology.
big meals dont make you fat. a too large caloric surplus makes you fat.
you dont need to eat every 3 hours because if you eat a meal consisting of for example 50g of protein of meat it will take longer than 3 hours to break it down. there is much more but i cant explain it all here.
No , you are using yourself as an example so if you are using PED's it changes the whole equation.
How big is your waist and what is your bf% if you are fat then yes you are taking in to many calories it doesnt matter if its 3 or 6 meals , but I bet if you lowered those 3 meals a day to get leaner you would get better results through feeding every few hours.
Knowledge huh? Im currently in study in both those feilds you mention to learn more , so far for athletic performence or people wanting to get "in shape" the smaller more frequent meals is recomended. Its a worldwide certification meaning I can use it anywhere in the world.
For BB purposes do you really think 2-3 large meals a day is better than smaller more frequent?
for a start you will need 1.5- 2.2 of protein per pd of bodyweight, for someone that is over 250pd like you thats over 500grms of protein a day , in 3 meals? maybe more ???
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A few good reasons why more frequent meals are better:
1.-Helps to keep blood sugar levels stable.
2.-A couple of huge meals will stretch the stomach......frequent smaller meals will help to keep a smaller waist.
3.-Two to three huge meals sounds great,but digestive overload comes into play and you do not, and will not, assimilate anywhere near as much nutrients and macros as you would by eating more frquent smaller meals.
You can eat as much as you can but assimilation is what counts!!
4.-Helps to keep the metabolic rate higher.
5.-Better for digestion and most importantly assimilation.
Brutal example of someone that just read and listen to anything he see in magazines or newspaper. (no homo) ;D
Example 1. How can a stretched stomach give u a bigger waist. Its just like a balloon that stretch when u fill it and go back when its empty.
Exampel 2. Blood sugar levels are just bullshit. Fill your stomach to 100% with one meal and u will have energy at least for 6 houers. When u start feeling the hunger again just eat. No more sciences than that needed.
If media would start to write that one big meal per day is the best thing, people would soon go out and tell each other, this new thing feel much better bla bla.....people are so stupid. God made it that way, otherwise there would be chaos in the world if everybody was a leader and not a follower. :P
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Actually i eat a wide variety of foods, including vegtables in most meals except the last+junk meal.
Larger meals do take longer to digest, i can't see the benefit of having all that food in your stomach at once.
The reasons were posted above for smaller meals, all i can say is if you find larger meals work for you, go for it. If you are training hard and eating 4 meals consistently every day you probably won't be holding much fat.
ok man i give up...i see i cant convince you. ;)
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My post comes from personal experience as far as my bodys response goes........been eating 5-6 meals or more per day for decades,not just reading about it or looking at studies where no bodybuilders are even involved.
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My post comes from personal experience as far as my bodys response goes........been eating 5-6 meals or more per day for decades,not just reading about it or looking at studies where no bodybuilders are even involved.
Have you ever tried 2-3 meals, keeping all other variables the same?
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the body adapts to the way you eat ...and will always automatically get the best/most of it -if you have no digestive illness/anomaly of course-.
QFT.
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Usually 3 food and 2 shake meals.
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Exampel 2. Blood sugar levels are just bullshit. Fill your stomach to 100% with one meal and u will have energy at least for 6 houers. When u start feeling the hunger again just eat. No more sciences than that needed.
Wrong , huge insulin spikes are no good for BF % or performence , they make you tired and listliss.
As a diabetic I take in smaller more frequent meals to keep BG stable and the advisors to this "beleive" everyone should follow this protocol of eatting for correct BG control.
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No , you are using yourself as an example so if you are using PED's it changes the whole equation.
How big is your waist and what is your bf% if you are fat then yes you are taking in to many calories it doesnt matter if its 3 or 6 meals , but I bet if you lowered those 3 meals a day to get leaner you would get better results through feeding every few hours.
Knowledge huh? Im currently in study in both those feilds you mention to learn more , so far for athletic performence or people wanting to get "in shape" the smaller more frequent meals is recomended. Its a worldwide certification meaning I can use it anywhere in the world.
For BB purposes do you really think 2-3 large meals a day is better than smaller more frequent?
for a start you will need 1.5- 2.2 of protein per pd of bodyweight, for someone that is over 250pd like you thats over 500grms of protein a day , in 3 meals? maybe more ???
i give up...and why are you using extreme examples?
you talk about knowledge (the certification you mention) yet you refuse to look at the the science that clearly proves what im saying.
