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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Hugo Chavez on January 11, 2010, 03:40:15 AM
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What does that mean? The saying has been around a long ass time. Does anybody know the background to it?
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Im not sure,but maybe its because we have to carry every other race on our shoulders.Our fucking back hurts.
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wow billy, wow..................... ..................
exposed
Is it not true?Jails are filled with blacks,inner cities are filled with crime,poor educational standards in inner city schools,illegals getting state aid it goes on and on.WE pay for that.
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Is it not true?Jails are filled with blacks,inner cities are filled with crime,poor educational standards in inner city schools,illegals getting state aid it goes on and on.WE pay for that.
White American people take illegals across the border into the US to work in meat packing companies.
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It's a poem by Kipling
Basically it says whitey civilized the world.
There's a lot of truth to it.
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That is the history of it dumbass-- And, that pretty much is the cliff notes version of what the poem means. If you want a more detailed description, read it for yourself.
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White people have only been the dominant force on this planet since, maybe, 1950... and even that is debatable.
If anyone can point out a period when Whites ruled the world prior to, say, 1600 I'll be very impressed.
-Roman Empire... dwarfed by the contemporary Brazilian rainforest society and dwarfed by contemporary China.
-Christendom... dwarfed (and defeated) by the Mongols.
-Medieval Europe... dwarfed by contemporary India, China and Ethiopia.
-Renaissance Europe... dwarfed by contemporary Islam, China and Ethiopia.
Maybe we should read more histories that aren't aimed at white Anglo-saxon western readers?
The Luke
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"White Man's Burden" is the freaking Fedzilla & Statezilla raping his paycheck to pay for stupid redistubution schemes that dont work.
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"White Man's Burden" is the freaking Fedzilla & Statezilla raping his paycheck to pay for stupid redistubution schemes that dont work.
...they seem to be working in Norway; Sweden; Finland; France; Germany; Austria etc etc.
Might be time to take a look at those comparative "Standard of Living" indices again... socialism is kicking capitalism's ass.
Or maybe just turn on Fox News; Bill O'Reilly; Sean Hannity; Elizabeth Hasselback; Michael Savage; or Rush Limbaugh... why face up to disagreeable reality with it's facts and truthes, when there is an entire media industry based around telling deluded ignorant prejudiced blowhards like you, that everything is EXACTLY as their diseased imaginations miscomprehended it?
Too confrontational? (No homo)
The Luke
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...they seem to be working in Norway; Sweden; Finland; France; Germany; Austria etc etc.
Might be time to take a look at those comparative "Standard of Living" indices again... socialism is kicking capitalism's ass.
Or maybe just turn on Fox News; Bill O'Reilly; Sean Hannity; Elizabeth Hasselback; Michael Savage; or Rush Limbaugh... why face up to disagreeable reality with it's facts and truthes, when there is an entire media industry based around telling deluded ignorant prejudiced blowhards like you, that everything is EXACTLY as their diseased imaginations miscomprehended it?
Too confrontational? (No homo)
The Luke
Ireland, Greece, Spain anyone?
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Ireland, Greece, Spain anyone?
2009 Report:
Ireland... 5th place.
America... 13th place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
The Luke
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2009 Report:
Ireland... 5th place.
America... 13th place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
The Luke
Greece is near official default and bankrupcty.Spain has was 25% official UE?
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Luke you should have your fingers smashed to paste with a hammer so you can't type anymore.
Whites have been the most dominant force on the planet since always. Since 1950!? ::)
Comparing the amazon rain forest society and feudal china to any European empire shows your complete disconnect from history and reality. You get an "A" for your imagination and an "F" for your accuracy.
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-Roman Empire... dwarfed by the contemporary Brazilian rainforest society and dwarfed by contemporary China.
Bullshit!
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...they seem to be working in Norway; Sweden; Finland; France; Germany; Austria etc etc.
Might be time to take a look at those comparative "Standard of Living" indices again... socialism is kicking capitalism's ass.
Or maybe just turn on Fox News; Bill O'Reilly; Sean Hannity; Elizabeth Hasselback; Michael Savage; or Rush Limbaugh... why face up to disagreeable reality with it's facts and truthes, when there is an entire media industry based around telling deluded ignorant prejudiced blowhards like you, that everything is EXACTLY as their diseased imaginations miscomprehended it?
Too confrontational? (No homo)
The Luke
Damn good post. 8)
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...they seem to be working in Norway; Sweden; Finland; France; Germany; Austria etc etc.
