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ESPN Analyst Teddy Atlas Exposes Manny Pacquiao. Says Emails Were Sent From Pacquiao Camp To Mayweather Asking What The Penalty Would Be If Pac Man Tested Positive For Steroids!
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I think we finally have our answer for why there probably won't be a Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Manny Pacquiao fight.
ESPN boxing analyst and former trainer Teddy Atlas has learned of explosive private emails sent from the Pacquiao Camp to the camp of Mayweather Jr.
According to Atlas, who is very highly thought of in the boxing world, Manny's people wanted to know what kind of penalty he would face if he tested positive for a banned substance. And could those results be kept confidential for the benefit of boxing.
He also brings up a very good point. Asking if Manny is clean and has nothing to hide why would he walk away from a $30 million dollar payday?
Fast forward to the 9 minute mark to hear Atlas expose Pacquiao.
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You call that exposing? "My guy who knows this guy told me that this other guy told him something about this guy who saw some e-mails"
That isn't reporting, it's speculation, simple.
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He's already set up to fight Clottey at Cowboys stadium, there isn't going to be a fight.
And honestly, do you think Bob Arum and Freddie Roach are dumb enough to think that if Manny failed a test they wouldn't make it public if they asked nicely?
I know a guy who is a close friend of a guy who thinks this post sucks.
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god im tired of sporting events being hosted at cowboys stadium
i mean, c'mon, college football, pro football, basketball, freakin ice hockey, and now boxing...
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Just looking at Manny now at this age compared to prior years when he was younger, it looks like he juiced. He looks better than Vargas did before he was exposed.
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Absolute bullshit i picked Mayweather to win the fight, but my opinions the same as Arums Floyd doesnt want to fight anyone who is capable of beating him, Manny is capable. Mannys fighting Clottley in his next fight, a very dangerous opponent who should have been given the decision against Cotto last time out, that was more boxing bollocks. Mosley and Berto are fighting so whos Floyd going to fight, i thought the same about Roy Jones in his prime outstanding talent but avoided a lot of guys he could beat at his best, then fought them when he ran out of cash and was past his best and got whiped, same will happen to Mayweather.
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Boxing never seems to give fans the fights everyone Wants to see?
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Yeah, Manny is willing to walk away from the Mayweather fight due to the allegations of steroid use, but yet he's still going to fight somebody else on March 13? Does he not have to undergo testing still, for the other opponent as well as Mayweather?
Something smells rotten here...and it's not Pac Man.
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Mannys fighting Clottley in his next fight, a very dangerous opponent who should have been given the decision against Cotto last time out, that was more boxing bollocks.
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yea my buddy's cousin has a roomate thats girlfriends uncle said he has a video of Megan fox suckin his dick...
I trust the guy so it must be true....
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I wonder how hard would it to be to slip the 'source' say 10 grand to say that remark to Atlas.... ::) ::) ::)
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Yeah, Manny is willing to walk away from the Mayweather fight due to the allegations of steroid use, but yet he's still going to fight somebody else on March 13? Does he not have to undergo testing still, for the other opponent as well as Mayweather?
Something smells rotten here...and it's not Pac Man.
It sure the fuck is...Money Mayweather said "olympic testing and ill fight for 30mil" and Pac man says "well you cant test closer than 24 days from the fight, And if those are the rules..ill leave 30mil on the table" ...Get the fuck out of here...pacman = juice man..
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Manny is dirty.
His story REEKS of bullshit. That much money on the line and he "doesn't like needles"...get the fuck out of here with that shit.
I guarantee it ALL comes to light eventually, in todays media environment it always does
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Manny is dirty.
His story REEKS of bullshit. That much money on the line and he "doesn't like needles"...get the fuck out of here with that shit.
