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Crazy
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Hulkster just called in sick to work
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Dorians black and white photos are still light years ahead of this or any other of Ronnies shoots. Even Jay Cutler said repeatedly that Dorian at his best is in another league and not even Coleman can compare. Hulkster thinks he knows more than Cutler and that it was from an old interview even though he said it again in November in his Max Muscle interveiw.
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he looked more ripped in the 2001 ASC photoshoot
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Dorians black and white photos are still light years ahead of this or any other of Ronnies shoots. Even Jay Cutler said repeatedly that Dorian at his best is in another league and not even Coleman can compare. Hulkster thinks he knows more than Cutler and that it was from an old interview even though he said it again in November in his Max Muscle interveiw.
I really don't care who said what.
That dude blows Dorian away. just as big, light years ahead of him in structure and shape.
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he looked more ripped in the 2001 ASC photoshoot
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Looked waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better and more spectacular at the Arnolds 01. Hulkster and his sharpened pics are full of shit, now we have the perfect comparision.
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Looked waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better and more spectacular at the Arnolds 01. Hulkster and his sharpened pics are full of shit, now we have the perfect comparision.
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Hulksters pics aren't far off
considering it's webcast quality. Can you picture this in HIGH DEFINITION
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Crazy
crazy, just crazy..
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Dorians black and white photos are still light years ahead of this or any other of Ronnies shoots. Even Jay Cutler said repeatedly that Dorian at his best is in another league and not even Coleman can compare. Hulkster thinks he knows more than Cutler and that it was from an old interview even though he said it again in November in his Max Muscle interveiw.
A statement from another dumb mothafooker is your source of proof that the Dorian B&W pics are better than anything Coleman ever produced!? Ha! What makes Cutler an expert on anything other than take megadoses of GH & insulin ::)
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A statement from another dumb mothafooker is your source of proof that the Dorian B&W pics are better than anything Coleman ever produced!? Ha! What makes Cutler an expert on anything other than take megadoses of GH & insulin ::)
So true mindspin...all of these turds quote any fucking swinging dick that has something good to say about their hero like it's sworn testimony
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Dorians black and white photos are still light years ahead of this or any other of Ronnies shoots.
sure, "light years ahead" ::)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-Ronnie12.jpg)
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So true mindspin...all of these turds quote any fucking swinging dick that has something good to say about their hero like it's sworn testimony
I would hold more value in Jay Cutlers opinion on a bodybuilding related topic than yours or mindspins, just as I would trust Randy Coutures opinion on something MMA related more so than an average joe. Now on a topic of how to monitor a gossip and opinions board I might trust mindspins opinion over Cutlers. Not to leave you out Groink Im sure you are an expert in your chosed profession and would take your word on something related to it. IMO as an observer I think Dorian has him in size and conditioning, and legs as Ronnie has no calves. Dorains had great biceps in that shoot as it was before the tear.
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I would hold more value in Jay Cutlers opinion on a bodybuilding related topic than yours or mindspins, just as I would trust Randy Coutures opinion on something MMA related more so than an average joe. Now on a topic of how to monitor a gossip and opinions board I might trust mindspins opinion over Cutlers. Not to leave you out Groink Im sure you are an expert in your chosed profession and would take your word on something related to it. IMO as an observer I think Dorian has him in size and conditioning, and legs as Ronnie has no calves. Dorains had great biceps in that shoot as it was before the tear.
Ronnie = freak
Dorian = too much x-factor for anyone.....
close, but prize goes to Dorian
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I really don't care who said what.
That dude blows Dorian away. just as big, light years ahead of him in structure and shape.
100% Correct sir
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I would hold more value in Jay Cutlers opinion on a bodybuilding related topic than yours or mindspins, just as I would trust Randy Coutures opinion on something MMA related more so than an average joe. Now on a topic of how to monitor a gossip and opinions board I might trust mindspins opinion over Cutlers. Not to leave you out Groink Im sure you are an expert in your chosed profession and would take your word on something related to it. IMO as an observer I think Dorian has him in size and conditioning, and legs as Ronnie has no calves. Dorains had great biceps in that shoot as it was before the tear.
Well Chick is the biggest pro on here these days, and he votes Ronnie. Whatchagonna do?
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Crazy
If this guy had better calves, forearms, was white, great loking and had a much bigger set of cock and balls he would remind The Beef of THE BEEF
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The only thing Dorian has better than Ronnie is calves. That's it. It's not even close.
The sad part is you morons use the fact that Ronnie never beat Dorian to support your arguement knowing that Ronnie prior to 97 was nothing like Ronnie after 98. So by that logic, Lee Haney is better because Yates never beat him the one time they competed PLUS Haney as 8 titles to Yates 6....So pick one.
You can say prego Ronnie all you want, because Yates showed up with a 45 inch waist, a gut, and 1 arm in 97 and still somehow won ???
