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Men believed behind airplane plot were freed from Gitmo
Chicago Breaking News ^ | 12/28/2009 | Chicago Breaking News
Posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 3:33:05 PM by Velveeta
Edited on Monday, December 28, 2009 3:54:43 PM by Admin Moderator. [history]
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Two of the four leaders allegedly behind the al Qaeda plot to blow up a Northwest Airlines passenger jet over Detroit were released by the U.S. from the Guantanamo prison in November, 2007, ABC News is reporting, quoting American officials and citing Department of Defense documents.
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Why are we closing Gitmo down again?
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Another gold star for dubya, releasing terrorists.
how many has Obama released? ;)
He's moving them to supermax prisons where we already have thousands of terrorists doing life sentences with zero chance of parole.
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Another gold star for dubya, releasing terrorists.
how many has Obama released? ;)
He's moving them to supermax prisons where we already have thousands of terrorists doing life sentences with zero chance of parole.
This is another disgrace and stain on the awful last idiot we had to endure.
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33, are you okay with obama's decision to put these punks in supermax prison?
once they are imprisoned, they aren't getting out. the next person in office, no matter what lib or what dubya, can't go releasing them. isn't that a VERY GOOD thing? Locking their asses up for life?
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33, are you okay with obama's decision to put these punks in supermax prison?
once they are imprisoned, they aren't getting out. the next person in office, no matter what lib or what dubya, can't go releasing them. isn't that a VERY GOOD thing? Locking their asses up for life?
I have no problem with Gitmo. Supermax is ok too I guess, but I prefer Gitmo since it is off the mainland.
This is another wonderful gift from W.
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Gitmo sucks becuase it allows future presidents - from either party - to release terrorists when politically convenient.
Obama is making sure the next guy can't let them go. Obama isn't letting them go! bush did!
33, I know you don't like Obama, but you have to admit his move - not releasing them, but locking them up for life in supermax - sure beats leaving them for the next lib to release, right?
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Gitmo sucks becuase it allows future presidents - from either party - to release terrorists when politically convenient.
Obama is making sure the next guy can't let them go. Obama isn't letting them go! bush did!
33, I know you don't like Obama, but you have to admit his move - not releasing them, but locking them up for life in supermax - sure beats leaving them for the next lib to release, right?
it also makes a mockery of our legal system and opens to the doors to a plethora of appeals that could let these ppl get off on technicalities 240...
you know you are really a silver lining kinda guy when it comes to liberals but you dont apply that same mentality to republicans, why is that?
hmmmm I think I know why ;)
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How many of Bush's gitmo guys were released? Bush released 250 of 750. 33%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees
How many of the thousands of terrorists in federal prisons have been released on appeals?
(Answer - a shitload less than 33%)
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How many of Bush's gitmo guys were released? Bush released 250 of 750. 33%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees
How many of the thousands of terrorists in federal prisons have been released on appeals?
(Answer - a shitload less than 33%)
how many of those were processed in a civilian court under civilian laws the moment they were arrested?
your bias is getting the better of you jack ass, how many of those gitmo detainees had their miranda rights read to them?, how many were given the right to an attorney?, how many were subjected to unlawful interrogation techniques under our civilian law?
dumb fuck ::)
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tony,
was bush wrong to release 1/3 of the gitmo terrorists?
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tony,
was bush wrong to release 1/3 of the gitmo terrorists?
its not that easy 240, you see this is what I was talking about with the silver lining and obama and a broad brush to condemn bush and reps... ::)
the answer Id give is yes and no, Im sure there were detainees that shouldnt have been released but Im also sure that some of them probably did deserve to be released. If it were up to me I would have left them there tbh and that goes for obama as well.
Is it ok for obama and his administration to bypass civilian laws 240?
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Men believed behind airplane plot were freed from Gitmo
Chicago Breaking News ^ | 12/28/2009 | Chicago Breaking News
Posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 3:33:05 PM by Velveeta
Edited on Monday, December 28, 2009 3:54:43 PM by Admin Moderator. [history]
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Two of the four leaders allegedly behind the al Qaeda plot to blow up a Northwest Airlines passenger jet over Detroit were released by the U.S. from the Guantanamo prison in November, 2007, ABC News is reporting, quoting American officials and citing Department of Defense documents.
