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Flight 253 passenger: Sharp-dressed man aided terror suspect Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab onto plane without passport (MLive.com exclusive)
By Sheena Harrison | MLive.com
December 26, 2009, 2:22PM
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Update: Dutch police investigating report of accomplice in Northwest Flight 235 terror plot
A Michigan man who was aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 253 says he witnessed Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab trying to board the plane in Amsterdam without a passport.
Kurt Haskell of Newport, Mich., who posted an earlier comment about his experience, talked exclusively with MLive.com and confirmed he was on the flight by sending a picture of his boarding pass. He and his wife, Lori, were returning from a safari in Uganda when they boarded the NWA flight on Friday.
Kurt HaskellLori and Kurt HaskellHaskell said he and his wife were sitting on the ground near their boarding gate in Amsterdam, which is when they saw Mutallab approach the gate with an unidentified man.
Kurt and Lori Haskell are attorneys with Haskell Law Firm in Taylor. Their expertise includes bankruptcy, family law and estate planning.
While Mutallab was poorly dressed, his friend was dressed in an expensive suit, Haskell said. He says the suited man asked ticket agents whether Mutallab could board without a passport. “The guy said, 'He's from Sudan and we do this all the time.'”
Mutallab is Nigerian. Haskell believes the man may have been trying to garner sympathy for Mutallab's lack of documents by portraying him as a Sudanese refugee.
The ticket agent referred Mutallab and his companion to her manager down the hall, and Haskell didn't see Mutallab again until after he allegedly tried to detonate an explosive on the plane.
Haskell said the flight was mostly unremarkable. That was until he heard a flight attendant say she smelled smoke, just after the pilot announced the plane would land in Detroit in 10 minutes. Haskell got out of his seat to view the brewing commotion.
“I stood up and walked a couple feet ahead to get a closer look, and that's when I saw the flames,” said Haskell, who sat about seven rows behind Mutallab. “It started to spread pretty quickly. It went up the wall, all the way to ceiling.”
Haskell, who described Mutallab as a diminutive man who looks like a teenager, said about 30 seconds passed between the first mention of smoke and when Mutallab was subdued by fellow passengers.
“He didn't fight back at all. This wasn't a big skirmish,” Haskell said. “A couple guys jumped on him and hauled him away.”
The ordeal has Haskell and his wife a little shaken. Flight attendants were screaming during the fire and the pilot sounded notably nervous when bringing the plane in for a landing, he said.
“Immediately, the pilot came on and said two words: emergency landing,” Haskell said. “And that was it. The plane sped up instead of slowing down. You could tell he floored it.”
As Mutallab was being led out of the plane in handcuffs, Haskell said he realized that was the same man he saw trying to board the plane in Amsterdam.
Passengers had to wait about 20 minutes before they were allowed to exit the plane. Haskell said he and other passengers waited about six hours to be interviewed by the FBI.
About an hour after landing, Haskell said he saw another man being taken into custody. But a spokeswoman from the FBI in Detroit said Mutallab was the only person taken into custody.
Update: Dutch police investigating report of accomplice in Northwest Flight 235 terror plot
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We are all on our own folks.
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So they let Sudanese on planes without passports and allow them to travel to the USA?
Something more than hearsay should come out on this one.
More heads will roll.
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So they let Sudanese on planes without passports and allow them to travel to the USA?
Something more than hearsay should come out on this one.
More heads will roll.
This is an eye witness account. The govt will cover up or explain it away as nothing.
More incompetence.
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This is an eye witness account. The govt will cover up or explain it away as nothing.
More incompetence.
At this point its hearsay, but there should be some sort of policy that will surface about this. What also, makes me wonder is why he wouldn't have a passport anyway.
And the guy that was supposedly with him should be on camera.
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a complete failure of everything that's already in place. Solution, enforce even stricter bullshit on everyone. hmmmm
IMO, it's just too early to know what the fuck-up was. For all we know, the database hiccuped and his name never got passed over. Or it could be multiple human errors. At this point though, we can't really call for solutions when we don't have all the facts.
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wait, what about the sad song he and some other well dressed person gave to get on the plane? The stuff about him not having papers because he was a refugee or some shit.
What about his father going to the State Department in November?
