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When it obvioulsy makes bodybuilders look shittier.
Pre GH era:
(http://www.planetagalerias.com/data/504/paul.jpg)
GH era:
(http://forums.fitness.ee/uploads/monthly_09_2008/post-2813-1222277748.jpg)
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When it obvioulsy makes bodybuilders look shittier.
Pre GH era:
(http://www.planetagalerias.com/data/504/paul.jpg)
GH era:
(http://forums.fitness.ee/uploads/monthly_09_2008/post-2813-1222277748.jpg)
wrong.
demayo was GH era.
try it and you'll see why it works. adds a fullness and '3D look' that anabolics alone can't.
too much is not a good thing either. seems the guys who are winning the Nats, from wheelers time till now have always had very good physiques without looking too 'drugged up'.
maybe it's using GH for just a few years instead of decades is better for a cleaner, healthier look- build the muscle you want, without over doing it.
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wrong.
demayo was GH era.
perhaps, but probably not while he was an amateur. it wasn't widely available and still much too expensive. but its really the combination of gh and insulin that causes the ugly physiques
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mainly the problem isnt due to gh its insulin in combination with GH
yes very high dose of gh can cause internal growth ::BUT ;; the pregnant look is from GH+insulin...the combination!! + not enough patience to build the muscle in stages
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perhaps, but probably not while he was an amateur. it wasn't widely available and still much too expensive. but its really the combination of gh and insulin that causes the ugly physiques
Right , Bob Paris talked about the first time he used growth hormone in his book. In an interview Dorian was asked after seeing the black & whites pics of him at 269 pounds if that was the first time he tried GH , he said NO !
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Right , Bob Paris talked about the first time he used growth hormone in his book. In an interview Dorian was asked after seeing the black & whites pics of him at 269 pounds if that was the first time he tried GH , he said NO !
But by that was he impling that he'd been using it before then?
I've heard (from a very accurate source) that Dorian didn't start using GH until '93.
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yes very high dose of gh can cause internal growth ::BUT ;; the pregnant look is from GH+insulin
internal organ growth is not really the issue people thought it was. the pregnant look from gh and insulin is from visceral fat stored around the internal organs.
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But by that was he impling that he'd been using it before then?
I've heard (from a very accurate source) that Dorian didn't start using GH until '93.
he said it wasn't the first time he tried it.
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Dorian has admitted to using GH in the late 80s. There was an interview posted here a few years ago where he talked about it.
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internal organ growth is not really the issue people thought it was. the pregnant look from gh and insulin is from visceral fat stored around the internal organs.
Even this is just a theory for now in my opinion. I haven't seen any body scans of ripped to shreds pros where we can see this visceral fat. Off season, when fat, there's most likely tons of visceral fat. But when in shape? I don't know. And distension seems pretty permanent too, even if you stop using insulin. I doubt the fat should be impossible to burn off. It could be that once the abdominal wall is stretched out you'll always have the distension when relaxing the abs, worsened when doing heavy carb loads, etc.
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When it obvioulsy makes bodybuilders look shittier.
Pre GH era:
(http://www.planetagalerias.com/data/504/paul.jpg)
GH era:
(http://forums.fitness.ee/uploads/monthly_09_2008/post-2813-1222277748.jpg)
You're comparing a guy with incredible genetics to another guy who not only has horrible genetics, but also obviously abused synthol/seo to a ridiculous degree, and probably numerous other drugs also in addition to gH.
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Even this is just a theory for now in my opinion. I haven't seen any body scans of ripped to shreds pros where we can see this visceral fat. Off season, when fat, there's most likely tons of visceral fat. But when in shape? I don't know. And distension seems pretty permanent too, even if you stop using insulin. I doubt the fat should be impossible to burn off. It could be that once the abdominal wall is stretched out you'll always have the distension when relaxing the abs, worsened when doing heavy carb loads, etc.
The main culprit is Insulin IMO...high doses of GH compound this. I also think that overeating is a huge cause. Dieting now with GH/t3/clen/etc can allow one to be far more lazy in their approach then back in the Iron Age. Since you can eat far more calories while still dropping fat, I think that stomach never really has a reason to shrink back down from the off season.
