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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Migs on December 17, 2009, 06:35:19 PM
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Thinking about doing sust only cycle. 500mgs per week, in two shots. Will do it for 12 weeks. Should anything else be added. Looking to add some stremght and muscle but not over do it. Just want quality and be able to last through workouts etc longer.
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your blood levels won't be to stable doing It in 2 shots per week...read the profile on sust and research esters
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well i can up the shot frequency to 3 or 4 times. I guess i would have to preload the syringes since all i have is the 250 amps. How should i best store this then? Is the 500mg a good amount though?
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500mg is good bro. Shoot .5ml eod and you will be good. It will actually be an average of 437.5mg ew, but will be fine. How many cycles have you run in the past?
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I agree, up the frequency. Even if you run half an amp EOD it'll feel like a lot more than if you pinned infrequently. Sust on paper is supposed to peak differently than in real life. Two shots a week feels almost like nothing after it kicks in!
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.5 a ml eoD like 4thaD said....but 4th why are you saying It would be less because of the amount thats lost in the syringe? cuz i normally putt a Lil air in the syringe not enough that i inject any but enough so no oil is left behind. you think this Is a bad idea?
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Thinking about doing sust only cycle. 500mgs per week, in two shots. Will do it for 12 weeks. Should anything else be added. Looking to add some stremght and muscle but not over do it. Just want quality and be able to last through workouts etc longer.
Years ago when I did Test only cycles I would inflate and get strong and then deflate when I came off.
For something more lasting I am not a big believer in Test only cycles
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.5 a ml eoD like 4thaD said....but 4th why are you saying It would be less because of the amount thats lost in the syringe? cuz i normally putt a Lil air in the syringe not enough that i inject any but enough so no oil is left behind. you think this Is a bad idea?
When pinning eod you get an average of 3 shots one week and then 4 shots the next. So the average mg per week would be 437.5. I also add a little air to seal off the injection area and push everything out of the syringe. I personally think its a great ides. ;D
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500mg is good bro. Shoot .5ml eod and you will be good. It will actually be an average of 437.5mg ew, but will be fine. How many cycles have you run in the past?
sounds good. it's my first cycle. i have clean and oral winny too, but noot sure if should run it too
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I've done test-only cycles about 4 or 5 times. I did 500mg of Sust a week, and only pinned once a week. I had VERY noticable gains, where people started wondering if I'm on steroids (and that's always a good thang, lol). Maybe I would've gotten better results if I pinned eod, but all I'm saying is that you can get very good results only pinning once a week. I'm talking from experience here.
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I've done test-only cycles about 4 or 5 times. I did 500mg of Sust a week, and only pinned once a week. I had VERY noticable gains, where people started wondering if I'm on steroids (and that's always a good thang, lol). Maybe I would've gotten better results if I pinned eod, but all I'm saying is that you can get very good results only pinning once a week. I'm talking from experience here.
Well just because it works which it will, because of the longer esters does not mean its the right way to run sust. Sust idealy should be pinned eod.
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Well just because it works which it will, because of the longer esters does not mean its the right way to run sust. Sust idealy should be pinned eod.
Will it work yes, but the way 4thAD has posted will work a lot better. Think of this way, if you get you car tuned up it'll drive that much better, but without the tune up it still drives.
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Good point, Claymore. I stand corrected.
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to be honest i dont think thats great advice, there isnt realy the need to shoot sus eod, altho it will work better, in real terms it wont make that much of a difference...once its in your system its in your system weather you take 2 shots a week or 3....
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I like sust but testoviron mantains blood levels more stable and gives you better results ( but it takes longer to kick in, but you can solve that by adding some dbol)
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I think twice a week at 1 cc is better than 4 times a week at 0.5 cc. You lose about 0.1 cc in th needle and syringe every time you inject, so when doing 0.5 cc shots that's 20% of your gear right therer going to waste. 500 mg in twice a week shots = 450 mg after wasted gear and in four times a week shots = 400 mg after wasted gear.