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well back in nov if we had questioned him or dare i say even put a lil survalence on hime , that just wouldnt have been politicaly correct, our government wants to investigate terrorists after they kill hundreds of people not before
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what was that story from this morning noting the explosives are extremely easy to detect.
and the ultimate lol. The guy coming from one of the most dangerous areas of the world with no papers and has to talk his way on the plane is the guy that doesn't get his shit searched? hahahahaha..... uh huh....
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what was that story from this morning noting the explosives are extremely easy to detect.
and the ultimate lol. The guy coming from one of the most dangerous areas of the world with no papers and has to talk his way on the plane is the guy that doesn't get his shit searched? hahahahaha..... uh huh....
How about paying cash the same day for the ticket on a one-way term?
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every jihadist is crazy bout a sharp dressed man
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How about paying cash the same day for the ticket on a one-way term?
lol.... that's all I have left to say, LOL!
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every jihadist is crazy bout a sharp dressed man
and every jihadist engages in singing christmas carols :D just read that part... outstanding cover :D
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lol.... that's all I have left to say, LOL!
Like I said yesterday - its one thing if this guy shot up a school in Maine, but the tens of billions of dollars we have spent has been to stop this exact type of situation.
Given what we know already, I see no reason for DHS if we cant stop something like this.
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Like I said yesterday - its one thing if this guy shot up a school in Maine, but the tens of billions of dollars we have spent has been to stop this exact type of situation.
Given what we know already, I see no reason for DHS if we cant stop something like this.
the solution is of course not that.
it will be an expance of all the shit that didn't work. yea baby, yea...
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the solution is of course not that.
it will be an expance of all the shit that didn't work. yea baby, yea...
Hugo - I'm dead serious. If we cant stop this, after spending tens of billions on this exact type of thing, why then do we need DHS?
BTW - Newt killed it in this pertaining to this issue. We are simply in a deluded state of mind.
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wait, what about the sad song he and some other well dressed person gave to get on the plane? The stuff about him not having papers because he was a refugee or some shit.
If that turns out to be the case, then so be it...let the firings begin. All I'm saying is we only have 1st reports (the least reliable) and it appears at this time that there may have been multiple problems. So, it's just too early to determine what the solutions are. Once we have a better grasp on where the fuck-ups occured, we'll know better how to fix the problem.
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How about the airports simply concentrate on middle eastern looking people?Instead of worrying about political correctnes how about they start to really understand its fucking muslims that are doing this.This guy was a fucking muslim.The war is against Muslims.Until we understand this nothing will change.
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How about the airports simply concentrate on middle eastern looking people?Instead of worrying about political correctnes how about they start to really understand its fucking muslims that are doing this.This guy was a fucking muslim.The war is against Muslims.Until we understand this nothing will change.
Billy - 240 told me that the VRWC poses a serious threat to the country yesterday.
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what is the VRWC, and when did i say it was a threat?
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what is the VRWC, and when did i say it was a threat?
The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
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Can you quote where i said this thing was a threat?
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Can you quote where i said this thing was a threat?
Yesterday you were defending he DHS report saying RW groups pose a threat to the nation.
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I never said a thing about "RW groups". please quote me or take that back.
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I never said a thing about "RW groups". please quote me or take that back.
Bro - are you drinking? You specifically defended the DHS memo.
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against the potential for crazy pissed off vets? Yes, that is something that needs to be watched. If ex-vets are making angry statements, talking about CW2, etc, then YES, they need to keep an eye on them. Anything less woudl be irresponsible. If they had watched Mcveigh better, they could have avoided OKC mess.
Do you think ex-vets with anger and training shouldn't be monitored, 33? I'd say ANYONE who threatens to break the law here should be.
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against the potential for crazy pissed off vets? Yes, that is something that needs to be watched. If ex-vets are making angry statements, talking about CW2, etc, then YES, they need to keep an eye on them. Anything less woudl be irresponsible. If they had watched Mcveigh better, they could have avoided OKC mess.
Do you think ex-vets with anger and training shouldn't be monitored, 33? I'd say ANYONE who threatens to break the law here should be.
I have not seen vets doing that.