Bottom line is a 287-294 lb Coleman would have crush a very sloppy looking 270lb yates...
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The only thing Dorian has better than Ronnie is calves. That's it. It's not even close.
The sad part is you morons use the fact that Ronnie never beat Dorian to support your arguement knowing that Ronnie prior to 97 was nothing like Ronnie after 98. So by that logic, Lee Haney is better because Yates never beat him the one time they competed PLUS Haney as 8 titles to Yates 6....So pick one.
You can say prego Ronnie all you want, because Yates showed up with a 45 inch waist, a gut, and 1 arm in 97 and still somehow won ???
Bottom line is a 287-294 lb Coleman would have crush a very sloppy looking 270lb yates...
So what happened to Ronnie?
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I use to see Ronnie quite often and even saw him training for the 03 Olympia, at his peak I believe NOBODY could touch him, unreal!! After seeing Ronnie I don't think I need to see Dorian. Never liked his physique, structure, etc... Respect his work ethic and attitude, but that's about it.
Ronnie = a whole another world!
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Well Chick is the biggest pro on here these days, and he votes Ronnie. Whatchagonna do?
Well if Chick says Ronnie and Jay says Dorian, being that they are both pros I would have to examine their respective careers and determine who was more sucessful and then perhaps reconsider my choice.
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The only thing Dorian has better than Ronnie is calves. That's it. It's not even close.
The sad part is you morons use the fact that Ronnie never beat Dorian to support your arguement knowing that Ronnie prior to 97 was nothing like Ronnie after 98. So by that logic, Lee Haney is better because Yates never beat him the one time they competed PLUS Haney as 8 titles to Yates 6....So pick one.
You can say prego Ronnie all you want, because Yates showed up with a 45 inch waist, a gut, and 1 arm in 97 and still somehow won ???
Bottom line is a 287-294 lb Coleman would have crush a very sloppy looking 270lb yates...
Shut it wiggles and get back to the white hoes
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Crazy
A 1996-1997 Dorian could not have beat THAT!
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The only thing Dorian has better than Ronnie is calves. That's it. It's not even close.
The sad part is you morons use the fact that Ronnie never beat Dorian to support your arguement knowing that Ronnie prior to 97 was nothing like Ronnie after 98. So by that logic, Lee Haney is better because Yates never beat him the one time they competed PLUS Haney as 8 titles to Yates 6....So pick one.
You can say prego Ronnie all you want, because Yates showed up with a 45 inch waist, a gut, and 1 arm in 97 and still somehow won ???
Bottom line is a 287-294 lb Coleman would have crush a very sloppy looking 270lb yates...
Those same people have double standards, because they also claim that Dexter Jackson is better than Shawn Ray ever was, YET, Dexter could NEVER beat Shawn when they faced each other. Can't have it both ways ;).
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A 1996-1997 Dorian could not have beat THAT!
93 or 95 yates would have.
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looks like utter shit
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I'm the police! King Kong ain't got nothing on me!!!!
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looks like utter shit
Looks like utter shit?
Lol.
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this thread is as gay as this
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If Cutler said it, it must be true...
Ronnie is the best all time... that is all.
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Well if Chick says Ronnie and Jay says Dorian, being that they are both pros I would have to examine their respective careers and determine who was more sucessful and then perhaps reconsider my choice.
Jay could only beat Ronnie when Ronnie beat himself. If Ronnie tri and lat weren't fucked up, Jay may not be Mr. 3x O. But, he is. I still think if Ronnie fixed his tri, he could back and dominate the line up.
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Jay could only beat Ronnie when Ronnie beat himself. If Ronnie tri and lat weren't fucked up, Jay may not be Mr. 3x O. But, he is. I still think if Ronnie fixed his tri, he could back and dominate the line up.
Jay pushed Ronnie to the absolute limit in 2005, and many thought he actually won. Ronnie was a bigger version of 99 in 05 too.
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=34640&id=42533&Itemid=202)(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=34640&id=42530&Itemid=202)(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=34640&id=42529&Itemid=202)(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=34640&id=42534&Itemid=202)(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=34640&id=42531&Itemid=202)(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=34640&id=42526&Itemid=202)
Pushed him to the limit? :D
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Looks like utter shit?
Lol.
I'm starting to think that this guy is what his avatar shows. He really must be barmy if he thinks that DY looked like shit especially in 93. Nut-huggers like this ignore the non-existent calves, the terrible gyno, the huge gut/horrible abs and oversized glutes on Coleman. Are these people blind or what?
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Looks like utter shit?
Lol.
I always thought the camera work for that Yates 93 video was absolutely horrible. Half the shots are a terrible angles that show nothing. The extreme closeups come at times when the camera should be showing the full shot. I wish a better editor could take the raw footage and put something better out.
