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There is no hiding from these MADMEN... GMO food, pesticides, herbacides, chemical fertilizers, diseases of all types. You may have though going ORGANIC was safe...It is just as dangerous as conventional farming, because the same deranged farmers are doing the farming and slaughtering...
Think going organic lets you eat meat with a clear conscience? This shocking investigation into a 'humane' slaughterhouse will make you think again
By Danny Penman
Last updated at 9:29 AM on 12th January 2010
The Vale of Ashburton has long been regarded as an idyllic corner of rural Devon. Groups of ramblers clamber over muddy stiles, while farmers round up their cattle ready for the afternoon's milking.
The view from the slopes of nearby Rippon Tor is perfect - so perfect in fact, that local artists do a thriving trade in watercolours of the vale.
The serenity is only enhanced by the sound of sheep calling to each other across the hillsides as they chew on the lush grass.
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A slaughterman drives his knee into a sheep's body as he wields a bolt gun
Brutal: A slaughterman drives his knee into a sheep's body as he wields a bolt gun at the creature
But every now and again, if you listen carefully, you can hear other animal sounds, ones that shatter this bucolic vision. The sounds are of terrified animals as they are herded into an abattoir in the valley below before being systematically killed.
The owner of the slaughterhouse in question is a man named Tom Lang, and he is proud of the fact his establishment is certified by the Soil Association for the 'humane slaughter' of organically reared animals.
But thanks to a Mail investigation, that certificate was suspended last month, after staff at the abattoir were filmed inflicting appalling cruelty on pigs and sheep.
We obtained video footage that shows workers routinely flouting both the Soil Association's organic rules and The Welfare of Animals (Slaughter and Killing) Regulations 1995. We discovered pigs and sheep being beaten and, even more horrifyingly, animals having their throats slit without being adequately stunned first.
Animal Aid, a national welfare group, planted secret cameras inside the slaughterhouse and shot 40 hours of footage over a two-week period.
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Another abattoir slaughterman lashes out and kicks a pig in the head
Vicious: Another abattoir slaughterman lashes out and kicks a pig in the head
This particular slaughterhouse was chosen not because it was one of the worst in Britain, but because it was assumed to be one of the best - certified with the gold standard of the organic industry that sets so much store by the way animals are raised and killed.
The camera footage shows trailer-loads of cattle, sheep and pigs arriving throughout the day at Tom Lang's abattoir near Ashburton.
Scores of animals are crammed into these trucks, and on their arrival they are chased out of the vans by men wielding sticks. To strike the animals causes them undue stress and is against the regulations for organically reared animals.
Once inside the abattoir, our pictures show pigs being beaten as they're herded around the complex. We also found several cases of animals having their throats slit without adequate stunning, again against regulations.
In one scene, a group of terrified pigs are herded into a 'knocking pen' where they are kicked and beaten by a slaughterman before being stunned with electric tongs.
One pig tries to escape, running hither and thither, frantically trying to climb the walls of the pen.
One shaven-headed man stands out for his brutality. He kicks, punches, knees and bashes a pig with steel stunning tongs no fewer than 20 times. The creature can be heard screaming as the blows rain down upon it.
At one stage, a slaughterman appears bored of stunning the animals with the electric tongs and reaches for a bolt gun instead. This is a different method of stunning the animals.
He shoots a sheep in the head. The animal falls on to its side and struggles to get up - its legs frantically pawing at the air.
Welfare rules state that an animal should be killed or 'stuck' - by having its throat slit - within 15 seconds of being stunned.
If there is any delay before the animal is 'stuck' it will start regaining consciousness. On countless occasions, these rules were flouted. One sheep was stunned and left hanging upside down for at least 50 seconds.
The video shows a pig being hit 20 times with steel stunning tongs like the ones in this picture
Pain: The video shows a pig being hit 20 times with steel stunning tongs like the ones in this picture
The creature was left dangling by a hind leg, and can be seen gradually starting to move again. First, its front legs start twitching, then the animal becomes increasingly frantic before the slaughterman stabs it in the neck.