I guarantee it ALL comes to light eventually, in todays media environment it always does
Dude we talkin about a 30mil FLOOR...up to 40MIL...how the fuck do you leave that on the table...because of needles...and i cant beleive there is actually an argument for PAC man...dude..take the test and fight...wtf
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It sure the fuck is...Money Mayweather said "olympic testing and ill fight for 30mil" and Pac man says "well you cant test closer than 24 days from the fight, And if those are the rules..ill leave 30mil on the table" ...Get the fuck out of here...pacman = juice man..
both of them are using the same shit homeboy, mayweather thinks he is secure in his ability to beat any drug test. lots of money and support. he thinks manny's third world country ass is going to get caught because he doesnt have scientists on his payroll.
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It sure the fuck is...Money Mayweather said "olympic testing and ill fight for 30mil" and Pac man says "well you cant test closer than 24 days from the fight, And if those are the rules..ill leave 30mil on the table" ...Get the fuck out of here...pacman = juice man..
Never been much of a boxing fan, really. I'm not following the story as closely as BigBobs does a Nasser post, so the little info I know comes from the media- which I will fully admit I hate because of the misinformation they regularly spew.
With that said....
Isn't it fairly well known that Manny is afraid of needles, and hates the testing he already undergoes? As well, wasn't Mayweather backpedaling many months ago prior to the agreement? Manny is going to fight someone else on the same day as he was to fight Mayweather...probably getting tested for that show, yes? Is it IOC testing like Mayweather is requesting?
Just seems, over and over, that Mayweather is trying to find and exploit a loophole in order to not fight Pac Man.
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Never been much of a boxing fan, really. I'm not following the story as closely as BigBobs does a Nasser post, so the little info I know comes from the media- which I will fully admit I hate because of the misinformation they regularly spew.
With that said....
Isn't it fairly well known that Manny is afraid of needles, and hates the testing he already undergoes? As well, wasn't Mayweather backpedaling many months ago prior to the agreement? Manny is going to fight someone else on the same day as he was to fight Mayweather...probably getting tested for that show, yes? Is it IOC testing like Mayweather is requesting?
Just seems, over and over, that Mayweather is trying to find and exploit a loophole in order to not fight Pac Man.
No not at all..
Mayweather to PACMAN : Do IOC testing and we got a fight for atleast 30mil each
PACMAN to Mayweather : Um no. If i have to do the "real" test ill leave 30mil on the table
Thats whats goin on...because if Mayweather was scared...if manny would have said yeah..then what would mayweather have to say..this shit is cut and dry...if there is nothin to hide you can test me right before the fight...not this 24 day window between the test and fight...what the fuck is that
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No not at all..
Mayweather to PACMAN : Do IOC testing and we got a fight for atleast 30mil each
PACMAN to Mayweather : Um no. If i have to do the "real" test ill leave 30mil on the table
Thats whats goin on...because if Mayweather was scared...if manny would have said yeah..then what would mayweather have to say..this shit is cut and dry...if there is nothin to hide you can test me right before the fight...not this 24 day window between the test and fight...what the fuck is that
The guy has never tested positive. The 24 day window has worked for thousands of other fights. Why should Mayweather get to dictate new rules? He's coming off as a bitch looking to duck Manny in anyway he can.
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No not at all..
Mayweather to PACMAN : Do IOC testing and we got a fight for atleast 30mil each
PACMAN to Mayweather : Um no. If i have to do the "real" test ill leave 30mil on the table
Thats whats goin on...because if Mayweather was scared...if manny would have said yeah..then what would mayweather have to say..this shit is cut and dry...if there is nothin to hide you can test me right before the fight...not this 24 day window between the test and fight...what the fuck is that
Of course Mayweather is scared...Pacman will go on to fight a solid welterweight and Mayweather will find a matchup with an undersized lightweight.
Floyd Mayweather is a joke.
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No not at all..
Mayweather to PACMAN : Do IOC testing and we got a fight for atleast 30mil each
PACMAN to Mayweather : Um no. If i have to do the "real" test ill leave 30mil on the table
Thats whats goin on...because if Mayweather was scared...if manny would have said yeah..then what would mayweather have to say..this shit is cut and dry...if there is nothin to hide you can test me right before the fight...not this 24 day window between the test and fight...what the fuck is that
I understand you, but I'm not sure if you're getting what I am saying. You're only addressing the testing issue here. I think there is more to it...cut and dry, yet a bit more involved.