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I always thought the camera work for that Yates 93 video was absolutely horrible. Half the shots are a terrible angles that show nothing. The extreme closeups come at times when the camera should be showing the full shot. I wish a better editor could take the raw footage and put something better out.
The Pre-judging video used to be on Google Vids, but I cant find it anymore.
It was pretty good-showed how Dorian flat out dominated everyone else.
The shitty thing about Ronnie and Dorian fans is that they're like opposing high school sports teams... lol. They will never be able to look at the two competitors objectively. Both sides are blinded by there hero worship.
To me, both are rediculous at their prime, and I don't think either one is necessarily better than the other... just different types of physiques. I think it would come down to whichever physique style the judges preferred on that particular day.
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Dorian shined most during the comparisons
he dominated standing next to everyone else
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Well Chick is the biggest pro on here these days, and he votes Ronnie. Whatchagonna do?
Bob Chick is not exactly a Rhodes scholar. Have you ever read any of his "Bobservations" columns?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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this thread is as gay as this
outed. you gotta be gay to even know how to find a pic like that and take the effort to post it
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although he looked a little tighter at 99 prejudging:
http://www.truveo.com/Ronnie-Coleman-1999-Mr-Olympia-Part-Two/id/1160132027
that photoshoot easily blows the undetailed dorian precontest pics away:
ronnie is way more ripped, much better shape, dorian has better calves and abs (but a much wider waist) so what else is new?
nothing changes. the two or three dorian fans blindly say he is better, the rest of the intelligent bodybuilding world can see that he was not.
same old same old.
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The "undetailed Dorian" somewhow making 99 Coleman look smooth, soft and flat:
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no question dorian had better abs.
but gets crushed everywhere else from head to toe, including structure and muscleshape, except for the calves of course. ronnie's entire upper body, and lower body except for the calves are so ripped, cut and shapely, dorian is blown off the map, with his horrible quads, thick waist and shitty arms.
I would love some good screenshots from that ronnie shoot, just to show how crappy dorian was in comparison..even with his 93 black and white shots..
seems this vid is making the rounds, and being proclaimed the greatest ever, and rightly so: it is.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=121303501
http://www.musclemecca.com/showthread.php/ronnie-coleman-photoshoot-before-99-mr-o-47826.html
dorian is not even on the radar, 93 or not..
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Best Mr. Olympia ever? LOL
(http://www.bodybuildingology.com/pictures/coleman1/ronnie-coleman-19.jpg)
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Best Mr. Olympia ever? LOL
(http://www.bodybuildingology.com/pictures/coleman1/ronnie-coleman-19.jpg)
uh YES:
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(http://fitblog.biz/uploads/posts/thumbs/1178028153_coleman_1.jpeg)
(http://fitblog.biz/uploads/posts/thumbs/1178028059_coleman_3.jpeg)
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even in high offseason weights, it still looks like dorian never trained his arms..horrible arms for a pro.. :-X
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This picture has been very clearly sharpened.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Arms alone can't make Coleman superior to Yates. All this talk from nut-huggers about arm development really means shit because Coleman lost. LOL
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This picture has been very clearly sharpened.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
nope sorry. that screenshot was from either Bizzy or Iceman, I can't remember who. I believe it was Iceman's though as I don't think Bizzy did any posing round shots of Ronnie.
but its as legit as they come.
you nuthuggers are always trying to come up with bullshit excuses why dorian is better, in this case, by once again claiming that ronnie 99 shots are altered..and thus they are not really better because they are 'faked' ::)
its pathetic. honestly. :-\
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All this talk from nut-huggers about arm development really means shit because Coleman lost
really? I wasn't aware that a 1999 or even 1998 Ronnie ever competed against dorian..
I must have missed that contest.
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Dorian knew he was going to be defeated. Thats why he retired
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beautiful glute striations (NO HOMO)
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hey, some say that it was ripped glutes and hams that tipped the scales to ronnie's favor at the 98 olympia over flex, even though anyone can see he was much harder all around than flex was that year..
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Ronnie absolutely killed Flex from the back.....Flex's rdb was impressive, but his RLS was awful, and he was soft in the glutes/hams.
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ya noobs out here that grew up in the yr 2000 bbing era dont know the friggin meaning behind Volume and Mass
Ronnie has tonnes of volume...paul dillett had tonnes of volume
Dorian ws massive...and light yrs ahead of ronnie
the end
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ya noobs out here that grew up in the yr 2000 bbing era dont know the friggin meaning behind Volume and Mass
then enlighten us all about the difference between volume and mass ::)
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then enlighten us all about the difference between volume and mass ::)
go take a physics class....
i dont have patience for retard
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Ronnie absolutely killed Flex from the back.....Flex's rdb was impressive, but his RLS was awful, and he was soft in the glutes/hams.
