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Biblical scholar's date for rapture: May 21, 2011
Justin Berton, Chronicle Staff Writer
Harold Camping lets out a hearty chuckle when he considers the people who believe the world will end in 2012.
"That date has not one stitch of biblical authority," Camping says from the Oakland office where he runs Family Radio, an evangelical station that reaches listeners around the world. "It's like a fairy tale."
The real date for the end of times, he says, is in 2011.
The Mayans and the recent Hollywood movie "2012" have put the apocalypse in the popular mind this year, but Camping has been at this business for a long time. And while Armageddon is pop science or big-screen entertainment to many, Camping has followers from the Bay Area to China.
Camping, 88, has scrutinized the Bible for almost 70 years and says he has developed a mathematical system to interpret prophecies hidden within the Good Book. One night a few years ago, Camping, a civil engineer by trade, crunched the numbers and was stunned at what he'd found: The world will end May 21, 2011.
This is not the first time Camping has made a bold prediction about Judgment Day.
On Sept. 6, 1994, dozens of Camping's believers gathered inside Alameda's Veterans Memorial Building to await the return of Christ, an event Camping had promised for two years. Followers dressed children in their Sunday best and held Bibles open-faced toward heaven.
But the world did not end. Camping allowed that he may have made a mathematical error. He spent the next decade running new calculations, as well as overseeing a media company that has grown significantly in size and reach.
"We are now translated into 48 languages and have been transmitting into China on an AM station without getting jammed once," Camping said. "How can that happen without God's mercy?"
His office is flanked by satellite dishes in the parking lot that transmit his talk show, "Open Forum." In the Bay Area, he's heard on 610 AM, KEAR. Camping says his company owns about 55 stations in the United States alone, and that his message arrives on every continent.
I'm looking forward to it'
Employees at the Oakland office run printing presses that publish Camping's pamphlets and books, and some wear T-shirts that read, "May 21, 2011." They're happy to talk about the day they believe their souls will be retrieved by Christ.
"I'm looking forward to it," said Ted Solomon, 60, who started listening to Camping in 1997. He's worked at Family Radio since 2004, making sure international translators properly dictate Camping's sermons.
"This world may have had an attraction to me at one time," Solomon said. "But now it's definitely lost its appeal."
Camping is a frail-looking man, and his voice is low and deep, but it can rise to dramatic peaks with a preacher's flair.
As a young man, he owned an East Bay construction business but longed to work as a servant of God. So he hit the books.
"Because I was an engineer, I was very interested in the numbers," he said. "I'd wonder, 'Why did God put this number in, or that number in?' It was not a question of unbelief, it was a question of, 'There must be a reason for it.' "
Code-breaking phenomenon
Camping is not the only man to see truths in the Bible hidden in the numbers. In the late 1990s, a code-breaking phenomenon took off, led by "The Bible Code," written by former Washington Post journalist Michael Drosnin.
Drosnin developed a technique that revealed prophecies within the Bible's text. A handful of biblical scholars have supported Drosnin's theory, lending it an air of legitimacy, and just as many scholars have decried it as farce.
One of Drosnin's more well-known findings is that a meteor will strike Earth in 2012, the same year some people believe the Mayan calendar marks the end of times, and the same year the "2012" action movie surmised the Earth's crust will destabilize and kill most humans.
Meaning in numbers
By Camping's understanding, the Bible was dictated by God and every word and number carries a spiritual significance. He noticed that particular numbers appeared in the Bible at the same time particular themes are discussed.
The number 5, Camping concluded, equals "atonement." Ten is "completeness." Seventeen means "heaven." Camping patiently explained how he reached his conclusion for May 21, 2011.
"Christ hung on the cross April 1, 33 A.D.," he began. "Now go to April 1 of 2011 A.D., and that's 1,978 years."
Camping then multiplied 1,978 by 365.2422 days - the number of days in each solar year, not to be confused with a calendar year.
Next, Camping noted that April 1 to May 21 encompasses 51 days. Add 51 to the sum of previous multiplication total, and it equals 722,500.
Camping realized that (5 x 10 x 17) x (5 x 10 x 17) = 722,500.
Or put into words: (Atonement x Completeness x Heaven), squared.
"Five times 10 times 17 is telling you a story," Camping said. "It's the story from the time Christ made payment for your sins until you're completely saved.
"I tell ya, I just about fell off my chair when I realized that," Camping said.
James Kreuger, author of "Secrets of the Apocalypse - Revealed," has been studying the end of times for 40 years and is familiar with Camping's work. While Kreuger agrees that the rapture is indeed coming, he disputes Camping's method.
"For all his learning, Camping makes a classic beginner's mistake when he sets a date for Christ's return," Kreuger wrote in an e-mail. "Jesus himself said in Matthew 24:36, 'Of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my father only.' "
'It is going to happen'
Camping's believers will have none of it.
Rick LaCasse, who attended the September 1994 service in Alameda, said that 15 years later, his faith in Camping has only strengthened.
"Evidently, he was wrong," LaCasse allowed, "but this time it is going to happen. There was some doubt last time, but we didn't have any proofs. This time we do."
Would his opinion of Camping change if May 21, 2011, ended without incident?
"I can't even think like that," LaCasse said. "Everything is too positive right now. There's too little time to think like that."
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Isn't the Rapture, pretty much, for lack of better term, "made up"? And the Mayan Calendar doesn't state that the world will end in 2012, but merely a new epoch will end and a new one will begin.