Mayweather knows Manny is afraid of needles, and feels he's not as strong if blood is drawn within 24hrs of a fight. So this is the aspect Mayweather is exploiting, he knows Manny is reluctant to agree to this...and Manny is reluctant because of his fear, beliefs and views.
I'm not disputing whether or not Manny, Mayweather or my grandma is juicing. That's a moot point. All the guys are juicing, if you ask me. I don't think it is about Pac Man trying to hide his use...he's taken tests before in the past, yes? He has passed those tests, yes? So why would this fight be any different than the rest? Manny has wanted this fight, Mayweather never has, from what I can see. So Mayweather is doing what he can to spin it in his favor and make Manny look like he's afraid to get caught using banned substances, because he knows that is the current climate, and has been for the last few years.
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The guy has never tested positive. The 24 day window has worked for thousands of other fights. Why should Mayweather get to dictate new rules? He's coming off as a bitch looking to duck Manny in anyway he can.
No he shouldn't...but His trainer has accused Manny of juicing for a while now. If he has his suspicions and it's the Mega-Fight that it is....I would demand it too. Personally i think he's right. as crazy as he is.
And Manny balking at it has to raise a red flag IMO. Call Mayweather a pussy all you want, why won't he take the test?
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I understand you, but I'm not sure if you're getting what I am saying. You're only addressing the testing issue here. I think there is more to it...cut and dry, yet a bit more involved.
Mayweather knows Manny is afraid of needles, and feels he's not as strong if blood is drawn within 24hrs of a fight. [/b]So this is the aspect Mayweather is exploiting, he knows Manny is reluctant to agree to this...and Manny is reluctant because of his fear, beliefs and views.
I'm not disputing whether or not Manny, Mayweather or my grandma is juicing. That's a moot point. All the guys are juicing, if you ask me. I don't think it is about Pac Man trying to hide his use...he's taken tests before in the past, yes? He has passed those tests, yes? So why would this fight be any different than the rest? Manny has wanted this fight, Mayweather never has, from what I can see. So Mayweather is doing what he can to spin it in his favor and make Manny look like he's afraid to get caught using banned substances, because he knows that is the current climate, and has been for the last few years.
I can't believe getbiggers are buying this bullshit, this guy has something to hide
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For 30 mil, I would submit to blood tests every 5 minutes during the fight if they wanted me to.
Unless I was trying to hide something, then I'd bow out of 30 mil and take on a much less money making fight so I could take a standard test that I've already figured out how to beat.
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The guy has never tested positive. The 24 day window has worked for thousands of other fights. Why should Mayweather get to dictate new rules? He's coming off as a bitch looking to duck Manny in anyway he can.
oK..So manny says yes...And then what..see what im saying..its not like he ducking him...he said take the test and then fight
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For 30 mil, I would submit to blood tests every 5 minutes during the fight if they wanted me to.
Unless I was trying to hide something, then I'd bow out of 30 mil and take on a much less money making fight so I could take a standard test that I've already figured out how to beat.
Bingo, you don't pass up that kind of money unless you're hiding something. Period.
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For 30 mil, I would submit to blood tests every 5 minutes during the fight if they wanted me to.
Unless I was trying to hide something, then I'd bow out of 30 mil and take on a much less money making fight so I could take a standard test that I've already figured out how to beat.
yeah...30mil was heavy weight money...
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I can't believe getbiggers are buying this bullshit, this guy has something to hide
And after you read the paragraph you quoted of me, you still didn't understand that is a moot point.
I realize Manny is on something.
I realize he is hiding something.
Do you think Mayweather is clean?
Seems that all of you defending Mayweather are neglecting this aspect.
They're ALL dirty.
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The guy has never tested positive. The 24 day window has worked for thousands of other fights. Why should Mayweather get to dictate new rules? He's coming off as a bitch looking to duck Manny in anyway he can.