Agreed
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ya noobs out here that grew up in the yr 2000 bbing era dont know the friggin meaning behind Volume and Mass
Ronnie has tonnes of volume...paul dillett had tonnes of volume
Dorian ws massive...and light yrs ahead of ronnie
the end
Also agreed.
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go take a physics class....
i dont have patience for retard
I figured you were talking out of your ass. Making stupid comments + using insults = shit for brains
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I agree to the extent that Ronnie is has more of a volume, pumped look whereas Dorian had a granier, denser look. However, I wouldn't say Dorian was light years ahead of Ronnie. I think Dorian's size/conditioning combo would likely prevail over a 98/99 Ronnie, but it would be close.
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then enlighten us all about the difference between volume and mass
It's the content of the volume. You can have more volume with less mass if te content of the volume has a higher pecentage of fat and water. This is simple deductive logic.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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you nuthuggers are always trying to come up with bullshit excuses why dorian is better, in this case, by once again claiming that ronnie 99 shots are altered..and thus they are not really better because they are 'faked' ::)
its pathetic. honestly.
But the picture has been altered. This is obvious. That is, Ronnie didn't appear to people's eyes onstage as he appears in this picture.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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It's the content of the volume. You can have more volume with less mass if te content of the volume has a higher pecentage of fat and water. This is simple deductive logic.
what's up suckmymuscle? It's been a while since our exchanges in the Truce thread. The problem with Toxic's post is that he doesn't explain what criteria he's using (not that it matters). If he's referring to density, Ronnie at the 01 ASC was more conditioned than Dorian. If he's referring to size, Ronnie at the 03 Mr. Olympia was bigger. Even if you subtract non-lean mass, Ronnie still carried more muscle. So his comment about volume and mass is stupid. Anyway, hope everything is well with you and Happy New Year.
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The photoshoot vid looks legit, but there have been Ronnie pics posted that are obviously sharpened.
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But the picture has been altered. This is obvious. That is, Ronnie didn't appear to people's eyes onstage as he appears in this picture.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
no, it has not been altered, and yes Ronnie appeared that way onstage.
this hocus pocus bullshit you are trying to get people to believe is tiresome...and totally wrong.
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what's up suckmymuscle? It's been a while since our exchanges in the Truce thread. The problem with Toxic's post is that he doesn't explain what criteria he's using (not that it matters). If he's referring to density, Ronnie at the 01 ASC was more conditioned than Dorian. If he's referring to size, Ronnie at the 03 Mr. Olympia was bigger. Even if you subtract non-lean mass, Ronnie still carried more muscle. So his comment about volume and mass is stupid. Anyway, hope everything is well with you and Happy New Year.
I would agree that 2003 Ronnie had more mass than Dorian, or any other bodybuilder to step on stage for that matter. However, Ronnie's conditioning was off in order to carry all that size - although he dominated that year. In 2001, Coleman's conditioning was arguably equal to Dorian's; however, the difference I see is that Dorian carried more size than Ronnie had in 2001 while at least obtaining the same level of conditioning. I have argued all along that Dorian would give Ronnie trouble because of his ability to keep his conditioning while competing at a higher weight than Ronnie. I think a 265lb yates would outsize a 250lb Coleman and would have as good or better conditioning. Just my 2 cents...
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no, it has not been altered, and yes Ronnie appeared that way onstage.
this hocus pocus bullshit you are trying to get people to believe is tiresome...and totally wrong.
I hate to disagree with you, but the source of that video frame has been altered although I doubt it was done intentionally. Kinda funny that educating myself on how to calibrate my new LCD TV helped me learn different ways to manipulate images to produce an intended effect.
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The photoshoot vid looks legit, but there have been a good number of Ronnie pics posted that are obviously sharpened.
true, there are a few ronnie shots floating around the web that have been sharpened.
but the 99 video or shots are not among them.
such pics never get posted on this board by me either.
and, for the record, there are so many morphed dorian shots on the web that the real ones are impossible to find anymore..eg. it took 3 seconds to find two of probably hundreds:
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no, it has not been altered, and yes Ronnie appeared that way onstage.
this hocus pocus bullshit you are trying to get people to believe is tiresome...and totally wrong.
He didn't appear that way onstage, Hulkster, because I've seen pictures of him where he's far more underwhelming. We must assume that the less formidable versions of him are how he really looked, since I've never heard of photographers making their pictures look worse on purpose. Hope this helps.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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true, there are a few ronnie shots floating around the web that have been sharpened.
but the 99 video or shots are not among them.
such pics never get posted on this board by me either.
and, for the record, there are so many morphed dorian shots on the web that the real ones are impossible to find anymore..eg. it took 3 seconds to find two of probably hundreds:
"Two of probably hundreds"??? That's a bit of an exaggeration, wouldn't you say? The two you posted are the only two I have ever seen of Dorian, and none of the Dorian fans post them repeatedly as you do your infamous 99 Ronnie pics.