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My post comes from personal experience as far as my bodys response goes........been eating 5-6 meals or more per day for decades,not just reading about it or looking at studies where no bodybuilders are even involved.
thats anecdotes and like i explained in a training thread anecdotes dont let you seperate factors from each other. so you can be doing a+b+c+d and get result Z...but you cant tell which factor is doing what.
there is nothing wrong with eating 5-6 times per day..if its suits you and your life..but its not better than eating 3 meals per day when it comes to body composition. makes no difference. but i suspect nothing i say will convince you wes.
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Wrong , huge insulin spikes are no good for BF % or performence , they make you tired and listliss.
As a diabetic I take in smaller more frequent meals to keep BG stable and the advisors to this "beleive" everyone should follow this protocol of eatting for correct BG control.
Now Will has a point here, diabetic's need more regular frequent meals to stabilize blood sugar...but not sure on people without diabetes..
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nolotil you should post more often here
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Wrong , huge insulin spikes are no good for BF % or performence , they make you tired and listliss.
As a diabetic I take in smaller more frequent meals to keep BG stable and the advisors to this "beleive" everyone should follow this protocol of eatting for correct BG control.
insulin is a much more complicated hormone than you understand. also you cant compare diabetics to healthy people. come on man
if you are healthy blood sugar should be no problem at all..a healthy person will have very stabile blood sugar levels.
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Wave,yes I have but I always felt bloated.
When I was much younger and had a fast metabolism,I would eat 3 large meals in an effort to gain weight.
It worked,but again,being a smaller person,I felt stuffed all the time.
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nolotil,you seem like a good guy but you`re probably right,you won`t convince me!! LOL :)
Hey,if it ain`t broke,don`t fix it is my motto.
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i give up...and why are you using extreme examples?
you talk about knowledge (the certification you mention) yet you refuse to look at the the science that clearly proves what im saying.
Answer the questions and refute the points I pose in my posts toward you instead of skipping around them.
How can you even entertain the thought that those are "extreme" examples? people wanting to get in shape? , you putting yourself as an example but will not back your example up?
We are on a BB forum , you are here for that I assume? then why not answer those BB based questions instead of "giving up"
You say you read a shitload but book smarts dont better real world experience , you claim to be 124kg , so are you fat and out of shape and do you use PED's?
I used to eat the way you claim to eat , but changed to the smaller more frequent feedings and everything changed for the better but your science says Im wrong ???
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Wave,yes I have but I always felt bloated.
When I was much younger and had a fast metabolism,I would eat 3 large meals in an effort to gain weight.
It worked,but again,being a smaller person,I felt stuffed all the time.
Interesting, sounds more like a convenience thing though. In my case, I was always hungry when I ate 6 small meals a day. For me it's more convenient to only eat once or twice a day.
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Wave,as I posted earlier,if it ain`t broke why fix it.
Also,wee are all different and must find what we like to do as far as training and eating goes,but more importantly,what works best for us as individuals.
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insulin is a much more complicated hormone than you understand. also you cant compare diabetics to healthy people. come on man
if you are healthy blood sugar should be no problem at all..a healthy person will have very stabile blood sugar levels.
I think you missed my point , for stable BG control smaller more frequent feeding is better than 3 large meals not just in diabetics but in healthy people to..larger feasts cause insulin spikes which cause havoc with energy and also are not favourable for bf composition.Do you think a "healthy" person does not get insulin spikes , come on man :D
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been eating 5-6 meals or more per day for decades,not just reading about it or looking at studies where no bodybuilders are even involved.
QFT
Now all the experts post your pics .
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Wave,as I posted earlier,if it ain`t broke why fix it.
Also,wee are all different and must find what we like to do as far as training and eating goes,but more importantly,what works best for us as individuals.
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I think you missed my point , for stable BG control smaller more frequent feeding is better than 3 large meals not just in diabetics but in healthy people to..larger feasts cause insulin spikes which cause havoc with energy and also are not favourable for bf composition.Do you think a "healthy" person does not get insulin spikes , come on man :D
This would show in scientific studies on body composition then, wouldn't it?
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nolotil you should post more often here
It's up to yourself how often u post on here, nol ehm Wave. ;D
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Well it's different to say do what works best for you (convenience wise), which I agree with, than to make general statements like "more frequent meals increase metabolic rate", which is just not supported by science.
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Answer the questions and refute the points I pose in my posts toward you instead of skipping around them.
How can you even entertain the thought that those are "extreme" examples? people wanting to get in shape? , you putting yourself as an example but will not back your example up?
We are on a BB forum , you are here for that I assume? then why not answer those BB based questions instead of "giving up"
You say you read a shitload but book smarts dont better real world experience , you claim to be 124kg , so are you fat and out of shape and do you use PED's?