QFMFT
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You do realize that it was Mayweather that walked away after arbitration.
The fight should have been made.
Top Rank and Golden Boy both had a agreed to a deal and Mayweather bitched out.
I really liked Mayweather, but he never had any intention of taking this fight.
Too bad.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4803490
I for one am done with his crap.
Floyd needs to step up his competition anyway. He only seems to fight guys smaller and slower then him.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4814829
According to sources, Mayweather's list of potential opponents includes former junior welterweight titlist Paulie Malignaggi and Golden Boy-promoted former lightweight titlist Nate Campbell, both smaller men than Mayweather, as well as former welterweight titlist Kermit Cintron, who is a similar kind of opponent as Clottey is for Pacquiao. There is also a more remote possibility of Mayweather facing junior welterweight titlist Timothy Bradley Jr., who has ties to Showtime, which may not want to let him walk away for a possible fight on rival HBO PPV.
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You do realize that it was Mayweather that walked away after arbitration.
The fight should have been made.
Top Rank and Golden Boy both had a agreed to a deal and Mayweather bitched out.
I really liked Mayweather, but he never had any intention of taking this fight.
Too bad.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4803490
I for one am done with his crap.
Floyd needs to step up his competition anyway. He only seems to fight guys smaller and slower then him.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4814829
According to sources, Mayweather's list of potential opponents includes former junior welterweight titlist Paulie Malignaggi and Golden Boy-promoted former lightweight titlist Nate Campbell, both smaller men than Mayweather, as well as former welterweight titlist Kermit Cintron, who is a similar kind of opponent as Clottey is for Pacquiao. There is also a more remote possibility of Mayweather facing junior welterweight titlist Timothy Bradley Jr., who has ties to Showtime, which may not want to let him walk away for a possible fight on rival HBO PPV.
What the fuck...i just listened to it...it said that manny said he could move the test to no further than 24 days before the fight...Why not up until the fight like floyd...Dude why should Floyd move on that..What the fuck is the 24 days for...why are we having this conversation...like i stated before
floyd to Manny:we shold test all the way up to the fight and we get atleast 30mil each...
Manny to floyd: um na..we can test but i need 24 days of no testing leading up to the fight
Floyd...: whats the fuckin point...if youre clean youll test up until the day before the fight...and we get 30 mil
Manny :screw your 30 mil...i need a 24 day window or nothing...
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Pacquiao vs. Mayweather
Pacquiao has reportedly agreed to fight Floyd Mayweather, Jr. on March 13, 2010, for a split of $50 million up front, at the MGM Grand Las Vegas which the promoters of both camp already agreed.[48] The bout has been in jeopardy, due to disagreements about Olympic-style drug tests. Floyd Mayweather's camp wanted blood tests by the United States Anti-Doping Agency, which conducts the tests anytime from the fight is signed to the fight date.[49] However the Pacquiao camp refused to provide these samples, only willing to allow blood to be taken from Pacquiao at least 30 days before the fight date as well as immediately after the conclusion of the bout. Freddie Roach, on the other hand, has commented that he would allow a blood sample to be taken from Pacquiao at least one week before the fight.
I mean what the fuck is the argument about
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Mayweathers camp just doesn't get it? First let's retire for a year and half during the peak of his career. Then lets walk away from a possible 40 million dollar payday with Manny. These guys think he's the superstar here and he's not. Manny has stolen his spotlight. Now the Pac camp has played this perfect in my eyes. Manny is going to go on and fight another legitimate welterweight. Knock him out. Fight in a bigger stadium. And break another 1 million PPV buys. Mayweather is gonna take on Paulie Malinaggi. Not sell out the MGM grande. Not sell 1 million PPV's. And once again give us another snoozer of a fight. When these guys meet again for negotiations for a September or November showdown? Mayweather has absolutely nothing to bargain with. Manny will just go on to Face the winner of Berto/Mosley. Mayweather is not one of the greats and will not be rememberer as one of the greats. He's gonna go down the exact road as Roy Jones and Evander Holyfield. He's just trying to hold on to little spotlight he has left. He wants absolutely nothing to do with anyone that has a chance of beating him even if there was 100 million on the table. Thats what fear does to a person.
spot on post
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Jesus H Christ
take test we fight...