Also I think frequency is a bit overrated I mean if you look at the half life of the test propionate its 4.5 days, so taking a shot every 3-4 days should be fine, especially considering that dbol's half life is 5 hours and people say to take one pill about every 5 hours too
Also the propionate in a cc of sust is only 30 mg, so is it really worth pinning twice as frequently just to keep 30 mg of test more stable?
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I think twice a week at 1 cc is better than 4 times a week at 0.5 cc. You lose about 0.1 cc in th needle and syringe every time you inject, so when doing 0.5 cc shots that's 20% of your gear right therer going to waste. 500 mg in twice a week shots = 450 mg after wasted gear and in four times a week shots = 400 mg after wasted gear.
Also I think frequency is a bit overrated I mean if you look at the half life of the test propionate its 4.5 days, so taking a shot every 3-4 days should be fine, especially considering that dbol's half life is 5 hours and people say to take one pill about every 5 hours too
Also the propionate in a cc of sust is only 30 mg, so is it really worth pinning twice as frequently just to keep 30 mg of test more stable?
No offense, but this is a rookie statement. Those of us who have been doing this for a while don't lose any gear when we pin. Also what something looks like on paper and how it works in real life are two different things. Have you ever even used sust or had blood monitored while on? Trust me sust should be pinned eod for best results.
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I pinned 250 Mon and Thurs and got really good results, gained 33lbs, kept 14lbs of it off a 16wk cycle, it was my first cycle though. I added dbol for the first 4 weeks and my diet was clean. People noticed the results about week 4..gotta love dbol! Though I lost 4lbs the following week after stopping dbol (water weight).
Crazy workouts, slept like a baby, ate like a maching and f**ked like a pornstar...it was a great first cycle. I can see how this can get addicting.
No sides at all.
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No offense, but this is a rookie statement. Those of us who have been doing this for a while don't lose any gear when we pin. Also what something looks like on paper and how it works in real life are two different things. Have you ever even used sust or had blood monitored while on? Trust me sust should be pinned eod for best results.
agree. People need to forget about days of the week when shooting test and think about days as being numbers. Monday-thrusday is not an even split as people want to think it is.
A cycle needs to be looked at by total number of days divided by the doses you want. If the dude is looking for less injections per week then skip sust and get enth.
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agree. People need to forget about days of the week when shooting test and think about days as being numbers. Monday-thrusday is not an even split as people want to think it is.
A cycle needs to be looked at by total number of days divided by the doses you want. If the dude is looking for less injections per week then skip sust and get enth.
agreed completely! If your afraid of multiple injects use something else.
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No offense, but this is a rookie statement. Those of us who have been doing this for a while don't lose any gear when we pin. Also what something looks like on paper and how it works in real life are two different things. Have you ever even used sust or had blood monitored while on? Trust me sust should be pinned eod for best results.
No offence taken 4thAD yes Ive taken sustanon twice a week and got results and never tried EOD to compare it to but i just find it hard to understand that you will get noticeably better results just by taking the 30 mg of propionate every other day instead of every 3.5 days since forr starters come on it is only 30 mg and then with twice a week you are still taking a shot before even 1/2 life for propionate but to each their own i guess
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No offense, but this is a rookie statement. Those of us who have been doing this for a while don't lose any gear when we pin. Also what something looks like on paper and how it works in real life are two different things. Have you ever even used sust or had blood monitored while on? Trust me sust should be pinned eod for best results.
refer to above statement. You can argue half lives all day long, it changes nothing.
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No offence taken 4thAD yes Ive taken sustanon twice a week and got results and never tried EOD to compare it to but i just find it hard to understand that you will get noticeably better results just by taking the 30 mg of propionate every other day instead of every 3.5 days since forr starters come on it is only 30 mg and then with twice a week you are still taking a shot before even 1/2 life for propionate but to each their own i guess
Just pin EOD and bump this thread in two weeks. If you were here in real life, I'd give you a vial of sustanon in real life if you still thought otherwise!
Trust us. There's a reason why everyone recommends it EOD. It actually feels like you're taking a couple hundred extra mgs of test if you increase the frequency you inject on sustanon. Take it once a week and it'll feel like absolutely nothing. Twice will feel good. EOD will feel fucking amazing. We have no reason to lie to you.