Might be time to take a look at those comparative "Standard of Living" indices again... socialism is kicking capitalism's ass.
Or maybe just turn on Fox News; Bill O'Reilly; Sean Hannity; Elizabeth Hasselback; Michael Savage; or Rush Limbaugh... why face up to disagreeable reality with it's facts and truthes, when there is an entire media industry based around telling deluded ignorant prejudiced blowhards like you, that everything is EXACTLY as their diseased imaginations miscomprehended it?
Too confrontational? (No homo)
The Luke
I'll give it a stab.
Their current systems are unsustainable with their declining native populations, hence the importation of cheap and uneducated (amongst other things) labor that is causing said nations a bit of a headache. The nationalized health care and cradle to the grave institutions will have a very tough time surviving as they stand now.
Not completely knocking their systems, but they aren't sustainable, not saying the U.S.'s system of fucked up/crony/rapeism is either but the apparatus France, Germany etc are entangled in isn't exactly perfect.
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George, it's really not worth responding to Luke's posts, they are his obscure opinions justified by his own creative isolated logic.
So, the poem is reflective (and a proposed justification) of colonialism in the late 1800s. I forgot that too...vaguely remembered something from school.
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Luke you should have your fingers smashed to paste with a hammer so you can't type anymore.
Whites have been the most dominant force on the planet since always. Since 1950!? ::)
Up until the early 1500s (when missionaries brought measles and smallpox), there were 20 to 50 million farmers living peacefully in the Brazilian rainforest, all with the same culture and speaking the same language. That's more people than were subjugated by the Roman Empire at it's peak, covering a larger area and even trading further afield than the Romans... hell, the Brazilians even had more miles of road in their network than the Romans had. It's only Europeans and Americans who read only Euro-centric histories that actually believe "All roads lead to Rome".
When Columbus sailed to the New World, he used a Chinese map (the Chinese treasure ships mapped the entire world in the 1420s). The Vikings left Newfoundland because there were too many Chinese there. The Viking settlement in Greenland was destroyed by a retaliatory attack by the Chinese. San Francisco was first settled by the Chinese. There was a Chinese settlement in Arnhemland, Australia in the 1430s (that's been proven definitively by DNA studies).
Comparing the amazon rain forest society and feudal china to any European empire shows your complete disconnect from history and reality. You get an "A" for your imagination and an "F" for your accuracy.
That's a frightfully misinformed opinion expressed with deplorable certitude.
From 500 AD (fragmentation of the Roman Empire) till 1500 AD (Renaissance) no single European empire or nation could match the might of China's larger vassal states, let alone China itself.
Even if you lumped ALL of Europe together into one unified entity during this period (500-1500 AD), this superstate, this "Christendom", still wouldn't match the Brazilian rainforest society in population; production; territory; scope or influence... let alone China.
In fact, between 500 and 1500 AD European Christendom as a whole wasn't even the most powerful Christian nation/empire... that would have been Ethiopia.
Get reading dude... you've been mislead.
The Luke
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The industrial revolution, which began in the late 1700s brought the biggest step in modernization the world had ever seen. So, you can argue that Europeans led the way in modernizing the world. Now, that doesn't mean they had the best culture or best place to live, just that they brought immense changes in manufacturing goods, transport, trade, socioeconomic issues, etc that affected the whole world. This was probably the biggest change (in the sense of advancement) the world has every seen.
Where the heck did you get 1950?...nevermind...
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The industrial revolution, which began in the late 1700s brought the biggest step in modernization the world had ever seen. So, you can argue that Europeans led the way in modernizing the world. Now, that doesn't mean they had the best culture or best place to live, just that they brought immense changes in manufacturing goods, transport, trade, socioeconomic issues, etc that affected the whole world. This was probably the biggest change (in the sense of advancement) the world has every seen.
Where the heck did you get 1950?...nevermind...
Shoot - Luke operates in his own little universe, literally.
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The industrial revolution, which began in the late 1700s brought the biggest step in modernization the world had ever seen. So, you can argue that Europeans led the way in modernizing the world. Now, that doesn't mean they had the best culture or best place to live, just that they brought immense changes in manufacturing goods, transport, trade, socioeconomic issues, etc that affected the whole world. This was probably the biggest change (in the sense of advancement) the world has every seen.
Where the heck did you get 1950?...nevermind...
I don't deny your point... but note what I actually wrote:
White people have only been the dominant force on this planet since, maybe, 1950... and even that is debatable.