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I hate to disagree with you, but the source of that video frame has been altered although I doubt it was done intentionally. Kinda funny that educating myself on how to calibrate my new LCD TV helped me learn different ways to manipulate images to produce an intended effect.
Hulkster will never believe this, even when it's obvious to the rest of us...
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I hate to disagree with you, but the source of that video frame has been altered although I doubt it was done intentionally. Kinda funny that educating myself on how to calibrate my new LCD TV helped me learn different ways to manipulate images to produce an intended effect.
what effect does the alteration have? does it make ronnie look more detailed? shapely? vascular? etc.?
are we talking simply a ratio aspect here or what? every screenshot I have ever seen of that mm looks the same. other than slight colour differences depending on who took it..
eg: one is from ForcedReps, the other from Iceman.
two different people taking two shots independent of one another and the physique looks the same.
so the guy argument fails miserably.
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Here's an example of Hulkser's antics taken from this very thread.....
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what's up suckmymuscle? It's been a while since our exchanges in the Truce thread. The problem with Toxic's post is that he doesn't explain what criteria he's using (not that it matters). If he's referring to density, Ronnie at the 01 ASC was more conditioned than Dorian. If he's referring to size, Ronnie at the 03 Mr. Olympia was bigger. Even if you subtract non-lean mass, Ronnie still carried more muscle. So his comment about volume and mass is stupid. Anyway, hope everything is well with you and Happy New Year.
Hi. Happy New Year to you, too. I certainly agree with you that Ronnie at the 2003 Olympia carried more lean muscle nass than Dorian despite also carrying more bodyfat and water. As for carrying more muscle per volume at the 2001 ASC, we have no way of knowing that, but Dorian was always complimented for his density, and even though Ronnie at the 2001 ASC was too, he was never compared favorably against Dorian in the density department. I gota be hobest with you. I've watched both the 2001 ASC video and Ronnie's 2001 ASC photo shoot and I felt he had a slight film of water. Maybe it was the lighting or poor oil, but this is what I sensed.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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"Two of probably hundreds"??? That's a bit of an exaggeration, wouldn't you say? The two you posted are the only two I have ever seen of Dorian, and none of the Dorian fans post them repeatedly as you do your infamous 99 Ronnie pics.
hard to say. I have never taken the time to look, but there are quite a few out there.
eg:
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He didn't appear that way onstage, Hulkster, because I've seen pictures of him where he's far more underwhelming. We must assume that the less formidable versions of him are how he really looked, since I've never heard of photographers making their pictures look worse on purpose. Hope this helps.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
This post was for you, Hulkster.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Here's an example of Hulkser's antics taken from this very thread.....
it was not made by me, but posted to prove a point:
that ronnie's shape and detail overcomes dorian's 'graininess'
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Stop the video at 3:45.....and compare! Nice try Hulkster ::)
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it was not made by me, but posted to prove a point:
that ronnie's shape and detail overcomes dorian's 'graininess'
Yeah, his detail looks outstanding in an obviously-sharpened pic ::)
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I would agree that 2003 Ronnie had more mass than Dorian, or any other bodybuilder to step on stage for that matter. However, Ronnie's conditioning was off in order to carry all that size - although he dominated that year. In 2001, Coleman's conditioning was arguably equal to Dorian's; however, the difference I see is that Dorian carried more size than Ronnie had in 2001 while at least obtaining the same level of conditioning. I have argued all along that Dorian would give Ronnie trouble because of his ability to keep his conditioning while competing at a higher weight than Ronnie. I think a 265lb yates would outsize a 250lb Coleman and would have as good or better conditioning. Just my 2 cents...
I pretty much agree with you. The only versions of Ronnie which I think could beat Dorian are 01 ASC, 02 BFTO, and 03 Mr Olympia. I feel his best overall package was in 03. He was massive beyond belief (and this was after Dorian, mind you) and conditioned for 287 lbs.
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He didn't appear that way onstage, Hulkster, because I've seen pictures of him where he's far more underwhelming.
but what you fail to realize is that screenshots will always look different than magazine shots, and the same exact thing occurs with everyone, including dorian, as it does with ronnie..
so your argument as it relates to dorian vs ronnie doesn't hold up.
screenshot to screenshot, ronnie crushes dorian's best.
this was covered in depth in the truce thread..
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Yeah, his detail looks outstanding in an obviously-sharpened pic ::)
I suppose you are going to argue famous shots like this are 'sharpened' too?
