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All time greatest @ all time best and biggest.. Never to be repeated.
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Don't you know anything, clearly at his all-time best this 257lb man with inferior glute and ham conditioning would trounce Coleman with his "technically equally good arms", "as good or better quads", etc.
Now I'm not dissing Dorian, he has the graininess in his favour, and obviously conditioning is VERY important, but Ronnie is seriously ripped too, striated glutes/hams, vascular as hell etc. So come on chaps, Dorian would be a very good 2nd to that behemouth beside him if the two ever stood side-by-side!
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Big and soft
Dorian was light years ahead in conditioning
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Ronnie was Unbelievably Massive and then some @ the 2003 Olympia, however his best MR Olympia Shape IMO would be his Smaller (245-250lbs) but incredible Physique he brought for his first win in 1998 (just take a look @ his back shots @ that show :o :o :o), on that night he had it all... size,shape,conditioning,vascularity etc etc...That package IMO would be the most dangerous to a Prime Yates because of his outstanding TOTAL CONDITIONING and shape not his Awesome size and cuts he brought to the table in 2003
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A 2003 Ronnie definitely would outsize Dorian. However, I think Dorian in 1995 would be competitive given his better thickness than 1993 and equal conditioning. It would be close...
I mean watch this Google vid. Dorian is so much bigger, better conditioned, and complete that it isn't even close. 2003 wasn't close either....Ronnie destroyed everyone.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5049884837576382067#
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hge torso..
but arms??? :'(
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no way could a one armed dorian ever beat a decent shape ronnie
95 was post tear, and his arm looked awful.
you can't have that kind of injury and except to beat ronnie as he appeared in 2003. no way.
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why does no one mention that dorians upper pecs were bad compared to his lower, even in the front double bi you can see it.
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Ronnie was Unbelievably Massive and then some @ the 2003 Olympia, however his best MR Olympia Shape IMO would be his Smaller (245-250lbs) but incredible Physique he brought for his first win in 1998 (just take a look @ his back shots @ that show :o :o :o), on that night he had it all... size,shape,conditioning,vascularity etc etc...That package IMO would be the most dangerous to a Prime Yates because of his outstanding TOTAL CONDITIONING and shape not his Awesome size and cuts he brought to the table in 2003
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313205.0;attach=353449;image)
I could be wrong but I think this pic was from the 2001 Mr O. This is the best Ronnie I've seen, even better than Dorian at his best. Too bad he became heavier the years after.
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I could be wrong but I think this pic was from the 2001 Mr O. This is the best Ronnie I've seen, even better than Dorian at his best. Too bad he became heavier the years after.
nah, he was big and soft at the 01 Olympia
He almost lost to Jay Cutler remember
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nah, he was big and soft at the 01 Olympia
He almost lost to Jay Cutler remember
In that case, my bad :)
Sad to notice that he started at his very best during his 1th victory :-\
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Don't you know anything, clearly at his all-time best this 257lb man with inferior glute and ham conditioning would trounce Coleman with his "technically equally good arms", "as good or better quads", etc.
Now I'm not dissing Dorian, he has the graininess in his favour, and obviously conditioning is VERY important, but Ronnie is seriously ripped too, striated glutes/hams, vascular as hell etc. So come on chaps, Dorian would be a very good 2nd to that behemouth beside him if the two ever stood side-by-side!
I gota be honest with you...Ronnie 2003 is awesome from a muscular development perpective, but from the point of view of bodybuilding he looks atrcious compared to 93' Dorian. Not only is he softer and showing less definition everywhere except on the arms with inferior balance and symmetry, but he should lose by default due to his massive distended gut. The ideal male physique(Mr.Olympia) shouldn't look like a nine month pregnant woman.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I keep hearing talk about 03 Ronnie's gut, but show me one pic from the judges' point of view of Ronnie with a distended stomach during the mandatory poses. His midsection looked pretty flat to me.
