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(CNN) -- Danish political cartoonist Kurt Westergaard hid in a "panic room" inside his home as a man wielding an ax and knife cracked the glass in the home's front door, Danish police said Saturday.
Police said a home alarm alerted them to the scene in Aarhus at 10 p.m. Friday, and they were attacked by the suspect when they responded. Police shot the suspect.
Westergaard took his 5-year-old granddaughter into the "panic room" when he realized what was happening, Chief Superintendent Ole Madsen said.
Westergaard, who has been threatened for drawing cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, is ordinarily accompanied by bodyguards when he leaves his home, but nobody was on guard at the house Friday, the Security and Intelligence Service told CNN.
Police said Westergaard was "being taken care of" after the break-in, but wouldn't reveal his new location.
The suspect, meanwhile, appeared in court Saturday, charged with attempted assassination, the Danish Intelligence and Security Service said.
The suspect was shot in the right leg and left hand and hospitalized after the incident, police said. Video showed him appearing in court Saturday strapped onto a stretcher.
Authorities did not identify the suspect because the judge decided it would be illegal to disclose his name, said Madsen, with the East Jutland Police. Authorities said he was a 28-year-old Somali who has legal residency in Denmark and lives in Sjaelland, near Copenhagen.
The suspect was charged with the attempted assassination of Westergaard and a police officer on duty, the intelligence service said.
The judge ordered the suspect held for four weeks while the investigation proceeds.
Madsen said the man is the only suspect in the case, and he would not say whether police were investigating anyone else.
Police had no indication that an attack was being planned on Westergaard, Madsen said, though the intelligence service said the suspect had been under surveillance because of his terrorist links.
Danish intelligence officials said the suspect is connected to al-Shabaab, al Qaeda's ally in east Africa.
The incident "once again confirms the terrorist threat that is directed against Denmark and against cartoonist Kurt Westergaard, in particular," said Jakob Scharf, spokesman for the Danish Security and Intelligence Service.
Westergaard's caricature of Muhammad -- showing the prophet wearing a bomb as a turban with a lit fuse -- sparked an uproar among Muslims in early 2006 after newspapers reprinted the images months later as a matter of free speech. The cartoon was first published by the Danish newspaper Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten in September 2005.
At the time, Westergaard said he wanted his cartoon to say that some people exploited the prophet to legitimize terrorism. However, many in the Muslim world interpreted the drawing as depicting their prophet as a terrorist.
Over the years, Danish authorities have arrested other suspects who allegedly plotted against Westergaard's life.
After three such arrests in February 2008, Westergaard issued a statement, saying, "Of course I fear for my life after the Danish Security and Intelligence Service informed me of the concrete plans of certain people to kill me. However, I have turned fear into anger and indignation. It has made me angry that a perfectly normal everyday activity which I used to do by the thousand was abused to set off such madness."
Scharf said authorities have taken measures to ensure Westergaard's safety, and that the protection has "proven effective."
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/01/02/denmark.cartoonist/index.html
They give rambling hate speeches against everyone who isn't a Muslim but damned be you if you draw a cartoon of a pedophile barbarian. Sad that this guy needs a panic room. ::)
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According to Ron Paul, this guy must be a terrorist because the Danes are occupiers. ::)
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According to Ron Paul, this guy must be a terrorist because the Danes are occupiers. ::)
Of course, it's always everyone but the Muslims fault. Shame on this guy for exercising freedom of speech. Ron Paul sounded like a moron with regards to that. ::)
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The Danish police have shitty aim, or they don't shoot to kill? ???
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At a news conference in the Somali capital of Mogadishu, al-Shabaab spokesman Sheikh Ali Mohamud Rage said, "We are very happy with the Somali national who attacked the house of the Danish cartoonist who previously insulted our prophet Mohammed. This is an honor for the Somali people. We are telling that we are glad that anyone who insults Islam should be attacked wherever they are."
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Since when was drawing horrible cartoons of the number one symbol to the Muslim nation considered "freedom of speech"? Is talking about the holocaust considered that too?
He was stupid enough to take fame on the cost of the feelings of a billion people. That maniac would not be recognized by more than his family and friends if it wasn't for his "cartoons".
What the Somali did is not acceptable at all. But what was he doing from the time he broke in up until the police came?