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Is Camping the guy that said that the archangel Michael is Jesus? :-\
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Isn't the Rapture, pretty much, for lack of better term, "made up"? And the Mayan Calendar doesn't state that the world will end in 2012, but merely a new epoch will end and a new one will begin.
The concept of the Rapture is biblical but the word Rapture is not used in the bible.
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This is absolutely retarted, and in fact it infuriates me. If anyone actually believes, why are they still working? saving money? Giving a shit about their day to day lifes? If you "knew" the world would end in only a couple of years, why would you not just relax, spend time with your friends and family, have fun? Why work or do anything? I challenge anyone who truly believes this prophecy, to sell all of their possesions and give the money to the poor on May 20th, 2011. Let's see who really believes this hog wash.
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Biblical scholar's date for rapture: May 21, 2011
Justin Berton, Chronicle Staff Writer
Harold Camping lets out a hearty chuckle when he considers the people who believe the world will end in 2012.
"That date has not one stitch of biblical authority," Camping says from the Oakland office where he runs Family Radio, an evangelical station that reaches listeners around the world. "It's like a fairy tale."
Oh, the irony.
Bay, are you a Christian?
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This is absolutely retarted, and in fact it infuriates me. If anyone actually believes, why are they still working? saving money? Giving a shit about their day to day lifes? If you "knew" the world would end in only a couple of years, why would you not just relax, spend time with your friends and family, have fun? Why work or do anything? I challenge anyone who truly believes this prophecy, to sell all of their possesions and give the money to the poor on May 20th, 2011. Let's see who really believes this hog wash.
Who here at getbig.com really believes that it will actually happen May 20th, 2011? I don't think anybody here does. Even those who believe in the Rapture believe that nobody knows the day or the hour.
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wonder if the freeway mess will be cleared up and easier to travel ?
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Who here at getbig.com really believes that it will actually happen May 20th, 2011? I don't think anybody here does. Even those who believe in the Rapture believe that nobody knows the day or the hour.
If Camping says it will, I def. don't believe it.
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http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/may21/JudgmentDay.mp3 :o
Let's hope maybe they have made some calculatory mistakes for gods sake! :(
I still think it's worth to advancing in workouts and simply hope they figured something wrong.
This is certainly bodybuilding related.
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Told you... :o
http://www.cnn.com/2011/LIVING/03/06/judgment.day.caravan/index.html?hpt=C1
hopefully they have got their calculations bible studies screwed up
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The date may or may not be accurate. The theory, however, is bona fide and the guarantee of the horrors that are soon coming to pass is iron clad. The great biblical minds of the Watchtower are scouring the Old Testament for dates and Revelation for details. It wouldn't hurt to have a pal like Branch in the final days. A monster of a man with guns and trucks.
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There will be much weeping and the nashing of teeth...
Repent!!!
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Eh, Mayan calendar much more accurate
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Wrong date.
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Wrong date.
Pretty sure we are not to know the exact hour of the Lord's return?
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Pretty sure we are not to know the exact hour of the Lord's return?
Yup, cus if you believe in the rapture/bible, you also should believe in the part where it says not even Jesus knows the date.
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Anyone found the wandering jew yet?
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I cant believe people still subscribe to these archaic beliefs....these people that quit there job & left there homes will feel stupid as fuck come may 21st...and even dumber on oct 22nd...
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Pretty sure we are not to know the exact hour of the Lord's return?
For 2 thousand yrs, the same thing has been said...I know that God's time table is diff than ours, you know the right calendars, times have to be set, non-leap yr, correct time zones. World Destruction is a pretty big thing, and you can't nonchalantly do your planning. I mean, you eff that up, who is going to believe you anymore?
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If the world is destroyed it will be by man or mother nature...not some imaginary man in the sky....
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Yup, cus if you believe in the rapture/bible, you also should believe in the part where it says not even Jesus knows the date.
I was reading Mathew earlier, and I have to take a stance that we can not know the exact date and time. That is just the way it is, there is no computation that we can use to figure it out.
Anyone who believes otherwise does not believe in the word of God as preached to Jesus's disciples.
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This is absolute nonsense. I'm a Christian and I totally disagree with that fool talking about End Of The World.
Ask yourself this: If God is love, why is He destroying the world?
Whoever said in that radio is absolute rubbish and IF there's a day of destruction of the planet, my money is on that guy failed to make it to Heaven because obviously he's not preaching the Gospel and not knowing God's heart.
He's an idiot and totally preaching against the gospel.
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Agree with the above 2 posters.
I beliebe mankind cannot know the date IMHO.
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This is absolute nonsense. I'm a Christian and I totally disagree with that fool talking about End Of The World.
Ask yourself this: If God is love, why is He destroying the world?
Whoever said in that radio is absolute rubbish and IF there's a day of destruction of the planet, my money is on that guy failed to make it to Heaven because obviously he's not preaching the Gospel and not knowing God's heart.
He's an idiot and totally preaching against the gospel.
men have but using God's word for the own twisted reasons forever.
In the bible, he destroy it once with water, already tho.
