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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: quadzilla456 on December 28, 2009, 05:10:17 PM
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Yes this character from Africa "supposedly" tried to blow up an airplane over Detroit. It's as fake as the WMD's they did not find in Iraq. Look at the pattern here people. It's a lie to allow the USA to expand the military industrial complex. I love how they have everyone brainwashed about the terrorists. It's very easy to control the sheep with fear. Please open your eyes and see WTF is going on around you.
Check this out.
McVeigh Video Destroys OKC Bombing Official Story
http://bushstole04.com/fakewar/mcveigh_video_destroys_okc.htm (http://bushstole04.com/fakewar/mcveigh_video_destroys_okc.htm)
That individual has now been positively identified to be Timothy McVeigh, who according to the official timeline as endorsed by the FBI, was honorably discharged from the military for the last time in May 1992. And yet he is seen here on tape at a U.S. military base over a year after that date in August of 1993.
"I did not realize how significant what I had was, for many years," states Bean, "It was not until Mcveigh’s trial that I realized it was Mcveigh in the tank. Even then the larger point escaped me. That point is, McVeigh was not supposed to be in the military at that time. His military record shows him enlisting in 1988, being honorably discharged from the Army, on Dec. 31, 1991. His records then show he was in the Army reserve in Buffalo New York, from January 1992 until May 1992, he was then honorably discharged from the Army reserve. After May of 1992 he was never again in uniform on any base anywhere, never again part of the military. He was totally out of military service. The FBI states the only time they lose track of McVeigh, in his entire life, is the late summer of 93. They think he was somewhere between Kingman Arizona and Decker Michigan. Probably at gun shows, meeting antigovernment rightwing militia types. But he wasn’t, he was at Camp Grafton, in uniform, learning explosives and demolition!"
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Dude, I need you to help me understand. Why would you come to a country whose government you seem to hate and detest so much.
I'm really, really not trying to attack or bash you. I'm just trying to understand the reasoning. Why wouldn't you go to Spain, England, Germany, Japan, Australia, etc.
Again, not trying to knock you, I'm just trying to get my head around the reasoning because to me it just doesn't make any sense. Perhaps to you, it does, and maybe you can explain that.
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How is this fake? Because other things may have been fake?
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Any proof it's fake or are you another one of those retards that goes on assumption and expects the rest of us to? Another tinfoil hat wearer that can't back anything up beyond posting obscure youtube videos.
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Dude, I need you to help me understand. Why would you come to a country whose government you seem to hate and detest so much.
I'm really, really not trying to attack or bash you. I'm just trying to understand the reasoning. Why wouldn't you go to Spain, England, Germany, Japan, Australia, etc.
Again, not trying to knock you, I'm just trying to get my head around the reasoning because to me it just doesn't make any sense. Perhaps to you, it does, and maybe you can explain that.
When I came to this country it was different all together. Also back then all I cared about was Bodybuilding and couldn't care less about politics. I seriously did not even vote in my home country. I could not care anything about politics. However had I known then what I know now I would not have come here. In fact I am of opinion that all governments the world over are corrupt. It would be nice not to belong to any country. Can you be an individual not governed by anyone??
My wife is American and I already have so much invested here that it would not be easy for me to just take off. I could if I had to I guess. There are good people in USA. I have met average folk and Americans are not as bad as the rest of the world makes them out to be. My American family are very decent, hardworking people. I could only hope to be as hardworking as they are.
I am disillusioned about what I see going on around us. It all started for me last year when oil prices started creeping up and I read about "Peak Oil" in a National Geographic article. I started researching that concept and then later in the year the economy tanked. Gradually I became more and more aware of all the agendas out there. Once you start looking at what is going on in the world and the human forces behind events it all makes a lot more sense.
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Quad,
How is it fake?
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Any proof it's fake or are you another one of those retards that goes on assumption and expects the rest of us to? Another tinfoil hat wearer that can't back anything up beyond posting obscure youtube videos.
Well USA is falling apart financially. The only way to hold on to power is through war. If you don't see that you will never realize what is going on.
Did you know that before Iraq was invaded Sadam decided to sell his oil in Euros? Of course the dollar is the reserve currency and that did not sit well with the powers that be. There were no Weapon's of Mass Destruction found were there? That was the basis for invading Iraq. And Bush later joked about not finding them. Want me to post a video of that? Want me to post a video of your commander in chief joking about the Elite being his "Base"? His peeps? You sure ain't part of that club. So why do you defend a guy that has no respect for you??
There is so much proof it is not even funny. I could post hundreds of videos, articles etc. But all you have to do is look at what is happening to the country. It is actually quite simple.
Let me ask you this. Why did USA invade Vietnam? Tell me what the main reasons were. I will respond to your post.
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Quad,
How is it fake?
Let me see. Al Qaeda and USA were peeps in the 80s and 90s. They were bros, homies, etc. etc. Same thing with Sadam. They were tight. Reagan was tight with Sadam.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/ (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/)
Then all of a sudden they are enemies and needs to be destroyed.
That brings to mind another character - Hitler. He was also tight with everyone. He convinced Chamberlain that they were homies. And then he goes and attacks them after all.
How do you not see it??
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Let me see. Al Qaeda and USA were peeps in the 80s and 90s. They were bros, homies, etc. etc. Same thing with Sadam. They were tight. Reagan was tight with Sadam.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/ (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/)
Then all of a sudden they are enemies and needs to be destroyed.
