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Civil Rights Panel Subpoenas Justice Department in New Black Panthers Case
The United States Civil Rights Commission, an eight-member agency that investigates accusations of discrimination, has launched a new offensive against a most unusual target: the Justice Department.
The commission is investigating why the Justice Department dropped charges in May against three members of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense in a voter intimidation case that the government won.
The Justice Department has defended its actions, saying it obtained an injunction against one member while dismissing charges against the others "based on a careful assessment of the facts and the law."
But that explanation hasn't satisfied the commission or Republican lawmakers, who say the dismissal could lead to an escalation of voter intimidation.
Three members of the radical group were accused of trying to threaten voters and block poll and campaign workers by the threat of force in November 2008 -- one even brandishing what prosecutors call a deadly weapon.
Full Story: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/20/civil-rights-panel-subpoenas-justice-department-new-black-panthers-case/
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The Black Kitties should be considered a racist, criminal gang just like any other organization where people gather to promote their race.
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The Black Kitties should be considered a racist, criminal gang just like any other organization where people gather to promote their race.
I believe it was Billy who was pointing this out in another thread, but you never hear about these guys getting charged with a race crime. It's always just a "crime". Of course, if a couple of white guys beat up a panther...
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I believe it was Billy who was pointing this out in another thread, but you never hear about these guys getting charged with a race crime. It's always just a "crime". Of course, if a couple of white guys beat up a panther...
Were these voters, poll workers and campaign workers who they are alledged to have intimidated all one race?
Were these alledged crimes precipitated by their race? Why were charges dropped? These are legitimate questions to which I hope those with an interest receive clear answer? as we can see... civil rights, and civil rights commissions are there to ensure the civil rights of ALL.
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Why were they dropped? 2 words... Eric Holder. need i say more?
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I saw this in person in King S. Carolina. Black panthers were standing in front of the buildings with batons in hand. They would stop every single race except black people that tried to walk up and ask them if they were voting black. If you said no they would try to block the door, and then follow you around like they were fixing to beat you or something.
If it wasnt a race motivated issue, then why were they asking non blacks if they were voting black instead of for obama?
If this wasnt race related howcome black panthers were not standind outside the voting booths for dems like gore, kerry, and clinton, they were dems just like obama? More double standards!!!!!!!!!!! imagine if the kkk was standing in front of voting booths asking blacks if they were voting white, while holding batons and blocking doors. the shit would have hit the fan.. nobody can deny that
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Were these voters, poll workers and campaign workers who they are alledged to have intimidated all one race?
Were these alledged crimes precipitated by their race? Why were charges dropped? These are legitimate questions to which I hope those with an interest receive clear answer? as we can see... civil rights, and civil rights commissions are there to ensure the civil rights of ALL.
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Look it up on yourtube fool. How many poll watchers stand in front of a polling place with billy clubs?
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I saw this in person in King S. Carolina. Black panthers were standing in front of the buildings with batons in hand. They would stop every single race except black people that tried to walk up and ask them if they were voting black. If you said no they would try to block the door, and then follow you around like they were fixing to beat you or something.
If it wasnt a race motivated issue, then why were they asking non blacks if they were voting black instead of for obama?
I'm sorry you experienced that? :'( As an aside, since you're in one piece, ...should we take it you voted black? :D
imagine if the kkk was standing in front of voting booths asking blacks if they were voting white, while holding batons and blocking doors. the shit would have hit the fan.. nobody can deny that
I don't have to imagine it, ...I can look it up in the archives of modern American history, or any George Wallace bio.
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I'm sorry you experienced that? :'( As an aside, since you're in one piece, ...should we take it you voted black? :D
I don't have to imagine it, ...I can look it up in the archives of modern American history, or any George Wallace bio.
Two wrongs dont make a right.
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no i didnt vote there i voted where i lived, i was just visiting. i heard about it on the radio and couldnt believe it so i went and watched this , it went on all day
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Two wrongs dont make a right.
but three left turns will. :D Obama 2008, Obama 2012, and Eric Holder 2016!
Just kidding. You're so cute when you go all red in the face, and start frothing at the mouth,
...and your head looks like it's about to explode off your shoulders. HA! Let's find out why charges were dropped.
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If it wasnt a race motivated issue, then why were they asking non blacks if they were voting black instead of for obama? If they are such supporters of the dem party where were they at for gore, kerry , and the clintons?
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but three left turns will. :D Obama 2008, Obama 2012, and Eric Holder 2016!
Just kidding. You're so cute when you go all red in the face, and start frothing at the mouth,
...and your head looks like it's about to explode off your shoulders. HA! Let's find out why charges were dropped.
Whatever, change we can believe in right?
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he just forgot to say what we were changing to
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he just forgot to say what we were changing to
Dang!!! That's twice... and in only one day!!! :o Wanna go for the hat trick? :D
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3rd times a charm
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but three left turns will. :D Obama 2008, Obama 2012, and Eric Holder 2016!