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I think twice a week at 1 cc is better than 4 times a week at 0.5 cc. You lose about 0.1 cc in th needle and syringe every time you inject, so when doing 0.5 cc shots that's 20% of your gear right therer going to waste. 500 mg in twice a week shots = 450 mg after wasted gear and in four times a week shots = 400 mg after wasted gear.
Also I think frequency is a bit overrated I mean if you look at the half life of the test propionate its 4.5 days, so taking a shot every 3-4 days should be fine, especially considering that dbol's half life is 5 hours and people say to take one pill about every 5 hours too
Also the propionate in a cc of sust is only 30 mg, so is it really worth pinning twice as frequently just to keep 30 mg of test more stable?
??? whattt?
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agreed completely! If your afraid of multiple injects use something else.
i have no fear of needles. Even long ones. I'm type II so no worries there.
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i have no fear of needles. Even long ones. I'm type II so no worries there.
Then shoot away my brother!
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Okay guys next time I try Sustanon I will consider eod shots and let you guys know how it goes thanks for the advices
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Sure EOD will be great cause thats a nice load of test. Thats a very nice get big and strong dose. You will be very steady and building up a nice ester base. But if you shoot it M/W/F that works pretty good too. More dramatic results EOD though for sure and thats mainly cause the dose is higher, if we are talking 250mg shots.
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Then shoot away my brother!
haha thanks! just trying to get the rest of my stuff in order. I have enough for 7 weeks, trying to get the reaminder and then enough for another cycle sometime aroiund mid-year
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your blood levels won't be to stable doing It in 2 shots per week...read the profile on sust and research esters
Yes they will,... you can shoot mon , thurs and be fine..this was my first cycle 2 amps of egyptian sust, great cycle. Don't listen to these morons that say to shoot sust everyday to take advantage of the 60mg of prop it has , lol.. sust was originally designed to be shot 7-14 days apart.
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captain stick man, to start things off suck my Dick....any ester of any aas is more effective with more frequent injections because It will help to stabilize blood levels that's steroids 101 Shit do some research before you tell someone to shoot sust 2times a week....yea It can be done and you'll still get Gains but you'll more efficiently use the gear with more frequent injections....moron
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captain stick man, to start things off suck my Dick....any ester of any aas is more effective with more frequent injections because It will help to stabilize blood levels that's steroids 101 Shit do some research before you tell someone to shoot sust 2times a week....yea It can be done and you'll still get Gains but you'll more efficiently use the gear with more frequent injections....moron
Yes but how much more effective is the question, would EOD or 3x per week shots of Sustanon compare to twice a week?
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Yes but how much more effective is the question, would EOD or 3x per week shots of Sustanon compare to twice a week?
Its much more effective...twice a week your not utilizing the short acting esters...why don't you try it both ways and you'll see the difference? sure youll get good gains twice a week...but ed or eod is much more effective
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Yes they will, don't listen to this idiot... you can shoot mon , thurs and be fine..this was my first cycle 2 amps of egyptian sust, great cycle. Don't listen to these morons that say to shoot sust everyday to take advantage of the 60mg of prop it has , lol.. sust was originally designed to be shot 7-14 days apart.
Shooting monday and thursday you will get some good results...but why not utilize the shorter acting esters? he'll get more bang for his buck if he shoots eod or ed
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yea there Is quite a significant difference its 60mg of fast acting esters with infrequent injections you Don't benefit from having them.....so thats 120mg per week less on a 500mg per week cycle dropping you to what 380 mgs per week....sounds like a little bit of a difference to me
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Maybe I will try the EOD and see what the difference is. I did the Mon and Thurs pin on my last Sus cycle and got great results. Pinning so often sounds shitty though.
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Yes they will, don't listen to this idiot... you can shoot mon , thurs and be fine..this was my first cycle 2 amps of egyptian sust, great cycle. Don't listen to these morons that say to shoot sust everyday to take advantage of the 60mg of prop it has , lol.. sust was originally designed to be shot 7-14 days apart.