Also I think that distention might be somewhat genetic... I didn't touch a steroid till I was 26...and even then I only dabbled in them for a about three months or so. Before that I was able to hold quite a bit of muscle for a natural...5'11 240ish while only being 12-13 percent bodyfat...but I have always had some stomach distension even at that level of fat. Its not too noticeable when I keep it in check, but to the untrained eye... it may look like I carry more fat then I actually do in street clothes. I have no idea why this is...but I can say that I am VERY carb sensitive...a little seems to go a long way with me...so there may be some insulin sensitivity issues at play.
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When it obvioulsy makes bodybuilders look shittier.
WRONG...
Arnold and the other top guys in the 70's were taking growth hormone obtained from human cadavers.
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The main culprit is Insulin IMO...high doses of GH compound this. I also think that overeating is a huge cause. Dieting now with GH/t3/clen/etc can allow one to be far more lazy in their approach then back in the Iron Age. Since you can eat far more calories while still dropping fat, I think that stomach never really has a reason to shrink back down from the off season.
Also I think that distention might be somewhat genetic... I didn't touch a steroid till I was 26...and even then I only dabbled in them for a about three months or so. Before that I was able to hold quite a bit of muscle for a natural...5'11 240ish while only being 12-13 percent bodyfat...but I have always had some stomach distension even at that level of fat. Its not too noticeable when I keep it in check, but to the untrained eye... it may look like I carry more fat then I actually do in street clothes. I have no idea why this is...but I can say that I am VERY carb sensitive...a little seems to go a long way with me...so there may be some insulin sensitivity issues at play.
Distention comes from insulin. I made this statement 8 years ago on Chad's board and he agreed with me. Everyone was speculating it was GH.
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Distention comes from insulin. I made this statement 8 years ago on Chad's board and he agreed with me. Everyone was speculating it was GH.
Definately insulin, my dad has diabetes and his daily injections have given him this distension.
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Distention comes from insulin. I made this statement 8 years ago on Chad's board and he agreed with me. Everyone was speculating it was GH.
Well since I have said the same thing for a LONG time on here (that Insulin is the primary culprit), I'm not sure if you are trying to disagree with me or not.
Also Chad is hardly worth name dropping as a validation to anything...the man is a glorified babysitter/diuretic pusher, and has ruined just as many physiques, (if not more), then he has helped.
Sadly bodybuilders are lazy, and since they wont take the time to do research on their own, anyone can come at them trying to sound verbose, and in the process will wind up coming off as knowledgeable and impressive. Also when you are dealing with Genetic mutants like Ronnie Coleman, you could probably tell him to to eat 20 pounds of beets, and orange roughy a day, while mainlining x, and mountain dew, and still get great results.
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Ok, if whether its GH Insulin or mom's meat loaf, why don't comptitive bodybuilders just stop doing it if it ruins their physiques?
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Arnold and the other top guys in the 70's were taking growth hormone obtained from human cadavers.
I don't believe it, but even if it were true, it could have only been a few IUs a week because there wasn't just that much around. And who was paying for these drugs? Therapeutic doses for children was $30k.
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Well since I have said the same thing for a LONG time on here (that Insulin is the primary culprit), I'm not sure if you are trying to disagree with me or not.
Also Chad is hardly worth name dropping as a validation to anything...the man is a glorified babysitter/diuretic pusher, and has ruined just as many physiques, (if not more), then he has helped.
Sadly bodybuilders are lazy, and since they wont take the time to do research on their own, anyone can come at them trying to sound verbose, and will come off as knowledgeable and impressive, of course when you are dealing with Genetic mutants like Ronnie Coleman, you could probably tell him to to eat 20 pounds of beets, and orange roughy a day, while mainlining x, and mountain dew, and still get great results.
This was 8 years ago, Chad was the man back then - he made Ronnie Mr. Olympia and the most shredded he has ever been.
Yes, he has destroyed many physiques since, but keep the time period in mind.
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Distention comes from insulin. I made this statement 8 years ago on Chad's board and he agreed with me. Everyone was speculating it was GH.
Sure, but it's not like there's no bodybuilders who never did insulin with distention. There's a reason it's been called a growth gut - because a number of bodybuilders noticed this effect from using GH. And there's bodybuilders who had distention without doing GH either. There's also a reason why it's been called a roid gut - because a number of bodybuilders notice increased distention when on steroids. Then there's guys such as myself and Topskin who had some distention before ever doing any drugs.