::)
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but what you fail to realize is that screenshots will always look different than magazine shots, and the same exact thing occurs with everyone, including dorian, as it does with ronnie..
so your argument as it relates to dorian vs ronnie doesn't hold up.
screenshot to screenshot, ronnie crushes dorian's best.
this was covered in depth in the truce thread..
uh, it is clear that the coloring has been altered in the Ronnie shot there...it is obviously sharpened. Nonetheless, Dorian is more than holding his own in that comparison (yes I know Ronnie wins the MM pose).
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what effect does the alteration have? does it make ronnie look more detailed? shapely? vascular? etc.?
Yes, by enhancing the lines that represent the separations between muscles and bringing greater contrast, which enhances the appearance of veins.
are we talking simply a ratio aspect here or what? every screenshot I have ever seen of that mm looks the same. other than slight colour differences depending on who took it..
Different cameras taking the same picture under the same lights will give the same color to a picture. Different colors result from artificially changing contrast after the picture has been taken. I can change the colors of the same picture if you want and post them here, Hulkster.
eg: one is from ForcedReps, the other from Iceman.
two different people taking two shots independent of one another and the physique looks the same
Sure, the shape and sizes of the physique is the same, but the contrast and degree of sharpness of separations and striations varies dramatically, and these are effects which different cameras do not produce.
so the guy argument fails miserably.
You fail to realize just how sad you sound right now...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I suppose you are going to argue famous shots like this are 'sharpened' too?
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Nope, these ones look legit.
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Pause the video at 3:45 and then compare to the pic Hulkster always posts. The difference is staggering. What's funny is Hulkster posts the sharpened MM more than any other pics, lol.
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what effect does the alteration have? does it make ronnie look more detailed? shapely? vascular? etc.?
I'm not an expert on photography but lower resolution and changing lighting (e.g. brightness & contrast) can exaggerate nuances like veins and separations. I bet a high definition pic of 99 Ronnie without any editing wouldn't look as impressive. On the same token, the same can be said about Dorian.
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I'm not an expert on photography but lower resolution and changing lighting (e.g. brightness and contrast) can exaggerate nuances like separations and striations.
Exactly...especially when arguing about conditioning, density etc. I can see the argument for someone preferring Ronnie--he was awesome, and bb is totally subjective. Here is one of my favorite shots of Ronnie from the 2001 A/C, he was undoubtedly bone dry.
However, Hulkster's consistent barrage of insults aimed at Dorian coupled with the same sharpened 99 photos gets really old.
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Exactly...especially when arguing about conditioning, density etc. I can see the argument for someone preferring Ronnie--he was awesome, and bb is totally subjective. Here is one of my favorite shots of Ronnie from the 2001 A/C, he was undoubtedly bone dry.
that is also one of my fav pics of 01 ASC. Here's one I scanned which is bigger. Unfortunately, Flex magazine printed his pic right in the middle where the pages meet.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman33.jpg)
as for my all-time fav pics of Ronnie, I'd have to say 02 BFTO. Apparently there are unreleased pics of him which rival the new B&W shot of 95 Dorian that was featured on bb.com.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman1a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman10.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman9.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman6.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman2.jpg)
However, Hulkster's consistent barrage of insults aimed at Dorian coupled with the same sharpened 99 photos gets really old.
I give credit where credit is due, and Dorian was simply awesome. Hell, I payed tribute to him when I competed in Mr. Getbig II. Anyone who saw my pics knows what I'm talking about ;D
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Compare 3:45 and 3:49 with the below photos.....
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that is also one of my fav pics of 01 ASC. Here's one I scanned which is bigger. Unfortunately, Flex magazine printed his pic right in the middle where the pages meet.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman33.jpg)
as for my all-time fav pics of Ronnie, I'd have to say 02 BFTO. Apparently there are unreleased pics of him which rival the new B&W shot of 95 Dorian that was featured on bb.com.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman1a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman10.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman9.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman6.jpg)
I give credit where credit is due, and Dorian was simply awesome. Hell, I payed tribute to him when I competed in Mr. Getbig II. Anyone who saw my pics knows what I'm talking about ;D
I think the 02 BFTO Ronnie footage is probably the freakiest ever. The 93 Dorian photoshoot is close; neither look human.
I actually attended the 02 Mr. O. Right before Ronnie took the stage they played the BFTO footage and the entire audience was just going crazy. Unfortunately, he looked nowhere near that freaky when he took the stage in 02 and almost lost to a legless Levrone. In 03, however, Ronnie was absolutely insane on the stage and wiped the floor with everyone. Never had the chance to see Dorian in person.
Here is the 93 Dorian footage. I couldn't find the actual 02 BFTO video footage of Ronnie >:(
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Coleman is the GOAT
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Pause the video at 3:45 and then compare to the pic Hulkster always posts. The difference is staggering. What's funny is Hulkster posts the sharpened MM more than any other pics, lol.
The youtube video your using of Coleman there is terrible quality.
The actual video would make screencaps appear somewhat sharpened from the excellent lighting.