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At a news conference in the Somali capital of Mogadishu, al-Shabaab spokesman Sheikh Ali Mohamud Rage said, "We are very happy with the Somali national who attacked the house of the Danish cartoonist who previously insulted our prophet Mohammed. This is an honor for the Somali people. We are telling that we are glad that anyone who insults Islam should be attacked wherever they are."
Ahhh...the religion of peace, lol. ::)
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I'm sorry to say that, but that shootin' fucker should've been killed on the spot.
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Since when was drawing horrible cartoons of the number one symbol to the Muslim nation considered "freedom of speech"? Is talking about the holocaust considered that too?
Yes, both fall under the purview of free speech.
But what was he doing from the time he broke in up until the police came?
What does that have to do with anything?
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Since when was drawing horrible cartoons of the number one symbol to the Muslim nation considered "freedom of speech"? Is talking about the holocaust considered that too?
He was stupid enough to take fame on the cost of the feelings of a billion people. That maniac would not be recognized by more than his family and friends if it wasn't for his "cartoons".
What the Somali did is not acceptable at all. But what was he doing from the time he broke in up until the police came?
Since when are Muslims allowed to dictate to the Danish what is and isn't allowed under free speech in Denmark? Why is it that Muslims are allowed to say whatever they want about other religions yet others should be murdered on the spot for bad mouthing Islam?
Who knows what he was doing from the time he broke in until the police got there. The guy was in his panic room.
It's sad that this guy can't leave his house now without bodyguards because of the active threats on his life.
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Since when was drawing horrible cartoons of the number one symbol to the Muslim nation considered "freedom of speech"? Is talking about the holocaust considered that too?
He was stupid enough to take fame on the cost of the feelings of a billion people. That maniac would not be recognized by more than his family and friends if it wasn't for his "cartoons".
What the Somali did is not acceptable at all. But what was he doing from the time he broke in up until the police came?
Now that people's "feelings" are hurt they are justified to kill him?
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Yes, both fall under the purview of free speech.
Hmm. let's see you try to deny or even question the incident. On public that is... Does David Irving ring a bell?
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Since when are Muslims allowed to dictate to the Danish what is and isn't allowed under free speech in Denmark? Why is it that Muslims are allowed to say whatever they want about other religions yet others should be murdered on the spot for bad mouthing Islam?
It's sad that this guy can't leave his house now without bodyguards because of the active threats on his life.
Muslims have never said anything bad about any other religion. In fact, Christianity and Judaism are protected under the Islamic teachings. We are not allowed to make fun of the religion or it's symbols as we consider those symbols to be prophets too.
It's even more sadder that the guy reached fame and hit the jackpot by making fun of prophet Mohammed. He knew what was coming.
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Now that people's "feelings" are hurt they are justified to kill him?
It's not about feelings. If those people decided to even worship this man, why would anyone think it's OK to go and mock him in the most disgusting way? This man happens to mean alot to them.
No, it's not justified. But instead, they consider him a local hero and the others respect his efforts of taking freedom of speech to the next level.
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It's not about feelings. If those people decided to even worship this man, why would anyone think it's OK to go and mock him in the most disgusting way? This man happens to mean alot to them.
No, it's not justified. But instead, they consider him a local hero and the others respect his efforts of taking freedom of speech to the next level.
Again, so what? It's NOT ok to try an kill someone because they insulted your deity or messenger. The FOCUS needs to be on those who would kill another human being for expressing their feelings on a subject. Those are the 13th century nut jobs who need to progress to the 21st century.
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Muslims have never said anything bad about any other religion. In fact, Christianity and Judaism are protected under the Islamic teachings. We are not allowed to make fun of the religion or it's symbols as we consider those symbols to be prophets too.
It's even more sadder that the guy reached fame and hit the jackpot by making fun of prophet Mohammed. He knew what was coming.
See, now that's just bullshit and typical of the lies Muslims tell each other to reassure themselves that their stone age thinking is ok. I can dig up thousands of youtube videos where radical clerics are preaching death and destruction of Christians and Jews.
There were millions of Muslims across the world rallying and calling for this guy's death. There have been active threats on his life for years now. He can't even leave his house without body guards.
What's funny is that you seem to be more concerned with the fact that he drew these cartoons than you are with the fact that there a large number of Muslims who would have no problem chopping this guy's head off.
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Muslims have never said anything bad about any other religion.