So yes, I would agree that insulin is the main player... but not the only cause. Structure, genetics, overeating and lots of drugs all affect it. The more overstuffed you are with drugs, food and muscle the more likely it is you'll also have a big gut.
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Ok, if whether its GH Insulin or mom's meat loaf, why don't comptitive bodybuilders just stop doing it if it ruins their physiques?
Because sadly most bodybuilders work on a "monkey see monkey do" system. Instead of putting their own sense of craft/aesthetics/values into the way they approach their physique, presentation, they simply opt to do what everyone else says is the "in" thing. One person raises the bar/standard and the rest follow.
In the case of Slin... First there was Duchaine, which was the real pioneer of its use in Pro bodybuilding...Dorian was the first to really grasp its potential, he ran with it, but he was also pragmatic enough to make it work for him instead of be a detriment. Others followed suit, trying to chase the size game and be competitive with Dorian, and instead of succeeding, many ruined their physiques, or turned to synthol to compensate.
When I was last pushing in Venice...Slin was one of the most popular items on the black market...even by normal everyday lifters who had no competitive ambitions...simply because they heard others were doing it. The amount of stupidity, and lack of individuality in this subculture is staggering, but it is just the way it is.
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Sure, but it's not like there's no bodybuilders who never did insulin with distention. There's a reason it's been called a growth gut - because a number of bodybuilders noticed this effect from using GH. And there's bodybuilders who had distention without doing GH either. There's also a reason why it's been called a roid gut - because a number of bodybuilders notice increased distention when on steroids. Then there's guys such as myself and Topskin who had some distention before ever doing any drugs.
So yes, I would agree that insulin is the main player... but not the only cause. Structure, genetics, overeating and lots of drugs all affect it. The more overstuffed you are with drugs, food and muscle the more likely it is you'll also have a big gut.
Well spoken...this is one of the most well rounded statements on the issue. Insulin is the main problem...but there are many other factors that play into it.
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has to be some kind of genetic factor involved cause I use 40iu slin ed and 10iu gh for about a yr and I did 4iu for like 3yr starting the day I turned 23 and didnt stop til 25 and only for like 3 months, I'm 27 now.......always did it with slin since day 1
typical for yrs was 20ius ed slin and 4-6iu gh (jinos then red tops)
and I am 276-280 and I have a gut but by no means a 'growth' gut but I diet soon so we'll see
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has to be some kind of genetic factor involved cause I use 40iu slin ed and 10iu gh for about a yr and I did 4iu for like 3yr starting the day I turned 23 and didnt stop til 25 and only for like 3 months, I'm 27 now.......always did it with slin since day 1
typical for yrs was 20ius ed slin and 4-6iu gh (jinos then red tops)
and I am 276-280 and I have a gut but by no means a 'growth' gut but I diet soon so we'll see
How the hell do you afford that being a non pro ??? Id love to try it but having to use long term to really see the benifits and the cost really puts me off..
On that , why is it so dear ???
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How the hell do you afford that being a non pro ??? Id love to try it but having to use long term to really see the benifits and the cost really puts me off..
On that , why is it so dear ???
its like $100/kit....I make it happen and still manage to smoke good herb without a real job but that shit has to change soon cause I am basically a loser - no career
gh to me makes the combination complete......i started using it first off to get that round look to the muscle bellies but as I was working on my degree in exercise physilogy I started researching more of the protein syntheisis effects and how protein is found in many tissue in your body.....ur muscles, skin(elastin).....but at 25 who the fuck needs 'rejivination' thats when I 'upped the dose'
but once you get the combo right with HG test, slin, gh, t3, clen, some dec/eq, lil orals here and there.........its just the icing on the cake
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willgrant has his priorities elsewhere
basically he has a very expensive ride.. and when people really want something they find a way to afford it anyway
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willgrant has his priorities elsewhere
basically he has a very expensive ride.. and when people really want something they find a way to afford it anyway
true I drive a 2001 expedition and have no rent cause I live with my parents....its samething as someone who goes out to bars and drops $100 easily on drinks/tips...I never do that shit, I just work in bars, drink sometimes but I blaze alot
but that married chick is on her way right now...she just txtd me from charlotte....but I still need to get my shit str8
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its like $100/kit...
in what country? in the US, a kit of 7 - 5 or 6 mg vials of Serostim can cost $2000 from a pharmacy, $500 on the black market (thank insurance companies and ADAP for the price difference)
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in what country? in the US, a kit of 7 - 5 or 6 mg vials of Serostim can cost $2000 from a pharmacy, $500 on the black market (thank insurance companies and ADAP for the price difference)
Tim how can you have missed the China connection? ???