I used to eat the way you claim to eat , but changed to the smaller more frequent feedings and everything changed for the better but your science says Im wrong ???
no dont make into a issue about me..im not unique and neither are you. if you actually take the time to read up on the science you would soon realize that what im saying is true. i see no reason to continue this discussion as you will just refute anything that science says but saying its not real world experience.
im not fat and out of shape. i have loads of real world experience and have helped people diet for shows and have used set ups with 2 meals per day up to set ups with 6 meals per day.
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It's up to yourself how often u post on here, nol ehm Wave. ;D
haha ;D
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This would show in scientific studies on body composition then, wouldn't it?
Go look and you will find , like I said you can twist studies all you want , I know what works for me and the hundreds of others Ive seen it work for over the years..
Ive seen people come to the gym over the years and been eatting the way you say but not enhanced there performence or be the way they want to be , all things being equal e.g enough calories but the wrong type of calories they change it around to the smaller more frequent feedings take in the right sort of foods , not the chinese all you can eat for lunch like yourself and get on the right track within weeks , these are real people in the real world but your science says they are doing it wrong even though they failed your way in alot of cases for many years.
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no dont make into a issue about me..im not unique and neither are you. if you actually take the time to read up on the science you would soon realize that what im saying is true. i see no reason to continue this discussion as you will just refute anything that science says but saying its not real world experience.
im not fat and out of shape. i have loads of real world experience and have helped people diet for shows and have used set ups with 2 meals per day up to set ups with 6 meals per day.
You put yourself forward as an example not me ???
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I think you missed my point , for stable BG control smaller more frequent feeding is better than 3 large meals not just in diabetics but in healthy people to..larger feasts cause insulin spikes which cause havoc with energy and also are not favourable for bf composition.Do you think a "healthy" person does not get insulin spikes , come on man :D
blood sugar wont be an issue for healthy people.
as for insulin spikes...so what? more frequent meals with give you more frequent insulin spikes ...it doesnt take much to spike insulin (small meals will spike insulin). yes healthy people do get insulin spikes and they should get insulin spikes. do you know why? like i said insulin is a complex hormone and if your gonna discuss it you should know more about the hormone. insulin is the most misunderstod hormone among bodybuilders.
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Go look and you will find , like I said you can twist studies all you want , I know what works for me and the hundreds of others Ive seen it work for over the years..
I have looked and I couldn't find any.
Ive seen people come to the gym over the years and been eatting the way you say but not enhanced there performence or be the way they want to be , all things being equal e.g enough calories but the wrong type of calories they change it around to the smaller more frequent feedings take in the right sort of foods , not the chinese all you can eat for lunch like yourself and get on the right track within weeks , these are real people in the real world but your science says they are doing it wrong even though they failed your way in alot of cases for many years.
I have helped many people who had great success as soon as they realized that most restrictions of traditional "bodybuilding" diets are irrelevant. Both anecdotal evidence.
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52 years old in this pic.I`m on the right.
Weighed only 157 pounds,ate 4 solid meals plus two shakes per day for 20 weeks
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52 years old in this pic.I`m on the right.
Weighed only 157 pounds,ate 4 solid meals plus two shakes per day for 20 weeks
You are damn ripped there Wes
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Thanks bro.......I`m nothing special,but eating like I do works best in my case.
Fuck studies!! LOL :)
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You are damn ripped there Wes
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Thanks bro.......I`m nothing special,but eating like I do works best in my case.
Fuck studies!! LOL :)
great shape ;)
but it doesnt prove anything else than that a caloric deficit works. 8)
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I`m outta` here!! LOL :)
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My vote goes to Nolvadex, I mean Nolovito!
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great shape ;)
but it doesnt prove anything else than that a caloric deficit drugs works. 8)
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3 meals is fine. 2 meals is pushing it. more than 5 meals is no better than 5. 3-5 meals is the right amount.
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I have helped many people who had great success
Can you provide some evidence, please ?
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Can you provide some evidence, please ?
You can check my sticky thread in the losing fat forum on BB.com. It's full of success stories.
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You can check my sticky thread in the losing fat forum on BB.com. It's full of success stories.
WTF
You post on BB.com...
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WTF
You post on BB.com...
:o
shocked?
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shocked?
7k posts I need to catch up on. I'll be up all night now!!!
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7k posts I need to catch up on. I'll be up all night now!!!
Haha, don't hurt yourself, it's all the same blah blah over and over again ;D
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You can check my sticky thread in the losing fat forum on BB.com. It's full of success stories.
I only found this pics , I would not consider this a great success , to me is just a fat guy who lost weight in a caloric deficit.
Any other story with pics ? thanks.
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I only found this pics , I would not consider this a great success , to me is just a fat guy who lost weight in a caloric deficit.
