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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Topskin69 on December 19, 2009, 08:16:14 PM
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All of us at one time or another, (if we have the courage to admit it,) have wasted valuable dollars on worthless supplements. The supplements available today, are of course, light-years ahead of the supplements of yesteryear.
Indeed... Todays generation has it quite easy, not having to choke down protein powders that taste like a mix between gasoline, and baking soda, or swallow pills big enough to suffocate a Mule.
As I take a trip down memory lane, I will recall some of the more embarrassing items that were prevalent in the time that I started BBing.
The first entry into the Hall of Shame: "Joe Weider's MEGA MASS 4000!"
Yes... I remember the likes of Lou Ferrigno, Dennis Neuman, Achim Albrecht, and others pimping this crap... I saved up all the money that I made one year mowing lawns, to buy a box, (which I think was around $50.00 or so), only to wonder how I was going to keep choking it down, day after day... I think that the only thing it gave me was Mega amounts of intestinal damage!
More to Come! Feel free to add to this Hall of Supplement shame!
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Entry Number 2.: "ICO PRO"
As im sure many others who started BBing in the early 90s like myself can attest to...some of the most impressinable physiques to a young lad, were the ones in the WWF/WCW. I distinctly remember Lex Luger, Bret Heart, and Razor Ramon, in commercials working out, and afterwards shouting the Mantra, "You Gotta Want it!"
I never did get to try ICO PRO, but to this day I think they had the coolest catch phrase. R.I.P. the WBF... :'(
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Entry # 3 in the Hall of shame...
"Hot Stuff/Super Hot Stuff"
This was one of the funniest supplements as it was probably the first "All in one" powder to hit the market. Meaning that they throw about 23432423 ingredients into it in doses too low to actually do anything. When faced with this allegation, Steve Brisbois would simply retort, "Thats not true, we put in high doses of all ingredients!" Of course he never would list the actual amounts of any of the ingredients...only hiding it all in a "Proprietary Blend."
He also had a meltdown a few years back... Which can be read about here:
http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=19059_hotsuff.jpg
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awesome thread!
the original Cell-Tech was a shit tonne of over priced sugar and some creatine monohydrate
how 5 lbs of sugar managed to taste so aweful still confounds me :(
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glutamine. waste of money for bodybuilding purposes
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glutamine. waste of money for bodybuilding purposes
funny it's been around all of these years and still sells like crazy to bodybuilders.
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;D haha i had mega mass 2000 back in the day
did nothin but give me the squirts! >:(
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glutamine. waste of money for bodybuilding purposes
I bought my first and only bottle of glutamine maybe five years ago because I read somewhere it helped with muscle soreness. Worthless fucking supplement.
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I found hoodia to be quite worthless. Doesn't supress the apetite at all.
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Entry # 3 in the Hall of shame...
"Hot Stuff/Super Hot Stuff"
This was one of the funniest supplements as it was probably the first "All in one" powder to hit the market. Meaning that they throw about 23432423 ingredients into it in doses too low to actually do anything. When faced with this allegation, Steve Brisbois would simply retort, "Thats not true, we put in high doses of all ingredients!" Of course he never would list the actual amounts of any of the ingredients...only hiding it all in a "Proprietary Blend."
He also had a meltdown a few years back... Which can be read about here:
http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=19059_hotsuff.jpg
I always "heard" that the original Hotstuff actually worked, and rumor had it that it actually worked initially because they were supposedly putting stuff in that "first batch" that was not legal. :-X
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glutamine. waste of money for bodybuilding purposes
I am probably in the minority but I feel like I recover faster/better while taking 10+ grams of Glutamine a day. I also like HMB for dieting, but again, not everyone agrees with me.
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I am probably in the minority but I feel like I recover faster/better while taking 10+ grams of Glutamine a day. I also like HMB for dieting, but again, not everyone agrees with me.
There's a reason it's still considered a staple supplement and sold at every store in the health or sports nutrition store. A lot of people like it
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Entry # 4: "Anabolic Mega Packs"
While not the worst supplement ever, (amino acids will allways be a decent supplement), they were incredibly overpriced, and Uncle Joe promised us all "Steroid Like Gains," from taking them.... Sadly something tells me that Gary Strydom didnt quite lose his hair to an over dose of L-Tyrosine... :-[
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I was convinced this protein really will block my myostatin and that I will be HUUUUGE in no time....
My god it tasted like Ass!
(http://www.pinnaclejuicedprotein.com/images/juicedprotein1.jpg)
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Haha
Actual myostatin inhibitors are supposed to be in clinical trials in the near future!
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Just put them under your tongue and let them melt - its like your juicing!
GUILTY
(http://www.bodybuilding-supplements-for-you.com/images/pinnacle/andro150.jpg)
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A few drops of this and it will enter the muscle faster than regular creatine, I swear!
It tasted AWESOME though...
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4159WMFZTDL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
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I remember liquid creatine! Wasn't it marketed towards runners?
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Took it before football games in High School ;D
(http://www.sncdirect.com/images/products/snc-600/the-ultimate-orange-energy-company/ultimate-orange.jpg)
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I remember liquid creatine! Wasn't it marketed towards runners?
They had different lines, the ATP line was marketed towards bodybuilders.
The Xtra line was marketed towards runners, dunno what the difference is:
(http://americasnutrition.com/images/products/1132-1-lg.jpg)
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Hahaha the Hot Stuff 3 page adverts were the predecessors of MuscleTech ads and used to read like a cross between an Amway brochure and Convert to Christianity pamphlet.
And though it's not a supplement, those 3 page B&W ads featuring Tom Platz's revolutionary training systems in the mid 90s were funny / lame to read.
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Ultimate Orange was Great!! Another invention of the late Dan Ducahine....
Lol... I was boderline addicted to Ephedrine till it became illegal...
I think a non-ephedra version is still floating around on shelves...
M!
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Hahaha the Hot Stuff 3 page adverts were the predecessors of MuscleTech ads and used to read like a cross between an Amway brochure and Convert to Christianity pamphlet.
And though it's not a ss.upplement, those 3 page B&W ads featuring Tom Platz's revolutionary training systems in the mid 90s were funny / lame to read.
Yes... he would drone endlessly about how great the supplement was, and how it was on par with steroids, but could never actully explain how you could effectivly dose 32432423 different ingredients....
It was the original NaNo Vapor...LOL
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You are right Ultimate orange was banned for a while, then re-released without ephedra. The new ads for it in the magazine featured and older sleazebag about to have sex with a newly turned 18 year old and the caption read "Legal at last" borderline fucked up! lol
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A few drops of this and it will enter the muscle faster than regular creatine, I swear!
It tasted AWESOME though...
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4159WMFZTDL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
I remember this one....I just started lifting and my coach said this is just like "JUICE"
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Here Uncle Joe says that the "Weider Scientific Research and Development Team," has given us the ANABOLIC MEGA PACK to deliver us from the evil specter of steroids...
Here is a quote: "But it delights me now to report that we have succeeded! The scientists working with me estimate that the Anabolic Steroid replacement kit that we developed can achieve more then 50% of the effectiveness of steroids intially, and over several months of proper use, our product can actually equal the total effectiveness of Anabolic Steroids, for achieving strentgh and muscle mass! I have named this breakthrough product WEIDER ANABOLIC MEGA PACK."
Thanks Joe...
:)
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Is anyone on this GetBig Board interested in volunteering to participate in myostatin clinical studies? I don't have the details yet but there is a standard procedure to adhere to if one wanted to volunteer for such a study.
If anyone has precise info regarding the need for such volunteers, we'd appreciate hearing about it so that we can pass that info on to others who would be interested.
Thanks!
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Is anyone on this GetBig Board interested in volunteering to participate in myostatin clinical studies? I don't have the details yet but there is a standard procedure to adhere to if one wanted to volunteer for such a study.
If anyone has precise info regarding the need for such volunteers, we'd appreciate hearing about it so that we can pass that info on to others who would be interested.
Thanks!
Only if I was assured that I would have my Myostatin gene knocked out completly!