It's like when you said American bodybuilders need access to dbol. ???
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has to be some kind of genetic factor involved cause I use 40iu slin ed and 10iu gh for about a yr and I did 4iu for like 3yr starting the day I turned 23 and didnt stop til 25 and only for like 3 months, I'm 27 now.......always did it with slin since day 1
typical for yrs was 20ius ed slin and 4-6iu gh (jinos then red tops)
and I am 276-280 and I have a gut but by no means a 'growth' gut but I diet soon so we'll see
you have really good skin, especially for a long term steroid user (no homo). Do you do anything specific to keep it clean or are the juicers at my gym just dirty individuals?
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internal organ growth is not really the issue people thought it was. the pregnant look from gh and insulin is from visceral fat stored around the internal organs.
i dont either think internal growth via gh is the main culprit and i agree with you visceral fat caused by gh+insulin combo is main thing i believe.
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big belly started to really pop in early 90s.like 92-93..when insulin use became more common. gh use took of earlier in like late 80s..but used before that too..i think 85 was year of somatrem (FDA approved) then came somatropin. and even before that yuo had human cadaver GH
so big belly started to pup after insulin+gh combo really started to get used
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big belly started to really pop in early 90s.like 92-93..when insulin use became more common. gh use took of earlier in like late 80s..but used before that too..i think 85 was year of somatrem (FDA approved) then came somatropin. and even before that yuo had human cadaver GH
so big belly started to pup after insulin+gh combo really started to get used
You're starting to sound more and more like GH15.
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90s bodybuilders top of the line: foundation built in 80s without insulin and in many cases without gh...aas>gh>insulin. after muscular platform in place then gh and insulin are added. the belly comes late(r) ; you get a few years of peaking at top (max 5-6 years, many cases less)
00s: foundation never built from bottom up.!! belly comes early! you seldom peak without pregnant look ; when the rest of the body peaks, belly is already awaiting twins.
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Ok, if whether its GH Insulin or mom's meat loaf, why don't comptitive bodybuilders just stop doing it if it ruins their physiques?
that would be like deciding to race in the Le Mans with a 400 while every one else pushes 505.
They eat too much, take too much, don't belt their bellies in during heavy lifts, don't practice vacuums and they have indeed altered their current genetic state with just the drugs it taks to do it.
I personally did the Neanderthal Caveman look.
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Tim how can you have missed the China connection? ???
It's like when you said American bodybuilders need access to dbol. ???
cheapest red tops i have seen were $1.70 per IU with a 500 IU minimum plus shipping. $100 a kit sounds rediculously cheap! is a good starting dose 4 IU's? could i expect much muscle gains (hyperplasia) or just some fat burning?
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Even this is just a theory for now in my opinion. I haven't seen any body scans of ripped to shreds pros where we can see this visceral fat. Off season, when fat, there's most likely tons of visceral fat. But when in shape? I don't know. And distension seems pretty permanent too, even if you stop using insulin. I doubt the fat should be impossible to burn off. It could be that once the abdominal wall is stretched out you'll always have the distension when relaxing the abs, worsened when doing heavy carb loads, etc.
well written and ive thought the same for some time. It does help with the pro's psychii though to think that it is reversible..and for people who support BB's "ways"..
Seems in addition to this, there appears to be a higher likelihood that it is growth, rather than a different mechanism acting since the drugs purpose is to issue growth. Even in therapeutic cases fat has been shown to be greatly reduced through GH use.
Add 'slin to this and you've got an ability to supply calories to a hormonal system that is sending out growth signals...
doesnt make sense that all of a sudden its storing fat.
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willgrant has his priorities elsewhere
basically he has a very expensive ride.. and when people really want something they find a way to afford it anyway
I could find a way I guess but im not hiring out my asshole to nobody :D
I still dont see why it is so dear. for it to have any real benifits it needs running long term and @ 4 iu a day. I had some priced up and it worked out to 800 -1000 a month , this was real from a pharmacy(script) but fed onto the BM.