People say that this is why we don't live a long ass time now, the atmosphere and oxygen saturation levels changed. Plus some of your brain dies a birth becuase the oxygen levels :o. I ever heard, that some people want to built a pre-flood life dome, to raise.. I'm not making this up, a super baby. With sounds like a nazi experiment. :-\ But if this was possible, i think some one would have done it by now? cough, cough *Germans* Cough
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oh brother
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oh brother
lol
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evolution and natural selection are "proven". And they show there are a gender and racial war going on. Women erasing men -in occident, but as the world wants to live like occidentals you get the picture- , homosexuals attempting more and more to convert heterosexuals into homosexuals by force while taking over the medias, men abandonning wives and sons increasing the phenomenon of globalized homosexualization of the masses tenfold.
Muslims wanting to kill /replace/convert everyone who s not muslim. Homosexuals taking over occidental societies wanting to eradicate women as much as they want to eradicate heterosexuals. Millions of immigrants wanting to replace white people who dont reproduce anymore , after losing faith in religion. possible clash between homosexuals and immigrants replacing white -homosexuals and not reproducing anymore- people. Black, asian, whites, NOT mixing but living in growing communities with latent racism everywhere...
Chinese waiting for their "finest hour"...
And asteroids, solar blasts etc. I do not believe aliens are going to destroy us cause life on other planets can only lead to the same result; water, forests, reptiles, mamals, ... mankinds. And all these mankinds are going to self destruct before reaching the possibility to travel thru space/time.
One thing is sure, the more occidentals get access to a better, longer, more confortable life, the less they are "happy" and the more family explodes and the more these societies produce schizoid individuals.
AND; there's nothing much more to "discover". It's all about killing or being killed. The end isnt going to come from the outside, but from within.
well a lot of realistics reasons to worry compared to what is written in the bible. But sometimes it looks a lot like what has been written, if you read between the lines. It would mean the schyzophrenic people who wrote it -who see, hear things, who see in the future and connect the dots while everyone think they should just have a beer- in the past were in fact not schizophrens by today standard but prophets. Does it mean our asylums are full of prophets who know what's going to happen?
One thing is sure, everybody thinks something is going to happen, and everybody knows that only a fraction of mankind will survive.
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ocean is pretty much discovered?
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ocean is pretty much discovered?
what has to be discovered? wierd fishes in the abyss fighting for their survival like every other living being on earth or on any other planet in the universe? Wow, fascinating....Nothing we dont know alrdy; struggle for survival everywhere, everytime. The same story over and over and over.
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Let's see how fuckin jacked and fuckin tan I could get
Are you saying if jacked and tanned you have a better chance with reduced costs for whores?
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::)
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evolution and natural selection are "proven". And they show there are a gender and racial war going on. Women erasing men -in occident, but as the world wants to live like occidentals you get the picture- , homosexuals attempting more and more to convert heterosexuals into homosexuals by force while taking over the medias, men abandonning wives and sons increasing the phenomenon of globalized homosexualization of the masses tenfold.
Muslims wanting to kill /replace/convert everyone who s not muslim. Homosexuals taking over occidental societies wanting to eradicate women as much as they want to eradicate heterosexuals. Millions of immigrants wanting to replace white people who dont reproduce anymore , after losing faith in religion. possible clash between homosexuals and immigrants replacing white -homosexuals and not reproducing anymore- people. Black, asian, whites, NOT mixing but living in growing communities with latent racism everywhere...
Chinese waiting for their "finest hour"...
And asteroids, solar blasts etc. I do not believe aliens are going to destroy us cause life on other planets can only lead to the same result; water, forests, reptiles, mamals, ... mankinds. And all these mankinds are going to self destruct before reaching the possibility to travel thru space/time.
One thing is sure, the more occidentals get access to a better, longer, more confortable life, the less they are "happy" and the more family explodes and the more these societies produce schizoid individuals.
AND; there's nothing much more to "discover". It's all about killing or being killed. The end isnt going to come from the outside, but from within.
well a lot of realistics reasons to worry compared to what is written in the bible. But sometimes it looks a lot like what has been written, if you read between the lines. It would mean the schyzophrenic people who wrote it -who see, hear things, who see in the future and connect the dots while everyone think they should just have a beer- in the past were in fact not schizophrens by today standard but prophets. Does it mean our asylums are full of prophets who know what's going to happen?
One thing is sure, everybody thinks something is going to happen, and everybody knows that only a fraction of mankind will survive.
Im kinda confused by the end of this post.
So what do you think is going to happen? Ive felt my whole life that something cataclysmic was going to happen in my lifetime, but just ignored it, just a weird, gut feeling. Like I said, its just weird.
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Harold Camping = false teacher/preacher and/or very confused.
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The only thing more pathetic than these bible bashing homophobic pedophile accepting pinheads are
the people never passing an opportunity in trying to argue their point that god does not exist ::) with the exact pinheads.
Its fucking pointless, you cannot argue or debate with stupid or mentally blinded people, that is the whole
point of religion to always think you are right and to leave no option for doubt.
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Im kinda confused by the end of this post.
So what do you think is going to happen? Ive felt my whole life that something cataclysmic was going to happen in my lifetime, but just ignored it, just a weird, gut feeling. Like I said, its just weird.
dude! me too!i even remember writing my sister a letter about it.
crazy.
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dude! me too!i even remember writing my sister a letter about it.
crazy.
Yeah its weird.
The feeling has really gotten a lot stronger recently, when Im reading all these things about thinking the end is coming.
Its almost bad enough to make me want to relocate me and my wife to an out of the way spot in Canada, and just stay out of the way. lulz.