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Good thread
I remember the cybergenics ads that littered mags with their touched up before/after pics
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"get big quick formula"...
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"get big quick formula"...
yes ! hahahaha
that and colostrum
oh brother ...I want my money back for being lied to
btw:
FUCK ALL YOU WHO SELL SUPPS OR PROFIT FROM THEM]
HONESTLY
ALL A BUNCH OF LIARS
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ive got to admit,, ive spent some money on some shite over the years, mega masses, gabba, glutamine, hmb......... worthless, as are nearly all supplements
good protein drink is all id buy now, if i want a boost i'll spend my money on real anabolics
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Is anyone on this GetBig Board interested in volunteering to participate in myostatin clinical studies? I don't have the details yet but there is a standard procedure to adhere to if one wanted to volunteer for such a study.
If anyone has precise info regarding the need for such volunteers, we'd appreciate hearing about it so that we can pass that info on to others who would be interested.
Thanks!
Irony or serious shit?
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not to mention the short lived OKG introduction
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I can honestly say I've never gotten hooked into anything after my first supplement which was those Twinlab GH Fuel caps with Eddie Robinson on the label.........."damn, he got big from those. I'm going to get huge ::)" After that, I started reading a lot and if it seemed to good to be true I figured it was. I later got a job as an asst. mgr. at a health food/ supp store which was awesome. I got to see quickly that HMB wasn't doing shit for anyone but making them throw away like 80 bucks every ten days. I probably would have tried it too if I didn't have all that feedback.
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Who remebers smilax officianalis,you put a drop under your tongue and let it seep through the buchal tract and was supposed to increase testosterone output.The big selling point was the warning notice on the bottle.
WARNING,this product may increase penis size.
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ive got to admit,, ive spent some money on some shite over the years, mega masses, gabba, glutamine, hmb......... worthless, as are nearly all supplements
good protein drink is all id buy now, if i want a boost i'll spend my money on real anabolics
:D
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I've spent a fortune till about 2 years ago when i was "enlightened" :-\.
Here's a pic showing (some) of what i had.
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I've spent a fortune till about 2 years ago when i was "enlightened" :-\.
Here's a pic showing (some) of what i had.
It's as shameful as most of the CD's I bought back in the 8ties ;D
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I was a suplement slut so guilty as charged on quite a few of these things ;D
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Much shit for even more money...
though I like the protein powder by Hammer Nutrition - still use it in my morning coffee...
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Just think of the money spent on this bogus shit, and people are still doing it...
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I'm trying to convince a colleague of mine to eat solid meals instead of weightgainers but it seems to be a mission impossible. He's just a impatient lazy fucker :-\
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This crap.
(http://www8.vitanetonline.com/products/U080034.jpg)
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SOY PROTEIN you cant even mix the shit
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SOY PROTEIN you cant even mix the shit
You can mix it with oatmeal and apple juice & cinnamon to make it more tasty.
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Musco-MXT
(http://mivitamins.com/store/images/mxt.jpg)
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Boron-it did shit
Pyruvate-it did even less
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Musco-MXT
(http://mivitamins.com/store/images/mxt.jpg)
Hahah guilty user here. To my defense I was like 14. :D
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awesome thread!
the original Cell-Tech was a shit tonne of over priced sugar and some creatine monohydrate
how 5 lbs of sugar managed to taste so aweful still confounds me :(
Back in 1999, I was about to graduate college. I had a jug of pure creatine, I was going to sell it, so to make it seem like it was a full jug, I put sugar in it...afew yrs later Muscletech comes up with Celltech...which was basically sugar (Dextrose) with Creatine. They should pay me for that bright idea! >:(
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Back in 1999, I was about to graduate college. I had a jug of pure creatine, I was going to sell it, so to make it seem like it was a full jug, I put sugar in it...afew yrs later Muscletech comes up with Celltech...which was basically sugar (Dextrose) with Creatine. They should pay me for that bright idea! >:(
;D
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I am probably in the minority but I feel like I recover faster/better while taking 10+ grams of Glutamine a day. I also like HMB for dieting, but again, not everyone agrees with me.
HMB is like the poster boy for supplement scams. Ironically it has some scientific data showing it does something, unlike the majority of sports supplements. Layne Norton I think has said it can help. It activates mTor if I remember correctly (among other things), just like Leucine. I defy anyone to swear they notice something from Leucine supplementation. Despite not having any effects you can definitely feel it's huge in the supplement world, and has been for years. As well as protein research, where it's shown to drive protein synthesis.
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Anybody remember that "Sten" or whatever that used Ruhl and that other german bodybuilder for it's ads? They had one running on traintracks...It came in packets...my parents use the box for storage now.
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tried pyruvate, l-carnitine, alpha lipoic acid all crap
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Just put them under your tongue and let them melt - its like your juicing!
GUILTY
(http://www.bodybuilding-supplements-for-you.com/images/pinnacle/andro150.jpg)
hmmm I was under the assumption those actually worked. I never took them but my friend did and he liked them. Those are the andro "poppers" right?
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Back in 1999, I was about to graduate college. I had a jug of pure creatine, I was going to sell it, so to make it seem like it was a full jug, I put sugar in it...afew yrs later Muscletech comes up with Celltech...which was basically sugar (Dextrose) with Creatine. They should pay me for that bright idea! >:(
haha you supplement scammer
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Creatine gave me pretty good diarhea the first time I used it, so I assume we can say that it works.
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haha you supplement scammer
hell yeah, I needed money...I had to get rid of that stuff fast.
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I've spent a fortune till about 2 years ago when i was "enlightened" :-\.
Here's a pic showing (some) of what i had.
good lord that's a ton of stuff.
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BIOTEST are the biggest liars in the industry.
exhibit A:
(http://www.a1nutrition.com/g/graphics/products/biotest/myostat.jpg)
Create brand new muscle cells that will develop in hug muscle gains. Biotest Myostat CSP3 increases hypertrophy by 50 percent boosting your potential by leaps and bounds. If you want to completely revolutionize your physique, make no mistake about it, myostat cs
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The Myostatin Project - Part 1
You're Not Dreaming, It's Real!
by Tim Patterson
Once again, we've caused an industry-wide shake up. And rightfully so. With the recent announcement that we've found a way to neutralize the effects of myostatin, and that we've filed a patent on the active compound, most sports-supplement companies' hearts have sunk to somewhere around their left ankle.
I can definitely feel for them, too. The ability to neutralize myostatin means that you can now take the governor off muscle-mass limitations, and grow and grow and grow and grow and grow!
Obviously, the market for this is H-U-G-E! And to be locked out of the myostatin "category," as a sports-supplement company, would cause major, fire-breathing-dragon-type heartburn. As a result of all this angst, our competitors are responding in one of three ways:
1) They're "ignoring" us, hoping their customers will too.
2) They're attacking us, saying we're full of dooky-doo.
3) They're ripping off our idea and manufacturing bogus myostatin binders, attempting to capture some of the market.
Mostly to avoid fueling the existing market excitement, our competitors are downplaying our discovery. They certainly don't want to see any of their customers making purchases on our side of the ledger. And, so far, we've only had one company that attempted to produce a rip-off product, and I mean literally! Here's what happened:
This supplement company got wind of our myostatin project and contacted the PhD in charge of the research, pretending to be "interested in the name of science." Being science minded and unsuspecting of dirty-trick tactics, the PhD told them about the discovery and sent them, of all things, a small sample of the compound! After which, they developed a product, placed ads in magazines, and began taking pre-orders.
Once we realized what was happening, we immediately contacted the company and asked: "What are you thinking?! Since we're the only ones who have access to the compound, how in the world do you think you're going to get away with this scheme?"
They told us that they'd do anything if we'd just puleeeez sell them the material. We informed them that 1) there's not enough of the compound to spare; 2) we have way too much invested in the project to release it to other companies; and 3) the science behind myostatin regulation is somewhat complex and we don't want to risk other companies disseminating misinformation in the name of marketing. (Number 3 was a polite way of saying, we don't want smarmy ads popping up that mislead the public by making wild claims.)