I have seen stupid punk ass NYC'ers with big mouths screaming about CW2 though. ;D ;D
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they should keep an eye on any american who talks about civil war, etc. Definitely. it's important to believe in what you want - but any of those actions put innocent people in danger. You have people flipping and shooting at innocent people.
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they should keep an eye on any american who talks about civil war, etc. Definitely. it's important to believe in what you want - but any of those actions put innocent people in danger. You have people flipping and shooting at innocent people.
I predict that we have not seen anything yet compared to where we are heading. I think we will get back to 1992 levels of crime.
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april 29, 1992... there was a riot on my street tell me where were you... [/sublime]
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april 29, 1992... there was a riot on my street tell me where were you... [/sublime]
NYC - those were bad days bro. 2200 murders a year.
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the solution is of course not that.
it will be an expance of all the shit that didn't work. yea baby, yea...
That's exactly what they intend to do. Up here on the news they are saying that it's a forgone conclusion that in the future, you are going to have to submit to being seen completely nude in order to board a plane. Looks like a few people might have to double down on those crunches, and lunges. :P
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How about the airports simply concentrate on middle eastern looking people?Instead of worrying about political correctnes how about they start to really understand its fucking muslims that are doing this.This guy was a fucking muslim.The war is against Muslims.Until we understand this nothing will change.
You idiot, ...concentrating on middle eastern looking people wouldn't have done diddly squat in this case.
The guy was Nigerian. Supposedly capable of passing as Sudanese. You know what that tells me... without seeing his picture, it tells me he is black. Not just Black (ie African American skin tones), ...but so Black, he's fucken purple. The war is NOT against muslims you moron, ...it is against terrorists. Terrorists can and do belong to any religion, ...and some are even atheists. Get a clue.
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You idiot, ...concentrating on middle eastern looking people wouldn't have done diddly squat in this case.
The guy was Nigerian. Supposedly capable of passing as Sudanese. You know what that tells me... without seeing his picture, it tells me he is black. Not just Black (ie African American skin tones), ...but so Black, he's fucken purple. The war is NOT against muslims you moron, ...it is against terrorists. Terrorists can and do belong to any religion, ...and some are even atheists. Get a clue.
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He was a Muslim from Africa, another hot spot for extremist ideology. So it's not just Middle Easterners. It's North Africans and Southeast Asians that one needs to look out for as well.
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You idiot, ...concentrating on middle eastern looking people wouldn't have done diddly squat in this case.
The guy was Nigerian. Supposedly capable of passing as Sudanese. You know what that tells me... without seeing his picture, it tells me he is black. Not just Black (ie African American skin tones), ...but so Black, he's fucken purple. The war is NOT against muslims you moron, ...it is against terrorists. Terrorists can and do belong to any religion, ...and some are even atheists. Get a clue.
Whatever Jag. Those jews, evangical chirstians, amish, hindus, buddhists, sihks's, wiccans, etc are all on the prowl right?
GMAFB.
This guy was the poster boy terrorist and should have been KTFO and dropped out the door hatch over the great lakes.
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Whatever Jag. Those jews, evangical chirstians, amish, hindus, buddhists, sihks's, wiccans, etc are all on the prowl right?
GMAFB.
This guy was the poster boy terrorist and should have been KTFO and dropped out the door hatch over the great lakes.
She's an apologist Muslim. It's everyone one but the Muslims fault.
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She's an apologist Muslim. It's everyone one but the Muslims fault.
We have peoples damn lives at stake!
Jag is the perfect example of PC liberal garbage run horribly amok.
This animal was the poster child terrorist and she is making excuses and equivocations? What a joke.
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You idiot, ...concentrating on middle eastern looking people wouldn't have done diddly squat in this case.
The guy was Nigerian. Supposedly capable of passing as Sudanese. You know what that tells me... without seeing his picture, it tells me he is black. Not just Black (ie African American skin tones), ...but so Black, he's fucken purple. The war is NOT against muslims you moron, ...it is against terrorists. Terrorists can and do belong to any religion, ...and some are even atheists. Get a clue.
Please give me the list of Christian terrorists that have bombed this country?I will be waiting you fucking left wing nit wit.This "nigerien" was a filthy Muslim!!!!!!!!Understand that, a Muslim!!Thats who we are at war with, Muslims!!!We cant even get you stupid half wit libs to aknowlege that.You keep feeding us that crap that Islam is "a religion of peace".Yes,sir preaching killing the infedel is quite peacefull.