That brings to mind another character - Hitler. He was also tight with everyone. He convinced Chamberlain that they were homies. And then he goes and attacks them after all.
How do you not see it??
How does that relate to this (detroit attempt) being fake? Please explain the connection because all you have done here is restate old alliances. The Germans and the Russians had a treaty/alliance too regarding Poland in 1939. So what? People have alliances that don't last all the time. We funded and aided the taliban in the 80's because of the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. So what? How is that partnership playing out now in Afghanistan?
What you stated seems to have zero relevance to supporting your contention.
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How does that relate to this (detroit attempt) being fake? Please explain the connection because all you have done here is restate old alliances. The Germans and the Russians had a treaty/alliance too regarding Poland in 1939. So what? People have alliances that don't last all the time. We funded and aided the taliban in the 80's because of the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. So what? How is that partnership playing out now in Afghanistan?
What you stated seems to have zero relevance to supporting your contention.
Sounds like something from the tinfoil hat school of thought.
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Yes this character from Africa "supposedly" tried to blow up an airplane over Detroit. It's as fake as the WMD's they did not find in Iraq. Look at the pattern here people. It's a lie to allow the USA to expand the military industrial complex. I love how they have everyone brainwashed about the terrorists. It's very easy to control the sheep with fear. Please open your eyes and see WTF is going on around you.
Check this out.
McVeigh Video Destroys OKC Bombing Official Story
http://bushstole04.com/fakewar/mcveigh_video_destroys_okc.htm (http://bushstole04.com/fakewar/mcveigh_video_destroys_okc.htm)
I agree with you one hundred thousand percent. these BLACK OPS are there to gain control over not only the masses in america, but in many countries around the world. Ever since america started this so called war on terror countries that have never had civil, terroristic, nationalist problems/events are now all of a sudden HOT BEDS of fighting, explosions, death, carnage etc. And of course the UBIQUITOUS AL QAIDA is everywhere (according to america).. It is funny that Al Qaida only shows up in places america show up...Hmmmmm? See a pattern???. Now I hear that Al Qaida is in Nigeria (ever since this supposed attempted plane bombing)...OH!.. You mean that African nation that also has all of that OIL? Like Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc.
WAKE UP PEOPLE ...YOU CAN NOT STILL BE DUMB ENOUGH TO CONTINUE BEING DUPED BY THIS BULLSHIT
That individual has now been positively identified to be Timothy McVeigh, who according to the official timeline as endorsed by the FBI, was honorably discharged from the military for the last time in May 1992. And yet he is seen here on tape at a U.S. military base over a year after that date in August of 1993.
"I did not realize how significant what I had was, for many years," states Bean, "It was not until Mcveigh’s trial that I realized it was Mcveigh in the tank. Even then the larger point escaped me. That point is, McVeigh was not supposed to be in the military at that time. His military record shows him enlisting in 1988, being honorably discharged from the Army, on Dec. 31, 1991. His records then show he was in the Army reserve in Buffalo New York, from January 1992 until May 1992, he was then honorably discharged from the Army reserve. After May of 1992 he was never again in uniform on any base anywhere, never again part of the military. He was totally out of military service. The FBI states the only time they lose track of McVeigh, in his entire life, is the late summer of 93. They think he was somewhere between Kingman Arizona and Decker Michigan. Probably at gun shows, meeting antigovernment rightwing militia types. But he wasn’t, he was at Camp Grafton, in uniform, learning explosives and demolition!"
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Thanks quad, greatly appreciated.
As to the CT issue, I think there needs to be more evidence indicating some type of cover up.
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How does that relate to this (detroit attempt) being fake? Please explain the connection because all you have done here is restate old alliances. The Germans and the Russians had a treaty/alliance too regarding Poland in 1939. So what? People have alliances that don't last all the time. We funded and aided the taliban in the 80's because of the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. So what? How is that partnership playing out now in Afghanistan?
What you stated seems to have zero relevance to supporting your contention.
Well what I find odd is that he was able to board without a passport. Since when are you allowed to board a plane without a passport??
http://mystateline.com/content/fulltext/?cid=125312 (http://mystateline.com/content/fulltext/?cid=125312)
To me that is highly suspicious. Given all the supposed security in place. It screams enablement.
We will hear more about this incident no doubt so let's see how it unfolds.
I don't doubt that you will have real terrorists plotting against the country now. After all they are getting the shit bombed out of them. Why would they not want revenge?? So maybe this Umar Abdulmutallab was a real terrorist.
But the catalyst that set this off was 9/11. And there are so many open questions about that incident it's crazy. And not all of them have been debunked.
Yes, alliances do break up. But how many countries "attack" other countries when they do? Not many. I can think of a few and History is not kind to them.
Do you kill your wife after your "alliance" ends?
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Well what I find odd is that he was able to board without a passport. Since when are you allowed to board a plane without a passport??
http://mystateline.com/content/fulltext/?cid=125312 (http://mystateline.com/content/fulltext/?cid=125312)
Right now that's not 100% verified. Don't get me wrong (especially you over sensitive CT types) I'm not saying it's not true, all I'm saying is that its a witness statement. What we need to find out is wether or not that's policy to let a sudanese on a plane heading for the US without a passport. More info should be revealed on this in the coming days so until I'll reserve conclusion until then. Even if he was put on the plane, he'd still have to get through immigration/customs with a passport in the USA, unless it's like Canada where you go through customs at the airport. (like in Toronto).
To me that is highly suspicious. Given all the supposed security in place. It screams enablement.