Anyway, just be aware that other companies are going to attempt to ride on our myostatin coattails by launching completely bogus products.
As far as the science community is concerned, well, they're split right down the middle. One half is spouting off, "This can't be done with a natural product!" And the other half is so excited about the possibilities of super human, permanent, muscle growth that they can barely contain themselves.
Usually, academia as a whole is quite skeptical of innovation. It's as if they're afraid of making a mistake and "losing their reputation" amongst their peers. In other words, no one wants to be the first to embrace something new for fear of being marked a "renegade" or worse, a "sellout." This kind of thinking is so oppressive that a lot of potentially good ideas are squelched long before they're ever fully investigated.
This time, with our myostatin breakthrough, it's a completely different story. All of the scientists who've seen our data have become big believers in the project. They say, even if we're only able to reduce myostatin by 10%, it'll revolutionize one's ability to build muscle. And everyone believes we've done much better than that.
Now what I'm about to do next is very important. I have everyone's best interest in mind, and I want to protect the integrity of our myostatin project. Therefore, I believe we should reveal our invention and enough of the details that it'll put an end to speculation about what we're doing.
It's now time to unveil what we've been trying to keep secret for the better part of a year. I would've preferred waiting another three to six months, when we're further along with our performance trials, but out-of-control excitement and loose lips have forced our hand here. If we don't step in now and begin educating people about what we have, it'll be impossible to prevent vulture companies from entering the market with bogus products, and to correct all the misinformation that's beginning to emerge.
All I can say is, hold on, bubba, it's gonna' be a wild ride. This discovery could cause us to rethink a lot of things we've considered "laws" of exercise science.
New Muscle, More Muscle, Bigger Muscle, or All the Above?
Before I get into the specifics of our discovery, I want you to know that Biotest and Pinnacle have been working together on The Myostatin Project. In case you've been living under a moss-covered rock in a creek bed somewhere in the Ozark Mountains, Pinnacle is the company that invented Androstat Poppers.
I have great respect for the president of Pinnacle. He's truly an honorable hombre, and one smart cookie, to boot. Our research departments work well together, and like Biotest, they're obsessed with innovation and quality.
Between the two of us, we've invested a lot more money in the project than we care to admit and we've assembled a group of researchers and industry experts that includes some of the best thinkers science has to offer. We've engaged the very best in all the necessary fields, including exercise scientists, drug delivery and drug-design experts, physiologists, medical doctors, theoretical and organic chemists, and the list goes on.
We even have our very own medicine-man PhD who roams around the world seeking exotic plants with potent medicinal properties. I'm not kidding. He's the Indiana Jones of the sports-supplement industry. He's been everywhere from China to Madagascar, from the Himalayas to the Amazon. And it's this very man who discovered our myostatin neutralizer… quite by accident.
Throughout history, many scientific discoveries have been made by so-called "accident" — penicillin, X-rays, the smallpox vaccine, insulin, the theoretical basis of allergies, Velcro, Coca Cola, Post-it notes, aspartame, and TC's ökalingus sexual-excitement technique, just to name a few. And it's no different with our myostatin neutralizer — we discovered the active compound while looking in a completely different direction.
As we get into the actual discovery, unless you understand the distinct mechanism in which myostatin inhibits muscle growth, you could misinterpret what we're actually doing. So please read carefully.
First off, there's a myostatin gene, and there's a myostatin protein. In essence, the gene regulates the production of the protein, and it's the protein that's responsible for shutting down the production of new muscle cells.
The operative phrase here is "growth of new muscle cells," because in a mature human, due primarily to the influence of myostatin, it's not possible to produce new muscle cells to any significant degree. And it's the muscle cells that give a mature muscle the capacity to grow through hypertrophy — increasing the actual thickness of existing fibers.
So, the more muscle cells you have present, the greater the potential is for growth.
On the other hand, if you could neutralize myostatin, then the satellite cells would proliferate much longer, substantially increasing the number of myoblasts produced. These myoblasts would mature into myocites, then into myotubes, and ultimately into muscle cells. And like I've already mentioned before, the more muscle cells you have present, the greater the potential is for hypertrophy, or growth.
You could say that myostatin protein acts sort of like a muscle contraceptive. As long as it's active in the body, free to attach itself to satellite cells, there'll be very few new baby muscles born in our bodies.
Got it?
Myostatin present = few new baby muscles born.
Myostatin not present = muscle-population explosion!
But let's not get too carried away with the thought of having massive new muscle development overnight. Yes, by neutralizing myostatin you will experience increased muscle-cell proliferation, but you're not going to go to bed one night looking like Pee Wee Herman and wake up the next morning as Arnold. It's a much slower process, taking a year or more to accomplish.
Even so, this process is so powerful that it can literally transform your physique with an increase in muscle density that otherwise wouldn't be attainable.
There are other factors that go into limiting overall muscle growth, but it seems that myostatin has by far the strongest influence. And as you can imagine, ever since myostatin was first discovered, scientists have been trying to find ways to moderate its effects. Basically, this has divided the scientific community into two camps. One camp is attempting to regulate the myostatin gene through genetic engineering, which is only practical when dealing with farm animals and other non-human species.
The other camp is attempting to negate, or neutralize, the effects of the myostatin protein, which has direct application in medicine and sports. This can potentially be done by either blocking the receptor site, or binding free myostatin prior to reaching its receptor. And between the two, it's the binding approach that shows most promise. Science has already proven that if you successfully bind myostatin protein, you get the same effect as if you completely knocked out the gene.
Next week, in Part 2 of this article, I'm going to be focusing on the only practical way to regulate myostatin in humans, which is binding the protein. And to do that, we're going to enter a world where no other supplement company has ever taken you before. This is an exotic experience that closely resembles a modern James Bond setting, where the science of the future is somehow transmuted into today's reality.
You think I'm kidding, don't you? Just wait... You'll see.
Let me leave you with this:
We truly believe we've found a way to take the governor off genetic limitations to muscle growth, making it possible for the "average human" to become, well, "super-human."
Too strong a statement? Or, not strong enough?
The Myostatin Project - Part 2
The Future Has Arrived
by Tim Patterson
The Medicine Man's Hydroponic Farm
The location: The Canary Islands… more specifically, a high-tech lab, which is nestled among several species of marine algae growing under strict controls in a hydroponic farm. And heading the lab is our very own Medicine Man, who's not just in charge of harvesting wild algae out of the ocean. No, we have him on a mission that's far more complex and advanced than that.
The research started with natural organisms, of course, but that's where nature stopped and science began to change things rather dramatically. For the last two years, at our request, the Medicine Man has been manipulating growing conditions in order to produce super strains of algae, which contain extremely high concentrations of certain compounds that are very potent and highly active in the body.
The primary focus of the lab has been on next-generation antioxidants for potential drug applications, but the Medicine Man always has his mental radar turned on, looking for one of those accidental breakthroughs I mentioned before. As it happened, one of his lab assistants was analyzing a rare form of marine algae, called Cystoseira canariensis, extracting its component parts, and testing the actions of each fraction.
During an experiment, the assistant discovered a phlorochemical compound that presents a structure which is similar to a known myostatin binder. Realizing the incredible potential of this finding, the research team immediately designed a series of tests to evaluate the myostatin-binding affinity of the compound.
If proven, this discovery would body slam sports science into a speechless stupor, and the data would need to be dead-on accurate. So the researchers thoroughly investigated the scientific literature to make sure all of the analytical methodologies were in line with current technology. The lab then procured the appropriate cell cultures and other materials and began the experiment.
The first step was isolating myostatin through an established method. This was accomplished by flowing a crude muscle homogenate (liquefied muscle in a buffering solution) through various chromatography columns, the final of which contained a known myostatin binder, called heparin sepharose.
If successful, the heparin would isolate myostatin by binding to it and allow the rest of the material to pass by unaffected. The last step of the isolation process is a chemical reaction that causes the bound myostatin to be eluted (released) and collected.