Now,I will be waiting for your list of Christian bombers who have declared jiihad against the US you fucking moron.Please dont humiliate yourself and mention McVeigh because he wasnt a Christian.
You know,Islam is our enemy but really its liberalism and political correctness that are even more dangerous.My only wish is little left wing skanks like you would "wake up" with a rope around your neck and a sign saying " I betrayed my country" right before we hung you untill your inards spilled out of your asshole.
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I would be VERY HAPPY to have to walk thru a naked chamber to get on a plane.
If there was ONE AIRLINE that req'd every passenger to do this, you bet your ass I'd fly them everytime.
Sounds like a helluva business opportunity there! An airline that PROMISES to strip search and profile. Hell, I bet most arab americans would prefer to fly there also - they can deal with more BS if they know some nutbag ain't gonna be lighting himself on fire.
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Please give me the list of Christian terrorists that have bombed this country?I will be waiting you fucking left wing nit wit.This "nigerien" was a filthy Muslim!!!!!!!!Understand that, a Muslim!!Thats who we are at war with, Muslims!!!We cant even get you stupid half wit libs to aknowlege that.You keep feeding us that crap that Islam is "a religion of peace".Yes,sir preaching killing the infedel is quite peacefull.
Now,I will be waiting for your list of Christian bombers who have declared jiihad against the US you fucking moron.Please dont humiliate yourself and mention McVeigh because he wasnt a Christian.
Ok I won't mention McVeigh, ...but off the top of my head, ...how about:
Michael Griffin
Eric Rudolph
The Lambs of Christ
The Army of God
Like I said you idiot, ...terrorists come in all nationalities, & religions. You might not hear about them on the news with the same sensationalism often only reserved for muslim terrorists, but they exist nonetheless, and they are bombing, and killing Americans, and destroying American lives nonetheless. And unfortunately, the christian terrorist groups in the USA, have alot of supporters willing to help fugitive members evade the law.
You know,Islam is our enemy but really its liberalism and political correctness that are even more dangerous.My only wish is little left wing skanks like you would "wake up" with a rope around your neck and a sign saying " I betrayed my country" right before we hung you untill your inards spilled out of your asshole.
Really Billy, ...you need to up your meds.
Prozac is your friend. If it doesn't calm you down, ...maybe it'll make you suicidal. (From my lips to God's ears) :P
This has nothing to do with political correctness, and everything to do with facts, reality, and common sense.
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Ok I won't mention McVeigh, ...but off the top of my head, ...how about:
Michael Griffin
Eric Rudolph
The Lambs of Christ
The Army of God
Like I said you idiot, ...terrorists come in all nationalities, & religions. You might not hear about them on the news with the same sensationalism often only reserved for muslim terrorists, but they exist nonetheless, and they are bombing, and killing Americans, and destroying American lives nonetheless. And unfortunately, the christian terrorist groups in the USA, have alot of supporters willing to help fugitive members evade the law.
Really Billy, ...you need to up your meds.
Prozac is your friend. If it doesn't calm you down, ...maybe it'll make you suicidal. (From my lips to God's ears) :P
This has nothing to do with political correctness, and everything to do with facts, reality, and common sense.
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Haha, the usual four named. It's sad that you're trying to equate them to millions of extremists. There have been 15,000 documented terrorist attacks since 9/11 across the world. You can count the amount of bombings Eric Rudolph carried out on one hand. ::)
Typical dipshit apologist.
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She's an apologist Muslim. It's everyone one but the Muslims fault.
BezerkFury,
Please tell me how Billy's theory of profiling Middle Eastern looking people would have caught this guy?
I'm not a "Muslim apologist" whatever that is, ...but I don't believe in ridiculous waste, or running east looking for a sunset. The muslim faith happens to be the fastest growing religion on the planet, and will soon, if it has not already, surpass the christian faith in numbers. How do you profile such a large number? It's about as ridiculous as saying we'll focus on every single male in America until we find the few who might have a penchant for molesting children. That to me is ridiculous. There are other factors that help you hone in on your target more specifically. Those are the things I think it prudent to focus on.... otherwise I believe you are just searching for needles in haystacks... and wasteing a lot of US taxpayer money to do it.