If you have nothing constructive to say with out disrespecting members here, go back to the G&O. You seem to fit in better there. You love to disrespect members on this board, and I will tell you right now it wont happen here on the steroid boards.
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Yes they will, don't listen to this idiot... you can shoot mon , thurs and be fine..this was my first cycle 2 amps of egyptian sust, great cycle. Don't listen to these morons that say to shoot sust everyday to take advantage of the 60mg of prop it has , lol.. sust was originally designed to be shot 7-14 days apart.
I used to think the same but seems like the majority here disagree do you change your mind too now
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yea there Is quite a significant difference its 60mg of fast acting esters with infrequent injections you Don't benefit from having them.....so thats 120mg per week less on a 500mg per week cycle dropping you to what 380 mgs per week....sounds like a little bit of a difference to me
well to be fair its not 120 mg less per week it just means that 120 of the 500 mg will reach a bit lower level before its replenished.
how about this question what is the max # of days you would inject long acting ester like cypionate or enanthate. Most say monday and thursday is fine but what about spreading it to every 4 days or 5 days or 6 days even?
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Also guys I think the propionate is only 30 mg and not 60 like some were posting earlier. So at 500 mg twice a week it is just 60 mg per week (not 120) that is being replenished less frequently so maybe it not such a big deal after all
what about the phenylpropionate what is its half life? Is that an ester that is also needs more than twice a week frequency? what is half life?
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i guess i wrote that wrong....what i meant to say was that the 120mgs won't be used to its full potential.....and with cypp or E i would say 2x a week never less than once a week....the way i look At It is if ppl Don.'t like to inject they should just use different compounds.....but imo one of the most important things is to keep your blood levels stable
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i guess i wrote that wrong....what i meant to say was that the 120mgs won't be used to its full potential.....and with cypp or E i would say 2x a week never less than once a week....the way i look At It is if ppl Don.'t like to inject they should just use different compounds.....but imo one of the most important things is to keep your blood levels stable
sorry not to nitpick just trying to understand so do you mean that 60 mg wont be used to its full potential or 120, based on 500 mg sustanon per week and 30 mg propionate per cc
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120per week 30mgs of prop and 30mgs of phenylpropinate per cc
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I look at pinning from a realistic point of view, from someone with a life, responsibilities, a gf, a job, etc.
if you're a pro and do nothing but take steroids all day and lift, by all means, go live the dream... pin 5 times a day and be a human pin cushion building scar tissue everywhere.
Personally , I would rather pin 2x a week then 7... in the end it works out the same, sustanon is comprised of 4 esters, short, medium and two long.. there is no reason to shoot it that frequently..maybe some of you are just sadomasochists ;) if you love putting holes in your body just for the hell of it! go for it :)
I'm still waiting to see one shred of proof that this everyday method has any merit or is somehow better, feel free to post links, abstracts, studies, etc.
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how about we come in the middle between the two extremes of everyday/every other day shots and once or twice a week shots and say take sustanon every third day? :)
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I look at pinning from a realistic point of view, from someone with a life, responsibilities, a gf, a job, etc.
if you're a pro and do nothing but take steroids all day and lift, by all means, go live the dream... pin 5 times a day and be a human pin cushion building scar tissue everywhere.
Personally , I would rather pin 2x a week then 7... in the end it works out the same, sustanon is comprised of 4 esters, short, medium and two long.. there is no reason to shoot it that frequently..maybe some of you are just sadomasochists ;) if you love putting holes in your body just for the hell of it! go for it :)
I'm still waiting to see one shred of proof that this everyday method has any merit or is somehow better, feel free to post links, abstracts, studies, etc.
Why pin at all if your not going to take full advantage of the drug?
Personally I dont need to see studies because I have run it both ways numerous and pinning eod makes sust feel much stronger pinning eod than 2xew. Feels stronger, and gains were superior to a noticeable difference.
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I look at pinning from a realistic point of view, from someone with a life, responsibilities, a gf, a job, etc.
if you're a pro and do nothing but take steroids all day and lift, by all means, go live the dream... pin 5 times a day and be a human pin cushion building scar tissue everywhere.