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I could find a way I guess but im not hiring out my asshole to nobody :D
I still dont see why it is so dear. for it to have any real benifits it needs running long term and @ 4 iu a day. I had some priced up and it worked out to 800 -1000 a month , this was real from a pharmacy(script) but fed onto the BM.
order it from china.
$100-125 USD a kit in lots of 10.
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its like $100/kit....I make it happen and still manage to smoke good herb without a real job but that shit has to change soon cause I am basically a loser - no career
gh to me makes the combination complete......i started using it first off to get that round look to the muscle bellies but as I was working on my degree in exercise physilogy I started researching more of the protein syntheisis effects and how protein is found in many tissue in your body.....ur muscles, skin(elastin).....but at 25 who the fuck needs 'rejivination' thats when I 'upped the dose'
but once you get the combo right with HG test, slin, gh, t3, clen, some dec/eq, lil orals here and there.........its just the icing on the cake
you look great (no homo)
What are your plans? turn pro, go to school, get a job ?
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spike looks great, always good to see there people who actualy train on here,,,,
if u dont weigh over 220 u shouldnt ask questions of men of muscle, imo...
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true I drive a 2001 expedition and have no rent cause I live with my parents....its samething as someone who goes out to bars and drops $100 easily on drinks/tips...I never do that shit, I just work in bars, drink sometimes but I blaze alot
but that married chick is on her way right now...she just txtd me from charlotte....but I still need to get my shit str8
Wait a minute? You're 27 years old and still live with your parents? What's with men nowadays? There use to be a time where a guy couldn't wait to get out on their own. Start pulling their own weight, being an adult, having the freedom and responsibility that comes with supporting yourself and earning a living. Of course, that meant one had to scale down. Rough it a bit. Every guy use to have stories about their first place that was inevitably a one room dive. But at least they had some pride as a man and things would eventually get better as they climb the ladder of life.
I'm sure most people here could afford 10ius gh a day as well as all the other drugs you use so you can look big if they didn't have rent/mortgage payments. Not to mention the generous training time available to one who is supported by others.
So where do you bang this married women? Do you go in some park bathroom, behind the bushes, sneak her in through your bedroom window, rent a motel room?
The modern American male seems to be locked in perpetual adolescence and refuses to grow up. And why should they? It's not easy being a grown up and who wants to struggle a bit anymore? Why bother when you have someone who will take care of you as you near thirty? Mommy and Daddy are there footing the bill.
The problem is so endemic that it's gotten to a point where there isn't really any shame or embarrassment for a man to publicly admit that they still live with their parents in their late twenties.
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Wait a minute? You're 27 years old and still live with your parents? What's with men nowadays? There use to be a time where a guy couldn't wait to get out on their own. Start pulling their own weight, being an adult, having the freedom and responsibility that comes with supporting yourself and earning a living. Of course, that meant one had to scale down. Rough it a bit. Every guy use to have stories about their first place that was inevitably a one room dive. But at least they had some pride as a man and things would eventually get better as they climb the ladder of life.
I'm sure most people here could afford 10ius gh a day as well as all the other drugs you use so you can look big if they didn't have rent/mortgage payments. Not to mention the generous training time available to one who is supported by others.
So where do you bang this married women? Do you go in some park bathroom, behind the bushes, sneak her in through your bedroom window, rent a motel room?
The modern American male seems to be locked in perpetual adolescence and refuses to grow up. And why should they? It's not easy being a grown up and who wants to struggle a bit anymore? Why bother when you have someone who will take care of you as you near thirty? Mommy and Daddy are there footing the bill.
The problem is so endemic that it's gotten to a point where there isn't really any shame or embarrassment for a man to publicly admit that they still live with their parents in their late twenties.
Brutal truth...
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Perhaps it's the truth, but when parents themselves are the ones who are trying to ensure 'every chance' of success for their kids, it's not surprising when they stay in the nest too long. Living in that 'dive' back in the day didn't cost you what it does today...in order to live in the city they grew up in, you 'could' rent a room for a lot of cash, all the while not banking anything cause of the cost of living. There really isn't a choice; you have to either move to a smaller town or never own a house because the cost of living is so high.
Staying at home until you're done school perhaps, but to stay any longer than that is arrested development.
I wonder how people out there making minimum wage jobs ever get ahead.
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The problem is so endemic that it's gotten to a point where there isn't really any shame or embarrassment for a man to publicly admit that they still live with their parents in their late twenties.