Any other story with pics ? thanks.
I did not help him. But aside from that, he has had good success this year, he looks alot better already.
As I said, you will find a lot of success stories in the thread.
With "help" I meant that I answer questions in threads and via PM. I only do this in my free time, I don't work in the fitness industry. My point was not to boast but that it's just anecdotal evidence.
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I only found this pics , I would not consider this a great success , to me is just a fat guy who lost weight in a caloric deficit.
Any other story with pics ? thanks.
Was it a boy or girl?
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Was it a boy or girl?
What are you talking about ,Chimp ? I don't get it .
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I'm eating two big meals a day, high protein and making better progress than ever before. It's very convenient.
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What are you talking about ,Chimp ? I don't get it .
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What are you talking about ,Chimp ? I don't get it .
Just commenting on his losing his baby weight.
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3 meals is fine. 2 meals is pushing it. more than 5 meals is no better than 5. 3-5 meals is the right amount.
QFT
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I eat 5-6 meals depending, but 2 or 3 of the "meals" are nothing more than a protein source (whey shake or egg whites). The biggest advantage over 3 meals IMO is it controls hunger. Its far easier to stick to a particular diet when eating this way. If you wait too long to eat, you get hungry and pig out on whatever's available. Everyone's different, and if 2 or 3 meals works for you, great, but if someone new to this asked me the best way to go, I'd tell them 5-6 small meals.
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Just commenting on his losing his baby weight.
Che never had any baby weight? Che haven't posted any pic yet i believe.
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Is it only me that think the old myth, eat every 2-3 houer is just bullshiet! Do u drive to the petrol station to twice a day just to fill up 1/5 of your gas tank?
I think its not necessary aswell, why don't just eat a bigger meal every 4-5 hours, instead of smaller ones every 2-3 hours. I've done this a lot of times before and still do it now, see no difference.
Also to the guys getting "sick" of food by eating 3000-4000 calories a day of lower calorie dense foods just to eat "clean", why don't you just eat higher calorie dense foods so you won't feel sick?
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I think its not necessary aswell, why don't just eat a bigger meal every 4-5 hours, instead of smaller ones every 2-3 hours. I've done this a lot of times before and still do it now, see no difference.
Also to the guys getting "sick" of food by eating 3000-4000 calories a day of lower calorie dense foods just to eat "clean", why don't you just eat higher calorie dense foods so you won't feel sick?
exactly ;)..thats what im saying.and these more caloric dense food wont make you fat..unless you overeat (too large caloric surplus). and often taste better than eating dry chicken all the time.
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Links? Actualy I wont bother with your links , your "scientific studys" can be twisted to show you can diet on junk food which in the real world is bullshit without a very fast metabolism or with the use of drugs..I could give you just as many links to show you smaller more frequent meals are better , but i wont waste energy as I know its correct and its the best way in the real world
Even the medical dieticians advise smaller more frequent meals ...the simple fact is this type of food set up works in the real world,in prehistoric days when you didnt have access to food as in you ate when a "kill" came along etc you stored bodyfat in higher amounts , if you eat 1 -2 big meals a day your body stores it as bf and slows the metabolism down to meet energy expenditure requirements for its daily tasks.
How can your body store more bodyfat if you're eating the same calories throughout the day as in 6 meals?
In my opinion meal frequency is a matter of convinience more than anything, agree with wavelength.
Slows the metabolism down? Why would it? The only way the metabolism can slow down in my experience is by sustained extremely low calorie diets.
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nolotil you should post more often here
I agree
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exactly ;)..thats what im saying.and these more caloric dense food wont make you fat..unless you overeat (too large caloric surplus). and often taste better than eating dry chicken all the time.
I agree 100% with you.
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no but i read a shitload about it so i know what im talking about..but im not talented enough to explain it all in a few posts. and im not just making this up..there is science to back up everything i say.
Hi nolotil, you would also be happy to know that NASSER agrees with you. I asked him on this subject about a year and a half ago and he told me to eat 3-4 large meals a day and some snacks in between.
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Oh oh..........it`s gonna` turn into another Nasser thread!!
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nolotil and wave are correct, the science cannot be denied.
Also when we are talking about frequency the only thing to really consider is protein as each type of protein has different responces in the body, i.e slow digesting vs fast digesting, to most optimally effect protein synthesis and breakdown etc
there have been recent discussion/studies that have called into question the frequency of protein digestion due to protein oxidation i.e. layne nortons
carbs/fats are energy substrates - calories are all that matter here. frequency does not matter.
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Oh oh..........it`s gonna` turn into another Nasser thread!!
Only if you want it to ;)