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Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) told Fox News' Chris Wallace Sunday that it is "fair" to hold the Obama administration responsible for the a failure to detect an attempted terror attack. Friday, Hoekstra told the Detroit Free Press that the Obama administration needed to "connect the dots."
"You were quoted in the Detroit Free Press this morning as saying that, you know, the key is to connect the dots and maybe the Obama administration will now realize that. Is it really fair to hold the Obama administration responsible here?" asked Wallace.
"Yeah, I think it really is," replied Hoekstra. "Connecting the dots here is not really on this particular case. It's connecting the dots that we've seen over the last 11 months, over the last eight years."
As Raw Story reported yesterday, Hoekstra followed-up his initial comments with a post to his Twitter account: "Administration says attempted terrorist attack. No. It was a terrorist attack! Just not as successful as they (AQ) planned."
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Well, shouldn't you be in agreement with this 240, given your 911 stance?
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If there was evidence that Obama was personally handed a document listing the attackers name, flight, and destination, then HELL YES. This was the case with Dubya. Six weeks before.
Until then, I wouldn't make such an assumption. The prick should have been on the no-fly list, and I'd love to see who, at what level, decided not to add him :(
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If its fair to blame Obama for that attack then it fair to blame BUSH for 9/11
Heads will roll here because there were people who weren't doing their jobs.
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it depends if Obama was informed of it personally, as bush was before 911. Bush, Condi and Rummy admitted under oath that Dubya was handed the memo, who handed it to condi, then to rummy, and all said they didn't read it. Do we have evidence info on this guy reached obama? no.
This guy belonged on the no-fly list. I'm SURE we'll eventually find out why he didn't make the list. Til then, to compare this to bush/911 is asinine. Bush admits ignoring the memo. period.
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If its fair to blame bush for 9/11 then its fair to blame obama for this.
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The bomb guy was from Nigeria, which is practically Kenya. (Or at least both are AFRICAN countries :o)
And Obama has relatives in Kenya. :o
There is probably some conspiracy there.
We need to join the Ron Paul Revolution for truth Movement!
Put on our snugly fit Jansport backpackers with PB jelly sammiches and moisturizers for our dry skin after hours spent at the high school computer club meets.
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The guy was on a terror watch list...the pc idiots who run the gov bureaucracies regardless of admin fucked this up. Neopolitano is a friggen joke. U need killers to protect the sheep...not fat dykes without a security background.
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I bet by the end of the week the idiots on MSNBC blame Rush or Beck for it.
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obama wants this fat dyke for this job, cause she cant do it well, if we dont have strong national security, that makes obamas personal agenda easier for him to carry out.
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I bet by the end of the week the idiots on MSNBC blame Rush or Beck for it.
Its fair to blame DHS for this 240.
1. This guy was on the watch list.
2. Peter King said this morning that State Department knew of this guy on November 23, 2009
3. This guy paid cash on a one way ticket
4. This guy father warned State Department of his son
5. Denied a student visa.
6. No passport.
AND YOU SCHMUCKS TRUST THE GOVT TO SCREEN YOU FOR CANCER WHEN THEY CANT EVEN CATCH THIS ? ? ? ?
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The guy was on a terror watch list...the pc idiots who run the gov bureaucracies regardless of admin fucked this up. Neopolitano is a friggen joke. U need killers to protect the sheep...not fat dykes without a security background.
AGAIN - THIS IS AFFIRMATIVE ACTION GOVT FROM THE TOP DOWN.
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no no 333 they will blame sara palins baby, lol
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no no 333 they will blame sara palins baby, lol
I swear, I am growing more disgusted by the day with this admn and their supporters. People are going to get killed because its more important to be PC, blame the VRWC for everything, and have a fat lesbian at the head of DHS than it is to be responsible with this stuff.
AGAIN:
IF THE GOVT SCREENING CANT CATCH THIS GUY, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO CATCH YOUR CANCER?
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'Its fair to blame DHS for this 240. "
Definitely!