I was watching some documentary about guys in Italy living at home until they get married and many were 30+. It was normal and they were even proud of it. Same with some middle easterners. A middle eastern friend of mine said the most honorable thing to do is live at home if for example your mother is a widow and not remarried. And even if parents are together nothing wrong with staying at home. Same with some Yugoslavians I know. One successful Yugoslavian old school bodybuilder lived (still lives as far as I know) with his mother and he's like 60+. :o Another Yugoslavian bb friend of mine, a guy with multiple businesses and financially independent (according to himself at least) lived at home into his 30s. Real player too. I think he did have a downtown pad for just the purpose of banging chicks but he lived at home. :D
My impression of American culture is that it's the opposite there. You should really get out as quick as possible, preferably at 15-16 and then not have too much contact with family to be independent. :D Different cultures.
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if u dont weigh over 220 u shouldnt ask questions of men of muscle, imo...
let me take a wild guess.
....American?
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Perhaps it's the truth, but when parents themselves are the ones who are trying to ensure 'every chance' of success for their kids, it's not surprising when they stay in the nest too long. Living in that 'dive' back in the day didn't cost you what it does today...in order to live in the city they grew up in, you 'could' rent a room for a lot of cash, all the while not banking anything cause of the cost of living. There really isn't a choice; you have to either move to a smaller town or never own a house because the cost of living is so high.
Staying at home until you're done school perhaps, but to stay any longer than that is arrested development.
I wonder how people out there making minimum wage jobs ever get ahead.
If someone is going to school then that is a different story. I do think it's part of a parent's responsibility to provide for their children's education. If a kid refuses or doesn't want to further his education then maybe give him a couple of years to work and save and then get your ass out there and hustle like everybody else.
And I don't buy that it's harder or more expensive now to be out on your own. It's because people don't want to struggle and scrap it like previous generations did. I had to work 3 jobs, 7 days a week at 18 yrs to afford my one room studio. I slept on the floor in a sleeping bag, had no oven or kitchen sink but still manage to scrimp and save and was eventually able to put myself through school. It took a while and I didn't graduate until I was 27 years old. The same age Spike is now. Of course, I couldn't afford 10ius GH a day alone with all the anabolics required to build his 275lbs with abs. I also didn't have the time or funds to blazed some quality herb and bang married women.
I know Spike has a lot of fans here because he's jacked and this is a bodybuilding board and that what people here seem to admire most. But as a quality human being? I'll go with the 165 lb twink who joins the military and tries to make something of himself.
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If someone is going to school then that is a different story. I do think it's part of a parent's responsibility to provide for their children's education. If a kid refuses or doesn't want to further his education then maybe give him a couple of years to work and save and then get your ass out there and hustle like everybody else.
And I don't buy that it's harder or more expensive now to be out on your own. It's because people don't want to struggle and scrap it like previous generations did. I had to work 3 jobs, 7 days a week at 18 yrs to afford my one room studio. I slept on the floor in a sleeping bag, had no oven or kitchen sink but still manage to scrimp and save and was eventually able to put myself through school. It took a while and I didn't graduate until I was 27 years old. The same age Spike is now. Of course, I couldn't afford 10ius GH a day alone with all the anabolics required to build his 275lbs with abs. I also didn't have the time or funds to blazed some quality herb and bang married women.
I know Spike has a lot of fans here because he's jacked and this is a bodybuilding board and that what people here seem to admire most. But as a quality human being? I'll go with the 165 lb twink who joins the military and tries to make something of himself.
great post. you and 99.9999% of decent women.
Living at home into your late, or even mid 20s for no other reason than being a soft cock is for complete losers.
to do it so you can afford drugs makes even fellow losers refer to you as a tool.
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I was watching some documentary about guys in Italy living at home until they get married and many were 30+. It was normal and they were even proud of it. Same with some middle easterners. A middle eastern friend of mine said the most honorable thing to do is live at home if for example your mother is a widow and not remarried. And even if parents are together nothing wrong with staying at home. Same with some Yugoslavians I know. One successful Yugoslavian old school bodybuilder lived (still lives as far as I know) with his mother and he's like 60+. :o Another Yugoslavian bb friend of mine, a guy with multiple businesses and financially independent (according to himself at least) lived at home into his 30s. Real player too. I think he did have a downtown pad for just the purpose of banging chicks but he lived at home. :D
My impression of American culture is that it's the opposite there. You should really get out as quick as possible, preferably at 15-16 and then not have too much contact with family to be independent. :D Different cultures.