Just kidding. You're so cute when you go all red in the face, and start frothing at the mouth,
...and your head looks like it's about to explode off your shoulders. HA! Let's find out why charges were dropped.
The charges were dropped because Eric Holder and Obama hate whites and think there is nothing wrong with blacks holding weapons at campaign voting halls and yelling "now your going to know what its like to be ruled by a black man cracker"..Imagine if those were Klansmen yelling at blacks.
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The Black Kitties should be considered a racist, criminal gang just like any other organization where people gather to promote their race.
You mean like the klan, skineads, aryan, militia, jewish groups and the US government?...Hmmm.
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yes just like that samson but it always seem to never happen that way, it just gets brushed under the rug when its blacks that are being racist
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yes just like that samson but it always seem to never happen that way, it just gets brushed under the rug when its blacks that are being racist
You wanna be Black for the rest of your life to see the "ease" at which they have living in america?
(http://blackincense.com/myPictures/Alladins_lamp.jpg)
Rub this lamp and ask the genie to grant you that wish... Report back to us after a year how your life is going.
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in todays day and age of equality no body treated these black panthers and what they were doing equal to how society would have treated the kkk for doing that in front of voting booths , , like i said before if these black panthers and the people that supported their presence there claim there was no race driven motive of their presence and that they were supporting their party then how come we never saw them at booths supporting gore, kerry, and the clintons? and why were they asking if people were voting black rather than democtratic or for obama? OH but thats not seen as racist huh??????
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blacks have it no more difficult than any other race, hell once i took a test for a job and blacks got a curve on it so that they could miss more questions than me but still make a higher score, how is that not better treatment???
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You mean like the klan, skineads, Caucasian, militia, jewish groups and the US government?...Hmmm.
No the crips ,the bloods,the black panthers,the black muslims,the blacxk isrealites and Obama and his gang of racists.
Yes,its very hard to be black in America.Hey,this is 2010,not 1955.Wake up.
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blacks have it no more difficult than any other race, hell once i took a test for a job and blacks got a curve on it so that they could miss more questions than me but still make a higher score, how is that not better treatment???
Geez guy...must you resort to the typical white lying to make yourselves seem smarter, productive, able???
How come white run wall street is in RUINS, white government america is in RUINS, white run business in america is in RUINS and you all are terrified of what the white government is about to bring onto the world. Obviously the WHITE LIE has been revealed. Not only are you NOT better... you are immeasurably WORST and unfortunatley there is no curve or clock to turn back or way to make things better.
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Geez guy...must you resort to the typical white lying to make yourselves seem smarter, productive, able???
How come white run wall street is in RUINS, white government america is in RUINS, white run business in america is in RUINS and you all are terrified of what the white government is about to bring onto the world. Obviously the WHITE LIE has been revealed. Not only are you NOT better... you are immeasurably WORST and unfortunatley there is no curve or clock to turn back or way to make things better.
Here we go - fighting amongst ourselves over nonsense while the govt prepares to destroy our freedom and choices even more.
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No the crips ,the bloods,the black panthers,the black muslims,the blacxk isrealites and Obama and his gang of racists.
Yes,its very hard to be black in America.Hey,this is 2010,not 1955.Wake up.
When anyone of those groups are lynching whites, blowing up churches, attacking protesting whites, control city hall/police, are supported by the Us government then your claim will have validity...otherwise just another white lie.
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Here we go - fighting amongst ourselves over nonsense while the govt prepares to destroy our freedom and choices even more.
Don't worry 3, I am just stepping waaaaay down to his level for a moment to deal with his low level of intelligence and delusions. Unlike him I know what is going to happen to america...he is clueless. So when the UN peacekeepers, foreighn troops, martial law declared, FEMA camps announced etc etc I wanna see how much his racial contempt, mouthing off, wanna be bad ass attitude gets him. He will march into the camp without making a peep and he will see what his so called great america is all about. 2010 is going to usher in some surreal experiences for americans...
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These guys were intimidating voters and an investigation absolutely should have occured.
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this is what happens when whites call blacks out on their racism, we are liars, typical...
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HERE YOU GO SAMSON an example of exactly waht i was talking about the double standard,
Supreme Court rules New Haven discriminated against white firefighters
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June 29, 2009
by Andrew | neoHOUSTON
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This, from the Wall Street Journal, is worth reading in full. For those in a hurry, here are the highlights:
The U.S. Supreme Court, voting 5-4 in a case that has been a lightning rod for high court nominee Sonia Sotomayor, invalidated a Connecticut city’s decision to scrap the results of a firefighter promotion exam in which the white candidates scored better than their black peers.
Justice Anthony Kennedy, writing the court’s opinion, said the city of New Haven violated a section of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that prohibits employment discrimination.
“Whatever the city’s ultimate aim – however well intentioned or benevolent it might have seemed – the city made its employment decision because of race,” Kennedy wrote.
“The city rejected the test results solely because the higher scoring candidates were white.”
Kennedy said an employer cannot throw out an exam unless there is strong evidence that the test harmed minorities. New Haven did not meet this standard, he said.
The court’s four other conservative justices joined Kennedy’s opinion.