Dont take test...we dont fight...
Case Closed
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Pacquiao vs. Mayweather
Pacquiao has reportedly agreed to fight Floyd Mayweather, Jr. on March 13, 2010, for a split of $50 million up front, at the MGM Grand Las Vegas which the promoters of both camp already agreed.[48] The bout has been in jeopardy, due to disagreements about Olympic-style drug tests. Floyd Mayweather's camp wanted blood tests by the United States Anti-Doping Agency, which conducts the tests anytime from the fight is signed to the fight date.[49] However the Pacquiao camp refused to provide these samples, only willing to allow blood to be taken from Pacquiao at least 30 days before the fight date as well as immediately after the conclusion of the bout. Freddie Roach, on the other hand, has commented that he would allow a blood sample to be taken from Pacquiao at least one week before the fight.
Manny is the one that is a bitch....he's a fucking cheater and the Mayweather camp called him on it. without his winstrol and EPO he would get his fucking face smashed in and he knows it
I mean what the fuck is the argument about
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Manny is the one that is a bitch....he's a fucking cheater and the Mayweather camp called him on it. without his winstrol and EPO he would get his fucking face smashed in and he knows it
Man I seriously dont see what the argument is..its pretty plain to see from my pov...Take test...fight...get paid
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those emails were utter bullshit made by associates from the Mayweather camp
Who the fk is he going to fight now? Matthew Hatton? hahahaha
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those emails were utter bullshit made by associates from the Mayweather camp
Who the fk is he going to fight now? Matthew Hatton? hahahaha
Fact remains...take the test...we fight...he dont wanna take the test
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fact remains, keep status quo on testing and fight is on. Mayweather has no say in the testing requirements, never did till now. why now?
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fact remains, keep status quo on testing and fight is on. Mayweather has no say in the testing requirements, never did till now. why now?
Because he smells a rat and is calling him on it.
Manny= dirty.... or we wouldn't even be talking about this, he would say "whatever dude" and the fight would be on.
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Mayweathers camp just doesn't get it? First let's retire for a year and half during the peak of his career. Then lets walk away from a possible 40 million dollar payday with Manny. These guys think he's the superstar here and he's not. Manny has stolen his spotlight. Now the Pac camp has played this perfect in my eyes. Manny is going to go on and fight another legitimate welterweight. Knock him out. Fight in a bigger stadium. And break another 1 million PPV buys. Mayweather is gonna take on Paulie Malinaggi. Not sell out the MGM grande. Not sell 1 million PPV's. And once again give us another snoozer of a fight. When these guys meet again for negotiations for a September or November showdown? Mayweather has absolutely nothing to bargain with. Manny will just go on to Face the winner of Berto/Mosley. Mayweather is not one of the greats and will not be rememberer as one of the greats. He's gonna go down the exact road as Roy Jones and Evander Holyfield. He's just trying to hold on to little spotlight he has left. He wants absolutely nothing to do with anyone that has a chance of beating him even if there was 100 million on the table. Thats what fear does to a person.
Superb post, Tim.