We will hear more about this incident no doubt so let's see how it unfolds.
It also screams, more loudly, incompetence.
I don't doubt that you will have real terrorists plotting against the country now. After all they are getting the shit bombed out of them. Why would they not want revenge?? So maybe this Umar Abdulmutallab was a real terrorist.
Committing a real terrorist act in the US would is easy as pie. This entire place is wide open. For a couple of thousand dollars anyone could halt air traffic in the US for at least a day or 2 anytime.
But the catalyst that set this off was 9/11. And there are so many open questions about that incident it's crazy. And not all of them have been debunked.
I've never seen one that hasn't been debunked one way or another.
Yes, alliances do break up. But how many countries "attack" other countries when they do? Not many. I can think of a few and History is not kind to them.
Do you kill your wife after your "alliance" ends?
Were we married to AQ?
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'Were we married to AQ?"
We were fundamental in funding the mujahadeen and OBL in the 80s, which evolved into Al-Q.
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'Were we married to AQ?"
We were fundamental in funding the mujahadeen and OBL in the 80s, which evolved into Al-Q.
Yeah, but they signed a pre-nup
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that's not tiger woods.
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I've never seen one that hasn't been debunked one way or another.
Terror suspects showed up alive and well after 9/11. 6 or 7 of them - please debunk.
Explosives used at WTC7 - please debunk.
WTC7 imploded - please debunk.
Witnesses claiming no planes seen - please debunk.
Minimal airplane wreckage at Pennsylvania / Pentagon - please debunk.
Nobody fired over 9/11 failure - please debunk.
Explosive residue found at Ground Zero - please debunk.
Both twin towers and WTC 7 collapsed at accelleration of gravity - impossible with structural collapse. - please debunk
multiple cell phone calls on airplane not possible with 2001 tech - please debunk.
debunk this video: it shows no plane in zoomed out shot from quite a distance and then magically appears in close-up shot. It's not that fast. It should have been visible in the zoomed out shot.
Were we married to AQ?
Ok, would you kill your "friend" after the alliance ends?
Would you kill your "ally" once the alliance ends? I know what you are going to say - "If my ally attacks me". To prove a lie is impossible.
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haha cue ozmo to resort to the BB eye roll instead of responding point-by-point.
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Most of those, if not all, HAVE been debunked. Then again, science, logic and reason go out with the window when the tinfoil hats go on.
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that's not tiger woods.
My whole thing is that we should not confuse evil genius with sheer govt incompetence.
Ev eryone here knows I am more towards the CT side of stuff, but I need facts, logic, cohesion, and an ability fo the CT to stand up to scrutiny.
To me, this whole thing screams incompetence and typical govt failure.
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Terror suspects showed up alive and well after 9/11. 6 or 7 of them - please debunk.
Explosives used at WTC7 - please debunk.
WTC7 imploded - please debunk.
Witnesses claiming no planes seen - please debunk.
Minimal airplane wreckage at Pennsylvania / Pentagon - please debunk.
Nobody fired over 9/11 failure - please debunk.
Explosive residue found at Ground Zero - please debunk.
Both twin towers and WTC 7 collapsed at accelleration of gravity - impossible with structural collapse. - please debunk
multiple cell phone calls on airplane not possible with 2001 tech - please debunk.
debunk this video: it shows no plane in zoomed out shot from quite a distance and then magically appears in close-up shot. It's not that fast. It should have been visible in the zoomed out shot.
Ok, would you kill your "friend" after the alliance ends?
Would you kill your "ally" once the alliance ends? I know what you are going to say - "If my ally attacks me". To prove a lie is impossible.
I don't need to debunk. The burden is on you to prove that the official story isn't true and instead, your version is. Otherwise i could say an invisible spaghetti monster with god like powers did it - please debunk.
PS i have debunked all those i think, so feel free to pick one and make your case.
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Where is Barbara Olsen and is her husband, the former Solicitor General of the US, also in on the CT?
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haha cue ozmo to resort to the BB eye roll instead of responding point-by-point.
After hundreds and hundreds of posts, point by point responses, and exchanges between you and I, you should be slapped for making a statement like that. So don't relive your frustrations with BB on me. :-*
Regardless, some posts just beg an eye roll.
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LOL...
yeah yeah we did have our fun back in the day
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LOL...
yeah yeah we did have our fun back in the day
We sure did. :)
Actually, you are the one who opened my eyes to this whole thing and got me real interested in it. I'll never forget first watching the vid of the WTC coming down and seeing debris blasting out the windows in front of the collapse thinking....OMG There are explosions!
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I don't need to debunk. The burden is on you to prove that the official story isn't true and instead, your version is. Otherwise i could say an invisible spaghetti monster with god like powers did it - please debunk.
Now with that I agree - no need to debunk that . Awesome job! ;)
Well I am providing proof that raises questions that the official story isn't true. So I need you to debunk my evidence since I am claiming the conspiracy and you claim all the 911 CT have been debunked. The official story need to be exposed as a lie by me since I am the one wearing tinfoil on my head. Your job is to debunk my evidence or claims.
So please let's get going I don't have all day!
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Now with that I agree - no need to debunk that . Awesome job! ;)
Well I am providing proof that raises questions that the official story isn't true. So I need you to debunk my evidence since I am claiming the conspiracy and you claim all the 911 CT have been debunked. The official story need to be exposed as a lie by me since I am the one wearing tinfoil on my head. Your job is to debunk my evidence or claims.