(Note: Heparin is a mucopolysaccharide produced by the body that's responsible for keeping your blood from clotting. It's also used as a medicine to thin the blood. Ingesting heparin in the amounts required to effectively bind myostatin as a performance aid would be deadly.)
To establish if myostatin had actually been isolated, the eluate from the first experiment was analyzed, using Western-blot immuno-electrophoresis, which positively identified the compound as myostatin. In other words, the experiment was a success. We did indeed isolate myostatin by using heparin as a binder.
Next, the entire two-phase process was repeated, except this time the heparin-sepharose column was replaced with a column containing a fraction of our newly discovered compound extracted from Cystoseira. If this last step yielded pure myostatin, it would mean that we actually found an effective way to bind myostatin, using a safe "dietary supplement."
Well, what happened amazed everyone. Our extracted compound actually shows a greater affinity than heparin for binding myostatin! That's incredible! It's stronger and works better.
This is just the beginning, though. We're currently moving on to phase two of our research, which includes a series of studies that will culminate with human-performance trials. But at this point in our research, we're extremely excited. We believe we're on the cusp of something much greater than anyone can fathom.
Effectively, we've taken the governor off genetic limitations to muscle growth, making it possible for the "average" human to become, well, "super-human."
I truly believe that this is one of those rare times when everyone from scientists to athletes is going to be blown away — that when all is said and done, bodybuilding and sports in general will be changed in an incredibly positive way, forever.
Regarding the actual active component extracted from cultured Cystoseira, it's a low-molecular weight sulfo-polysaccharide, called CSP-3™. The compound is highly water-soluble with great bioavailability. In other words, we have every belief that CSP-3 will easily get into the body's bloodstream intact and effectively bind (neutralize) significant amounts of myostatin.
CSP-3… Can I Get It?
At this point, I'm sure most of you are about ready to blow a fuse with excitement. You want the stuff, now! You're thinking: "When will this happen? Next month? Next year?" When, if ever, will I be able to get my hands on CSP-3?
Determining when to manufacture CSP-3 has been on my mind for quite some time. I've made a decision, but it wasn't nearly as easy as you might think. Of course, if I would've based my conclusion upon feedback from T-mag readers, well, there'd be no question. For every 100 "go for it" responses I received, there were only three that voted to wait for further research. But like I said, it's a little more complicated than that. Here's how I see it:
1) We have proven that we've isolated a highly potent, yet safe, myostatin binder, called CSP-3.
2) CSP-3 is orally bioavailable and well tolerated by the body.
3) Muscle-mass gains attained by inhibiting myostatin are slower and different than with pro-steroids or steroids, which means it'll take additional time to get through more-extensive research to determine exactly what kind of muscle-building results are possible. We know CSP-3 works, we're just excited to know how big the average user can get, and what the rate of gain is.
4) Inhibiting myostatin won't affect the heart or structures other than skeletal muscle, making it very safe. In fact, it's not only safe, it's healthy. In a study funded by the National Institutes of Health and conducted at Johns Hopkins University, researchers Lee and McPherron found that inhibiting myostatin is potentially an effective way to "prevent or treat obesity and associated conditions, like diabetes."
Just about everyone who has ever heard of myostatin has dreamed of the day when it could be inhibited, so the pressure to release CSP-3 is tremendous.
We know CSP-3 is safe and it works, so why not go ahead and manufacture it?
At this point, I believe delaying public access solely to gain more knowledge just wouldn't be the right thing to do. So, I've decided to release the product now, but we have a pretty big problem to overcome:
CSP-3 is contained in a remarkably rare and temperamental strain of cultured Cystoseira, which makes commercial production impossible without the use of our precisely controlled, hydroponic farm to maintain ideal growing conditions. This means that, until we find a way around the situation, supplies are going to be extremely limited.
This limitation, coupled with the outrageous demand that's already exploding for CSP-3, will result in a shortage of the material. Remember, we can't just use regular Cystoseira. We have to grow, harvest, and extract a special strain that's specifically cultured to yield super-high concentrations of CSP-3.
So once you begin taking CSP-3, you should make sure you have enough to last at least two months before you start. You need to use CSP-3 a minimum of 60 days to begin seeing the effects, and if you don't have enough on hand, you very well could run out and not be able to get additional supplies for several weeks. We'll do the best we can to maintain adequate inventory levels, but I guarantee, we'll run out from time to time. It's inevitable.
I'm not just telling you this so that we can sell more CSP-3, either. It's no different than if you were to completely shut off the myostatin gene; it would take at least a couple of months before you'd begin to notice the effects. So unless you're truly committed to sticking with the program and using CSP-3 for a minimum of two months, don't begin taking it. Don't waste your money or our very limited supply of CSP-3.
But if you want to completely revolutionize your physique, make no mistake about it, binding and thus inhibiting myostatin is very powerful medicine that produces three incredible effects that nothing else can deliver:
Formation of New Muscle. Instead of causing muscles to grow larger through hypertrophy, you're actually forming brand-new muscle cells that will develop and incorporate into existing, mature muscle. And the longer you take CSP-3 (inhibit myostatin), the more new muscle mass you'll accumulate. Imagine that, actually accumulating muscle! Also, by increasing the actual number of muscle cells, the rate at which you actually grow will begin to accelerate over time, resulting in bigger and much faster gains!
Permanent Muscle Gains. Most of the time, gaining muscle is at best, three steps forward and two steps backward. This is because you're increasing muscle mass in a hyper-anabolic environment (in the body), which can't be sustained ad infinitum. Newly formed muscle cells, on the other hand, are permanent. This doesn't mean that the resulting muscle mass can't atrophy, but it does mean it can't disappear. It's for keeps!
Automatic Decrease in Body Fat. All of the animal studies show that decreased myostatin levels result in a lot less body fat. In fact, the study I mentioned earlier shows that animals with lower myostatin levels have anywhere from 33-50% less body fat, regardless of diet! Researchers indicate that this may be due to increased insulin sensitivity in skeletal muscle that's brought about by low levels of myostatin.
Bottom line, if you neutralize the effects of myostatin long enough, you can literally attain a much more-muscular, and leaner, condition that otherwise wouldn't be possible.
Of course, to maximize results, you have to eat optimally for gaining muscle mass and train hard. I can't stress this point enough. You can't just take a pill — any pill or injection, or anything else, for that matter — and get the physique you want. You have to work hard at it, be disciplined, and give it time.
And something else many of you are already thinking that should be mentioned is, if you include powerful anabolic compounds, like MAG-10, the entire building process is substantially accelerated. Binding myostatin in a super-anabolic environment is the way to go if you want maximum gains in the shortest amount of time. So, if you can afford it, I recommend that you go through a two-week MAG-10 cycle at least once every six weeks while using CSP-3.
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BIOTEST are the biggest liars in the industry.
exhibit A:
(http://www.a1nutrition.com/g/graphics/products/biotest/myostat.jpg)
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What a scam!
Isn't that the company behind t-nation?
AFAIK even pharmacy corps like Wyeth haven't found a practical(!) myostatin blocker, even after more than 5 years of research.
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back in the day i loved the hi-protein peanut butter bar made by bob hoffman personally at the york barbell co. just the right mixture of peanut butter,sweat, sawdust and dirt very delious and nutrious also.
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just because it tastes "good" doesnt mean it's nutritious or as potent as claimed on the label...chew some buble gum or candies and it's as "potent" as most powders with the same taste.
i bought ON protein powders and creatine for 4 years , every 6 months off bbing.com, until i figured that it didnt do anything for my gains: lifting more often and eating more solid food and especially uping my carb intakes actually did lol.
Creatine though did "work" somehow: it makes you retain water and gives you more energy for your workouts, but once you stop it you piss all the water retention down the toilet over some weeks and it gave me weird urinal troubles after some months of "use".
I dont buy any sup anymore.
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What a scam!
Isn't that the company behind t-nation?
AFAIK even pharmacy corps like Wyeth haven't found a practical(!) myostatin blocker, even after more than 5 years of research.
yep - cvnts, twinks and liars the lot of them >:(
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Anybody remember that "Sten" or whatever that used Ruhl and that other german bodybuilder for it's ads? They had one running on traintracks...It came in packets...my parents use the box for storage now.