But Obama himself?
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'Its fair to blame DHS for this 240. "
Definitely!
But Obama himself?
I dont blame him personally and more than I do Bush for 911. However, if it happens again, than yes, I will blame him since he is on notice.
However, i do blame DHS, State Department, TSA, and all the other idiotic govt agencies we give billions and billions to who shake down old people in wheel chairs.
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at the end of the day yes obama, he is the boss of these people that get paid to perform these jobs, if they cant do it then he is responsible for getting someone in there that can, if the dyke cant get it right then it is obamas fault for keeping her in this position, weather he saw the papers or not, he appoints people to do a job and they are failing. as the ultimate decision make of who occupies these positions he is failing so yes we can blame obama
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at the end of the day yes obama, he is the boss of these people that get paid to perform these jobs, if they cant do it then he is responsible for getting someone in there that can, if the dyke cant get it right then it is obamas fault for keeping her in this position, weather he saw the papers or not, he appoints people to do a job and they are failing. as the ultimate decision make of who occupies these positions he is failing so yes we can blame obama
Her statement: "The system worked" alone should get her fired.
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exactly, she shoulda been fired when she called returning war vets a bigger threat than actual terrorists... imho
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"I dont blame him personally and more than I do Bush for 911. However, if it happens again, than yes, I will blame him since he is on notice. '
okay. SO if it turns out 6 weeks ago, obama was hand-delivered a memo saying "this guy will attack this target on this date", you would feel exactly the same as you do now?
That is why ppl are mad about 911. Bush had 5 of their names, the attack date and target - hand delivered. "You've covered your ass" he told the agent, and nobody read it. After a red-eye flight in mid of night to deliver it. Same day our 2 closets allies called us about it.
I think you'd be a liiiiiiiiiittle more critical of obama if he had this kinda detail on the attack and shrugged it off.
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"exactly, she shoulda been fired when she called returning war vets a bigger threat than actual terrorists... imho"
I remember that memo. diid it say crazy war vets were a BIGGER threat? Or ALSo a threat?
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"exactly, she shoulda been fired when she called returning war vets a bigger threat than actual terrorists... imho"
I remember that memo. diid it say crazy war vets were a BIGGER threat? Or ALSo a threat?
Your knee padding again 240 - I thought I would warn you.
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If she said vets were a bigger thread than al-Q, she's completely wrong.
that's what bodyprosite said.
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If she said vets were a bigger thread than al-Q, she's completely wrong.
that's what bodyprosite said.
240 - Peter King was on radio this am saying State Department was specifically wanred about this guy on November 23, 2009.
Instead we have the affirmative action govt too busy coddling KSM, worrying about the VRWC, putting Mao ornaments on Xmas trees, and ramming commie-care down our throats.
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is Al-q not a terrorist? um i think they are. and i do believe i said terrorist....
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so did this janet dude say Vets were a BIGGER threat than Al-Q?
Cause that's lunacy. beyond lunacy. Link to quote?
If the quote was, "There are a number of pissed off war vets to keep an eye on", I'm okay with that. because that's true, sadly. I support and admire the troops, but I do know that some come back pretty angry.
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so did this janet dude say Vets were a BIGGER threat than Al-Q?
Cause that's lunacy. beyond lunacy. Link to quote?
If the quote was, "There are a number of pissed off war vets to keep an eye on", I'm okay with that. because that's true, sadly. I support and admire the troops, but I do know that some come back pretty angry.
240 - should Napolitano be fired?
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I do not know. SOMEONE should be fired if that dude was on the radar 4 weeks ago and wasn't added to no-fly list.
Whoever made that decision to NOT ADD him, then didn't pass the info up the chain of command, should be fired, fo sho.
However, if it was a middle manager who said "Eh, I'm not too worried, I'm going on lunch break..." I'm not sure you can fire Janet for that. But if it landed on her desk, then heck yeah.