That's the biggest line of shit around. And the typical response that we get back seems to always be, "Well, those people aren't real Muslims. ::)
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What's funny is that you seem to be more concerned with the fact that he drew these cartoons than you are with the fact that there a large number of Muslims who would have no problem chopping this guy's head off.
Yes, the cartoons hurt me and I'm not in anyway happy about the situation. He knew what was coming. My sympathy is the least of his concerns.
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That's the biggest line of shit around. And the typical response that we get back seems to always be, "Well, those people aren't real Muslims. ::)
I'm talking about government endorsed mocking. Any person can go on youtube and make fun of whoever and whatever he wants. (god forbid he mentions the holocaust or the gates of hell will be opened and youtube will ban his ass). Those Danish creeps have endorsed the man and publically expressed their full support (government and people). Show me one incident where an Islamic figure has done something similar.
The teachings of Islam clearly condemn those who do so. How is this too hard for you to understand that a guy that happens to be Muslim does not necessarily follow or represent the religion. A man can rob me and i can either label his as a thief or a Christian/Jew/Muslim. It only reflects my brain power and my ability to differentiate.
Keep rolling your eyes.
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Again, so what? It's NOT ok to try an kill someone because they insulted your deity or messenger. The FOCUS needs to be on those who would kill another human being for expressing their feelings on a subject. Those are the 13th century nut jobs who need to progress to the 21st century.
Agreed. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Yes, the cartoons hurt me and I'm not in anyway happy about the situation. He knew what was coming. My sympathy is the least of his concerns.
Spoken like a true Muslim. I'm guessing you have no problem with the clerics (those who know the Koran better than anyone) calling for the deaths of Christians and Jews as well?
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Spoken like a true Muslim. I'm guessing you have no problem with the clerics (those who know the Koran better than anyone) calling for the deaths of Christians and Jews as well?
I don't need anyone to make me do anything. I have the Quran, and it clearly states that i don't need to harm anyone(whatever he/she is) unless they attack my country or come for my money or honor.
Clerics divide into many ways of explaining or even coming up with facts about the Quran or Sunnah. I follow the basic rules and they do not by anyway interfere with my happiness and logic.
Saudi Arabia is the strictest Islamic country in the world, who happens to be Sunni and follow the logical ways of Islam also happens to be the biggest ally of America in the region. No where have i heard anything coming from a government official that makes me hate or even think lowly of anyone else.
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I don't need anyone to make me do anything. I have the Quran, and it clearly states that i don't need to harm anyone(whatever he/she is) unless they attack my country or come for my money or honor.
Clerics divide into many ways of explaining or even coming up with facts about the Quran or Sunnah. I follow the basic rules and they do not by anyway interfere with my happiness and logic.
Saudi Arabia is the strictest Islamic country in the world, who happens to be Sunni and follow the logical ways of Islam also happens to be the biggest ally of America in the region. No where have i heard anything coming from a government official that makes me hate or even think lowly of anyone else.
Yet you have zero qualms with radical clerics preaching hate and trying to rally people into killing Christians and Jews. However, you want to see a cartoonist beheaded. Love the Muslim logic. ::)
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Yet you have zero qualms with radical clerics preaching hate and trying to rally people into killing Christians and Jews. However, you want to see a cartoonist beheaded. Love the Muslim logic. ::)
Oh brother. Radical clerics will say what they want, only those who are naive enough to follow them will obviously do. After all, they are called radical for a reason.
I never wished to see him beheaded. I've stated the two wrongs don't make a right! You either have a problem understanding or you just want to believe what you want to believe. Stop putting words in my mouth.
And keep rolling your eyes.
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Oh brother. Radical clerics will say what they want, only those who are naive enough to follow them will obviously do. After all, they are called radical for a reason.
I never wished to see him beheaded. I've stated the two wrongs don't make a right! You either have a problem understanding or you just want to believe what you want to believe. Stop putting words in my mouth.
And keep rolling your eyes.
What was the Jewish response to Ahmadinijad denying the Holocaust?
How many embassies were damaged?
What was the total property damage?
Who was threatened and who was attacked?
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Oh brother. Radical clerics will say what they want, only those who are naive enough to follow them will obviously do. After all, they are called radical for a reason.
I never wished to see him beheaded. I've stated the two wrongs don't make a right! You either have a problem understanding or you just want to believe what you want to believe. Stop putting words in my mouth.
And keep rolling your eyes.