Jason Aldiss, President of the Veterinary Public Health Association, says: 'Every animal should be stuck within 15 seconds. After this time, there's a great risk that an animal will start to regain consciousness.'
In fact, one of the sheep there was left for more than 50 seconds.
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Stephen Wotton, a vet from Bristol University specialising in the welfare of animals at slaughter, says such scenes are wholly unacceptable.
'After 50 seconds the animal is very likely to have regained consciousness.'
Sure enough, on the video from Tom Lang's abattoir, on many occasions sheep can be seen pawing at the air after they are 'stuck', suggesting they are conscious as they bleed out (the technical term for slitting the throat).
Mr Wotton says: 'If an animal starts to regain consciousness, then you should immediately re-stun it. It's an important part of the slaughtering procedure and should be standard practice in any slaughterhouse.'
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Free range pigs
Roaming free: There is a premium on meat reared organically as consumers pay for the level of welfare an animal receives
Such brutality and casual indifference to suffering should not be seen inside any slaughterhouse, and certainly not in one certified by the Soil Association - a charity campaigning for organic food and farming which claims to have strict rules for the humane slaughter of animals.
It says: 'It is worth remembering the peace of mind that Soil Association certification buys you. It means that any animals involved in producing your foodstuffs have enjoyed the highest standards of welfare.'
It is the job of the Meat Hygiene Service (MHS) to police Britain's slaughterhouses. They have a vet with responsibility for every abattoir to ensure that all animals are dispatched in a humane fashion. When the MHS was shown the footage from the Tom Lang slaughterhouse, it sent a team of vets to visit the plant.
Steve McGrath, MHS chief executive, says: 'We acted quickly when we saw these pictures of animal cruelty. We suspended three slaughterers immediately and we're collating evidence to support a potential prosecution of the slaughterhouse operator and slaughterers.
'Slaughtermen tell you they'll run you over with a truck'
'We were all shocked by what we saw in the footage. There's consensus throughout the Meat Hygiene Service on that.
'Senior MHS vets have also visited Tom Lang personally and we have put additional staff into the slaughterhouse on a temporary basis to ensure that standards of slaughtering are acceptable. Our on-site official veterinarian is also making additional random checks on slaughtering.'
Stephen Lomax, spokesman for Tom Lang Ltd, claims they were unaware of the breaches until the MHS brought it to their attention. He says the abattoir owners were 'absolutely mortified' by the scenes filmed in their slaughterhouse.
'We're disappointed that all of our staff were not operating to their usual high standard,' says Mr Lomax.
'We're responsible for our own staff, but questions have to be raised about the Meat Hygiene Service. There was an MHS vet in place when these incidents took place. It's a pity that they never drew them to our attention.'
For its part, the MHS says that the abattoir's owners have a clear legal responsibility for every welfare breach that occurs.
'That's why abattoirs are prosecuted when they break the law,' says MHS chief executive Mr McGrath.
The disturbing footage in the video from this Devon abattoir will leave many people wondering whether the same brutality is practised in slaughterhouses across the country - on animals raised both organically and non-organically.
Inspectors are powerless to enforce the law
Certainly, the figures for breaches in animal welfare laws make for disturbing reading.
The MHS has prosecuted 33 abattoirs and slaughterers over the past three years.
They have also ordered 166 slaughterhouses to tighten up their procedures on 455 separate occasions over the same period. That equates to three serious breaches every single week.
Given that most animal slaughtering probably occurs out of sight of a MHS inspector, that's a grim toll indeed. But even these figures may be just the tip of the iceberg. One inspector who recently left the industry told me that they are often powerless to enforce the law, even if they see routine breaches.
He said: 'If you become rigorous about enforcing the rules the slaughtermen become very aggressive. They tell you bluntly that if you're too keen, they will simply run over you with a truck or push you into a machine, but it would look like an accident.
'I wasn't prepared to take the risk, and left the industry. Many of my colleagues stayed behind and turned a blind eye.'
This may seem like an extreme claim, but even the MHS admits that the slaughterhouse can often be a 'confrontational environment' for its inspectors.