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what has to be discovered? wierd fishes in the abyss fighting for their survival like every other living being on earth or on any other planet in the universe? Wow, fascinating....Nothing we dont know alrdy; struggle for survival everywhere, everytime. The same story over and over and over.
Lol We don't know what is down there. Or in the universe, we guess basic on science and research. History shows that we are wrong alot.
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I don't mean to barge in so late, but does anyone have any recollection about the significance(if there was any)about a date called 6-6-06, or June 6, 2006.
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I don't mean to barge in so late, but does anyone have any recollection about the significance(if there was any)about a date called 6-6-06, or June 6, 2006.
George W. Bush announcing the Real ID Act on national television in front of a bunch of border patrol agents says google
sep 9 2009, apple event
so Steve Jobs and George W. Bush are working for satan. :o :o :o :o :o :o
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The date may or may not be accurate. The theory, however, is bona fide and the guarantee of the horrors that are soon coming to pass is iron clad. The great biblical minds of the Watchtower are scouring the Old Testament for dates and Revelation for details. It wouldn't hurt to have a pal like Branch in the final days. A monster of a man with guns and trucks.
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For 2 thousand yrs, the same thing has been said...I know that God's time table is diff than ours, you know the right calendars, times have to be set, non-leap yr, correct time zones. World Destruction is a pretty big thing, and you can't nonchalantly do your planning. I mean, you eff that up, who is going to believe you anymore?
EXACTLY.............." DOOMSDAY " prophecys have been said since the beginning of time. I thought the world was suppose to end in 2000?? (11 years later) lol.
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This is absolute nonsense. I'm a Christian and I totally disagree with that fool talking about End Of The World.
Ask yourself this: If God is love, why is He destroying the world?
Whoever said in that radio is absolute rubbish and IF there's a day of destruction of the planet, my money is on that guy failed to make it to Heaven because obviously he's not preaching the Gospel and not knowing God's heart.
He's an idiot and totally preaching against the gospel.
EXACTLY. AMEN BROTHA.
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men have but using God's word for the own twisted reasons forever.In the bible, he destroy it once with water, already tho.
People say that this is why we don't live a long ass time now, the atmosphere and oxygen saturation levels changed. Plus some of your brain dies a birth becuase the oxygen levels :o. I ever heard, that some people want to built a pre-flood life dome, to raise.. I'm not making this up, a super baby. With sounds like a nazi experiment. :-\ But if this was possible, i think some one would have done it by now? cough, cough *Germans* Cough
EXACTLY. Religion has been extremely corrupted by MAN. I was raised catholic, went to a catholic grade school for almost 10 years, going to church twice a week. My believes have changed. Yes i do believe in jesus/god, but WORLDLY/ORGANIZED RELIGION is MAN-MADE/CORRUPTED BY MAN. I forget where i read this from but, read that The Vatican has 5 billion dollars............thats funny, i didnt know it cost that much money to SIMPLY have faith/believe in GOD/JESUS.
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On May 22nd all the idiots that believe that the day before was the rapture and are still around should just abandon religion at that point.
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Of all the times to get raptured, right before my birthday!!!
;D
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I cant believe people still subscribe to these archaic beliefs....these people that quit there job & left there homes will feel stupid as fuck come may 21st...and even dumber on oct 22nd...
A guy who can't even tell the difference between the word "there" and "their", calling someone else "stupid as $&@#"?
On May 22nd all the idiots that believe that the day before was the rapture and are still around should just abandon religion at that point.
Why should they, especially since Scripture says that no man knows the day nor the hour when Christ will return?
Besides, they can just come to my birthday party!!!
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I thought it was December 21?
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oh brother
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313113.0;attach=405323;image)
Okay! ;D
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Of all the times to get raptured, right before my birthday!!!
;D
You'll never be another year older. ;D
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Is it possible for the end of the world to happen 14 billion years from now? yes
because of our feeble minds, we all think it's going to happen during our lifetime
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Is it possible for the end of the world to happen 14 billion years from now? yes
because of our feeble minds, we all think it's going to happen during our lifetime
FYI...the rapture and the end of the world are two different things.
Rapture: When? Only God knows
Great Tribulation: When? Shortly after Rapture
Millennium: When? About 7 years after Rapture
End of the world: When? Shortly after Millennium
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FYI...the rapture and the end of the world are two different things.
Rapture: When? Only God knows
Great Tribulation: When? Shortly after Rapture
Millennium: When? About 7 years after Rapture
End of the world: When? Shortly after Millennium
Rapture then. That's actually what i meant, Jesus coming back, dead bodies raising, etc.
A puzzle for you: Say there is a cannibal who is saved and died. He was a cannibal for his entire life, so all the meat on him is from other humans. The humans he ate were also saved. What will happen to his body in the rapture?
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Rapture then. That's actually what i meant, Jesus coming back, dead bodies raising, etc.
A puzzle for you: Say there is a cannibal who is saved and died. He was a cannibal for his entire life, so all the meat on him is from other humans. The humans he ate were also saved. What will happen to his body in the rapture?
You sir are a true philosopher.
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Rapture then. That's actually what i meant, Jesus coming back, dead bodies raising, etc.
A puzzle for you: Say there is a cannibal who is saved and died. He was a cannibal for his entire life, so all the meat on him is from other humans. The humans he ate were also saved. What will happen to his body in the rapture?
You are correct, only God knows the day and the hour of the Rapture!