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, writing in dissent for the court’s four liberal members, said while she had sympathy for the white firefighters, the court’s decision ignored evidence that the city of New Haven’s promotion exam was flawed and that New Haven correctly responded to the biased results.
“Firefighting is a profession in which the legacy of racial discrimination casts an especially long shadow,” Ginsburg wrote. “I would hold that New Haven had ample cause to believe its selection process was flawed and not justified by business necessity.”
The case rested on the question of whether New Haven acted validly in choosing not to use the test results because the scores meant that no black candidates were eligible for promotion.
A group of white firefighters sued New Haven’s mayor and other officials, arguing that city engaged in unconstitutional race discrimination by blocking their promotions. City officials responded that the test may have discriminated against black test-takers, which could have placed New Haven in violation of federal civil rights laws if it had made promotions based on the test results.
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Ginsburg said the appeals court incorrectly focused on the city’s “intent” to not discriminate rather than focusing on New Haven’s justifications for blocking the promotions. However, she said the city still should have prevailed.
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The case dates back to 2003, when New Haven decided to fill 15 slots for lieutenants and captains in its fire department. The city contracted the test’s creation to a consultant company, who administered the test that fall. The exam consisted of a written, multiple-choice section, which counted for 60% of the total score and an oral assessment, weighted 40%.
Firefighters of all races had passed the test, but not proportionally. Of the 19 firefighters who qualified for a promotion, none were black, though two were Hispanic.
Troubled by the fact that the black firefighters had passed the test at roughly one-half the rate as the white firefighters, the city’s civil service board held five public hearings and ultimately deadlocked on whether to certify the test scores, which resulted in no promotions across the board.
Here’s a simple truth. Racism won’t ever fully go away until we put the past behind us and start thinking of people as people, not as one subset of people or another. The fact is, it is possible at any time that in a room with 10 black people and 10 white people that the 10 black may have worked harder and studied more than the 10 white people. If the black people then do better on a test than the white people, does that mean the test was racist? Why do we think of things differently when the colors are reversed?
I understand cause for concern when the people passing a test are disproportionately members of one group or another. However, it’s the TEST that matters, not the RESULTS. Is the test fair or is it not?
First, look for obvious discrimination. Is there some cultural factor present in the test that puts non-white people at a disadvantage? And how on earth did a culture specific question get into a firefighters’ exam?
If obvious discrimination isn’t present, look for things that aren’t obvious. Are there specific questions that only the white candidates knew the answers to? If so, figure out why, get rid of that question in the future (and confront the person who wrote it!), and don’t count that question for this test. College professors do this all the time, applying ‘curves’ to factor in possibly unfair or confusion questions based on the results of a test.
But if there is no obvious discrimination in the test, and no specific questions that one group knew the answer to and the other didn’t, then there’s no reason to think of the test as racist.
New Haven held five public hearings on the issue and could not decide whether the test was flawed. What that says to me is that they couldn’t find anything specifically wrong with the test, but could not get past the ‘imbalanced’ results that it produced. They felt this way specifically because it was the white people who passed the test. We live in a culture now where we assume that white people are part of some grand racial conspiracy, that racism is so hard-wired into the white population that they cannot help discriminating against others at all times.
This isn’t true, and is in fact a racist thought process. We need to do away with this kind of thinking, and give people the benefit of the doubt. Forgive minor accidental offenses when people genuinely apologize and change their behavior. It should take more than one minor mistake for us to accuse someone of something so dispicable as being truly racist.
I’m glad these firemen stood up for themselves and confronted racism when they faced it. Too often white people are so afraid of being called racist themselves that they do not confront racism when they encounter it. These firemen are doing the entire nation a service, and helping us to move closer to a future where racial discrimination is truly gone. I don’t know whether we’ll ever completely achieve that dream, but the one thing we must not do is let distance diminish our pursuit.
IF THOSE BLACK MEN HAD BEEN DENIED THEIR RAISE FOR THE REASON THEY USED TO DENY THE WHITE GUYS SHIT WOULD HAVE HIT THE CEILING, THE FLOOR AND BOUNCED BACK THEN HITTING THE CEILING FAN....
And since you think i am lieing about black people getting curves on the pre employment test i took and you wana act like that dont happen here you go
The use of the binomial test is appropriate ..... sample pass rate difference's position on the normal CURVE, and thus supplies in- ..... tained if the issue is framed in terms of white-black fail rates ...
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2010 is going to usher in some surreal experiences for americans...
You said the same crap about Copenhagen and NOTHING happened.
These guys were intimidating voters. Just because blacks have been historically treated poorly, doesn't justify their actions. The DOJ refused to go after them, now, hopefully, others will go after either them or the people in the DOJ who refused.
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You said the same crap about Copenhagen and NOTHING happened.
These guys were intimidating voters. Just because blacks have been historically treated poorly, doesn't justify their actions. The DOJ refused to go after them, now, hopefully, others will go after either them or the people in the DOJ who refused.
Thank God the Chinese did not go along with this craziness.