"Preferably at 15-16?" Come on, Van! Don't be a moron.
It's one thing of a man to have a parent live with him than he living with his parents. There is, or use to be, a desire for a man to get out there and strike out on his own. It's different for women. And it doesn't surprise me that it's different in Europe. They come from a far more socialist culture than we do (though that's changing here in the US) and are every comfortable being taken care of by others. Whether it's the government or their parents. But there's always a trade off between freedom and security. One of the traditions of Americans and one of the reasons it was founded was for freedom. But as people become lazy and soft they tend to leave it in the hands of others to take care of them even if it means giving up some freedoms.
How old where you Van before you finally cut the umbilical cord? Or do you still live with your parents.
Remember someone posted that video of a Danish bodybuilder who was very massive but emotionally stunted? One of things that made him so pathetic was that he still lived with his mother. He even lied about it when he was out on a date and a girl asked if he had his own place. At least he was ashamed about it. The final nail in the coffin of arrested development was when, after being chewed out by his mother, he comes to her room later and asks if he could slept with her. It was obvious that there wasn't anything sexual about it but that he felt sad and wanted to be with his mommy.
I guess some people think this is touching and endearing.
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order it from china.
$100-125 USD a kit in lots of 10.
I would love to mate but customs downunder are tighter than a nun's cu nt :-[
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great post. you and 99.9999% of decent women.
Living at home into your late, or even mid 20s for no other reason than being a soft cock is for complete losers.
to do it so you can afford drugs makes even fellow losers refer to you as a tool.
True about the 99.999% of decent women. Too bad that there's only about 5% of the female population that are decent (speaking of Americans as I don't know how it is else where). That's one of the reasons why it was pretty much a non issue that Spike was so unashamed about starting a thread about whether it was OK to be with a married woman and mentioning what he would do to a guy if the guy did to his wife what he was doing to this married women. The kicker was that this vapid tramp insisted that Spike stay loyal to her and not cheat on her. LOL! It's amazing how far we have fallen in such a short time. Two generations ago a boy of 16 would lie about his age so he can fight for his country. Now they live with their parents as they near thirty, bulk themselves up to absurd proportions so they can feel like a man, and wonder if it's OK to fuk married women.
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"Preferably at 15-16?" Come on, Van! Don't be a moron.
It's one thing of a man to have a parent live with him than he living with his parents. There is, or use to be, a desire for a man to get out there and strike out on his own. It's different for women. And it doesn't surprise me that it's different in Europe. They come from a far more socialist culture than we do (though that's changing here in the US) and are every comfortable being taken care of by others. Whether it's the government or their parents. But there's always a trade off between freedom and security. One of the traditions of Americans and one of the reasons it was founded was for freedom. But as people become lazy and soft they tend to leave it in the hands of others to take care of them even if it means giving up some freedoms.
How old where you Van before you finally cut the umbilical cord? Or do you still live with your parents.
Remember someone posted that video of a Danish bodybuilder who was very massive but emotionally stunted? One of things that made him so pathetic was that he still lived with his mother. He even lied about it when he was out on a date and a girl asked if he had his own place. At least he was ashamed about it. The final nail in the coffin of arrested development was when, after being chewed out by his mother, he comes to her room later and asks if he could slept with her. It was obvious that there wasn't anything sexual about it but that he felt sad and wanted to be with his mommy.
I guess some people think this is touching and endearing.
This is kinda thread hijacking, but it would make an interesting thread itself: How old is too old to stay at home. Maybe with some criteria such as age, culture, that kinda thing. Was this a documentary or something about the man sleeping with his mommy?...wtf?
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"Preferably at 15-16?" Come on, Van! Don't be a moron.
It's one thing of a man to have a parent live with him than he living with his parents. There is, or use to be, a desire for a man to get out there and strike out on his own. It's different for women. And it doesn't surprise me that it's different in Europe. They come from a far more socialist culture than we do (though that's changing here in the US) and are every comfortable being taken care of by others. Whether it's the government or their parents. But there's always a trade off between freedom and security. One of the traditions of Americans and one of the reasons it was founded was for freedom. But as people become lazy and soft they tend to leave it in the hands of others to take care of them even if it means giving up some freedoms.