That's easy. If the cannibal later gets saved and is still living at the time of the Rapture, his body will be transformed into a Heavenly body, like all the rest of the ruptured and resurrected believers.
The meat that his body absorbed became his own so nothing happens there.
The part that his body did not absorb, the waste, he crapped on the dust of the ground somewhere and it became part of the earth.
God formed Adam from the dust of the earth. So God will have no problems reconstructing the bodies of those believers the cannibal ate from the dust of the earth, resurrecting them and finally transforming their earthly bodies into Heavenly bodies.
If the cannibal is dead at the time of the Rapture, then all the easier.
Puzzle solved! ;D
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You are correct, only God knows the day and the hour of the Rapture!
That's easy. If the cannibal later gets saved and is still living at the time of the Rapture, his body will be transformed into a Heavenly body, like all the rest of the ruptured and resurrected believers.
The meat that his body absorbed became his own so nothing happens there.
The part that his body did not absorb, the waste, he crapped on the dust of the ground somewhere and it became part of the earth.
God formed Adam from the dust of the earth. So God will have no problems reconstructing the bodies of those believers the cannibal ate from the dust of the earth, resurrecting them and finally transforming their earthly bodies into Heavenly bodies.
If the cannibal is dead at the time of the Rapture, then all the easier.
Puzzle solved! ;D
I don't know how it is easier. The bodies in the grave will rise first, right? So all those earthly bodies laying in the dirt will rise up and meet Jesus in the air. If the cannibal is alive when the rapture takes place, then his body will have to go up to heaven, because his body is someone else's body whom the cannibal has eaten. So the cannibal will be without a body, correct? It is only when we get up into heaven that we will receive our new glorified body, right? The cannibal will have to have something to go up and meet Jesus.
If the cannibal is dead, then I don't see how the puzzle is any easier. It seems we get the same problem, "who will get what body?" If you want to say that God will create a new body for the cannibal, while the cannibal's flesh is torn off to give back to the previous alive saved people, then you have to explain that.
What if the cannibal is not saved, but those he had eaten were saved, and the cannibal is alive at the time of the rapture? The cannibal's body will have to stay here on earth, because only the saved are going to meet Jesus, but the dead in Christ will rise first, so the cannibal's body (the meat that he has absorbed throughout a lifetime of christian eating) will have to go up to heaven and be reformed into the body of whoever he had eaten, correct? So how can the cannibal stay here on earth without a body? Again if you want to say he will get a new body, you have to explain why, because that is not in the bible.
I do want to say that I may be talking out of my ass here. I haven't given it much thought, just however long it took me to type out this post. So theres a good chance I'm missing something easy.
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A guy who can't even tell the difference between the word "there" and "their", calling someone else "stupid as $&@#"?
Why should they, especially since Scripture says that no man knows the day nor the hour when Christ will return?
Besides, they can just come to my birthday party!!!
Did you find the wandering jew yet?
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I don't know how it is easier. The bodies in the grave will rise first, right? So all those earthly bodies laying in the dirt will rise up and meet Jesus in the air. If the cannibal is alive when the rapture takes place, then his body will have to go up to heaven, because his body is someone else's body whom the cannibal has eaten. So the cannibal will be without a body, correct? It is only when we get up into heaven that we will receive our new glorified body, right? The cannibal will have to have something to go up and meet Jesus.
If the cannibal is dead, then I don't see how the puzzle is any easier. It seems we get the same problem, "who will get what body?" If you want to say that God will create a new body for the cannibal, while the cannibal's flesh is torn off to give back to the previous alive saved people, then you have to explain that.
What if the cannibal is not saved, but those he had eaten were saved, and the cannibal is alive at the time of the rapture? The cannibal's body will have to stay here on earth, because only the saved are going to meet Jesus, but the dead in Christ will rise first, so the cannibal's body (the meat that he has absorbed throughout a lifetime of christian eating) will have to go up to heaven and be reformed into the body of whoever he had eaten, correct? So how can the cannibal stay here on earth without a body? Again if you want to say he will get a new body, you have to explain why, because that is not in the bible.
I do want to say that I may be talking out of my ass here. I haven't given it much thought, just however long it took me to type out this post. So theres a good chance I'm missing something easy.
No. Did you even read my post? I addressed everything you just brought up. The meat that the cannibal's body absorbed became his own and is no longer part of the believers that he ate. So no, the cannibal's body will not be torn apart. Where did you get that from?
The part of the believers' body that the cannibal's body did not absorb, the waste, becomes part of the earth and God will reconstruct them from the dust of the earth just like God formed Adam from the dust of the earth.
If the cannibal dies and is buried with the remains of the believer still in his stomach, then the cannibal's remains and the believer's remains become part of the earth. That's what I meant when I said all the easier. Then God reconstructs the believer's body from the dust of the earth.
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The meat that the cannibal's body absorbed became his own and is no longer part of the believers that he ate. So no, the cannibal's body will not be torn apart.
this is the part I'm concerned with^^
Isn't the rapture when first, those who once lived but are dead, are brought out of the ground, and rise up to meet Jesus in the air, then second, those who are still alive who are saved also rise up to meet Jesus in the air?. If this is true, my question is how can those dead saved christians who were eaten by the cannibal rise up to meet Jesus in the air.
I think you're saying that the dead christians bodies will not rise up out of the grave? I can see how the cannibal problem would not be a problem if you don't believe the already dead christians will be snatched out of the ground or "dust" to meet Jesus in the air.