So please let's get going I don't have all day!
Look a conspiracy by definition is an agreement to commit an illegal act. You need identify who agreed to this, who was in on it, how it was performed, and how it was covered up.
Questions are fine and should be explored, by questions alone are not evidence.
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There is more than enough holes in the offficial story - admitted by the 2 co-chairs who wrote the document - to warrant a second investigation.
Pearl harbor had 4 investigations, decades later. So you never know.
We should be able to all agree the official story is just incomplete. Kean and hamilton have said the amount of things that were filtered by the white house as well as the info that has come to light since, demonstrates the need for another invesitgation.
Plus, every year there are thousands more people (who know more about this shit than message board twinks like us) who come fwd and risk their reputation by saying they support a new investigation. Even Ms Palin said she'd support one, remember? ;)
So most people accept the official story is incomplete. Anyone still defending that, well, they claim to know more than the authors of the document, which is silly. Oz has said in the past that he supports a second investigation, same as most people who research it.
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There is more than enough holes in the offficial story - admitted by the 2 co-chairs who wrote the document - to warrant a second investigation.
Pearl harbor had 4 investigations, decades later. So you never know.
We should be able to all agree the official story is just incomplete. Kean and hamilton have said the amount of things that were filtered by the white house as well as the info that has come to light since, demonstrates the need for another invesitgation.
Plus, every year there are thousands more people (who know more about this shit than message board twinks like us) who come fwd and risk their reputation by saying they support a new investigation. Even Ms Palin said she'd support one, remember? ;)
So most people accept the official story is incomplete. Anyone still defending that, well, they claim to know more than the authors of the document, which is silly. Oz has said in the past that he supports a second investigation, same as most people who research it.
Thats fine do a new investigation, I agree, but that is not the same as saying a CT occurred much different than the fact that 19 terrorists hijacked planes, which after this weekend, shows that its not that hard to do.
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well, we know it was more than 19 people. Zm and KSM alone show that.
And we *probably* know there were white guys in ties who knew it would happen and didn't stop it. Bush got the memo, cheney was told something was coming at pentagon and said "the orders stand". And of course, someone made millions short-sellnig the 2 airlines the day before the attacks - then NEVER COLLECTED the $.
The 911 commish said "since the stocks didn't have to do with al-quida, there was no need to discuss it".
And the $100k that pakistan general wired to Atta just 4 days before the attacks? No need, he wasn't al-Q. Ummmm....
And the pools of molten metal under the tower, 4 weeks after 911, still at 1500 degrees (completely impossible with jet fuel, as you know) - the 911 commission said it didn't matter because "it had nothing to do with al-Quida)
So yeah, it was a consipracy, more than those 19.
White guys in ties bet on it in the stock market, yes.
our allies paid the head terrorist $, that is true too.
And hte temps were higher a month afterwards than jet fuel can achieve at its peak, um...
believe what you'd like. I think most of us would like to see another investigation which sadly, I don't think we'll ever see.
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Now with that I agree - no need to debunk that . Awesome job! ;)
Well I am providing proof that raises questions that the official story isn't true. So I need you to debunk my evidence since I am claiming the conspiracy and you claim all the 911 CT have been debunked. The official story need to be exposed as a lie by me since I am the one wearing tinfoil on my head. Your job is to debunk my evidence or claims.
So please let's get going I don't have all day!
Well, pick one of your assertions, provide your evidence and we will go from there. (I'm willing to do all of them, but it will take some time, probably a few days) Questions do not qualify as "proof" of anything. Questions can be used to cast doubt, but they don't prove anything. All you've done is made some assertions.
But to indulge you, I'll give you this one:
Minimal airplane wreckage at Pennsylvania / Pentagon - please debunk.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-12/07/content_501143.htm (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-12/07/content_501143.htm)
All 94 passengers and crew on the C-130 transport plane died, the Interior Ministry said. Several children, at home because schools were closed due to a smog alert in the capital, were among the dead in the building, witnesses added.
(http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-12/07/xin_521202070649219235399.jpg)
where's the plane?
(http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/c-130j-3.jpg)
Here's more:
You see, that's what happens to planes (jet planes) when they hit a concrete building going very fast. Questions aren't evidence. Facts are.
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Oz, that clip you posted with the jet hitting wall... that's a TON of debris - on 911 there was only enough to fill the back of a pickup truck.
at the pentagon, the carbon nose of the plane penetrated 3 concrete outer rings. Cut thru like butter. the hole was small (critics say missile-sized) and cut very cleanly thru the walls.
I dont know how a plane can disintegrate without debris - AND put a perfect hole thru 3 outer walls. But then again, I"m not a scientist. maybe it can happen. Just not in the video you posted.
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wait... must... not... get... sucked back into long-winded 911 arguments that never go anywhere! hahaa...
i'm off to watch mon night football guys. another investigation would be nice, certainly everyone in the know agrees. but it'll prob never happen, bottom line. we might as well be arguing coke vs pepsi. :P
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There is more than enough holes in the offficial story - admitted by the 2 co-chairs who wrote the document - to warrant a second investigation.
Pearl harbor had 4 investigations, decades later. So you never know.
We should be able to all agree the official story is just incomplete. Kean and hamilton have said the amount of things that were filtered by the white house as well as the info that has come to light since, demonstrates the need for another invesitgation.