'High welfare' assurance schemes that seek to placate concerned consumers, such as the RSPCA's Freedom Food and the Soil Association's organic label, claim to offer an alternative. Animals reared under these schemes are presumed to live a happy life and die a swift and humane death.
One pig frantically tries to climb the walls of the pen
Yet the RSPCA's Freedom Food scheme - which applies to meat sold in many supermarkets - is in many ways indistinguishable from factory farming.
For example, it still allows chickens to be reared in huge intensive broiler sheds.
Flocks of 30,000 are not uncommon. And the example of Tom Lang's abattoir, which was approved by the Soil Association, shows that even the coveted 'organic' logo may not be a guarantee of cruelty-free meat.
The Soil Association's standards undoubtedly offer the best welfare for animals on British farms, but this investigation raises obvious questions about whether it is fundamentally any better for animals when they reach the slaughterhouse.
David Peace, managing director of the Soil Association's certification division, says they will investigate further.
'Our position is always that all animals, organic or not, should be slaughtered humanely and with dignity,' says Mr Peace.
'Our inspectors carry out rigorous annual inspections of certified abattoirs and a number of unannounced spot-checks. But it is the day-to-day role of the Meat Hygiene Service to ensure animal health and welfare regulations are followed.'
Animal Aid is now calling for an overhaul of the way slaughterhouses operate.
The group's director, Andrew Tyler, says: 'Slaughtermen need to be assessed to make sure that they are fit and proper people for the job. They should not have convictions for violent crimes or for cruelty to animals. In addition, all abattoirs should be fitted with CCTV so that the slaughterers know that they are being watched and have to abide by the rules.'
Perhaps footage like this will encourage a serious reassessment of the way animals are dispatched in Britain.
It should also serve as a wake-up call for all those shoppers who insist on buying organic meat - at a considerable premium - to ensure they are eating an animal which has been treated humanely from 'field to plate'.
Increasingly, it seems, that simply isn't the case.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242503/Think-going-organic-lets-eat-meat-clear-conscience-This-shocking-investigation-humane-slaughterhouse-make-think-again.html#ixzz0cQa46CSm
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I dont care how the meat gets there.Just be sure its fresh.
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I dont care how the meat gets there.Just be sure its fresh.
Billy, there's no reason to torture the animals. I'm fine with eating meat too. Getting it to my plate doesn't have to involve some fucking douchbag beating the shit out of an animal for 20 minutes. There's just no point to it. You don't have to be some vegan hippie to see that.
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fuck this hippy animal loving bullshit, give me my fucking protein.
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There's a ton of whitetails running around in the States. It's a good alternative to slaughterhouse meat. I nailed 2 bucks and a moose last season with the bow. Both freezers are full and I haven't bought red meat in over year.
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Organic meat isn't ethical meat. I prefer wild grass fed buffalo myself. Much healthier than grain/sh*t fed cattle they try to pass off as beef these days.
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in light of eyeball's recent claims this is an interesting thread subject considering jaguarenterprises is a vegetarian.
that doesn't preclude the fact that although i'm a meat eater i'd like to kick all those dickhead's asses dishing out the cruelty.
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in light of eyeball's recent claims this is an interesting thread subject considering jaguarenterprises is a vegetarian.
that doesn't preclude the fact that although i'm a meat eater i'd like to kick all those dickhead's asses dishing out the cruelty.
Does anyone really want to know how the food comes to their plate?
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We should take the Chinese approach and fry fish while they're still alive. ::)
I don't give a shit how my meat gets to the table.
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Does anyone really want to know how the food comes to their plate?
i don't want details
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Does anyone really want to know how the food comes to their plate?
Probably not but that's how this type of abuse is being done. Behind closed doors so that you can not see what exactly is being fed to or being done to these animals. I refuse to buy most American meat products. I have a few farmers i go to or i hunt for meat. The conditions, feed and just overall abuse of these animals is unnecessary. Seeing where and how my food becomes 'my food' is what gives me a clean and clear conscience knowing that i am not abusing the creatures of the earth nor am i paying anyone who is.