Do I understand the rapture right?
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this is the part I'm concerned with^^
Isn't the rapture when first, those who once lived but are dead, are brought out of the ground, and rise up to meet Jesus in the air, then second, those who are still alive who are saved also rise up to meet Jesus in the air?. If this is true, my question is how can those dead saved christians who were eaten by the cannibal rise up to meet Jesus in the air.
I think you're saying that the dead christians bodies will not rise up out of the grave? I can see how the cannibal problem would not be a problem if you don't believe the already dead christians will be snatched out of the ground or "dust" to meet Jesus in the air.
Do I understand the rapture right?
This is silly, but I'll continue to play along! ;D
1. The dead in Jesus will rise first. God reconstructs from the dust of the earth the bodies of believers eaten by cannibals. The bodies are resurrected and reunited with their respective souls, raptured out of this world into Heaven and their bodies transformed.
2. The living believers, former cannibals and all, are then raptured out of this world into Heaven and their bodies transformed.
I think you got the Rapture concept correct. I just don't get why you think cannibals, organ donor recipients, etc. will be torn apart by God.
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Give these billboards credit: They don't hedge their bet.
NOAH K MURRAY/THE STAR-LEDGER
Bob James of Morristown organized a campaign to fund billboards about Judgment Day. Judgment Day is coming May 21, 2011 — not sometime this decade, not sometime this year, but precisely on May 21.
The hundreds of billboards warning unrepentant commuters of their impending doom are courtesy of a California radio station led by 89-year-old evangelist Harold Camping, who initially predicted the world would end in 1994.
In New Jersey, about 30 believers paid to erect the signs in hopes of warning and saving their neighbors, said Bob James, a Morristown electrical engineer who organized the grass-roots effort.
"Seven billion people are facing their death! What else could I do?" said James, who views the billboards as a message of hope. "When you have this information, with my love for my fellow man, I wanted to tell people."
Warnings of "end times" are cropping up all over. Along Route 15 in Rockaway Township, a handmade sign has a litany of upheaval that could double as a CNN news crawl: earthquakes, tsunamis and war.
"Pray! Pray! Get right. The signs of his coming are here," urges the anonymous prophesy.
Throw in buzz about the Mayan calendar's purported lights-out date of 2012 and it makes for jittery times.
"People love to speculate about the end of the world. It's human nature to want to know when Jesus is returning," said Barbara Rossing, author of "The Rapture Exposed" and an ordained pastor at the Lutheran School of Theology in Chicago. "But Christ specifically admonishes us, 'Don't try to figure it out.' "
She finds Camping's views to be at odds with even those described in the best-selling "Left Behind" books about the Rapture, when some Christians believe they will be swept up into heaven as those left behind endure years of war and hardship.
"He has some very strange teachings on his website," she said. "This is very odd thinking."
Many May 21 believers say the Bible contains clues that brook no argument. God tells Noah the world will end in seven days. The Bible also equates a day to 1,000 years. The date of the flood has been set at 4990 B.C., so adding 7,000 years plus one for the missing year "0" produces the year 2011.
Translating a biblical reference to a month and day, from the Hebrew calendar to the Gregorian, results in May 21.
"It's no other date. It's only that date," said Michael Garcia, special projects coordinator at Camping's Family Radio enterprise.
The gathering up of saved souls will begin, followed by five months of chaos and tribulation that will serve as a spiritual going-out-of-business sale. It will culminate with the end of the world on Oct. 21.
That is daunting to Anthony Hernandez, a 44-year-old technology worker from Chester Township who runs a monthly Bible study class in his home. Although he devotes himself to proclaiming the message of the May 21 date, he knows that doesn't guarantee his salvation.
"If I find myself here May 22, then I'll be unsaved, because all the believers will be taken," he said. Asked if that scared him, the father of seven replied, "It is scary. I don't know if my children are saved."
He's made no contingency plans for life after May 21, neither booking a summer vacation with relatives, nor stocking up on provisions.
"I've done nothing, because if I'm lost, I'm lost. It's over," he said.
Although the May 21 prediction is widely dismissed, even mocked, Camping's followers see validation in that reaction. After all, Garcia said, Noah met nothing but skepticism when building his ark.
"It probably wasn't even raining at that time," said Garcia, a 39-year-old father of six.
"What was the attitude of everybody else? They scoffed — and they died," said James, who also sees inspiration in Noah's tale. "So scoffers don't bother me."
Nor is the refusal of mainstream churches to accept their prediction any cause for doubt, for Camping's followers believe most churches are now corrupt.
Family Radio has placed about 1,000 billboards nationally. Garcia declined to disclose the cost, as well how much contributors gave in total, but he said individual donations ranged from $100 to $5,000.
End-of-the-world predictions are nothing new, said Rossing, who specializes in eschatology, or the branch of theology examining the end of the world.
Baptist preacher William Miller had thousands of followers — called Adventists — convinced the date would be Oct. 22, 1844. Many climbed on their roofs in anticipation of their imminent ascension. When that didn't happen, the day became known as the Great Disappointment.
Belief in the discovery of secret information is alluring, Rossing said.