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janet is responsible for the middle managers so if she is allowing some dumb fuck to be a middle manager that obviously cant do the job, then its just as much her fault as the dumb fuck middle manager,
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Its fair to blame DHS for this 240.
1. This guy was on the watch list.
2. Peter King said this morning that State Department knew of this guy on November 23, 2009
3. This guy paid cash on a one way ticket
4. This guy father warned State Department of his son
5. Denied a student visa.
6. No passport.
AND YOU SCHMUCKS TRUST THE GOVT TO SCREEN YOU FOR CANCER WHEN THEY CANT EVEN CATCH THIS ? ? ? ?
Are you sure about that? How does he get on a plane without a passport?
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If we get hit again - yes Obama is to blame.
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Father of Nigerian terror suspect sought government help to no avail before airline attack
AP ^ | December 28, 2009 | JON GAMBRELL
Posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 11:23:04 AM by maggief
LAGOS, Nigeria (AP) — The Nigerian man accused of trying to bomb a U.S. airliner cut off all ties with his relatives until they awoke to news of the attempted Christmas Day attack, the family said Monday.
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab's father first reached out to Nigerian security agencies two months ago and a month later to foreign security agencies about his concerns that his son had disappeared and ceased contact with the family, the family said in a statement. U.S. authorities said that in November, Abdulmutallab's father visited the U.S. embassy in Abuja, Nigeria, to discuss his concerns about his son's religious beliefs.
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A U.S. official in Washington said the father's concerns were shared among those in the embassy, including liaison personnel from other agencies based there, such as the FBI. The alert was then relayed to Washington and again shared among agencies such as the State, Justice and Homeland Security departments, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the investigation.
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LOL this is the problem with you libtards 240 you blame bush for not following intel in one instance and following it in another... ::)
make up your fuking mind you lib dousche, how many pieces of intel do you think a president gets briefed on in an day? how many of those briefings come to fruition?
STFU about shit you dont know about, speculation is all you have
or wait
maybe you have a dailykos or national enquirer article youd like to use as proof?
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so did this janet dude say Vets were a BIGGER threat than Al-Q?
Cause that's lunacy. beyond lunacy. Link to quote?
If the quote was, "There are a number of pissed off war vets to keep an eye on", I'm okay with that. because that's true, sadly. I support and admire the troops, but I do know that some come back pretty angry.
Well since there is no such thing as terrorism,its now "man made disasters" and she went out of her way to put out a report of the threat of right wing extremists which included vets Id say YES!You could easily make that statement.
Hey,has she or Maddow admitted it wasn't right wing talk that killed the census worker in KY?
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Well since there is no such thing as terrorism,its now "man made disasters" and she went out of her way to put out a report of the threat of right wing extremists which included vets Id say YES!You could easily make that statement.
Hey,has she or Maddow admitted it wasn't right wing talk that killed the census worker in KY?
This govt is a disgrace. If we put a few armed members of the VRWC on the plane like Billy, myse;f, or others, we probably would make it more safe than DHS.
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I was watching the Hoesktra interview on Sunday, and your overblowing his answer and taking it out of context.
The question was posed to Hoekstra as to whether or not it was fair to blame the Obama administration for the lapse in security. Hoesktra responded in the affirmative.
How could he not? Obama is the president and has been for a year-- He appointed all the people that run these security organizations now. If the people or systems in place were too inept to detect an individual that was already on the FBI's radar and who's own father went to the State Department in person to urge them to be aware that his son may be potentially dangerous-- then the blame should start at the top-- and thats the president and his cronies.
So, while you can't blame Obama for the attempted attack outright, you would be a total fool not to blame him for the lapse in security.
Liebermann was also on the show at the same time as Hoekstra. He alluded to the fact that left leaning organizations like the ACLU are up at arms over advanced security machines that scan the entire body-- but if most people were aware of the threat that exists and the minimal invasivness of these scanners, they would fully support them. These machines are operational at a handfull of airports now.
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aclu is a fucking joke anyway, crybabies