(Excerpt) Read more at chicagobreakingnews.com ...
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Why are we closing Gitmo down again?
How convenient he is from Gitmo... Maybe dumb as ameriac should not have ILLEGALLY brought these people over from the Middle East to begin with...they were, you know, NEVER CHARGE WITH HAVING DONE ANYTHING!
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How convenient he is from Gitmo... Maybe dumb as ameriac should not have ILLEGALLY brought these people over from the Middle East to begin with...they were, you know, NEVER CHARGE WITH HAVING DONE ANYTHING!
I'm still surprised how accurate Celente has been lately. He has been sayinh Yemen and terrorism for the past few weeks.
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its not that easy 240, you see this is what I was talking about with the silver lining and obama and a broad brush to condemn bush and reps... ::)
the answer Id give is yes and no, Im sure there were detainees that shouldnt have been released but Im also sure that some of them probably did deserve to be released. If it were up to me I would have left them there tbh and that goes for obama as well.
Is it ok for obama and his administration to bypass civilian laws 240?
bump for a response from silver lining 240
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Is it okay for them to bypass civilian laws? Hell yes. Those terrorists are enemy combatants - he could leave them on gitmo, lock them up, or hang em for all I care.
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Is it okay for them to bypass civilian laws? Hell yes. Those terrorists are enemy combatants - he could leave them on gitmo, lock them up, or hang em for all I care.
thats not civilian law, Is it ok for him to have them prosecuted in civilian courts while violating their civil rights, that we gave to them? ::)
you dont seem to understand what this leads to
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Obviously I don't want to see any of those pricks acquited. But Bush didn't prosecute them in military tribunal - IMO it was because there wasn't evidence.
In NYC, their asses will be convicted, even without evidence. On emotion alone. It might be the only way to get these guys locked up for life, so the next lib can't release them.
Bush sent a trillion dollars and a million men to the other side of the world to catch these bad guys - and we're supposed to believe he 'forgot' to prosecute them? No way. I don't think he had the evidence to. Obama's convicting them on emotion, I think we're all okay with that, as long as they're guilty.
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Obviously I don't want to see any of those pricks acquited. But Bush didn't prosecute them in military tribunal - IMO it was because there wasn't evidence.
In NYC, their asses will be convicted, even without evidence. On emotion alone. It might be the only way to get these guys locked up for life, so the next lib can't release them.
Bush sent a trillion dollars and a million men to the other side of the world to catch these bad guys - and we're supposed to believe he 'forgot' to prosecute them? No way. I don't think he had the evidence to. Obama's convicting them on emotion, I think we're all okay with that, as long as they're guilty.
so its ok for obama to violate civil rights? you understand what this leads to both for these ppl convicted and to us as citizens?
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I dont think terrorists deserve civil rights
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I dont think terrorists deserve civil rights
either do I which is why Im not in favor of them being given to them and then being rail roaded.
you didnt answer the question 240...
I asked if you thought it was ok for obama to violate civil rights now terrorist civil rights, CIVIL RIGHTS IN GENERAL
Do you understand what this leads to both for these ppl convicted and to us as citizens?
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i think they are currently in legal limbo.
i think obama will have most, if not all, of them convicted on emotion. they'll get life sentneces or death.
of course it's not right for obama to violate civil rights of americans.
if he railroads gitmo guys, i'm okay with that. convict them on emotion if that's all you can do. lock them up so hilary, palin, or whoever won't cave to public pressure to release them.
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i think they are currently in legal limbo.
i think obama will have most, if not all, of them convicted on emotion. they'll get life sentneces or death.
of course it's not right for obama to violate civil rights of americans.
if he railroads gitmo guys, i'm okay with that. convict them on emotion if that's all you can do. lock them up so hilary, palin, or whoever won't cave to public pressure to release them.
LOL pretty liberal of you 240, sorry hoss but the constitution is the constitution is the constitution it doesnt change with political whims.
This opens the door to not only appeals due to illegal procedures but also them rail roading OUR CIVIL RIGHTS....
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I think 240 randomly decides to chime in with postings about terrorism whenever he feels like ignoring the facts, accurate information posted on this board by myself and others on numerous occasions, and when he feels like musing about what a complete disaster Obama is from a national security standpoint.