"It's like the decoder ring you found in your cereal box," she said. "You can be the first on your block to decode the Bible."
http://www.northjersey.com/news/121324373_Signs_are_all_over_that_the_end_is_near.html
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Biblical scholar's date for rapture: May 21, 2011
Justin Berton, Chronicle Staff Writer
Harold Camping lets out a hearty chuckle when he considers the people who believe the world will end in 2012.
"That date has not one stitch of biblical authority," Camping says from the Oakland office where he runs Family Radio, an evangelical station that reaches listeners around the world. "It's like a fairy tale."
The real date for the end of times, he says, is in 2011.
The Mayans and the recent Hollywood movie "2012" have put the apocalypse in the popular mind this year, but Camping has been at this business for a long time. And while Armageddon is pop science or big-screen entertainment to many, Camping has followers from the Bay Area to China.
Camping, 88, has scrutinized the Bible for almost 70 years and says he has developed a mathematical system to interpret prophecies hidden within the Good Book. One night a few years ago, Camping, a civil engineer by trade, crunched the numbers and was stunned at what he'd found: The world will end May 21, 2011.
This is not the first time Camping has made a bold prediction about Judgment Day.
On Sept. 6, 1994, dozens of Camping's believers gathered inside Alameda's Veterans Memorial Building to await the return of Christ, an event Camping had promised for two years. Followers dressed children in their Sunday best and held Bibles open-faced toward heaven.
But the world did not end. Camping allowed that he may have made a mathematical error. He spent the next decade running new calculations, as well as overseeing a media company that has grown significantly in size and reach.
"We are now translated into 48 languages and have been transmitting into China on an AM station without getting jammed once," Camping said. "How can that happen without God's mercy?"
His office is flanked by satellite dishes in the parking lot that transmit his talk show, "Open Forum." In the Bay Area, he's heard on 610 AM, KEAR. Camping says his company owns about 55 stations in the United States alone, and that his message arrives on every continent.
I'm looking forward to it'
Employees at the Oakland office run printing presses that publish Camping's pamphlets and books, and some wear T-shirts that read, "May 21, 2011." They're happy to talk about the day they believe their souls will be retrieved by Christ.
"I'm looking forward to it," said Ted Solomon, 60, who started listening to Camping in 1997. He's worked at Family Radio since 2004, making sure international translators properly dictate Camping's sermons.
"This world may have had an attraction to me at one time," Solomon said. "But now it's definitely lost its appeal."
Camping is a frail-looking man, and his voice is low and deep, but it can rise to dramatic peaks with a preacher's flair.
As a young man, he owned an East Bay construction business but longed to work as a servant of God. So he hit the books.
"Because I was an engineer, I was very interested in the numbers," he said. "I'd wonder, 'Why did God put this number in, or that number in?' It was not a question of unbelief, it was a question of, 'There must be a reason for it.' "
Code-breaking phenomenon
Camping is not the only man to see truths in the Bible hidden in the numbers. In the late 1990s, a code-breaking phenomenon took off, led by "The Bible Code," written by former Washington Post journalist Michael Drosnin.
Drosnin developed a technique that revealed prophecies within the Bible's text. A handful of biblical scholars have supported Drosnin's theory, lending it an air of legitimacy, and just as many scholars have decried it as farce.
One of Drosnin's more well-known findings is that a meteor will strike Earth in 2012, the same year some people believe the Mayan calendar marks the end of times, and the same year the "2012" action movie surmised the Earth's crust will destabilize and kill most humans.
Meaning in numbers
By Camping's understanding, the Bible was dictated by God and every word and number carries a spiritual significance. He noticed that particular numbers appeared in the Bible at the same time particular themes are discussed.
The number 5, Camping concluded, equals "atonement." Ten is "completeness." Seventeen means "heaven." Camping patiently explained how he reached his conclusion for May 21, 2011.
"Christ hung on the cross April 1, 33 A.D.," he began. "Now go to April 1 of 2011 A.D., and that's 1,978 years."
Camping then multiplied 1,978 by 365.2422 days - the number of days in each solar year, not to be confused with a calendar year.
Next, Camping noted that April 1 to May 21 encompasses 51 days. Add 51 to the sum of previous multiplication total, and it equals 722,500.
Camping realized that (5 x 10 x 17) x (5 x 10 x 17) = 722,500.
Or put into words: (Atonement x Completeness x Heaven), squared.
"Five times 10 times 17 is telling you a story," Camping said. "It's the story from the time Christ made payment for your sins until you're completely saved.
"I tell ya, I just about fell off my chair when I realized that," Camping said.
James Kreuger, author of "Secrets of the Apocalypse - Revealed," has been studying the end of times for 40 years and is familiar with Camping's work. While Kreuger agrees that the rapture is indeed coming, he disputes Camping's method.
"For all his learning, Camping makes a classic beginner's mistake when he sets a date for Christ's return," Kreuger wrote in an e-mail. "Jesus himself said in Matthew 24:36, 'Of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my father only.' "
'It is going to happen'
Camping's believers will have none of it.
Rick LaCasse, who attended the September 1994 service in Alameda, said that 15 years later, his faith in Camping has only strengthened.
"Evidently, he was wrong," LaCasse allowed, "but this time it is going to happen. There was some doubt last time, but we didn't have any proofs. This time we do."
Would his opinion of Camping change if May 21, 2011, ended without incident?
"I can't even think like that," LaCasse said. "Everything is too positive right now. There's too little time to think like that."
And yet another manmade doomsday prophecy..........yawn.
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Why should they, especially since Scripture says that no man knows the day nor the hour when Christ will return?