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but he should lose by default due to his massive distended gut.
you do realize that dorian 93 had a massive distended gut too?
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most dominating physique on contest day ever 8)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman1.jpg)
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it still amazes me how much size ronnie put on from 2002 to 2003: :o
his arms look about 3 inches bigger: :o
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it still amazes me how much size ronnie put on from 2002 to 2003: :o
his arms look about 3 inches bigger: :o
But also lost conditioning and ab control.
(almost) congrats with your 20,000th post ;)
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20,000 Lights Out Baby! ;D
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I gota be honest with you...Ronnie 2003 is awesome from a muscular development perpective, but from the point of view of bodybuilding he looks atrcious compared to 93' Dorian. Not only is he softer and showing less definition everywhere except on the arms with inferior balance and symmetry, but he should lose by default due to his massive distended gut. The ideal male physique(Mr.Olympia) shouldn't look like a nine month pregnant woman.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Well Yates is no Paris, his arms do throw off his balance a little, and his quads don't match his upper body for mass. But would Paris beat Yates on a stage in competition? I'm guessing no. And in the 2003 pre-judging is Coleman's gut actually visible? He's not hitting vacuum shots or anything, but if we dispose of preconceptions and mental images of Ronnie's gut at it's worst, in the video posted above he looks great.
I think Ronnie has a bigger, more defined chest, arms, delts, quads, hams, glutes. Lats is close, but Coleman's are bigger if nothing else. Calves obviously Yates. Conditioning Yates, but this is still bodyBUILDING, and for the same reasons Arnold beat Zane, Haney beat Labrada et al, Dorian would look like a well conditioned NPC competitor next to Ronnie's extra 30lb. I don't think Dorian is 30lb DRYER than Ronnie, if you see what I mean, so I think Ronnie's superior size everywhere would count for a lot. Other mass monsters like Nasser and Dillet had massive weaknesses in their backs, but this is Ronnie Coleman, he wouldn't hemorrhage points in that department like those others.
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20,000 Lights Out Baby! ;D
You made it :D
Ronnie ownes Dorian size & shape wise, with the exception for graininess and calves
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most dominating physique on contest day ever 8)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/Seminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman1.jog)
I rather look like this
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Well Yates is no Paris, his arms do throw off his balance a little, and his quads don't match his upper body for mass. But would Paris beat Yates on a stage in competition? I'm guessing no. And in the 2003 pre-judging is Coleman's gut actually visible? He's not hitting vacuum shots or anything, but if we dispose of preconceptions and mental images of Ronnie's gut at it's worst, in the video posted above he looks great.
exactly, Ronnie kept his midsection in check when he was being judged and that's all that matters - not how he looked offstage or from the corner of the stage - but in front of the judges.
although no stomach vacuum, his midsection looks pretty flat to me
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman85.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman55.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman115.jpg)
I think Ronnie has a bigger, more defined chest, arms, delts, quads, hams, glutes. Lats is close, but Coleman's are bigger if nothing else. Calves obviously Yates. Conditioning Yates, but this is still bodyBUILDING, and for the same reasons Arnold beat Zane, Haney beat Labrada et al, Dorian would look like a well conditioned NPC competitor next to Ronnie's extra 30lb. I don't think Dorian is 30lb DRYER than Ronnie, if you see what I mean, so I think Ronnie's superior size everywhere would count for a lot. Other mass monsters like Nasser and Dillet had massive weaknesses in their backs, but this is Ronnie Coleman, he wouldn't hemorrhage points in that department like those others.
agreed, the difference in mass > the difference in conditioning. Cutler at 5'9" and 250 lbs looked like an amateur next to 03 Ronnie. There's no reason to think a 5'10" Dorian at 257 lbs would bridge the noticeable size gap. Remember, Dorian had better conditioning than Jay which means he would actually carry less volume per cubic inch (i.e. 250 lbs @ 4% bf would be comparable in size to 257 lbs @ 3% bf)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/2003Mr.OlympiaRonnieandJay2.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/2003Mr.OlympiaMuscularityRound2.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/2003Mr.OlympiaPrejudging8ab.jpg)
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you do realize that dorian 93 had a massive distended gut too?