This video of Ruhl is about as close as to the actual video quality from the 1999 O you will see on youtube. Remember this is compressed video, so caps from the actual video would appear even sharper.
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All lighting. Ronnie owns.
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I give credit where credit is due, and Dorian was simply awesome. Hell, I payed tribute to him when I competed in Mr. Getbig II. Anyone who saw my pics knows what I'm talking about ;D
Thanks for this. I have no problem with someone thinking that Ronnie is better than Dorian. Ronnie looked like a freak with a wasp waist at the 1998 Olympia and, myself, I had a hard time deciding who would win between him and Dorian.
My problem with Hulkster, and the reason why I defended Dorian so tenaciously in the Truce Thread, is because he talks about Dorian as if he were barely worthy of competing at the NPC Nationals, let alone win the Olympia six times and five with straight-firsts scores. Dorian at his best would be Ronnie's most worthy competition, and even if Ronnie won, it would be a win by points and not a straight-firsts win. No one, even at their absolute best, can defeat an all-time best Dorian by straight-firsts win. No one.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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No one, even at their absolute best, can defeat an all-time best Dorian by straight-firsts win. No one.
ronnie could :P
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ronnie could :P
Same weight, Dorian has superior conditioning and better structure. It could go either way.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I suppose you are going to argue famous shots like this are 'sharpened' too?
No, they are not sharpened and Ronnie looks awesome. However, he does enjoy better lightning in these shots than Dorian had for most of his.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Hulkster just called in sick to work retired
fixed..
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(http://fitblog.biz/uploads/posts/thumbs/1178028153_coleman_1.jpeg)
(http://fitblog.biz/uploads/posts/thumbs/1178028059_coleman_3.jpeg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=312528.0;attach=353280;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=312528.0;attach=353281;image)
What was this comparison supposed to prove?
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Ronnie = freak
Dorian = too much x-factor for anyone.....
close, but prize goes to Dorian
Come on, how can you give the nod to Dorian over Ronnie? Ronnie was amazing, and had the genetics too. Dorians arms sucked.
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so did his quads.
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so did his quads.
Disagree on quads
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compared to Ronnie's quads they sucked..but ronnie's quads are among the greatest ever. the lack of cuts from the front kills dorian's quads when you compare them to ronnie's.
btw, the really is no comparison to this vid compared to the famous 93 shots, its like night and day:
ronnie is lightyears ahead.
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No, they are not sharpened and Ronnie looks awesome. However, he does enjoy better lightning in these shots than Dorian had for most of his.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
The more you increase the contrast the more cuts and separation are visible yes. If you turn the contrast right up it starts to look black and white.
So really we have to bear in mind all classic Dorian pics at his best are black and white, where cuts and separation are exaggerated the most.
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compared to Ronnie's quads they sucked..but ronnie's quads are among the greatest ever. the lack of cuts from the front kills dorian's quads when you compare them to ronnie's.
btw, the really is no comparison to this vid compared to the famous 93 shots, its like night and day:
ronnie is lightyears ahead.
No Hulkster, only in your delusional, blind and ignorant world is Ronnie "light years" ahead or is it "not even close." It's one thing to prefer Ronnie--he arguably is the GOAT. But strong arguments can also be made about Dorian. Your stupidity and obsessive bias shows more and more with each of your posts. You are more obsessed with your dislike for Yates than your admiration of Coleman.....it really isn't healthy.
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bwahahaha
someone is pissed that there hero doesn't measure up to the standard set by ronnie.
cry me a river. :P
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The more you increase the contrast the more cuts and separation are visible yes. If you turn the contrast right up it starts to look black and white.
The 99' Olympia pics have been sharpened, but not the 2001 ASC pics. And yes, increasing contrast increases the visibility of the lines that mark separations and striations.
So really we have to bear in mind all classic Dorian pics at his best are black and white, where cuts and separation are exaggerated the most.
No, black&white photography does not increase the visibility of the lines that mark separations and striations as much as actually artificially sharpeneing a picture by manipulating contrast. And colors allow you to see more of the muscles overral than when they are in black&white, although I agree with you that black&white photography enhances separations more than when the muscles are seen in color.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I suppose the nuthuggers are going to say this vid has been altered and sharpened too? LOL
http://www.truveo.com/Ronnie-Coleman-1999-Mr-Olympia-Part-Two/id/1160132027
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the pathetic excuses continue..
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The 99' Olympia pics have been sharpened, but not the 2001 ASC pics. And yes, increasing contrast increases the visibility of the lines that mark separations and striations.
No, black&white photography does not increase the visibility of the lines that mark separations and striations as much as actually artificially sharpeneing a picture by manipulating contrast. And colors allow you to see more of the muscles overral than when they are in black&white, although I agree with you that black&white photography enhances separations more than when the muscles are seen in color.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
That's cool you didn't totally shoot me down. So you concede that b/w enhances separation and detail etc, but feel a 5-10% darkened colour photo does the same thing to a greater extent?