Besides, they can just come to my birthday party!!!
Because they were convinced that that was the day. Oh BTW Familyradio.com is still taking donations.
http://www.familyradio.com/donations/donationform.html
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Camping goes on to say that jebus will return at 6pm on May 21. ::)
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Camping goes on to say that jebus will return at 6pm on May 21. ::)
PREPARE FOR RAPTURE MOTHAFUKKAS!!!
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Camping goes on to say that jebus will return at 6pm on May 21. ::)
eastern time?
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oh oh. that only gives me 5 days to hook up with 333386 !
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Didn't this xian fool say several years ago the world would end in 1994?
What happened back then? And what will he say on May 22nd?
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The Bible says that even Christ himself doesn't know when the Second Coming will take place, and these goofballs have somehow pinpointed it.
I'm sure the date will come and go without anything significant happening.
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Didn't this xian fool say several years ago the world would end in 1994?
What happened back then? And what will he say on May 22nd?
Happy Birthday MCWAY!!
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This looks serious I may have to resort to a bunker somewhere.
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Let's see how fuckin jacked and fuckin tan I could get
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! the protein!!!!! FFFFUUCCCKKK!!!
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This looks serious I may have to resort to a bunker somewhere.
Duck and cover under a desk, that worked in the 50's.
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Happy Birthday MCWAY!!
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Dammit people!!! Eastern or central time.
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How can we move this up I am patiently waiting.
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How can we move this up I am patiently waiting.
You could move to Tokyo :)
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You could move to Tokyo :)
LOL good call.
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looks like the Scam artists behind the message have pulled this stunt before.
Harold Camping's Failed 1994 Rapture Prediction
How many times can the world end?
Greetings, hardcore rapture party rats! We don't want to rain on your parade as you prepare to celebrate this Saturday, May 21, 2011, the date Oakland Bible maven and Family Radio President Harold Camping has picked as the end of the world. But, well, we think some management of expectations is in order here. You see, it turns out that Camping has predicted the end of the world before -- and been wrong.
That's right: Camping, an eccentric civil engineer, bet the farm back in the day on his prior prophecy that Jesus would return and bring the end of times in 1994. He even wrote an entire book on the subject: 1994? So while we know you're busy ticking off your Rapture Bucket List, you might want to reconsider your plans to tell off your boss and have lots of unprotected sex in the next 48 hours, because there's a fair chance you'll still be here on Monday.
Don't be sad. A few Biblical scholars recently graced this blog's comments section with some enlightening insights on the rapture. It's going to happen, they say -- just not on Saturday.
As the astute "ManlyMan2" pointed out:
Sorry to be the party pooper, but there is no Rapture this month ! The signs are not yet all here; most are but not all. The antiChrist has to announce himself, this will be the last event before the Rapture so that the loyal in Christ will be spared from the terrible events to follow. Some say that it is obama, and others say he is too stupid to be the devil himself, but this could a plot to appear dumb, "Dumb like a Fox" !!!
Don't worry, ManlyMan2, you're no party-pooper, and we suspect you are not Dumb like a Fox. Perhaps Dumb like a Centipede.
UP NEXT: More theological predictions from our commenters on when the world will end. Shocking stuff ahead.
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As the astute "ManlyMan2" pointed out:
Sorry to be the party pooper, but there is no Rapture this month ! The signs are not yet all here; most are but not all. The antiChrist has to announce himself, this will be the last event before the Rapture so that the loyal in Christ will be spared from the terrible events to follow. Some say that it is obama, and others say he is too stupid to be the devil himself, but this could a plot to appear dumb, "Dumb like a Fox" !!!
If you accept the Pre-Tribulational Rapture view, then no, the anti-christ does not have to announce himself first. Nothing more would need to occur first.
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If you accept the Pre-Tribulational Rapture view, then no, the anti-christ does not have to announce himself first. Nothing more would need to occur first.
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I'm packed and ready to go.. ;)
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So here we are.......... :D
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I'm having trouble figuring out what to do on my last day on earth. Ice cream? Hammock? Drive some iron? Slap an irritating person?? ???
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I'm having trouble figuring out what to do on my last day on earth. Ice cream? Hammock? Drive some iron? Slap an irritating person?? ???
I might eat some good cheese.
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Dammit people!!! Eastern or central time!!!
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Dammit people!!! Eastern or central time!!!
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At first I wondered if this guy really believed what he was saying until I watched the second video. :-\
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I might eat some good cheese.
Great idea. I gave up cheese about five years ago. Maybe I'll go to Pizza Hut and gorge myself. :D
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Great idea. I gave up cheese about five years ago. Maybe I'll go to Pizza Hut and gorge myself. :D
No cheese for 5 years :o
On your way to PH you might pick up some of this.
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No cheese for 5 years :o
On your way to PH you might pick up some of this.
Hahahaha! I found a couple places on the mainland that make pizzas with vegan cheese. Pretty good. There is a place here that I found recently, and was going to try it, but with the world coming to an end I will gorge on the real McCoy. :)
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See you all in the next life people..Nice knowing you all.
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I hope this wont effect the Nascar race tonight.
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We're still alive. Oh no!
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Hahaha. You've all been left behind.
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Sorry everyone - you still have to deal with me. :-*
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how any christian can/could believe this...........you dont know the bible :-\
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don't worry; we get another chance....postponed until October. (math error)