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BezerkFury,
Please tell me how Billy's theory of profiling Middle Eastern looking people would have caught this guy?
I'm not a "Muslim apologist" whatever that is, ...but I don't believe in ridiculous waste, or running east looking for a sunset. The muslim faith happens to be the fastest growing religion on the planet, and will soon, if it has not already, surpass the christian faith in numbers. How do you profile such a large number? It's about as ridiculous as saying we'll focus on every single male in America until we find the few who might have a penchant for molesting children. That to me is ridiculous. There are other factors that help you hone in on your target more specifically. Those are the things I think it prudent to focus on.... otherwise I believe you are just searching for needles in haystacks... and wasteing a lot of US taxpayer money to do it.
Jag - only someone sipping gasoline or sniffing gas fumes could not see that this savage beast fit the prototype terrorist killer.
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BezerkFury,
Please tell me how Billy's theory of profiling Middle Eastern looking people would have caught this guy?
I'm not a "Muslim apologist" whatever that is, ...but I don't believe in ridiculous waste, or running east looking for a sunset. The muslim faith happens to be the fastest growing religion on the planet, and will soon, if it has not already, surpass the christian faith in numbers. How do you profile such a large number? It's about as ridiculous as saying we'll focus on every single male in America until we find the few who might have a penchant for molesting children. That to me is ridiculous. There are other factors that help you hone in on your target more specifically. Those are the things I think it prudent to focus on.... otherwise I believe you are just searching for needles in haystacks... and wasteing a lot of US taxpayer money to do it.
It wouldn't have caught them. But you provided the answer in your previous post. Muslim men between the ages of 18-40 and who are of North African, Middle Eastern or Southeast Asian descent should be profiled. And who is talking about profiling every single one of them? Talking about profiling those who are flying on planes. Not as many as you think.
It doesn't seem to be as difficult as you're implying. This guy's name was already on the lists. They knew about him. Feel free to complain about it all you want. They brought it on themselves.
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It wouldn't have caught them. But you provided the answer in your previous post. Muslim men between the ages of 18-40 and who are of North African, Middle Eastern or Southeast Asian descent should be profiled.
1. Denied A STUDENT VISA TO THE USA
2. Paid for a one way ticket cash same day.
3. Father warned the US State Dept.
4. Coming from Yemen.
5. No passport.
6. Muslim name (Yes I said it).
7. Aged 18-40
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Haha, the usual four named. It's sad that you're trying to equate them to millions of extremists. There have been 15,000 documented terrorist attacks since 9/11 across the world. You can count the amount of bombings Eric Rudolph carried out on one hand. ::)
Typical dipshit apologist.
Typical dipshit comparison. You make it as if to say these supposedly 15,000 documented terrorist attacks were carried out by one person. Actually, I think you might need two hands to count all of Rudophs bombings. Nonetheless, I think we can agree, they amount to more than the terror suspect arrested on the flight to Detroit. the numbers matter not. the fact that they are terrorists is what is important, ...and they come in all shapes, sizes, creeds, and religions.
The question is: Are people serious about catching them, ...or are they only interested in whipping up public outcry about terrorism, and who they imagine terrorists to be? Because if it's the latter... by all means carry on. If however, you're serious about catching terrorists and preventing them from committing their crimes, ...then I think governments need to implement a more precise means of identifying their targets, rather than the needle in the haystack approach.
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Typical dipshit comparison. You make it as if to say these supposedly 15,000 documented terrorist attacks were carried out by one person. Actually, I think you might need two hands to count all of Rudophs bombings. Nonetheless, I think we can agree, they amount to more than the terror suspect arrested on the flight to Detroit. the numbers matter not. the fact that they are terrorists is what is important, ...and they come in all shapes, sizes, creeds, and religions.
The question is: Are people serious about catching them, ...or are they only interested in whipping up public outcry about terrorism, and who they imagine terrorists to be? Because if it's the latter... by all means carry on. If however, you're serious about catching terrorists and preventing them from committing their crimes, ...then I think governments need to implement a more precise means of identifying their targets, rather than the needle in the haystack approach.