I'm surprised you don't have more problems with radical clerics. It seems your attitude is they will do what they do.
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Is it just me, ...or does anyone else think it wierd that the attacker would mutter in broken English?
I would think he would have addressed him in Danish. ...or if not Danish, his mother tongue, no? Why English?
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Is it just me, ...or does anyone else think it wierd that the attacker would mutter in broken English?
I would think he would have addressed him in Danish. ...or if not Danish, his mother tongue, no? Why English?
According to the radicals its the international language of satan?
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According to the radicals its the international language of satan?
I've heard Bush speak, ...it sounded like a whole other language. It didn't sound like English at all. :D
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Is it just me, ...or does anyone else think it wierd that the attacker would mutter in broken English?
I would think he would have addressed him in Danish. ...or if not Danish, his mother tongue, no? Why English?
Most Danish speak near fluent English. I'm guessing the Muslim terrorist had a grasp of the language.
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I've heard Bush speak, ...it sounded like a whole other language. It didn't sound like English at all. :D
"I am the decider...."
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Most Danish speak near fluent English. I'm guessing the Muslim terrorist had a grasp of the language.
However one would assume ALL Danes speak Danish. I wonder why a guy in Denmark, speaker to a Dane would not speak Danish. It just seems odd to me. Kind of like signs in certain foreign countries written in English. For whose benefit are those?
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However one would assume ALL Danes speak Danish. I wonder why a guy in Denmark, speaker to a Dane would not speak Danish. It just seems odd to me. Kind of like signs in certain foreign countries written in English. For whose benefit are those?
Probably because someone coming Somalia would be more familiar with English than Dutch before they got there.
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According to Ron Paul, this guy must be a terrorist because the Danes are occupiers. ::)
You are way more intelligent than that.
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You are way more intelligent than that.
Why cat we just set a time and place for all these islamonazis who want go to llah for their vigins and we just nuke these freaks?
It will save money, time, lives, and headaches.
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...and of course we'd be able to contain the subsequent radiation, suspending air currents, and keep it from contaminating the entire planet. ::)
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...and of course we'd be able to contain the subsequent radiation, suspending air currents, and keep it from contaminating the entire planet. ::)
Good point.
This is why we should use chemical and biological weapons.
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What was the Jewish response to Ahmadinijad denying the Holocaust?
How many embassies were damaged?
What was the total property damage?
Who was threatened and who was attacked?
What happened to the man i previously mentioned when he questioned the holocaust?
JAILED!
What happened to the "man" that drew the cartoons?
Filthy rich, famous and under full protection.
Freedom of speech only exists in your head.
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I'm surprised you don't have more problems with radical clerics. It seems your attitude is they will do what they do.
I do have a problem with them. After all, they're the ones who damaged Islams reputation so badly, and brainwashed people to do what they shouldn't do. An average Joe won't go out of his way to investigate what is happening, and will never try to understand the true motives behind what is happening. I'm not the one to blame them though, It's what the media chooses to show or hide.
It's just that those clerics are no longer exist in my country. Most are in Iraq now, thanks to the American invasion that gave the opportunity to every maniac to go and settle in Iraq. The rest are in either Afghanistan or other poor African countries.
Radical Islamists are fueled by decisions such as that horrible one of invading Iraq. They will continue to do what they're doing as long as America is doing what it's doing.
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Aren't you in Saudi Arabia?
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I do have a problem with them. After all, they're the ones who damaged Islams reputation so badly, and brainwashed people to do what they shouldn't do. An average Joe won't go out of his way to investigate what is happening, and will never try to understand the true motives behind what is happening. I'm not the one to blame them though, It's what the media chooses to show or hide.
It's just that those clerics are no longer exist in my country. Most are in Iraq now, thanks to the American invasion that gave the opportunity to every maniac to go and settle in Iraq. The rest are in either Afghanistan or other poor African countries.
Radical Islamists are fueled by decisions such as that horrible one of invading Iraq. They will continue to do what they're doing as long as America is doing what it's doing.
rightttttt ::) b/c they dont move into other cultures and expect those cultures to adhere and make exceptions for them...
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I'm sorry to say that, but that shootin' fucker should've been killed on the spot.
Totally disagree. If we do that we're lowering ourselves to their level.
Sending him back to Somalia after a few years in prison and a lifetime ban on returning to the EU is a better sentence. The last thing we need are martyrs.