I think that was Stenandiol or something like that.
I remember the ads, never took the stuff though.
The German BBer you're talking about was/is Armin Scholz:
http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?board=76.0
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HMB is like the poster boy for supplement scams. Ironically it has some scientific data showing it does something, unlike the majority of sports supplements. Layne Norton I think has said it can help. It activates mTor if I remember correctly (among other things), just like Leucine. I defy anyone to swear they notice something from Leucine supplementation. Despite not having any effects you can definitely feel it's huge in the supplement world, and has been for years. As well as protein research, where it's shown to drive protein synthesis.
I realize that my report is anecdotal, but I find that I keep more muscle/density while dieting while taking HMB. It was my understanding that its primary function was as an anti-catabolic, so I think people are disappointed when they don't see huge anabolic-like effects.
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I think that was Stenandiol or something like that.
I remember the ads, never took the stuff though.
The German BBer you're talking about was/is Armin Scholz:
http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?board=76.0
That stuff worked but it also gave me BACKNE and four months of Accutane. >:( It worked
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hey sorry but a bunch of innocent folks have to get scammed so that Bob Chic can live like a rock star.
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I think a certain jug of egg whites with a muscular chicken on the label that goes for around $33 belongs in this category.
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I realize that my report is anecdotal, but I find that I keep more muscle/density while dieting while taking HMB. It was my understanding that its primary function was as an anti-catabolic, so I think people are disappointed when they don't see huge anabolic-like effects.
HMB increases intra-muscular fat. its given to cattle to increase the marbling in steaks. it 'works', but it's not necessarily something that a bodybuilder would want.
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wonder what supplement started it all? Hoffman's Energol, which was just an oil high in vitamin E. and it probably really did make a difference, because most people at the time were not getting enough vitamin E in their diet.
But the biggest scam was probably Boron. A single scientific study in a peer reviewed journal showed that boron supplementation increased testosterone levels in post-menopausal women who had boron deficiencies, and for the next 20 years, wanna-be bodybuilders were buying it from the back of the magazines.
(http://musclememory.com/ads/boron.JPG)
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here is one of my favorites, right click for full effect
(http://musclememory.com/ads/seaProtein_sh6703.JPG)
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Anybody remember that "Sten" or whatever that used Ruhl and that other german bodybuilder for it's ads? They had one running on traintracks...It came in packets...my parents use the box for storage now.
sure i remember sten ... ;D (http://www.atlantis-pharma.com/site/images/fotos/productos/sten.jpg)
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(http://www.microtech-nz.com/images/l_cybergenics.gif)
I was thinking that ;D
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Brutal Mass Stack. by frozen ::) , Muscle tech in general, they hav a new supp out every other week,
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What supps do you guys take now, for real? I don't even bother with protein powder anymore, just have a big glass of milk and a sandwich shortly after working out. This decision is probably costing my upwards of 0.11 kg of muscle mass per year but whatever.
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the supplement business is a big scam.
most supplements make no difference for bodybuilding purposes and/or are overrpriced junk that is just a waste of money. food should always be the base. and please dont eat food you dont like, there is absolutely no reason to force feed yourself with food you dont like. dont be one of those people who live on plain and dry chicken breast.
creatin ok(regular creatine monohydrat..dont waste money on more so called 'advanced creatine'), multis ok, protein powder..ok if your lazy and it can be convenient, BCAA or EAA. maybe ok, .probably a waste of money as long as you get your daily macros (jury is still out on if EAA use really translates to any noticable real world results as long as you get enough protein overall). maybe extra useful when dieting. carboydrate powders? = garbage unless you are an endurance athlete and/or lift more than once per day...basically just sugar..empty calories, better to eat something more filling and nutritious . fish oil, ok.
focus on getting enough protein, carbs, and fat from regular food.
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Thanks for the thread summary!
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Thanks for the thread summary!
yw ;)
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the supplement business is a big scam.
most supplements make no difference for bodybuilding purposes and/or are overrpriced junk that is just a waste of money. food should always be the base. and please dont eat food you dont like, there is absolutely no reason to force feed yourself with food you dont like. dont be one of those people who live on plain and dry chicken breast.
creatin ok(regular creatine monohydrat..dont waste money on more so called 'advanced creatine'), multis ok, protein powder..ok if your lazy and it can be convenient, BCAA or EAA. maybe ok, .probably a waste of money as long as you get your daily macros (jury is still out on if EAA use really translates to any noticable real world results as long as you get enough protein overall). maybe extra useful when dieting. carboydrate powders? = garbage unless you are an endurance athlete and/or lift more than once per day...basically just sugar..empty calories, better to eat something more filling and nutritious . fish oil, ok.
focus on getting enough protein, carbs, and fat from regular food.
are you saying that bodybuilders who pitch the sale of supplements are bigger scam artists and lowlifes than tv evangelists?
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are you saying that bodybuilders who pitch the sale of supplements are bigger scam artists and lowlifes than tv evangelists?
the whole pro bodybuilding circus is financed with money from outright scamming. just look at the bodybuilding magazines...full of bullshit ads and with alot of bs info, , you can get better info online for zero dollars. bodybuilders i dont blame them really. problem is that the market isnt regulated, blame the big guys not the pros.
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What supps do you guys take now, for real? I don't even bother with protein powder anymore, just have a big glass of milk and a sandwich shortly after working out. This decision is probably costing my upwards of 0.11 kg of muscle mass per year but whatever.
Milk contains only 4-5% protein.
The only reason that I choose powders is that they are the most compact protein sources. Eating +1kg of chicken/meat a day isn't an option for me, so I combine powders with solid foods.
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Milk contains only 4-5% protein.
The only reason that I choose for powders is that they are the most compact protein sources. Eating +1kg of chicken/meat a day isn't a option for me, so I combine powders with solid foods.
it doesnt matter in the context you quoted. ( a glass of milk+sandwich as a post workout meal....which happens to be an excellent post workout meal)
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it doesnt matter in the context you quoted. ( a glass of milk+sandwich as a post workout meal....which happens to be an excellent post workout meal)
Problem with milk is that not everyone can digest it (lack of the enzyme lactate to break down lactose), you need at least a liter for enough protein (OK, how much you need after training is debatable) and that it contains a slow acting protein (casein) which is more suitable as a last meal of the day. Some whey protein would be more efficient.
Don't see me as a typical supplement guy, I try to use them smart.
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Another scam supplement I remember from back in the day is CHROMIUM...didn't do shit...and another one that i still see today is CARNITINE..and I remember buying small bottles of SMILAX for $35.00 a bottle...wow was I taken to the cleaners...the owner of the store would pump me up to buy it..I guess he was in on the scam as well...when he would see me with it he would comment to me.."boy I guess you are going to sleep with two women tonight"..this would make me believe that this shit actually worked and it would boost my test levels....boy was I taken for a ride.
embarassing
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Problem with milk is that not everyone can digest it (lack of the enzyme lactate to break down lactose), you need at least a liter for enough protein (OK, how much you need after training is debatable) and that it contains a slow acting protein (casein) which is more suitable as a last meal of the day. Some whey protein would be more efficient.
Don't see me as a typical supplement guy, I try to use them smart.
yes, milk can cause problems for some people but milk has taken alot of crap from people who dont know what they are talking about (not refering to you ;) ). milk is a good source of protein and is high quality food.
after training 20-25g of protein is plenty straight after to do its magic. so one or two glasses of milk + sandwich is enough after workout. (specially if you eat another meal later..which is a good idea)
milk contains mostly casein..but also 20% whey. not that i think it matters much at all, as most important thing is that you get enough protein and calories at the end of the day.
people obsess about alot of unecessary details. but sure if you have a hard time (often due to poor food choice in my opinion) to get enough protein from regular food then yeah protein powder can be useful.