You are so FOS is makes me want to puke. Any time anyone tries to get serious about stopping these savage beasts, you are the first to scream about profiling, etc.
And we know who is commiting these crimes - there is a definte profile for it - muslim men between the ages of 18-40.
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Ok I won't mention McVeigh, ...but off the top of my head, ...how about:
Michael Griffin
Eric Rudolph
The Lambs of Christ
The Army of God
Like I said you idiot, ...terrorists come in all nationalities, & religions. You might not hear about them on the news with the same sensationalism often only reserved for muslim terrorists, but they exist nonetheless, and they are bombing, and killing Americans, and destroying American lives nonetheless. And unfortunately, the christian terrorist groups in the USA, have alot of supporters willing to help fugitive members evade the law.
Really Billy, ...you need to up your meds.
Prozac is your friend. If it doesn't calm you down, ...maybe it'll make you suicidal. (From my lips to God's ears) :P
This has nothing to do with political correctness, and everything to do with facts, reality, and common sense.
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Your a fucking idiot.Bombing abortion clincics is NOTHING like bombing us targets you stupid idiot.Anti-abortion people arent at war with the United States,they are trying to end the killing of babies.Your comparrison is idiotic.The killing of Tiler ended a reign of 60,0000 abortions.The guy who snuffed out that little girl is a hero and should have parades in New York for his heroic act.Dont ever try to compare a filthy fucking muslim scum bag to heroic people ending the killing of babies.
This terrorist was on a list.No questions for him .Why?Political correctness.The Fort Hood killer was a known Muslim,no one did a thing.Why?Political correctnes.
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It wouldn't have caught them. But you provided the answer in your previous post. Muslim men between the ages of 18-40 and who are of North African, Middle Eastern or Southeast Asian descent should be profiled. And who is talking about profiling every single one of them? Talking about profiling those who are flying on planes. Not as many as you think.
I see this as more of the needle in the haystack approach, ...especially considering the number of lives at stake.
This may sound extrememly cold & heartless, but think about it for a moment. How many passengers does an airplane hold. so a terrorist looking to blow up a plane takes how x number of people? if someone is serious, ...they can take out more people at a local sporting event. Introducing the infrigements and encroachments upon our freedoms through air travel is so effective, because people feel a special sort of vulnerability while flying. Up in the air... they have no where to run... they are essentially a captive audience. Pulling the same type of attacks on the ground where people feel much more in control, whether real or merely perceived, and you get an entirely different reaction. You'd also get an entirely different reaction to the measures governments are attempting to implement as well. Like I said, people and govs can get serious about this... or they can simply pay lip service.
It doesn't seem to be as difficult as you're implying. This guy's name was already on the lists. They knew about him. Feel free to complain about it all you want. They brought it on themselves.
I agree. Something is messed up when his name is on a list and they had prior knowledge of him.
What I'm curious about tho is your comment "They brought it on themselves". that to me is simply laughable.
So what you're saying is that you'd have no problem getting the shit kicked out of you every day and have your money confiscated in retaliation for the crimes of Bernie Madoff? And you'd have no problem with this because... "the jews brought it on themselves". Give your head a shake.
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I see this as more of the needle in the haystack approach, ...especially considering the number of lives at stake.
This may sound extrememly cold & heartless, but think about it for a moment. How many passengers does an airplane hold. so a terrorist looking to blow up a plane takes how x number of people? if someone is serious, ...they can take out more people at a local sporting event. Introducing the infrigements and encroachments upon our freedoms through air travel is so effective, because people feel a special sort of vulnerability while flying. Up in the air... they have no where to run... they are essentially a captive audience. Pulling the same type of attacks on the ground where people feel much more in control, whether real or merely perceived, and you get an entirely different reaction. You'd also get an entirely different reaction to the measures governments are attempting to implement as well. Like I said, people and govs can get serious about this... or they can simply pay lip service.
I agree. Something is messed up when his name is on a list and they had prior knowledge of him.
What I'm curious about tho is your comment "They brought it on themselves". that to me is simply laughable.
So what you're saying is that you'd have no problem getting the shit kicked out of you every day and have your money confiscated in retaliation for the crimes of Bernie Madoff? And you'd have no problem with this because... "the jews brought it on themselves". Give your head a shake.