Plus, every year there are thousands more people (who know more about this shit than message board twinks like us) who come fwd and risk their reputation by saying they support a new investigation. Even Ms Palin said she'd support one, remember? ;)
So most people accept the official story is incomplete. Anyone still defending that, well, they claim to know more than the authors of the document, which is silly. Oz has said in the past that he supports a second investigation, same as most people who research it.
I still support a second investigation. Not because i think it was an inside job.
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Oz, that clip you posted with the jet hitting wall... that's a TON of debris - on 911 there was only enough to fill the back of a pickup truck.
at the pentagon, the carbon nose of the plane penetrated 3 concrete outer rings. Cut thru like butter. the hole was small (critics say missile-sized) and cut very cleanly thru the walls.
I dont know how a plane can disintegrate without debris - AND put a perfect hole thru 3 outer walls. But then again, I"m not a scientist. maybe it can happen. Just not in the video you posted.
That's quite an exaggeration on all points. I'm not saying there should be no degris. Plus, i wonder if the f-4 was loaded with fuel.
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Did you expect it to look like this?
(http://www.sptimes.com/2002/01/06/photos/tb-plane.jpg)
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wait... must... not... get... sucked back into long-winded 911 arguments that never go anywhere! hahaa...
i'm off to watch mon night football guys. another investigation would be nice, certainly everyone in the know agrees. but it'll prob never happen, bottom line. we might as well be arguing coke vs pepsi. :P
Coke.
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brett favre just sent it to overtime....
mountain dew, bitches.
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To hell with bret FAV RAY
I won the super bowl, so i don't care now!
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Amazing quad...simply amazing. Maybe u ought to stick to bodybuilding. We deal with AQ here in Iraq every day. Where weapons found...nope but u CT guys all believe that 911 was an inside job but the fact that Saddam mocked up his whole WMD program to fool Iran and/or moved them to Syria just prior to the invasion..is much to far fetched. We didn't support the Taliban..there was no Taliban. We supported what would become the Northern Alliance under Ahmad Shah Massood...AQ killed him 10 Sept 2001. The Taliban came out of an ISI project to destabilize Afghanistan...around 1994. U can't call the Mujih's in the 1980's the Taliban...its not the same. There are plenty of books out there...read.
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Amazing quad...simply amazing. Maybe u ought to stick to bodybuilding. We deal with AQ here in Iraq every day. Where weapons found...nope but u CT guys all believe that 911 was an inside job but the fact that Saddam mocked up his whole WMD program to fool Iran and/or moved them to Syria just prior to the invasion..is much to far fetched. We didn't support the Taliban..there was no Taliban. We supported what would become the Northern Alliance under Ahmad Shah Massood...AQ killed him 10 Sept 2001. The Taliban came out of an ISI project to destabilize Afghanistan...around 1994. U can't call the Mujih's in the 1980's the Taliban...its not the same. There are plenty of books out there...read.
Again, when someone puts forth a CT, its their obligation to prove it, whether its the JFK, Moon Landing, 911, etc.
Sure there are questions with everything, but questions alone are not evidence.
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That's the beauty of CT's...they can never be proven.
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Agree with 333. This is an example of government/intelligence incompetence and failure to act on a reported radicalized muslim, even when given appropriate warning.
None of us know what's really going on internationally and I agree there are a lot of motives and agendas that are not public. Agree with the lies about Iraq...there were probably multiple reasons we went there. However, that doesn't detract from the fact that radical muslims have been fighting each other for centuries in the name of religion and now radical muslims have made western nations and innocent civilians their main target.
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Look at what Shoot says here....until u spend any time in these countries and read the local papers and watch the local news, u just don't get a flavor of how nuts these idiots are and how alien their beliefs and petty differences are. We hear about the Kurds in America...big allies...hate Arabs etc. Yeah...they have two groups of Kurds...they hate each other only slightly less then they hate the Arabs. No idea why they hate each other...its political but with alot more stupidity. Afghanistan is the same...its on a whole new level. We get past shit in the West, especially America.
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People like HH6 who have been to the middle east understand the issues much better. We are talking about a large # of poorly educated people who are often blinded by the mass mentality of their religion. Their religion is inseparable from their culture, laws and customs. It is easy to understand why a significant # of these people become radicals and feel justified in doing so (because of a backward religion, influential leaders that manipulate the sheep, and mostly primitive, closed minded culture).
IMO, we can't change these things quickly and shouldn't expend all our resources trying. In general, we should be monitoring through special ops, CIA, existing bases, etc. We shouldn't be building up middle eastern governments and countries with our tax dollars with their poor central gov organization and lack of control (and inappropriate military & infrastructure). The more I think about it, the more I think our mission should change there. Now, I say this as an outsider, not a military specialist. They are privy to info which we don't know.
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People like HH6 who have been to the middle east understand the issues much better. We are talking about a large # of poorly educated people who are often blinded by the mass mentality of their religion. Their religion is inseparable from their culture, laws and customs. It is easy to understand why a significant # of these people become radicals and feel justified in doing so (because of a backward religion, influential leaders that manipulate the sheep, and mostly primitive, closed minded culture).
IMO, we can't change these things quickly and shouldn't expend all our resources trying. In general, we should be monitoring through special ops, CIA, existing bases, etc. We shouldn't be building up middle eastern governments and countries with our tax dollars with their poor central gov organization and lack of control (and appropriate military & infrastructure). The more I think about it, the more I think our mission should change there. Now, I saw this as an outsider, not a military specialist. They are privy to info which we don't know.
As it's becoming more and more apparent, the uneducated aren't the only ones at risk of being radicalized. The problem lies in Islam itself.