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Back in 1999, I was about to graduate college. I had a jug of pure creatine, I was going to sell it, so to make it seem like it was a full jug, I put sugar in it...afew yrs later Muscletech comes up with Celltech...which was basically sugar (Dextrose) with Creatine. They should pay me for that bright idea! >:(
You are the Father of the Insulin Spike - your brilliant idea helped supplement companies put tons and tons of muscle on bodybuilders world wide. You should be gettin' paid mad money, yo!
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..and I remember buying small bottles of SMILAX for $35.00 a bottle...wow was I taken to the cleaners...the owner of the store would pump me up to buy it..I guess he was in on the scam as well...when he would see me with it he would comment to me.."boy I guess you are going to sleep with two women tonight"..this would make me believe that this shit actually worked and it would boost my test levels....boy was I taken for a ride.
embarassing
Sounds like the supp store owner was a pretty shrewd businessman. ;D
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I don't know how Biotest managed to stay in business after Patterson and Louma showed the world what they really looked like. It was obvious at that point that the claims of the supps making them huge and ripped were shown to have been blatant bs.
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What supps do you guys take now, for real? I don't even bother with protein powder anymore, just have a big glass of milk and a sandwich shortly after working out. This decision is probably costing my upwards of 0.11 kg of muscle mass per year but whatever.
I don't take nothing either, never have. Of course it might cost you, but what isn't? Lack of sleep, walking up the stairs, non optimal training...there will be always variables that aren't just perfect, and I think nutrition is the least of your worries if you eat sensibly.
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Hall of Shame Entry #5: Chromium Picolinate
While one of the less offensive entries to this series... (Chromium is fairly cheap), it deserves a mention nonetheless. About 15-16 years ago I remember in some quarters of the Bodybuilding community they were preaching this supp as the next great revolution in the industry. Of course all the hype was for naught, as it did absolutly nothing for anyone....
As it turns out, small quantities of chromium are needed for glucose utilization by insulin in normal health, but deficiency is extremely rare and has only been observed in hospital patients on long-term defined diets.
Chromium =Fail.
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HMB increases intra-muscular fat. its given to cattle to increase the marbling in steaks. it 'works', but it's not necessarily something that a bodybuilder would want.
(Taken From Wikipedia)
β-Hydroxy β-methylbutyric acid (HMB), or β-hydroxy β-methylbutyrate, is a metabolite of the essential amino acid leucine and is synthesized in the human body. It plays a part in protein synthesis and was discovered by Dr. Steven L. Nissen at Iowa State University. It has been used in scientific studies to purportedly increase muscle mass and decrease muscle breakdown. However, Nissen held the original patent on the metabolite as a nutritional supplement. It was discovered in pigs and small quantities can also be found in grapefruit, alfalfa, and catfish. As a supplement it is usually sold as a calcium salt.[2]
Research published in the Journal of Applied Physiology has shown that HMB may have an effect on increasing muscle weight and strength.[3] A review in Nutrition & Metabolism provides an in depth and objective analysis of HMB research. [4] The same study lists as HMBs proposed mechanisms of action the following:
Increased sarcolemmal integrity via conversion to HMG-CoA
Enhanced protein synthesis via the mTOR pathway
Depression of protein degradation through inhibition of the ubiquitin pathway
Three grams of HMB per day may help muscles combat protein breakdown, assist in muscle repair and support increased endurance. Studies suggest its benefits may be greater for the untrained. Also, well-controlled scientific studies have found increases in muscle mass and decreases in body fat in 70 year old men. It has helped patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease in hospital intensive care units, muscle wasting associated with HIV or AIDS and with cancer, and trauma victims with severe injuries.[citation needed]
The human body produces about 0.2-0.4 grams per day. Standard doses in research studies have been 1.5 to 3.0 grams per day, usually divided into two doses.
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(http://www.star-line.co.jp/a2/si11/vanadyl.jpg) AND (http://www.vitafit.ca/images/HMBEAS.jpg) both supps were shite and absolute garbage. >:(
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Ahh yes... Vanandal Sulfate was crap... Supposedly it helped increase vascularity... I never saw, or heard anything good about it.
Didn't Dave Fisher try pimping that for a long time?
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Ahh yes... Vanandal Sulfate was crap... Supposedly it helped increase vascularity... I never saw, or heard anything good about it.
Didn't Dave Fisher try pimping that for a long time?
The old SportsPharma. I used that when I was clean at 20 and that shit worked. It had something. The old Phosphagen was great too. It was around 96
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End of motherfucking thread
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End of motherfucking thread
Did you ever try that? I never met anyone that did, but I remember years of seeing it plasterd in magazine ad's.
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End of motherfucking thread
Haha best labeling ever!
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Did you ever try that? I never met anyone that did, but I remember years of seeing it plasterd in magazine ad's.
If i tell you a know a friend that had a friend who used it, would you still belive it was me ?
and yes that was expensive garbage !
WOOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!
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hmmm I was under the assumption those actually worked. I never took them but my friend did and he liked them. Those are the andro "poppers" right?
Yes I took andro poppers and they didn't do shit!
i also took the biotest shit lol I do not believe all their supplements are bad though!
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End of motherfucking thread
This thread makes me wonder how much money that i have spent on shitty supps. "The Beast"...hahaha
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sergio oliva lived on hot dogs and coca cola...
high volume/ pretty heavy training, calories, sleep and lots of milligrams are what count.
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sergio oliva lived on hot dogs and coca cola...
high volume/ pretty heavy training, calories, sleep and lots of D-Bol are what count.
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What a lot of people are not realizing here is that the consumers really drive the sale and production of a lot of these products. As is the case with any other consumer-based industry. What the masses buy and respond to, the more of it gets put out there.
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What a lot of people are not realizing here is that the consumers really drive the sale and production of a lot of these products. As is the case with any other consumer-based industry. What the masses buy and respond to, the more of it gets put out there.
i think most people understand this. if someone didnt buy the junk they wouldnt be able to put so much money into their scam marketing etc
that people are dumb enough to buy the stuff doesnt meen that supplement companies should have carte blanche to continue with their scamming. the supplement market needs much more regulation to weed out all the bs.
but i think that people will never stop looking for the magic supplement, or the magic routine. they look for magic instead of learning the boring basics. hard work and continuity is much more boring than some magic supplement that claims it will put 20lbs on you in 6 weeks. (which is only possible via hormonization)
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Did anyone try Twinlabs ZMA guaranteed to increase testosterone production by 400%. Or my favorite Mythoxy Pro gain 20 lbs of muscle in a month or your money back....
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Did anyone try Twinlabs ZMA guaranteed to increase testosterone production by 400%. Or my favorite Mythoxy Pro gain 20 lbs of muscle in a month or your money back....
Lol... I like ZMA, It puts me into deep sleeps, and gives me weird/vivid dreams.
I am in no way saying it is worth the $30+ for a bottle however. >:(
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There are still multi-page ads for legalsteroids.com. Really, who the fuck buys this shit?
(http://legalsteroids.com/images/dbolLG.jpg)
(http://legalsteroids.com/images/hardgroup.jpg)
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There are still multi-page ads for legalsteroids.com. Really, who the fuck buys this shit?
(http://legalsteroids.com/images/dbolLG.jpg)
(http://legalsteroids.com/images/hardgroup.jpg)
I have also wondered about that also? WHO??
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yea, Ive been wondering for years if that stuff is legit. And the little before after photo on therir ads is Mark Alvisi
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yea, Ive been wondering for years if that stuff is legit.
Well now you can stop wondering. ;)
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I have also wondered about that also? WHO??
that stuff looks scary with the labels and drug names,what could that stuff possibly due other than placebo,u probably would make better gains on bunk gear than this stuff.
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There are still multi-page ads for legalsteroids.com. Really, who the fuck buys this shit?
(http://legalsteroids.com/images/dbolLG.jpg)
(http://legalsteroids.com/images/hardgroup.jpg)
That would suck to be caught w/ that crap, ppl think your using, and u didnt get anything but a huge RIP OFF! lol
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All of us at one time or another, (if we have the courage to admit it,) have wasted valuable dollars on worthless supplements. The supplements available today, are of course, light-years ahead of the supplements of yesteryear.