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Probably not but that's how this type of abuse is being done. Behind closed doors so that you can not see what exactly is being fed to or being done to these animals. I refuse to buy most American meat products. I have a few farmers i go to or i hunt for meat. The conditions, feed and just overall abuse of these animals is unnecessary. Seeing where and how my food becomes 'my food' is what gives me a clean and clear conscience knowing that i am not abusing the creatures of the earth nor am i paying anyone who is.
Good post. I am liking you more and more KC.
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We should take the Chinese approach and fry fish while they're still alive. ::)
I don't give a shit how my meat gets to the table.
chinese boiling fish or whatever they do shouldn't be a pass for everyone else. I mean, hey, at least we're not eating live monkey brains lol...
I don't care how the food gets to our plates either. Is it really about that? I mean some dude getting off on beating the shit out of animals. What's that have to do with the processing of these animals? Maybe he's tenderizing the meat for us ::) This is about some douchebags needlessly torturing animals. The point is, there's no point to it. I can't believe people are apologizing for this lowlife rat bastard.
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chinese boiling fish or whatever they do shouldn't be a pass for everyone else. I mean, hey, at least we're not eating live monkey brains lol...
I don't care how the food gets to our plates either. Is it really about that? I mean some dude getting off on beating the shit out of animals. What's that have to do with the processing of these animals? Maybe he's tenderizing the meat for us ::) This is about some douchebags needlessly torturing animals. The point is, there's no point to it. I can't believe people are apologizing for this lowlife rat bastard.
I'm not apologizing. What I'm saying is that I don't give a flying fuck.
It amazes me that people will champion the rights of animals on one day and then shrug off a murderer or bombing or anything like that.the next. Now I'm not saying that's you but a lot people in general do this. Like the dog fighting shit. People wanted Vick to get the death penalty or sentenced to life in prison but then they'll turn around and argue that a 60 year sentence for rape is too long. ::)
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There's no nice way to kill an animal if you wanna eat it but for fucks sake, whats with the sadistic behavior? I don't give a shit if its "only" a lamb or a pig, anyone that doesn't see anything wrong with individuals who get off on inflicting unnecessary pain to defensless animals needs to get some help.
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Billy, there's no reason to torture the animals.
From what I understand animals who are under stress produces lots of cortisol and other hormones that stains the meat when we eat it.
so 'happy' beef is supposedly better than beef from cattle that was stressed.
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From what I understand animals who are under stress produces lots of cortisol and other hormones that stains the meat when we eat it.
so 'happy' beef is supposedly better than beef from cattle that was stressed.
Exactly. I think treating an animal that you're going to eat in that fashion is like shitting on your plate.
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author=Hugo Chavez link=topic=314315.msg4486667#msg4486667 date=1263345297]
chinese boiling fish or whatever they do shouldn't be a pass for everyone else. I mean, hey, at least we're not eating live monkey brains lol...
Ooooh a delicacy ... when was the last time you indulged? Did you have the quick frozen sorbet brains or the traditional monkey brain covered with testicle broth?... :P :P :P
I don't care how the food gets to our plates either. Is it really about that? I mean some dude getting off on beating the shit out of animals. What's that have to do with the processing of these animals? Maybe he's tenderizing the meat for us ::) This is about some douchebags needlessly torturing animals. The point is, there's no point to it. I can't believe people are apologizing for this lowlife rat bastard.
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Billy, there's no reason to torture the animals. I'm fine with eating meat too. Getting it to my plate doesn't have to involve some fucking douchbag beating the shit out of an animal for 20 minutes. There's just no point to it. You don't have to be some vegan hippie to see that.
Yep, after watching "Food Inc" we've been going to a real nice local butcher (with a good local supplier)... :o
Not really too much more expensive either...
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Hippies should really STFU about this crap. None of the meat we typically eat comes from volunteer animals or those that have died from old age.