No, he didn't. He had a thick waist due to genetically wide hips. Two different things.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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No, he didn't. He had a thick wais due to genetically wide hips. Two different things.
the visuals say otherwise. So it's either both had guts or none had guts.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates-FatCow6.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates-FatCow5.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates-FatCow4.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates-FatCow3.jpg)
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I keep hearing talk about 03 Ronnie's gut, but show me one pic from the judges' point of view of Ronnie with a distended stomach during the mandatory poses. His midsection looked pretty flat to me.
Seminole, there might or might not be pictures of Ronnie from the judges' viewing perpective that shows Ronnie with a gut, but this is besides the point. A Mr.Olympia shouldn't have to hold his gut to make his stomach look flat: his stomach should be flat even when he's completely relaxed. A fat man can also get a flat stomach by creating a vacuum with his breath and contracting his rectus abdominis muscles, but he's still obese notwithstanding. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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the visuals say otherwise. So it's either both had guts or none had guts.
Dorian had a slight gut distension at the 95' Olympia but not at the 93' Olympia. Everyone has a small degree of concavity to the adbominal region when relaxed and Dorian was within the normal range.
He should have been marked down for his gut distension at the 95' Olympia and maybe not have won with straight-firsts scores, but in no way, shape or form can you compare his gut distension in 95' to Ronnie's at the 2003 Olympia.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Seminole, there might or might not be pictures of Ronnie from the judges' viewing perpective that shows Ronnie with a gut, but this is besides the point. A Mr.Olympia shouldn't have to hold his gut to make his stomach look flat: his stomach should be flat even when he's completely relaxed. A fat man can also get a flat stomach by creating a vacuum with his breath and contracting his rectus abdominis muscles, but he's still obese notwithstanding.
following your rationale, Dorian should not have been Mr. Olympia.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates-FatCow15.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates-FatCow13.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates-FatCow12.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates-FatCow11.jpg)
I'd rather not post these pics but the reason I'm doing so is to show that Dorian had a gut too. So either you penalize both Ronnie and Dorian for having guts or you don't penalize them at all. It's unfair to say Ronnie had a distended midsection and overlook Dorian's.
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Dorian at his best would crush ronnie. First off ronnie would NOT make him look small thus you immed look for who is in better shape-dorian- who has a more complete body-dorian-who poses better? DORIAN! Look at the posing- dorian is fluid and makes sure you know how complete he is- ronnie is like "you want another double bi? look at mah arms! look at mah arms again! howz bout my back? ARMS AGAIN!!!!!!" Ronnies posing is weak because he has hella flaws-hams and calves, distended (horribly) midsection. MORE FRONT AND BACK DOUBLE BICEPS SHOTS BOOOOM OH YA BABY!!!!! Ronnie was in no way complete and he obv knew it. He was just bigger than everyone else and had a lot of hype. Dorian would win by a country mile.
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following your rationale, Dorian should not have been Mr. Olympia.
I'd rather not post these pics but the reason I'm doing so is to show that Dorian had a gut too. So either you penalize both Ronnie and Dorian for having guts or you don't penalize them at all. It's unfair to say Ronnie had a distended midsection and overlook Dorian's.