Indeed... Todays generation has it quite easy, not having to choke down protein powders that taste like a mix between gasoline, and baking soda, or swallow pills big enough to suffocate a Mule.
As I take a trip down memory lane, I will recall some of the more embarrassing items that were prevalent in the time that I started BBing.
The first entry into the Hall of Shame: "Joe Weider's MEGA MASS 4000!"
Yes... I remember the likes of Lou Ferrigno, Dennis Neuman, Achim Albrecht, and others pimping this crap... I saved up all the money that I made one year mowing lawns, to buy a box, (which I think was around $50.00 or so), only to wonder how I was going to keep choking it down, day after day... I think that the only thing it gave me was Mega amounts of intestinal damage!
More to Come! Feel free to add to this Hall of Supplement shame!
Actually, I'd take this out of the Hall of Shame. I used this and its predecessor, Mega Mass 2000, when I was in college. It helped me most in 1996, allowing me to bulk up from 189 lbs. to 210 lbs. by the end of the semester.
The way I used it, one serving was 10 oz. of powder with water, which came out to approx. 1100 calories: 210 grams of carbs, 55 grams of protein, and 3 grams of fat.
Three of those gave me 3300 calories with 165 grams of protein. I took one between classes in the morning, a second in between my afternoon classes, and the third about 30-45 minutes after training (depending on how long I felt like swimming or using the hot tub).
Mega Mass was hard on the stomach (way too much lactose). But, it was worth it, as far as I was concerned. I didn't care as much for the Giant Mega Mass 4000, because the protein content varied, based on the flavor. Actually, Giant Mega Mass has LESS protein, gram for gram, than (Super) Mega Mass did.
I still have the Muscle & Fitness Bodybuilding preview tape that came with a bag of regular Mega Mass 2000 that I bought. I lost, however, the one with Troy Zuccolotto, Flex Wheeler, Francis Benfatto, and Nasser El Sonbaty (Super Mega Mass 2000).
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He also had a meltdown a few years back... Which can be read about here:
http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=19059_hotsuff.jpg
Got the other half?
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hey pals, supplements dont work
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I saved up all the money that I made one year mowing lawns, to buy a box, (which I think was around $50.00 or so),
What did you charge per lawn, 50 cents?
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i think most people understand this. if someone didnt buy the junk they wouldnt be able to put so much money into their scam marketing etc
that people are dumb enough to buy the stuff doesnt meen that supplement companies should have carte blanche to continue with their scamming. the supplement market needs much more regulation to weed out all the bs.
but i think that people will never stop looking for the magic supplement, or the magic routine. they look for magic instead of learning the boring basics. hard work and continuity is much more boring than some magic supplement that claims it will put 20lbs on you in 6 weeks. (which is only possible via hormonization)
Not necessarily. The only "magic" supplement that I've used that could possibly do that is creatine. And, more than likely, it would have to be with someone who have never before used it in his life and LOADS with it for the first time.
The first time I loaded with creatine (Phosphagen HP) in 1996, I put on 7 lbs. in a week and 12 lbs. in 21/2weeks. Suffice it to say, I have NEVER replicated those results since then.
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still nothing wrong with good ole whey protein and a preworkout drink like NO-xplode
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awesome thread!
the original Cell-Tech was a shit tonne of over priced sugar and some creatine monohydrate
how 5 lbs of sugar managed to taste so aweful still confounds me :(
Creatine products were expensive PERIOD in the mid-90s. At first, a 300-gram bottle of plain creatine powder ran you AT LEAST $50.
When products like Phosphagen HP and Cell-Tech hit the market, the price of regular creatine DROPPED drastically.
As for Cell-Tech's palatability, the only one I've found that tastes terrible is the Orange flavor. The rest are pretty good. But, my guess is that the ALA is responsible for the assault on your taste buds.
Creatine works better with simple carbs, not to mention that plain creatine (or creatine, taken with just water) is absolutely VILE!! That's why folks used to take creatine with grape juice, back in the day.
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I loved these cans, they were tasty as fuck but pricey
(http://www.a1nutrition.com/g/graphics/products/instone/protein_pudding.jpg)
Mass Tech haha i was "hooked" on it!
(http://sportsnutrition.drewzon.com/images/choc%20mass%20tech.JPG)
And cLASSIC! russian bear 5000!!!!!! :-X :-X :-\ :-\ :-\
(http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/images/catalog/skus/l_vp-1014.png)
(http://www.atomicathletic.com/store/images/products/russian.jpg)
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I loved these cans, they were tasty as fuck but pricey
(http://www.a1nutrition.com/g/graphics/products/instone/protein_pudding.jpg)
Mass Tech haha i was "hooked" on it!
(http://sportsnutrition.drewzon.com/images/choc%20mass%20tech.JPG)
And cLASSIC! russian bear 5000!!!!!! :-X :-X :-\ :-\ :-\
(http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/images/catalog/skus/l_vp-1014.png)
(http://www.atomicathletic.com/store/images/products/russian.jpg)
After eating Sylvester Stallone's pudding, I had a strange desire to get a corny tattoo, wear Ed Hardy clothes, and have sex with 16 year old girls. Quite strange really
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I loved these cans, they were tasty as fuck but pricey
(http://www.a1nutrition.com/g/graphics/products/instone/protein_pudding.jpg)
Mass Tech haha i was "hooked" on it!
(http://sportsnutrition.drewzon.com/images/choc%20mass%20tech.JPG)
And cLASSIC! russian bear 5000!!!!!! :-X :-X :-\ :-\ :-\
(http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/images/catalog/skus/l_vp-1014.png)
(http://www.atomicathletic.com/store/images/products/russian.jpg)
I actually got some of that pudding on clearance at GNC for $0.49 per can. The banana-flavored ones were quite delicious.
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I actually got some of that pudding on clearance at GNC for $0.49 per can. The banana-flavored ones were quite delicious.
Its was pretty tasty to be honest. I only tried vanilla.
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I would pay like $3 for these real little energy drinks just because they had ginseng and a bunch of other crap in them.
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I would pay like $3 for these real little energy drinks just because they had ginseng and a bunch of other crap in them.
yeah i used to drink those kinda drinks and red bulls like 10 years ago,..nowdays i dont feel the urge to spend money on expensive sugar water ;D
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Just eat food,all supps are basically useless.
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I would pay like $3 for these real little energy drinks just because they had ginseng and a bunch of other crap in them.
I use to buy three cases of Blue Thunder, Mass Recovery and XXL'S every month. AAB products. Damn, i could really use all that money now. :D
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Actually, I'd take this out of the Hall of Shame. I used this and its predecessor, Mega Mass 2000, when I was in college. It helped me most in 1996, allowing me to bulk up from 189 lbs. to 210 lbs. by the end of the semester.
The way I used it, one serving was 10 oz. of powder with water, which came out to approx. 1100 calories: 210 grams of carbs, 55 grams of protein, and 3 grams of fat.
Three of those gave me 3300 calories with 165 grams of protein. I took one between classes in the morning, a second in between my afternoon classes, and the third about 30-45 minutes after training (depending on how long I felt like swimming or using the hot tub).
Mega Mass was hard on the stomach (way too much lactose). But, it was worth it, as far as I was concerned. I didn't care as much for the Giant Mega Mass 4000, because the protein content varied, based on the flavor. Actually, Giant Mega Mass has LESS protein, gram for gram, than (Super) Mega Mass did.
I still have the Muscle & Fitness Bodybuilding preview tape that came with a bag of regular Mega Mass 2000 that I bought. I lost, however, the one with Troy Zuccolotto, Flex Wheeler, Francis Benfatto, and Nasser El Sonbaty (Super Mega Mass 2000).
I see you are still the apologist for the supp companies, eh McWay?