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When I came to this country it was different all together. Also back then all I cared about was Bodybuilding and couldn't care less about politics. I seriously did not even vote in my home country. I could not care anything about politics. However had I known then what I know now I would not have come here. In fact I am of opinion that all governments the world over are corrupt. It would be nice not to belong to any country. Can you be an individual not governed by anyone??
My wife is American and I already have so much invested here that it would not be easy for me to just take off. I could if I had to I guess. There are good people in USA. I have met average folk and Americans are not as bad as the rest of the world makes them out to be. My American family are very decent, hardworking people. I could only hope to be as hardworking as they are.
I am disillusioned about what I see going on around us. It all started for me last year when oil prices started creeping up and I read about "Peak Oil" in a National Geographic article. I started researching that concept and then later in the year the economy tanked. Gradually I became more and more aware of all the agendas out there. Once you start looking at what is going on in the world and the human forces behind events it all makes a lot more sense.
Um, that's not really your wife. That woman is a robot, created by the CIA and KGB during the Boxer Rebellion in China. Jesus helped them as well, but no one was able to identify him because he was re-incarnated as the Easter Bunny - debunk.
Here is a picture of an early prototype of your wife created in a Nazi Lab, circa 1941. Look familiar?
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Amazing quad...simply amazing. Maybe u ought to stick to bodybuilding. We deal with AQ here in Iraq every day. Where weapons found...nope but u CT guys all believe that 911 was an inside job but the fact that Saddam mocked up his whole WMD program to fool Iran and/or moved them to Syria just prior to the invasion..is much to far fetched. We didn't support the Taliban..there was no Taliban. We supported what would become the Northern Alliance under Ahmad Shah Massood...AQ killed him 10 Sept 2001. The Taliban came out of an ISI project to destabilize Afghanistan...around 1994. U can't call the Mujih's in the 1980's the Taliban...its not the same. There are plenty of books out there...read.
And who & what controls the ISI? :P
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Again, when someone puts forth a CT, its their obligation to prove it, whether its the JFK, Moon Landing, 911, etc.
Sure there are questions with everything, but questions alone are not evidence.
You want a Conspiracy theory, ...I'll give you a conspiracy FACT! It's The Canadian Conspiracy, and I got proof!
I just hope I don't lose my maple leaf for providing the goods, ...but it's too late for any of you Muricans to do anything about it. Your fate has already been sealed. mwahahahahha!
The Canadian Conspiracy Part 1/8
The Canadian Conspiracy Part 2/8
The Canadian Conspiracy Part 3/8
The Canadian Conspiracy Part 4/8
The Canadian Conspiracy Part 5/8
The Canadian Conspiracy Part 6/8
The Canadian Conspiracy Part 7/8
The Canadian Conspiracy Part 8/8
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some people need to read between the lines ::) AND start researching/understanding real history before shooting off their mouths.................. ...............
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some people need to read between the lines ::) AND start researching/understanding real history before shooting off their mouths.................. ...............
:o
Are you saying there is no Canadian Conspiracy? ...then what have I been a part of all these years? :P
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Farouk1986 discussed growing up and preparing to leave his British boarding school in the African nation of Togo for college, which also matches Abdulmutallab's personal history. However, educational pursuits appear to be overtaken by a growing fascination with religion, with posts going so far as to describe his own fantasies about holy war.
"I imagine how the great jihad will take place, how the muslims will win, insha Allah and rule the whole world, and establish the greatest empire once again!!!" reads one Feb. 20, 2005, post. The words "insha Allah" are the phonetic translation of the Arabic for "God willing."
"So usually my fa(n)tasies are about islamic stuff," he continued. "The bad part of it is sometimes the fantasies are a bit worldly rather than concentrating in the hereafter."
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The ISI stopped listening to us around 1968 when LBJ decided he wasn't gonna back either the Paki's or the Indians. Sure we had and have contacts but the ISI do and have always done whats in their best interest and a destablized Afghanistan controled by idiots like Mullah Omar were a hell of alot better then Tajik CIA robots like Massoud. They built up the Taliban and they roared out of Mazi Sharif and took the country. Massoud lost Kabul and pulled back to the Panjshir. The guy was educated and backed by the CIA during the entire war. He wasn't a favorite of the Pakistani's and when he wasn't getting US help he got India's...draw ur own conclusions.
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The ISI stopped listening to us around 1968 when LBJ decided he wasn't gonna back either the Paki's or the Indians. Sure we had and have contacts but the ISI do and have always done whats in their best interest and a destablized Afghanistan controled by idiots like Mullah Omar were a hell of alot better then Tajik CIA robots like Massoud. They built up the Taliban and they roared out of Mazi Sharif and took the country. Massoud lost Kabul and pulled back to the Panjshir. The guy was educated and backed by the CIA during the entire war. He wasn't a favorite of the Pakistani's and when he wasn't getting US help he got India's...draw ur own conclusions.
Well the ISI certainly seemed to be listening to the CIA when they paid those funds out on the eve of 911.
They also listen pretty well when it comes to determining who will head up the ISI. From my understanding, the CIA has always, and continues to select the head of the ISI ...which for the uninformed, is simply the Pakistani branch.
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berzerk, you're right....that's the scary part. More recent terrorists are well educated, but I think they are culturally susceptible to brainwashing and fanatic behavior.
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Well the ISI certainly seemed to be listening to the CIA when they paid those funds out on the eve of 911.