Personally , I would rather pin 2x a week then 7... in the end it works out the same, sustanon is comprised of 4 esters, short, medium and two long.. there is no reason to shoot it that frequently..maybe some of you are just sadomasochists ;) if you love putting holes in your body just for the hell of it! go for it :)
I'm still waiting to see one shred of proof that this everyday method has any merit or is somehow better, feel free to post links, abstracts, studies, etc.
totaly agree.....
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Why pin at all if your not going to take full advantage of the drug?
Personally I dont need to see studies because I have run it both ways numerous and pinning eod makes sust feel much stronger pinning eod than 2xew. Feels stronger, and gains were superior to a noticeable difference.
Of course it will feel stronger, you're taking more product...taking 500mg 2x a week (250mg each day) versus 250mg EOD or ED (equaling 750mg a week or more)
If you're pinning ED, it comes out to 1750mg/week (250mg/ED) vs. 500mg (250mg mon, thur)
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who said anything About using a whole cc every time half a cc 4x a week is still 500mgs
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who said anything About using a whole cc every time half a cc 4x a week is still 500mgs
Yeah no shit! Were talking mg for mg. Not taking higher amounts just because of more frequent injections. This isn't rocket science Capt. E.
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Omnadren 1250mg/week
anabol 30mg/day
arimidex 1mg eod
ephedrine 75mg / 3 times per day
this cycle above is for people who want to feel like a god and not care about anything or anyone else. atleast it did for me ;)
also if you notice there's no underground garbage in that cycle.
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who said anything About using a whole cc every time half a cc 4x a week is still 500mgs
That's just being a human pincushion... like I said, this comes down to personal preference... I don't like scar tissue, if you guys like pinning every day or 3 x a day... it's your body, I'm just saying it's unnecessary, I don't see why everyone's getting all upset over this. No need to go into name calling and shit.
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how is It not necessary with Sust? that's like the guy not that long ago on here who said run Tren Acetate once per week.....if you Don.'t like pinning then use something with a longer ester like test e or cyp. and with the Shit talkin i agree with ya its not necessary i'm here to educate myself further and help out anyone i can i Jus Don.'t agree with some information bein passed on when its not correct...
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how is It not necessary with Sust? that's like the guy not that long ago on here who said run Tren Acetate once per week.....if you Don.'t like pinning then use something with a longer ester like test e or cyp. and with the Shit talkin i agree with ya its not necessary i'm here to educate myself further and help out anyone i can i Jus Don.'t agree with some information bein passed on when its not correct...
That's just it though, you can't disprove me and I can't disprove you, there is no studies/literature that supports it. If anything it's the opposite, for proper medical (HRT) use, Sustanon 250 is injected once every 7-10 days, those are the actual directions on real legit boxes of Organon Sustanon 250.
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Omnadren 1250mg/week
anabol 30mg/day
arimidex 1mg eod
ephedrine 75mg / 3 times per day
this cycle above is for people who want to feel like a god and not care about anything or anyone else. atleast it did for me ;)
also if you notice there's no underground garbage in that cycle.
confused at the ephedrine part of the cycle what is it for? When I take ephedrine I take 24mg (here in canada they come in 8 mg small tabs so I take 3) and I feel heartbeat up and imagine 75 mg dose would be crazy or dangerous for me at least.
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That's just being a human pincushion... like I said, this comes down to personal preference... I don't like scar tissue, if you guys like pinning every day or 3 x a day... it's your body, I'm just saying it's unnecessary, I don't see why everyone's getting all upset over this. No need to go into name calling and shit.
Haha LMFAO, your the one who came on here calling members here morons. You call people names all over this board.
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That's just it though, you can't disprove me and I can't disprove you, there is no studies/literature that supports it. If anything it's the opposite, for proper medical (HRT) use, Sustanon 250 is injected once every 7-10 days, those are the actual directions on real legit boxes of Organon Sustanon 250.
Like I said, whats on paper and what really works are two very different things. I have a friend who was just prescribed 100mg test c, once e3w. Now that's just asinine. We all know that doesn't work. Especially for keeping blood levels stable.