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I use to buy three cases of Blue Thunder, Mass Recovery and XXL'S every month. AAB products. Damn, i could really use all that money now. :D
I think I have blown more cash on ABB supplements then anyone. I think I have been buying bottles of ripped force sine the mid 90s...lol... not to mention sometimes buying Blue Thunder/Protein shakes for post workout. For me its just the convienance...Its better then spending the time to mess around with mixing powders at home, and always having a shaker cup handy, (which I seem to lose them the moment I get them).
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Weight Gainer 2500 in delicious strawberry. As the proverbial 120 pound weakling my strength coach put me on this stuff. I took it religiously every morning for a week only to have it erupt like a pretty pink volcano from my stomach on the way to work every morning. After a week of this I was finally bright enough to start taking half or a third of it but by then I reacted much the same way I do to MadDog 2020 in the orange jubilee flavor. Not very well. :-X
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A few drops of this and it will enter the muscle faster than regular creatine, I swear!
It tasted AWESOME though...
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LOL it did taste pretty good. wow..forgot about that stuff.
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Took it before football games in High School ;D
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LMAO OMG....now I feel old. lol. I used to do the same thing before games...wow man. LOL.
this is back when so called protein bars and such tasted like vitamin laffy taffy mixed with sand...rubbery as hell. The stuff now taste like snickers bars. lol
how about that old school vitamin power pack. All horse sized tabs...all of em. lol
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The Emelianenkos fell for it too :D
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Creatine works better with simple carbs, not to mention that plain creatine (or creatine, taken with just water) is absolutely VILE!! That's why folks used to take creatine with grape juice, back in the day.
I thought the grape juice was for the "insulin spike" it provided to promote anabolism (Zulak reccommended a serving of high protein MesoTech about 45 minutes later), shuttle the creatine into the muscle cells, and stave off catabolism either from hard training or from sleeping 8+ hours without any nutrients? The idea was to drink the creatine / grape juice mixture first thing in the morning or right after completing the last set of the workout. Of course Cell Tech made the need for grape juice obsolete, and changed the way we use creatine forever.
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I see you are still the apologist for the supp companies, eh McWay?
This coming from the guy who brags about buying Cell-Tech, cheap (even more than I do)?
I see supplements for what they are. In the particular case of Mega Mass 2000, it's a weight gainer, simply a concentrated form of food. I used it in the mid-90s, along with my diet and it helped me gain size and strength.
Did it make me Mr. Universe? No. But, it help put on 21 lbs., when my goal was simply to gain 11.
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I use to buy three cases of Blue Thunder, Mass Recovery and XXL'S every month. AAB products. Damn, i could really use all that money now. :D
I still buy those. But not by the case. In fact, I just got some XXLs, which were marked down to $0.99 each.
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I still buy those. But not by the case. In fact, I just got some XXLs, which were marked down to $0.99 each.
I paid like $3 or $4 for those each! They are so convenient though and taste so good.
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I paid like $3 or $4 for those each! They are so convenient though and taste so good.
Indeed! I would take an ABB sponsership! All they would have to do is hook me up with free cases whenever I wanted! :D
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The Emelianenkos fell for it too :D
fighters want to be bodybuilders, bodybuilders want to be fighters
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I bought some protein powder at the grocery store today for the first time in about five years. What sort of side effects should I anticipate?
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I bought some protein powder at the grocery store today for the first time in about five years. What sort of side effects should I anticipate?
Looking like Markus Ruhl ;D
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Should I consider any PCT when I go "off"?
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I still buy those. But not by the case. In fact, I just got some XXLs, which were marked down to $0.99 each.
Are those still around? I remember them costing around $3-4 back then.
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Are those still around? I remember them costing around $3-4 back then.
Ask the owner of your gym that you belong to. Europa provides them, atleast that is what i have always been told or you have to own a Gym, GNC, Vitamin Shoppe,...etc
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does anybody still spend money on creatine?
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does anybody still spend money on creatine?
Cell-Mass and Size on, does that count?? :D
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Cell-Mass and Size on, does that count?? :D
Probably better off just buying/using plain creatine monohydrate.
This thread brings me back. I remember playing hockey in highschool and a dude from the team would give us a couple scoops of this orange Tang looking stuff in our water-bottles before the game. (Ultimate Orange) Our games were usually around 8 or 9pm on weekends and we'd wonder why we wouldn't get to sleep until 8am the next day.
I distinctly remember the guy who first introduced us to Ultimate Orange saying verbatim...
" try this shit, it gives you more energy than Gatorade! "
If I Could Turn Back Time...
.. I would buy a supply of Animal CUTS, Animal TEST, MHP T Bomb, Ultimate Orange and Xenadrine.
I can't believe hese companies these days trying to sell us caffiene with arginine in deliscious fruit punch flavor for the ultimate pre-workout energy. How dare they!
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Are those still around? I remember them costing around $3-4 back then.
I just picked those up last week at GNC, while at the mall (looking for Christmas presents for my wife and daughter).
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anything by EAS
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Probably better off just buying/using plain creatine monohydrate.
This thread brings me back. I remember playing hockey in highschool and a dude from the team would give us a couple scoops of this orange Tang looking stuff in our water-bottles before the game. (Ultimate Orange) Our games were usually around 8 or 9pm on weekends and we'd wonder why we wouldn't get to sleep until 8am the next day.
I distinctly remember the guy who first introduced us to Ultimate Orange saying verbatim...
" try this shit, it gives you more energy than Gatorade! "
If I Could Turn Back Time...
.. I would buy a supply of Animal CUTS, Animal TEST, MHP T Bomb, Ultimate Orange and Xenadrine.
I can't believe hese companies these days trying to sell us caffiene with arginine in deliscious fruit punch flavor for the ultimate pre-workout energy. How dare they!
- Block.
I'm pretty sure if the real ultimate orange was around most of us would have had a heart attack or two. That shit was lethal, but DAMN GOOD!
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does anybody still spend money on creatine?
Yep!! But, plain creatine is dirt cheap. A 250-gram bottle of GNC Creatine Monohydrate costs me $7.
As I said earlier, 15 years ago, a bottle of plain creatine of that size (or a more typical 300-gram bottle) would have run you AT LEAST $50. Now you can get TWICE as much creatine for a third of that price and get a free T-Shirt (if you get Prolab's version, that is ;D ).
It's because of all these upgraded creatine products that creatine monohydrate is now so inexpensive. Again, when Phosphagen HP hit the market, Phosphagen dropped in price. And, when MuscleTech hit the stores with Cell-Tech, the price of its old creatine product (Creatine 6000-ES, which often went over $60), plummeted by 50-75%.
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I'm pretty sure if the real ultimate orange was around most of us would have had a heart attack or two. That shit was lethal, but DAMN GOOD!
I tried that back in '96, as well. That mess felt as if someone applied a vice grip on my head, while blasting me in the face with a turbo-charged hair dryer.
That, coupled with my right arm, wiggling involuntary (while I'm on the bus, traveling to the gym, shortly after taking the product), told me that Ultimate Orange was the ultimate no-no for me.
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Yep!! But, plain creatine is dirt cheap. A 250-gram bottle of GNC Creatine Monohydrate costs me $7.
As I said earlier, 15 years ago, a bottle of plain creatine of that size (or a more typical 300-gram bottle) would have run you AT LEAST $50. Now you can get TWICE as much creatine for a third of that price and get a free T-Shirt (if you get Prolab's version, that is ;D ).
It's because of all these upgraded creatine products that creatine monohydrate is now so inexpensive. Again, when Phosphagen HP hit the market, Phosphagen dropped in price. And, when MuscleTech hit the stores with Cell-Tech, the price of its old creatine product (Creatine 6000-ES, which often went over $60), plummeted by 50-75%.
do you own/run a GNC store?
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anything by EAS
Myoplex was the first shake I ever took in my life!!! Tasted goooooood!
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do you own/run a GNC store?
Of course not!!
Why would I own or run a GNC store and brag about marked-down supplements (which would equal a FINANCIAL LOSS, were I a proprietor of such an establishment)?
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Myoplex was the first shake I ever took in my life!!! Tasted goooooood!
Lucky you! Mine was Weider's Dynamic Weight Gainer.
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