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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: SomeKindofMonster on January 04, 2010, 12:06:11 AM
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I was heading out of town for a long drive (ride) so I grabbed
a dozen older BB mags stored away in the garage.
I found some interesting info concerning the Dorian vs. Ronnie
debate that seems to be popular around here.
My personal opinion is that Ronnie at his best has the better physique.
Dorian presented what he had much better than Ronnie which in a close call
might give the decision to Dorian. ???
1. In 1998 Ronnie said if Dorian had competed he (Yates) would have won.
(After the 1999 Mr. Olympia he was asked who would win now...
RC: That's kinda hard to say' cause Dorian, when he won took the sport to a new level.
My bodybuilding didn't allow me to win at that time. I went to a different level just as he did.
You can't really compare. It's like trying to compare a 1965 car to a 2000. You know, the technology they had back then was different.
Musclemag Int. # 244 Pg. 99
2. This one was surprising to me because it was from Peter McGough.
From his review of the 1997 Mr. Olympia in Flex Magazine.
Although he describes Yates as chiseled and cut with lats that had a little more sweep than previously; and described Coleman's condition as blurred...
he goes on to say that Coleman had the best back double biceps of the show, with rhomboids fighting with his lats, teres major and traps for tenancy rights.
3. I remembered vaguely that Arnold had said some negative remarks about Yates physique but didn't realize Haney felt the way he did until I read an interview over the holidays from MMI # 191
(Lee: I'm saying the man holding the Mr. Olympia title is not what bodybuilding should look like, period!
That is not bodybuilding. Bodybuilding is a nice tapering waist, it's cross-striations, it's completeness of the physique....it's a beautiful body. I don't see it in his physique. When the guy's standing there doing a lat spread, you don't see seperation in the thighs or cross-striations in the chest. You see a round, blocky waist. Tody's criteria seem to favor the powerlifter's phisique. I mean, c'mon!
How about biceps? How do you win a Mr. Olympia with a torn biceps? If a piece of my ear had been missing I wouldn't have won.
The interview is too long to include all he said about Yates but I think his comments were mainly about Lee's perception of Dorian 1996-97.
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McGough and Yates are good friends and fellow countrymen. he has said some pretty stupid things in the past regarding dorian and ronnie, like that dorian precontest was harder than ronnie ever was on contest day ( ::)), and took shots against Ronnie 2003 in Flex mag..
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The biggest bias McGough ever did was basically insinuate Ronnie going from 245 to 283 in 2002-3 was all drugs yet Dorian going from 242-257 in 1992-3 was because he worked harder. It's amazing no-one understands Ronnie was almost that size the year before and just grossly overdieted because everyone was telling him to be 248 like he was in 1998.
I remember that Haney interview (with Lori Grannis who was very anti-pro bodybuilding and led Haney into those remarks) and Haney was great in his day but to beat guys like Nasser/Levrone/Ray/Flex he would have had to get significantly bigger and who knows what else might have happened to his physique? Dorian's stomach was due to the tri tear hurting his final training and carb up IMO.
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BOOM BAAM BING!
(http://i47.tinypic.com/280tyd2.jpg)
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that was like 3 years ago.
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that was like 3 years ago.
Yes I know?
best EVER.
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that was like 3 years ago.
more like 5-6 years ago.
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There is no doubt that Mcgoughs comments re the Dorian/Ronnie debate are somewhat skewed by Mcgough's friendship with Yates.
It is Mcgough who feels he ''Discovered'' Yates competing in his first show at Morcombe in the North West of England and consequently has never said a bad word about yates.
I am a fan of both Dorian and Ronnie. I personally prefer Yates Physique however i do conceed that if they both met at their best Ronnie would prob win. That said - it would be close!
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more like 5-6 years ago.
IMO during his first 'O victory in '98, the years after he lost conditioning
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that was like 3 years ago.
And all the Dorian and Nasser pics are like from 15 years ago. Your point is???
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BOOM BAAM BING!
(http://i47.tinypic.com/280tyd2.jpg)
Ronnie made everyone he stood next to look tiny. lol
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman123-1.jpg)
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more like 5-6 years ago.
the pic is from the 2006 Mr Olympia where Ronnie was dethroned