Bottom line sust should be shot eod for best results. If you dont want to pin that frequently your better off using test e or c.
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Like I said, whats on paper and what really works are two very different things. I have a friend who was just prescribed 100mg test c, once e3w. Now that's just asinine. We all know that doesn't work. Especially for keeping blood levels stable.
Bottom line sust should be shot eod for best results. If you dont want to pin that frequently your better off using test e or c.
Apples and Oranges buddy... as for my initial outburst, I got back on dbol after a few days off.. lol, I was snapping @ everything and everyone the last few days :)
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New to this forum, but not new to the game, I read this, and I just came off 500mg a week of sus, I did it twice a week, mon thur, got gains and it worked well, but my next cycle I will do the 125mg eod, I agree it would work better, to sum it up doing it eod will keep you from peaking and then dropping into a valley, form the prop,keeps you more on a level doing it eod, my opinion on the whole being a pin cushion doing it eod is if your going to play the game, you might as well play it the best you can.
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New to this forum, but not new to the game, I read this, and I just came off 500mg a week of sus, I did it twice a week, mon thur, got gains and it worked well, but my next cycle I will do the 125mg eod, I agree it would work better, to sum it up doing it eod will keep you from peaking and then dropping into a valley, form the prop,keeps you more on a level doing it eod, my opinion on the whole being a pin cushion doing it eod is if your going to play the game, you might as well play it the best you can.
You said that very well my friend. Welcome to the board.
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What ever happen wiggs. Thinking of doing Omnadren, was going to roll 1 amo eod but saw that 1/2 amp eod is effective getting close to 500 mg per week. Was going to front load with dbol and end the 16 weeks with var, clen and t3. Was going to run low dose arim to stave off gyno because i am sensitive to estrogen.
Is running arim throught counter productive? Even Nolva?
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Why pin at all if your not going to take full advantage of the drug?
Personally I dont need to see studies because I have run it both ways numerous and pinning eod makes sust feel much stronger pinning eod than 2xew. Feels stronger, and gains were superior to a noticeable difference.
EOD with sus is going to be better than 2x per week. Blood levels will stay more stable and you are getting the most out of the prop and phenylprop to an extent.
Anyone who is disputing this needs to try it first.
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Years ago when I did Test only cycles I would inflate and get strong and then deflate when I came off.
For something more lasting I am not a big believer in Test only cycles
Exactly and this is why so many guys shrink nowadays when they come off and clamor to get back on so soon. They think think they will shrivel up and turn into a priest if they don't have test in their cycle. Most of the BBers back in the day weren't big fans of test. Test also makes you fat if you don't control your estrogen. That's why there is a noticeable difference when you use a strong antiestrogen like Arimidex in a heavy test cycle. The results of pure size aren't as great because of the estrogen and fat gain is reduced.
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EOD with sus is going to be better than 2x per week. Blood levels will stay more stable and you are getting the most out of the prop and phenylprop to an extent.
Anyone who is disputing this needs to try it first.
Won't make a difference, that was the whole point of design for the Sustanon product..and why there are 4 differently timed esters IN IT.
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Won't make a difference, that was the whole point of design for the Sustanon product..and why there are 4 differently timed esters IN IT.
I agree. With their logic you'd might as well inject sust ED or hell why not twice a day or fuck me how about 3-4 times a day? I mean afterall let's take advantage of all those esters. LMAO! Internet broscience never ceases to amaze.
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I agree. With their logic you'd might as well inject sust ED or hell why not twice a day or fuck me how about 3-4 times a day? I mean afterall let's take advantage of all those esters. LMAO! Internet broscience never ceases to amaze.
It's best just to keep it simple in my opinion. If someone feels the need to take advantage of the shortest acting ester in the four blend mix, and shoot ED or EOD then let them. I'll just take advantage of all the esters combined and shoot twice a week, keep it simple.
If I were to do a sust only - I'd go with twice a week.
If I were to mix it with faster acting compunds like tren ace then I would do EOD, and use the tren to cut it.