...white culture only became dominant when they became the only people with nuclear weapons (1950s).
It's not that I'm some zany weirdo on a street corner clutching a dog-eared secret world history... it's that you guys are generally very poorly informed and mistake your personal prejudices for widespread opinion.
You guys tend to skim through posts without reading them, infer an attack on your misconceptions (which was never implied) and rather than debate, you retaliate.
Read... CONSIDER... then respond.
The Luke
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I don't deny your point... but note what I actually wrote:
...white culture only became dominant when they became the only people with nuclear weapons (1950s).
It's not that I'm some zany weirdo on a street corner clutching a dog-eared secret world history... it's that you guys are generally very poorly informed and mistake your personal prejudices for widespread opinion.
You guys tend to skim through posts without reading them, infer an attack on your misconceptions (which was never implied) and rather than debate, you retaliate.
Read... CONSIDER... then respond.
The Luke
English Empire anyone?
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Im not sure,but maybe its because we have to carry every other race on our shoulders.Our fucking back hurts.
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English Empire anyone?
...probably the best contender.
But it was in a constant state of fragmentation... they lost their claim on North America; India; Australia; even Ireland... and they never managed to subjugate Africa or South America.
The Luke
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...probably the best contender.
But it was in a constant state of fragmentation... they lost their claim on North America; India; Australia; even Ireland... and they never managed to subjugate Africa or South America.
The Luke
So what the hell do we do now.... >:(
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...probably the best contender.
But it was in a constant state of fragmentation... they lost their claim on North America; India; Australia; even Ireland... and they never managed to subjugate Africa or South America.
The Luke
in the 1800's was there any more overall powerful nation than England?
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Luke, how do we become as smart as you?
Also, thanks for signing your name at the bottom of each post.
Oh, heavens me, how would I ever know who it was from if you didn't, you smart thing, you?
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Luke, how do we become as smart as you?
Also, thanks for signing your name at the bottom of each post.
Oh, heavens me, how would I ever know who it was from if you didn't, you smart thing, you?
That's easy, ...The Luke's is one of the few calm, articulate and well informed posts you will see here.
And here I was thinking White Man's Burden was a movie starring John Travolta & Harry Belafonte,
...either that or a documentary exposing the World Bank, IMF, and the nasty little truth about foreign aid.
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Thats all very interesting but throwing money at poor nations is not the answer to the problem. You give a man a fish he eats for a day you teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime.
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Thats all very interesting but throwing money at poor nations is not the answer to the problem. You give a man a fish he eats for a day you teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime.
I think the point is that they're not even giving them the fish.
Foreign aid is often no more than a bribe to prop up dictators and strategically located allies.
All that foreign aid to the Philipines went straight into the pockets of Ferdinand Marcos, while the people starved.
And the sad part is, America knew it, ...but didn't care, as long as they had access to the Philipines the Marcos' could go on stealing and the US would turn a blind eye.
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I think the point is that they're not even giving them the fish.
Foreign aid is often no more than a bribe to prop up dictators and strategically located allies.
All that foreign aid to the Philipines went straight into the pockets of Ferdinand Marcos, while the people starved.
And the sad part is, America knew it, ...but didn't care, as long as they had access to the Philipines the Marcos' could go on stealing and the US would turn a blind eye.
Foreign aid money is nothing more than a bribe, that is why I am against it. We want to get rid of poverty in the 3rd world, we teach them how to take care of themselves, not depend on the foreign aid monies.
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Read it for yourself and decide:
Take up the White Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half-devil and half-child.
Take up the White Man's burden--
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain
To seek another's profit,
And work another's gain.
Take up the White Man's burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly
Bring all your hopes to nought.
Take up the White Man's burden--
No tawdry rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper--
The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter,
The roads ye shall not tread,
Go mark them with your living,
And mark them with your dead.
Take up the White Man's burden--
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those ye guard--
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:--
"Why brought he us from bondage,
Our loved Egyptian night?"
Take up the White Man's burden--
Ye dare not stoop to less--
Nor call too loud on Freedom
To cloke (1) your weariness;
By all ye cry or whisper,
By all ye leave or do,
The silent, sullen peoples
Shall weigh your gods and you.
Take up the White Man's burden--
Have done with childish days--
The lightly proferred laurel, (2)
The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers!
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So Hugo, did Georgie have it right when it he summed it up in one sentence more than a page ago?