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No Hulkster, only in your delusional, blind and ignorant world is Ronnie "light years" ahead or is it "not even close." It's one thing to prefer Ronnie--he arguably is the GOAT. But strong arguments can also be made about Dorian. Your stupidity and obsessive bias shows more and more with each of your posts. You are more obsessed with your dislike for Yates than your admiration of Coleman.....it really isn't healthy.
Agreed. The thing is, Hulkster truely looks at those two vids, and in his mind he really believes there is no comparison. I mean he truely is that delusional.
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there is no comparison.. :P
ronnie 99>>> dorian 93
and don't even start with post tear 95. thats even worse.
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Hullkster... Sigh...
This is arguably Dorians worst pose.
And it's technically near flawless. Slightly bigger arms and I'd say it's flawless.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=3704&id=39714&Itemid=266)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=3704&id=39648&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=3704&id=39642&Itemid=202)
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=3704&id=39713&Itemid=202)
;D
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=3704&id=39645&Itemid=202)
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Hulkster, there is NO way Ronnie would blow him out of the water... it would be as close as you can possibly get.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=3704&id=39619&Itemid=266)
And yeah Hulkster.. your beloved Shawn Ray.. No threat.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=3704&id=39572&Itemid=266)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=3704&id=39573&Itemid=266)
Hes turned to the side from Shawn.. and hes still dwarfing him.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=3704&id=39571&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=3704&id=39507&Itemid=202)
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All Dorians black and white pictures are the best, due to the fact he's in phenomenal shape in more importantly, perhaps, there is a considerable introduction of "noise" in the form of grainyness that is existent throughout the picture. Hint: if the background is grainy, that noise is projected onto the physique aswell. You're looking through a "filter". Dump noise on vince goodrum and things are going to get more granite-like.
I will now polish a turd to prove the point. Actually, I will prove you cannot polish a complete turd.
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All Dorians black and white pictures are the best, due to the fact he's in phenomenal shape in more importantly, perhaps, there is a considerable introduction of "noise" in the form of grainyness that is existent throughout the picture. Hint: if the background is grainy, that noise is projected onto the physique aswell. You're looking through a "filter". Dump noise on vince goodrum and things are going to get more granite-like.
I will now polish a turd to prove the point. Actually, I will prove you cannot polish a complete turd.
black and white pics definitely enhance a physique.
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black and white pics definitely enhance a physique.
Who cares? Any pic of Yates is far more impressive than anything the waterlogged 8 time Mr. Olympia ever produced on camera.
(http://www.blueprintsolution.com/store/fitcommerce/ronnie_coleman_flag.jpg)
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Who cares?
people with enough brain cells to realize that pics can enhance a physique, which leads me to wonder what you're doing posting in this thread? In all seriousness, you even look like someone who is missing a few chromosomes. :-\
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k181/gravityx2002/getbigavatar.jpg)
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people with enough brain cells to realize that pics can enhance a physique, which leads me to wonder what you're doing posting in this thread? In all seriousness, you even look like someone who is missing a few chromosomes. :-\
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k181/gravityx2002/getbigavatar.jpg)
This guy is just jealous because he looks like an ugly suicide bomber while many women fall at my feet. Women just laugh at semen brains 'cause he looks and acts like a twat all the time. Building that fitness instructor physique did him the world of good when it comes to pulling women. LOL
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This guy is just jealous because he looks like an ugly suicide bomber while many women fall at my feet. Women just laugh at semen brains 'cause he looks and acts like a twat all the time. Building that fitness instructor physique did him the world of good when it comes to pulling women. LOL
let's see this pic of me where I look like an "ugly suicide bomber" lol
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let's see this pic of me where I look like an "ugly suicide bomber" lol
I'm not a queer like your old friend Pumpster who holds on to guy's pics for decades but I remember your face resembled this cloth head minger:
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/suicide-bomber-5.jpg)
Anyway, back to the main subject. That video was shot professionally backstage at 1999 Olympia. Had the 93 vid been shot professionally it would be 100 times more impressive than the 99 vid.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=312528.0;attach=353259;image)
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I'm not a queer like your old friend Pumpster who holds on to guy's pics for decades but I remember your face resembled this cloth head minger:
hahaha, I look nothing like that. Btw I'm Cuban
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hahaha, I look nothing like that. Btw I'm Cuban
Are you sure you're not a Jewish fitness instructor?
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Are you sure you're not a Jewish fitness instructor
hmm, let me think... pretty sure I'm a Hispanic student in physician assistant school. I left personal training b/c I grew bored with it.
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Wow, now I see that B&W definitely enhances a picture. LOL