He should have perhaps been marked down for it and not have won with straight-firsts scores, but you can't compare his gut distension to the one Ronnie was sporting at the 2003 Olympia. Dorian's abdominal convexity was still within the normal range for healthy Humans; Ronnie's at the 2003 Olympia was not.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Seminole, there might or might not be pictures of Ronnie from the judges' viewing perpective that shows Ronnie with a gut, but this is besides the point. A Mr.Olympia shouldn't have to hold his gut to make his stomach look flat: his stomach should be flat even when he's completely relaxed. A fat man can also get a flat stomach by creating a vacuum with his breath and contracting his rectus abdominis muscles, but he's still obese notwithstanding. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I know this isn't addressed to me, but just so we all know what we're arguing about, wasn't the pro Ronnie argument simply that he would win against Dorian in the eyes of the judges on a stage. We all have personal preferences, there's more aesthetic guys than both of them, but I think the Ronnie camp is simply postulating as objectively as possible the reasons why Ronnie would do better in a modern bodybuilding contest.
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Dorian had a slight gut distension at the 95' Olympia but not at the 93' Olympia. Everyone has a small degree of concavity to the adbominal region when relaxed and Dorian was within the normal range.
that's not what you said earlier:
A Mr.Olympia shouldn't have to hold his gut to make his stomach look flat: his stomach should be flat even when he's completely relaxed.
do you think Dorian deserved to be Mr. Olympia in 94, 95, 96, and 97 with his distended midsection?
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while it is true that ronnie in 03 had a much bigger gut than dorian 93, he was also 30 pounds heavier with arms and quads considerably larger.
I mean, if gunter's arms are dwarfed by an 03 Ronnie, can you imagine how small dorian's would have looked in a side by side comparison?
it would have been laughable.
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that's not what you said earlier:
do you think Dorian deserved to be Mr. Olympia in 94, 95, 96, and 97 with his distended midsection?
Dorian's abdominal distension is still within the normal range, so he can be Mr.Olympia but should be penalized for it by losing points. The same can be said for Ronnie in 1999. Conversely, Ronnie's distension in 2003 is beyond acceptable, so he didn't deserve to be Mr.Olympia that year. So there is no contradiction in my statements. If you read carefully what I wrote, you'll see that I stated that:"A man shouldn't be Mr.Olympia if he looks like a 9 month pregnant woman.". Did Ronnie's gut in 2003 qualify as that big? Yes. Dorian's in 95'? No.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I dont give a SHIT if Ronnies as grainy as Dorian. That man right there in 2003 would wipe any other bodybuilder off the face of the earth. Watching that made me want to go lift.
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The lighting in 2003 was awful, they all looked crap compared to the previous year. Lighting is a big factor.
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no way could a one armed dorian ever beat a decent shape ronnie
95 was post tear, and his arm looked awful.
you can't have that kind of injury and except to beat ronnie as he appeared in 2003. no way.
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Dorian's abdominal distension is still within the normal range, so he can be Mr.Olympia but should be penalized for it by losing points. The same can be said for Ronnie in 1999. Conversely, Ronnie's distension in 2003 is beyond acceptable, so he didn't deserve to be Mr.Olympia that year. So there is no contradiction in my statements. If you read carefully what I wrote, you'll see that I stated that:"A man shouldn't be Mr.Olympia if he looks like a 9 month pregnant woman.". Did Ronnie's gut in 2003 qualify as that big? Yes. Dorian's in 95'? No.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
what is wrong with you? seriously? acceptable limits? like wtf, are you just making up stuff to form an argument, where are these acceptable limits, and why is dorian inside those limits and ronnie is not?
you contradicted yourself in two posts, saying that the stomachs have to be flat, then when that is rebutted you make up some guideline that suits your purpose. pure drivel.
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retarded stuff like this is common with the nuthuggers.
you have to make shit up in order to come up with an argument that a physique clearly far below ronnie's is actually better.
thats the only way you can ratationalize it- to make up stuff that isn't true and use this as the basis for your argument.. ::)
thats why they fail so miserably.
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retarded stuff like this is common with the nuthuggers.
you have to make shit up in order to come up with an argument that a physique clearly far below ronnie's is actually better.
thats the only way you can ratationalize it- to make up stuff that isn't true and use this as the basis for your argument.. ::)
thats why they fail so miserably.
A. Your still retarded.
B. We don't condone Suckys posts.