Its called govt incompetence and refusal to call a spade a spade.
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I hadn't heard of those other groups Jag posted other than Eric Rudolph.
I can't find any links that indicate he was a Christian?
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I hadn't heard of those other groups Jag posted other than Eric Rudolph.
I can't find any links that indicate he was a Christian?
What about Malvo & John Mohammed?
Ft Hood?
Richard Reid?
Jag - do you really want to go tit for tat on this?
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Your a fucking idiot.Bombing abortion clincics is NOTHING like bombing us targets you stupid idiot.
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"Bombing abortion clinics is NOTHING like bombing us targets"
Seriously Billy, where do you think these abortion clinics were located? And do the bombs kill less 'cause it's a clinic?
What about the Olympic park bombing at the 1996 Atlanta summer games? Now you've taken to worshipping terrorists and calling them heros? I hope you're on a list, ...and I hope you don't get overlooked, ...'cause you're seriously a brick shy of a full load. I expect to see your name in the news shortly. When I do, hopefully the focus will be about some hero cop who foiled your warped, demented, twisted terrorist plans before people got hurt.
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What about Malvo & John Mohammed?
Ft Hood?
Richard Reid?
Jag - do you really want to go tit for tat on this?
There is no tit for tat. Billy asked me to name a few Christian terrorists so i did.
I'm not trying to make a case that all anti-abortion christians should be profiled. I think painting with that broad a brush is a waste of resources and doesn't specifically hone in on terrorists. Christians are entitled to their feelings about abortion as well as other subjects. But just because a few radical extremists took it too far, is not a reason to profile all Christians who are anti-abortion. it's just a waste of time. I don't think STella is gonna be planting any bombs any time soon. Billy on the other hand... that's another story. Do I say this because he calls himself a christian who is anti-abortion? no, again that's too broad a picture. I say this because the guy is a lunatic. There are other aspects to Billy that have far more relevance than his religion and his politics. These are the things that set people off, and allow them to becaome radicalized. Isolate these, and you're much closer to honing in on terrorists, and surgically excising them from society rather than wasting a whole bunch of tax payer money, inconveniencing the general public, and infringing on people's rights, ...but then again... maybe that's the goal.
ps: I wouldn't show you my titties if you paid me. :P
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"Bombing abortion clinics is NOTHING like bombing us targets"
Seriously Billy, where do you think these abortion clinics were located? And do the bombs kill less 'cause it's a clinic?
What about the Olympic park bombing at the 1996 Atlanta summer games? Now you've taken to worshipping terrorists and calling them heros? I hope you're on a list, ...and I hope you don't get overlooked, ...'cause you're seriously a brick shy of a full load. I expect to see your name in the news shortly. When I do, hopefully the focus will be about some hero cop who foiled your warped, demented, twisted terrorist plans before people got hurt.
I would think you would be happy.I dont call for abortions to be banned. I just celebrate the killing of as many abortion providers as possible to send a messege to others that if you kill innocent lives you will be killed.No government ban,no attempt to overturn Roe vs. Wade.Just good old fashioned American ingenuity.
By the way you half wit.Obama started his political carrer in the living room of a guy who bombed police stations.Do you understand that.The president is a terrorist sympathiser.Dont hear your outrage.Im a fan of abortion clincic bombers,but for the life of me,I cant recall one association of mine ever actually being involved in something like that.Cant say the same about Hussein Obama can we?
So,dont worry about me as about 90% of my friends are cops.Imagine that?And I never say ANY of them acted "stupidly" like your hero Hussein Obama.You see I side with police,unlike the anti-American,anti-white,anti-police pal of William Ayers Hussein Obama.
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There is no tit for tat. Billy asked me to name a few Christian terrorists so i did.
I'm not trying to make a case that all anti-abortion christians should be profiled. I think painting with that broad a brush is a waste of resources and doesn't specifically hone in on terrorists. Christians are entitled to their feelings about abortion as well as other subjects. But just because a few radical extremists took it too far, is not a reason to profile all Christians who are anti-abortion. it's just a waste of time. I don't think STella is gonna be planting any bombs any time soon. Billy on the other hand... that's another story. Do I say this because he calls himself a christian who is anti-abortion? no, again that's too broad a picture. I say this because the guy is a lunatic. There are other aspects to Billy that have far more relevance than his religion and his politics. These are the things that set people off, and allow them to becaome radicalized. Isolate these, and you're much closer to honing in on terrorists, and surgically excising them from society rather than wasting a whole bunch of tax payer money, inconveniencing the general public, and infringing on people's rights, ...but then again... maybe that's the goal.
ps: I wouldn't show you my titties if you paid me. :P
I saw that picture of you, you dont look like you have any to see.