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Ooooh a delicacy ... when was the last time you indulged? Did you have the quick frozen sorbet brains or the traditional monkey brain covered with testicle broth?... :P :P :P
Just want to point out this classic post in true jaguarenterprises "faux cultured" fashion!
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yea and I don't give a fuck about hippie vegans either. what's this have to do with beating the snot out of animals for no reason? I shouldn't care because it'll piss off hippies? go team animal cruelty!
Never heard of tenderizing? :)
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Just want to point out this classic post in true jaguarenterprises "faux cultured" fashion!
hahaahaah...Here we go again.... Typical american who hasn't figured out what his dick is for, but has everything else in the bag...OK EC
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Would anyone here accept a significantly higher cost of meat if it ensured that the animals were humanely treated and killed?
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Would anyone here accept a significantly higher cost of meat if it ensured that the animals were humanely treated and killed?
What does the cost have to do with having a moron torturing the animal?
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What does the cost have to do with having a moron torturing the animal?
Simple, you'd need better monitoring systems, laws, regulation etc. to makes sure it doesn't happen. Which would cost money in the way of taxation thus raising the cost of beef, pork and chicken.
So my question is, is it worth it to anyone?
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Simple, you'd need better monitoring systems, laws, regulation etc. to makes sure it doesn't happen.
and we know how well that worked in other area's.
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I'm not saying anything is or isn't needed.
As it stands now this kind of inhumane/cruel treatment is going to happen. To prevent it will cost money. Is it worth it to anyone?
(I can see someone is still butt hurt HAHAHAHAHAHAHA)
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As it stands now this kind of inhumane/cruel treatment is going to happen. To prevent it will cost money. Is it worth it to anyone?
The problem is with the person doing the slaughtering. No amount of money is going to stop a depraved person from torturing the animals. Monitoring is going to be done by who, whom or what? The depraved person will find a way to torture the animal regardless. You should watch THE FUTURE OF FOOD. Insane how animals are slaughtered, butchered etc. Even sick, diseased animals are shown no mercy. And if the animals is not absolutely compliant on his way to the slaughter house it is struck on the head with this pneumatic hammer, dragged by hooks (while the animal fights the whole time) to machines that decapitate it ..Ugh..the whole process is deplorable.
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The problem is with the person doing the slaughtering. No amount of money is going to stop a depraved person from torturing the animals. Monitoring is going to be done by who, whom or what? The depraved person will find a way to torture the animal regardless. You should watch THE FUTURE OF FOOD. Insane how animals are slaughtered, butchered etc. Even sick, diseased animals are shown no mercy. And if the animals is not absolutely compliant on his way to the slaughter house it is struck on the head with this pneumatic hammer, dragged by hooks (while the animal fights the whole time) to machines that decapitate it ..Ugh..the whole process is deplorable.
I've seen a few vids on stuff like this. My son has been a vegetarian for about a year. He showed me one vid where cow's throats were cut by a machine and you could see they were alive for a few minutes after. Seems fairly inhumane to me. I agree deplorable.
I also agree, it would be hard to stop every person who would torture animals but i think it could be done to the extent of curbing much of the abuses that go on now.
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The problem is with the person doing the slaughtering. No amount of money is going to stop a depraved person from torturing the animals. Monitoring is going to be done by who, whom or what? The depraved person will find a way to torture the animal regardless.
This is pretty much it. There are no guarantees for the extra money.
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This is pretty much it. There are no guarantees for the extra money.
That's never stopped a government project! ;D
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It's not going to cost anyone anything to notice that much ::)
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It would ruin their hardcore image. ::)
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That's never stopped a government project! ;D
Don't get 333386 started.
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I agree it's wrong. I just posed the question to discuss a trade off to a solution. I want to know if its worth it to anyone. I don't think it's worth it to me to have some government regulation or crap like that, that would increase overall costs.
That's being said, I would and have no problem paying a little extra for free range chicken, organic beef etc. (from a private enterprise) that would guarantee the humane treatment of these animals.
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In the end it's a non-issue. This occurs everywhere in the world, will continue to occur and will never be completely erased. Might as well get used to it or stop eating meat. I know I love my burgers.