How old where you Van before you finally cut the umbilical cord? Or do you still live with your parents.
Remember someone posted that video of a Danish bodybuilder who was very massive but emotionally stunted? One of things that made him so pathetic was that he still lived with his mother. He even lied about it when he was out on a date and a girl asked if he had his own place. At least he was ashamed about it. The final nail in the coffin of arrested development was when, after being chewed out by his mother, he comes to her room later and asks if he could slept with her. It was obvious that there wasn't anything sexual about it but that he felt sad and wanted to be with his mommy.
I guess some people think this is touching and endearing.
Listen, I'm in Europe which is why I said my impression was that the ideal was to cut the chord real early in America. I wasn't really making a value judgment for either scenario, it was more an observation of different views in different cultures. I don't know if those who live at home always do it because they want someone else to take care of them financially. Maybe they just feel secure in other ways, I don't know. Like my friend who had the money but still lived at home.
I was a bit over 20 when I moved (over 30 now), pretty normal for Sweden I guess.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA lot of guys in the thread epicly outraged that they didnt get the chance or didnt take advantage of their chance to live at home and live the good life... spike your like my older brother i never had... you even kinda look like me lol
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA lot of guys in the thread epicly outraged that they didnt get the chance or didnt take advantage of their chance to live at home and live the good life... spike your like my older brother i never had... you even kinda look like me lol
So you consider the good life is for a man nearing 30 to still be living with his mommy?
You sound like a perfect example of how men today are no where near the level of men from previous generations.
No wonder you like to let other men fuck you in the ass and then post about it and describe how it feels. I'm sure Spike will be very flattered that you think you have any resemblance to him.
We are in a sorry state indeed.
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"Preferably at 15-16?" Come on, Van! Don't be a moron.
It's one thing of a man to have a parent live with him than he living with his parents. There is, or use to be, a desire for a man to get out there and strike out on his own. It's different for women. And it doesn't surprise me that it's different in Europe. They come from a far more socialist culture than we do (though that's changing here in the US) and are every comfortable being taken care of by others. Whether it's the government or their parents. But there's always a trade off between freedom and security. One of the traditions of Americans and one of the reasons it was founded was for freedom. But as people become lazy and soft they tend to leave it in the hands of others to take care of them even if it means giving up some freedoms.
How old where you Van before you finally cut the umbilical cord? Or do you still live with your parents.
Remember someone posted that video of a Danish bodybuilder who was very massive but emotionally stunted? One of things that made him so pathetic was that he still lived with his mother. He even lied about it when he was out on a date and a girl asked if he had his own place. At least he was ashamed about it. The final nail in the coffin of arrested development was when, after being chewed out by his mother, he comes to her room later and asks if he could slept with her. It was obvious that there wasn't anything sexual about it but that he felt sad and wanted to be with his mommy.
I guess some people think this is touching and endearing.
it was a movie with actors, written script for cripes sake, not real life!
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So you consider the good life is for a man nearing 30 to still be living with his mommy?
You sound like a perfect example of how men today are no where near the level of men from previous generations.
No wonder you like to let other men fuck you in the ass and then post about it and describe how it feels. I'm sure Spike will be very flattered that you think you have any resemblance to him.
We are in a sorry state indeed.
Are you suggesting that perhaps "tbombz" (oh brother) has a male there in the house that he cannot break away from, no matter how "hard" he tries?
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it was a movie with actors, written script for cripes sake, not real life!
I know that. A point was being made. The contrast: big muscle man/mommy's boy that never grew up.
It's becoming more and more common for men to opt for the security and safety, not to mention financial responsibility, of living with their parents and never grow up.
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these guys that live at home live like kings
mom buys and cooks the food, irons and washes the clothes, pays for all expenses etc.
it's not fair >:(
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So you consider the good life is for a man nearing 30 to still be living with his mommy?
You sound like a perfect example of how men today are no where near the level of men from previous generations.
No wonder you like to let other men fuck you in the ass and then post about it and describe how it feels. I'm sure Spike will be very flattered that you think you have any resemblance to him.
We are in a sorry state indeed.
Brutal owning...
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA lot of guys in the thread epicly outraged that they didnt get the chance or didnt take advantage of their chance to live at home and live the good life... spike your like my older brother i never had... you even kinda look like me lol
x2 ;D