They also listen pretty well when it comes to determining who will head up the ISI. From my understanding, the CIA has always, and continues to select the head of the ISI ...which for the uninformed, is simply the Pakistani branch.
You have no idea what you're talking about. If you've done any reading on the subject, you'd know that the S Wing of the ISI is what is causing the problems right now and they don't answer to anyone, including the CIA. ::)
But I'm guessing some Canadian that peddles gas caps is in in the know when it comes to the inner workings of the ISI/CIA. You are one of the "informed" after all. LOL.
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'Were we married to AQ?"
We were fundamental in funding the mujahadeen and OBL in the 80s, which evolved into Al-Q.
We (along with China, Saudi Arabia, Egypt etc) funded and supplied the mujahadeen during the Afghan war. We didn't fund AQ, and we didn't fund OBL. OBL was a $$$ provider from Saudi Arabia that came to the conflict in search of fame so to speak. OBL did very little if anything during the Afghan War. The Taliban was created during the time that many Afghan refugees spent in the border regions in Pakistan, when we left after the Soviet withdrawal, they returned to fill the void.
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Um, that's not really your wife. That woman is a robot, created by the CIA and KGB during the Boxer Rebellion in China. Jesus helped them as well, but no one was able to identify him because he was re-incarnated as the Easter Bunny - debunk.
Here is a picture of an early prototype of your wife created in a Nazi Lab, circa 1941. Look familiar?
Would you hit it?
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Well, pick one of your assertions, provide your evidence and we will go from there. (I'm willing to do all of them, but it will take some time, probably a few days) Questions do not qualify as "proof" of anything. Questions can be used to cast doubt, but they don't prove anything. All you've done is made some assertions.
But to indulge you, I'll give you this one:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-12/07/content_501143.htm (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-12/07/content_501143.htm)
All 94 passengers and crew on the C-130 transport plane died, the Interior Ministry said. Several children, at home because schools were closed due to a smog alert in the capital, were among the dead in the building, witnesses added.
(http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-12/07/xin_521202070649219235399.jpg)
where's the plane?
(http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/c-130j-3.jpg)
Here's more:
You see, that's what happens to planes (jet planes) when they hit a concrete building going very fast. Questions aren't evidence. Facts are.
Looking at that photo the building looks fairly intact no? The plane is gone yes but where are all the missing parts of the building? Are there better photos that show the extent of the damage?
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People like HH6 who have been to the middle east understand the issues much better. We are talking about a large # of poorly educated people who are often blinded by the mass mentality of their religion. Their religion is inseparable from their culture, laws and customs. It is easy to understand why a significant # of these people become radicals and feel justified in doing so (because of a backward religion, influential leaders that manipulate the sheep, and mostly primitive, closed minded culture).
IMO, we can't change these things quickly and shouldn't expend all our resources trying. In general, we should be monitoring through special ops, CIA, existing bases, etc. We shouldn't be building up middle eastern governments and countries with our tax dollars with their poor central gov organization and lack of control (and inappropriate military & infrastructure). The more I think about it, the more I think our mission should change there. Now, I say this as an outsider, not a military specialist. They are privy to info which we don't know.
I assume HH6 is a soldier? If so I'm not trying to take away anything he has done and I agree he has better firsthand knowledge of how extreme muslims are and the hatred they garner towards the West.
But one thing to keep in mind is soldiers are very close to this war in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is at the same time more difficult for them to step aside and look at the situation from the outside.
Let me ask you this. How would you feel if a bunch of Chinese came to USA and started bombing the shit out of your Town or City? How would you feel if Chinese snipers took out your friends or fellow soldiers with a .50 sniper rifle? I am going to bet that you would feel extreme hatred towards them. I don't doubt that the Muslims hate the West. If they hated us before 9/11 they hate us a lot more now. Could it be that 9/11 was a government plot to galvanize the West into action against the Muslims? Kinda like provoking them so their hatred would increase and turn into genuine violence against the West - thereby justifying the War against them even more? Eventually the hatred between East and West just grows naturally stronger and stronger after this initial catalyst (9/11)?
Even if this is what happened it looks like the West is losing the battle. Look at what's going on in Europe with the Muslim invation.
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Why is it that overwhelming majority of people killed by Muslims are other Muslims? Those bombings? Targeting civilians. The sectarian killings? Spearheaded by FOREIGN MUSLIMS. The majority of violence in Iraq and Afghanistan can be attributed to foreign Muslims killing the natives. But it's ok because they happen to be Muslim right? They are no different than us, the mean old Bogeyman.
Justify terrorism and the mass murder of innocent civilians. Talk about clueless. ::)
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My job is took at the situation from the outside....I read all the books from the outside plus being here or there, I get whats really going on as well. Everything is a CT plot ::)......generally what u see is what u get.
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Looking at that photo the building looks fairly intact no? The plane is gone yes but where are all the missing parts of the building? Are there better photos that show the extent of the damage?
The video and pics show planes will not do as much damage to buildings as one suspects and because a plane is essentially a hollow shell it won't leave as much debris because much of it will vaporize from the fire or get woven into the rubble due to the speed and ferocity of the impact.
Go to google and search images for airplane crashes with high speed and fully loaded fuel impacts. There are usually very little left of the planes.
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090715/ml-iran-plane/images/6a78f8cd-0978-473a-b875-9b7413878611.jpg)
(http://www.wusa9.com/news/columnist/blogs/uploaded_images/Utah-Tooele-FF-plane-crash-749485.jpg)
(http://media.komonews.com/images/090217_plane_crash_2.jpg)
this debunk is too easy, got another one?