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Totally disagree. If we do that we're lowering ourselves to their level.
Sending him back to Somalia after a few years in prison and a lifetime ban on returning to the EU is a better sentence. The last thing we need are martyrs.
Oh lord you people never learn do you?
Somalia will release this savage beast for him to attack again, just like Yemen did to the cole bombers.
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What happened to the man i previously mentioned when he questioned the holocaust?
JAILED!
What happened to the "man" that drew the cartoons?
Filthy rich, famous and under full protection.
Freedom of speech only exists in your head.
You're intentionally being misleading. You're talking about laws in 2 different countries and trying to act as though the outcome should be the same.
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Muslims have never said anything bad about any other religion. In fact, Christianity and Judaism are protected under the Islamic teachings. We are not allowed to make fun of the religion or it's symbols as we consider those symbols to be prophets too.
It's even more sadder that the guy reached fame and hit the jackpot by making fun of prophet Mohammed. He knew what was coming.
Are you fucking serious, or just retarded? Middle Eastern television networks openly televise and encourage youngsters to murder Christians and Jews during children's shows. Are you the only Muslim who is aware of these "protections"... Apparently nobody else in the Islamic world knows the scriptures as well as you do. ::)
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Totally disagree. If we do that we're lowering ourselves to their level.
Sending him back to Somalia after a few years in prison and a lifetime ban on returning to the EU is a better sentence. The last thing we need are martyrs.
I disagree Hedge--- The only good Muslim fanatic is a dead one. Case closed. As we have seen, releasing them back into society only emboldens them, allows them to spread their psychosis further and puts the rest of the world in imminent danger.
For anyone who has seen the movie- Body of Lies, there are many excellent lines from the film that relate to todays world very accurately. One such line is something said by the main terrorist Leo DiCaprio is trying to capture- Sheik something or other. He says that there will never be a shortage of martyrs; There is enough poverty, bitterness, despair and revenge to always have an endless supply of martyrs.
Martyrs are dead. Keeping them alive is a lose- lose situation any way you want to cut it.
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Oh lord you people never learn do you?
Somalia will release this savage beast for him to attack again, just like Yemen did to the cole bombers.
You mean just like the USA did with the Yemenis at Guantanamo? Good pont.
Try him for attempted murder, and lock his ass up right there in Denmark.
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It's funny that the USA is now getting chastised for releasing terrorists. First it was that it was a problem to keep them at Guantanamo and now it's our fault that they went right back to their terrorist ways. So which is it?
Kind of shows that the theory that these people were innocent and wrongly imprisoned is bullshit. Liberals seem to be ignoring that, though.
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It's funny that the USA is now getting chastised for releasing terrorists. First it was that it was a problem to keep them at Guantanamo and now it's our fault that they went right back to their terrorist ways. So which is it?
Kind of shows that the theory that these people were innocent and wrongly imprisoned is bullshit. Liberals seem to be ignoring that, though.
There's a big difference between arresting some goat herder in the wrong place at the wrong time turned over to soldiers for $1,000 bucks a head, and holding him indefinately without a trial, without ascertaining his guilt or innocence, ...and trying and convicting a man trespassing on private property with the expressed intent to commit murder.
The guy arrested in Denmark wasn't a terrorist, ...he was a wouldbe murderer, caught in the act of attempting a crime. Big difference.
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Ummm
ok-- So every single AQ operative captured should receive a criminal trial now?
Do you realize how fucking stupid you are, or are you just completely oblivious?
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There's a big difference between arresting some goat herder in the wrong place at the wrong time turned over to soldiers for $1,000 bucks a head, and holding him indefinately without a trial, without ascertaining his guilt or innocence, ...and trying and convicting a man trespassing on private property with the expressed intent to commit murder.
The guy arrested in Denmark wasn't a terrorist, ...he was a wouldbe murderer, caught in the act of attempting a crime. Big difference.
No, he was a terrorist. He was trying to suppress free speech through violence and terror. By killing that guy he would have been sending a message that anyone saying/drawing/creating negative about muhammed would be at risk of being murdered.
To help you out.
Terrorism
–noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
You're apologist rhetoric is hilarious.
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OK. I see your point. I was thinking in a much narrower sense, ...but you're right.
The pronouncement of a fatwa is a form of terrorism against an individual.
Therefore it stands to reason anyone attempting to carry it out could rightfully be considered a terrorist.