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manny is a big pussy. here is what he asked for during negotiations and recieved
1. $10 million for every single pound he is over the limit ( since when has anyone asked such an outrageous request)
2. fighting with 8oz gloves to give the advantage to the heavy hitter ( direct advantage for manny)
3. smaller ring ( direct advantage for manny so mayweather cant move as freely as he would like to_
the only thing floyd asked for was an olympic style testingn which both have to take
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Mayweathers camp just doesn't get it? First let's retire for a year and half during the peak of his career. Then lets walk away from a possible 40 million dollar payday with Manny. These guys think he's the superstar here and he's not. Manny has stolen his spotlight. Now the Pac camp has played this perfect in my eyes. Manny is going to go on and fight another legitimate welterweight. Knock him out. Fight in a bigger stadium. And break another 1 million PPV buys. Mayweather is gonna take on Paulie Malinaggi. Not sell out the MGM grande. Not sell 1 million PPV's. And once again give us another snoozer of a fight. When these guys meet again for negotiations for a September or November showdown? Mayweather has absolutely nothing to bargain with. Manny will just go on to Face the winner of Berto/Mosley. Mayweather is not one of the greats and will not be rememberer as one of the greats. He's gonna go down the exact road as Roy Jones and Evander Holyfield. He's just trying to hold on to little spotlight he has left. He wants absolutely nothing to do with anyone that has a chance of beating him even if there was 100 million on the table. Thats what fear does to a person.
In light of the Mark Mcguire situation, Manny kinda has a tarnished image now. It's kinda like girl accusing a her male teacher of sexual misconduct. It may not have happened, but there is still doubt. And just with Manny...you won't test and get a garanteed 30 mil? Hmmm.
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Because he smells a rat and is calling him on it.
Manny= dirty.... or we wouldn't even be talking about this, he would say "whatever dude" and the fight would be on.
You keep spinning this towards Manny being the only user...and coming from you that's really interesting!
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manny is a big pussy. here is what he asked for during negotiations and recieved
1. $10 million for every single pound he is over the limit ( since when has anyone asked such an outrageous request)
2. fighting with 8oz gloves to give the advantage to the heavy hitter ( direct advantage for manny)
3. smaller ring ( direct advantage for manny so mayweather cant move as freely as he would like to_
the only thing floyd asked for was an olympic style testingn which both have to take
What's the problem? PBF always comes in several pounds overweight.
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And after you read the paragraph you quoted of me, you still didn't understand that is a moot point.
I realize Manny is on something.
I realize he is hiding something.
Do you think Mayweather is clean?
Seems that all of you defending Mayweather are neglecting this aspect.
They're ALL dirty.
Maybe they are, but Mayweather was willing to do the test, Manny was not, the fight gets dropped.
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Mayweather was ignorant about PED testing. Urine testing is actually the preferred method of WADA(what Floyd demands) for EPO, not blood testing. As far as HGH, no one's ever been caught, regardless of if it's blood or urine.
Either he's ignorant or just really shady about these tests knowing Pacquiao has issues with blood drawing(from the first Morales fight).
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Maybe they are, but Mayweather was willing to do the test, Manny was not, the fight gets dropped.
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Umm, if you're proposing something, you better agree to it. Why do you even bring that point up?
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Umm, if you're proposing something, you better agree to it. Why do you even bring that point up?
Did you read the post I quoted, fuckwit?
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You keep spinning this towards Manny being the only user...and coming from you that's really interesting!
How so?
You aren't imply that i have used PEDs are you :D
PBF is the only one that doesn't have a problem with stricter testing.
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Manny agreed to take the test gentlemen. 14 days before the fight and directly after the fight. The test directly after the fight being the most important.
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I cant believe so many are buying into Mayweathers bullshit, Manny isnt agreeing on principal, he can make decent money without Mayweather. Floyd cant anymore, he needs this fight to get a 5 million plus purse, Manny doesnt, he can make good money fighting Clottey, and Mosely.
Floyd wont make half as much as manny fighting anyone else, hes the best in my opinion but he doesnt have the draw of the Pacman, and mannys up to date with his taxes, Floyd isnt. Look for Mayweatyther to rectify this fight inn the next twelve months when the IRS come looking for him again.
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floyd gayweather is a pussy! he fights chumps and nobody in their prime. he says he's about his money but doesnt budge on the testing. pac agreed to before and after testing. golden boy is pissed pacman destroyed all his fighters.
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There is a rumor that Schaeffer and GBP is looking to hook him up with NATE CAMPBELL on a later date (April, so as not to compete with Pac-Clottey). LOL.