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I assume HH6 is a soldier? If so I'm not trying to take away anything he has done and I agree he has better firsthand knowledge of how extreme muslims are and the hatred they garner towards the West.
But one thing to keep in mind is soldiers are very close to this war in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is at the same time more difficult for them to step aside and look at the situation from the outside.
Let me ask you this. How would you feel if a bunch of Chinese came to USA and started bombing the shit out of your Town or City? How would you feel if Chinese snipers took out your friends or fellow soldiers with a .50 sniper rifle? I am going to bet that you would feel extreme hatred towards them. I don't doubt that the Muslims hate the West. If they hated us before 9/11 they hate us a lot more now. Could it be that 9/11 was a government plot to galvanize the West into action against the Muslims? Kinda like provoking them so their hatred would increase and turn into genuine violence against the West - thereby justifying the War against them even more? Eventually the hatred between East and West just grows naturally stronger and stronger after this initial catalyst (9/11)?
Even if this is what happened it looks like the West is losing the battle. Look at what's going on in Europe with the Muslim invation.
A very chilling video to say the least, ...and all the more reason to firmly entrench minority rights.
Tyranny of the majority isn't the ideal position to take, ...especially not when you're destined to become the minority.
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Look....and O we agree.....u guys come up with crap and we can list a playbook of CT stuff. Its either a false flag, a plane crash without debris, Spec Ops or Black ops...some Right Wing scare tactic or just fill in the blank with some bullshit. It really doesn't work without proof. I'm not an structural engineer or aeronautical engineer so I can't speak on what a plane does or doesn't do when it hits a building. Neither are the idiots who are speaking on this crap here. I can say that "black ops" guys don't operate like that. This isn't Hollywood. We have "black ops" guys strolling around this FOB. They aren't planning false flags or trying to kill Americans to get us further into war. These are guys with kids, dogs, mortgages and are there to kill bad guys. SAMSON wouldn't know a SOF soldier if the guy walked up and shot him in the face.
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The video and pics show planes will not do as much damage to buildings as one suspects and because a plane is essentially a hollow shell it won't leave as much debris because much of it will vaporize from the fire or get woven into the rubble due to the speed and ferocity of the impact.
With that statement you are admitting that a plane will not do as much damage to the buildings as one suspects. So how the fuck do you explain WTC and Pentagon then?? You are agreeing with the CT crowd when you make that statement. Thanks.
Here is a photo of the wreckage of the Lockerbie Pan AM crash in 1988: See some wreckage?
(http://webspace.webring.com/people/rj/jim_hayden1/image053.jpg)
Another one:
(http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/090323-japan-crash-hmed-1125p.h2.jpg)
For every blown to bits plane crash photo you find I can find another one showing a somewhat intact airplane.
I will agree with you some accidents are worse than others and sometimes there is little of the plane left. However there will be "some" wreckage. At Pentagon and Pennsylvania there was almost ZERO wreckage. I did see one or two pieces in the foreground of a photo or two that could easily have been placed there. Also why has the FBI confiscated all impact videos of Pentagon crash?? Except for one bad video showing nothing of real value? Why not release it.
In my mind you haven't debunked anything yet. That's how you guys operate. You make a counter claim and then declare the issue debunked. It has not been debunked. It is just as difficult to debunk a CT as it is to prove it.
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With that statement you are admitting that a plane will not do as much damage to the buildings as one suspects. So how the fuck do you explain WTC and Pentagon then?? You are agreeing with the CT crowd when you make that statement. Thanks.
Here is a photo of the wreckage of the Lockerbie Pan AM crash in 1988: See some wreckage?
http://webspace.webring.com/people/rj/jim_hayden1/image053.jpg
Another one:
http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/090323-japan-crash-hmed-1125p.h2.jpg
For every blown to bits plane crash photo you find I can find another one showing a somewhat intact airplane.
I will agree with you some accidents are worse than others and sometimes there is little of the plane left. However there will be "some" wreckage. At Pentagon and Pennsylvania there was almost ZERO wreckage. I did see one or two pieces in the foreground of a photo or two that could easily have been placed there. Also why has the FBI confiscated all impact videos of Pentagon crash?? Except for one bad video showing nothing of real value? Why not release it.
In my mind you haven't debunked anything yet. That's how you guys operate. You make a counter claim and then declare the issue debunked. It has not been debunked. It is just as difficult to debunk a CT as it is to prove it.
Simple.
The WTC's are essentially glass wrapped around steel framing. A crash in a concrete wall, reenforced, will give a different result.
The pics you showed are of wreckage that produce more wreckage than the ones i showed. If those planes had hit a building there would likely bee much less wreckage to see. You gotta remember, it was fully loaded and fueled passenger plane traveling at 480MPH. Much of it vaporized and got woven into the wreckage. When planes take off or land they are traveling at around 200 mph or less.
If there was anything unusual about the pentagon crash then the c-130 and the others I showed would not exist. My counter claim soundly debunks the assertion that there was too little debris. Also, you are basing your conclusion of too little debris on photos only? Or do you have more? It's interesting that you wold ask a "question(s)" and use it as some sort of proof, but dismiss "proof" in terms of similar crashes to debunking your myth. Shows how illogical and flawed CT thinking is.
If you want to go the route of the FBI holding vids we can go there. Although there isn't much too it that can be proved in relation to the contention that it wasn't a plane.