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By the way Jag you fool.When in the blue hell did I EVER say or imply Im a Christian?I wouldnt mind a few priests getting blastd as well.You assume but dont have a clue.
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We must call on Muslim leaders to out potential radicals in their faith. President Obama should have the balls to do this to help protect the innocent from these animals. Too many muslims sympathize with some of the radicals and are not doing enough to stop them.
We must stop the excessive political correctness and come together in admitting the international growing problem of radical terrorist muslims, particularly young muslim males aged 18-35. The problem is getting worse, there seems to be more radicalization, even home grown terrorists in the U.S and U.K now. There have been multiple terrorist attacks (or foiled attacks) this year.
As long as rules are followed and care is taken, young male muslims should undergo extra screening at airports. Also, anyone on a watchlist should not be able to board a plane unless they have detailed individual screening. Sorry for the inconvenience but we must respect statistical facts and protect the innocent.
By accident, 230+ deaths were averted this weekend.
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I saw that picture of you, you dont look like you have any to see.
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Hey! >:( I've got titties! ...and they're more than a handful (if you have really small hands) :P j/k
I've been told I have nice sized boobies, ...but personally, I was happier with my boobies as a teenager.
I'm the same size as I was when I was 16 everywhere, ...except my boobies. :'(
OK, I admit, I had freakish proportions as a teen, ...and my proportions are more normal now, ...but I miss them. Those were MY proportions. That was the body I grew into, and got used to, ...and I feel comfortable with. :'( Although it's nice to no longer have to hold onto them in order to simply roll over in bed, ...and it's nice to finally be able to see my feet again. :)
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Jag's good looking...we just have to keep working on her to at least come closer to the center... ;D
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Hey! >:( I've got titties! ...and they're more than a handful (if you have really small hands) :P j/k
I've been told I have nice sized boobies, ...but personally, I was happier with my boobies as a teenager.
I'm the same size as I was when I was 16 everywhere, ...except my boobies. :'(
OK, I admit, I had freakish proportions as a teen, ...and my proportions are more normal now, ...but I miss them. Those were MY proportions. That was the body I grew into, and got used to, ...and I feel comfortable with. :'( Although it's nice to no longer have to hold onto them in order to simply roll over in bed, ...and it's nice to finally be able to see my feet again. :)
Then get a boob job.
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jags got picks floating around this i gotta see, jagalicious youve been holding out on me
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You dont show your passport when you board the plane... you show it when you CHECK IN...
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To me this whole incident is kinda fishy. It is so predictable. Celente forecasted their would be a terrorist attack soon (December?) to give the government more momentum in their war on terror. I would not be surprised if there is someone other than Al Qaeda behind this.
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You idiot, ...concentrating on middle eastern looking people wouldn't have done diddly squat in this case.
The guy was Nigerian. Supposedly capable of passing as Sudanese. You know what that tells me... without seeing his picture, it tells me he is black. Not just Black (ie African American skin tones), ...but so Black, he's fucken purple. The war is NOT against muslims you moron, ...it is against terrorists. Terrorists can and do belong to any religion, ...and some are even atheists. Get a clue.
Was his name sudanese?
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To me this whole incident is kinda fishy. It is so predictable. Celente forecasted their would be a terrorist attack soon (December?) to give the government more momentum in their war on terror. I would not be surprised if there is someone other than Al Qaeda behind this.
Kind of eery how accurate Celente was with this. I listen to his clips and check his youtube site daily for updates. He has been saying we are going to get hit and Yemen would be an issue for the past few months.
Celente has been the ONLY ONE to talk avbout yemen at all lately.
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You know what that tells me... without seeing his picture, it tells me he is black. Not just Black (ie African American skin tones), ...but so Black, he's fucken purple.
have you ever been wrong?
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fucking racist