Of course with 240, rampant speculation about GW Bush is bound to arise and fabulous accusations and inferences are drawn out of thin air to support his position.
For the last time, and try to read slowly and wipe the dust out of your eyes--- turn down your 8 track player and just pay attention.
The detainees were never supposed to be prosecuted until all relevant intel was extracted. Higher levels= obviously kept in detention longer. Those who were bled dry and with nothing else to offer, were supposed to be tried by military tribunal in accordance with the UCMJ. That means, no constitutional rights, no jury trial, counsel is appointed, no reasonable doubt standard of proof, no rules of evidence, no right to call your own witnesses etc. It also means the death penalty. Ok... Are you with me 240? Good.
Now fast forward to 2004 when the avalanche of litigation prompted by do gooder aclu douchebags (including AG Holders former law firm). While things were in limbo from a legal perspective, Bush could not do anything with these people except hold them, or let them go. The Supreme Court decided that the military tribunal process deprived detainees of their due process rights. So, a whole new set of military tribunals had to be created under the suprevision of the DC district court . Guess what? the liberal douche machine sued again and claimed that these NEW updated procedures were still not sufficent enough to meet constitutional muster. And guess what? The Supreme Court agreed again/
Finally, new procedures were implemented again-- ( Bush was almost out of office by now) and so far, nobody has sued. So explain to me what Bush did wrong exactly?
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tony,
non-americans don't deserve ANY civil rights.
enemy combatants don't even get geneva.
if they're convicted on emotion, so be it.
and of course obama just want sa clown trial for his own 2012 run as well.
gw,
thanks for that breakdown.
I didnt know the extent of how much lib lawsuits affected things.
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tony,
non-americans don't deserve ANY civil rights.
enemy combatants don't even get geneva.
if they're convicted on emotion, so be it.
and of course obama just want sa clown trial for his own 2012 run as well.
gw,
thanks for that breakdown.
I didnt know the extent of how much lib lawsuits affected things.
agreed I dont think they are due anything more then 2 to the head, but violating civil rights is not the answer...
you dont follow the constitution when it seems like it fits the situation you follow the constitution all the time...
I guess emotion is enough to convict ppl of crimes now? you dont seem to understand the ramifications of this obamanation(pun intended) to our civilian legal system.
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Should have killed these fuckheads on a CIA prison ship after interrogating them and washed their hands of it. Now we get the cluster fuck we have now.
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agreed I dont think they are due anything more then 2 to the head, but violating civil rights is not the answer...
you dont follow the constitution when it seems like it fits the situation you follow the constitution all the time...
I guess emotion is enough to convict ppl of crimes now? you dont seem to understand the ramifications of this obamanation(pun intended) to our civilian legal system.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. If you're the future of America, ...America is in deep deep poop.
Do you not see the ironic, hypocritical, moral, logical, and rational disconnect in your statement?
re-read your comment again. Do it slowly if you have to, but my goodness gracious... listen to yourself! ::)
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry. If you're the future of America, ...America is in deep deep poop.
Do you not see the ironic, hypocritical, moral, logical, and rational disconnect in your statement?
re-read your comment again. Do it slowly if you have to, but my goodness gracious... listen to yourself! ::)
Why? terrorists are not entitled to geneva convrention rights. When caught and debriefed, thiese savages need to walk the plank into shark infested waters.
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry. If you're the future of America, ...America is in deep deep poop.
Do you not see the ironic, hypocritical, moral, logical, and rational disconnect in your statement?
re-read your comment again. Do it slowly if you have to, but my goodness gracious... listen to yourself! ::)
LOL not at all try to follow the train of thought here...
they should not be given civilian rights, however if they are given civilian rights they MUST BE UP HELD because a railroading of them opens the door to a railroading of others...US as regular civilians.
240 is ok with them rotting, being killled, locked up without due process even though that opens the door to US being locked up without due process AS WELL AS THEM GETTING OUT ON APPEAL...but he doesnt feel citizens should be locked up without due process under the SAME SYSTEM.
but I made the Ironic and hypocritical comment? ::) nevermind 240 Im starting to see a pattern with the silver lining/knee padding and libs...