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Grilled Steak.
nuff said. ;D
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whats the humane way to kill an animal?
I understand that needless torture is horrible but seriously if an animal on the way to get slaughtered isnt cooperating wtf is wrong with slaughtering that animal right there?
LOL you ppl should go hunting and learn how to skin an animal maybe that would give you a better understanding of things. Killing isnt humane and no matter what precautions are taken or how "humane" things are made there are always going to be ppl that bitch...
and hugo you were right their posts in this thread have shown their true colors :o ;D
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lol, if someone has to inflict a 20 minute beatdown to control a pig, the problem isn't with the pig. He probably got off on it. probably tortured animals when he was a kid.
no doubt but the first pick in the article doesnt look like the guy is doing anything more than trying to control the animal.
Agreed that torture is horrible and the sadistic ppl that take part in it should be dealt with but you probably gotta be somewhat abnormal to take a job like that in the first place so should we be surprised?
LOL you ppl must think hunting is inhumane as well, they dont get bonked on the head before they get shot... ::)
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The problem is with the person doing the slaughtering. No amount of money is going to stop a depraved person from torturing the animals. Monitoring is going to be done by who, whom or what? The depraved person will find a way to torture the animal regardless. You should watch THE FUTURE OF FOOD. Insane how animals are slaughtered, butchered etc. Even sick, diseased animals are shown no mercy. And if the animals is not absolutely compliant on his way to the slaughter house it is struck on the head with this pneumatic hammer, dragged by hooks (while the animal fights the whole time) to machines that decapitate it ..Ugh..the whole process is deplorable.
And yet you support abortion.AMAZING!
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So my question is, is it worth it to anyone?
Yes
whats the humane way to kill an animal?
I don't know much about it but have heard something about Kosher being the "humane" way to slaughter an animal.
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First, I hunt and fish for a lot of my own food.
Second, this is bullshit...it is disgusting that people will beat animals for the hell of it. It doesn't matter if the animal is getting ready to be slaughtered...there is no reason to do what that sick fuck is doing. No reason at all.
Not only that, but is does raise cortisol in the animals which can and does throw the taste off. That's one reason why it's so important for a good shot on a game animal. First of which is a quick humane kill.
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First, I hunt and fish for a lot of my own food.
Second, this is bullshit...it is disgusting that people will beat animals for the hell of it. It doesn't matter if the animal is getting ready to be slaughtered...there is no reason to do what that sick fuck is doing. No reason at all.
Not only that, but is does raise cortisol in the animals which can and does throw the taste off. That's one reason why it's so important for a good shot on a game animal. First of which is a quick humane kill.
Care to send me some Buffalo meat?
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Care to send me some Buffalo meat?
I'm in South Carolina not South Dakota...hogs and deer is what our game animals are. Some turkey and dove too...maybe a rabbit every now and again. ;D
Wild hog is the shiznit though!!!
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Yes
I don't know much about it but have heard something about Kosher being the "humane" way to slaughter an animal.
I learned in a food class that kosher involves slitting an animal's throat without stunning it in order to make sure that it completely bleeds out. The method of stunning the animal first occasionally kills the animal which can make it harder to get all the blood out.
But then again, humans have been killing animals for meat in that manner for thousands of years now so I guess one can argue that is the most humane way to do it.
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First, I hunt and fish for a lot of my own food.
Second, this is bullshit...it is disgusting that people will beat animals for the hell of it. It doesn't matter if the animal is getting ready to be slaughtered...there is no reason to do what that sick fuck is doing. No reason at all.
Not only that, but is does raise cortisol in the animals which can and does throw the taste off. That's one reason why it's so important for a good shot on a game animal. First of which is a quick humane kill.
agreed my point was along the lines of things ppl complained about in this thread, slaughtering an uncooperative animal on the way to get slaughtered...really? ::)
look at that first pic and tell me that couldnt be that guy just trying to control the animal in order to stun it?
ppl are always going to bitch there are ppl that would ban us from hunting it just depends on where you fall on the spectrum.
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I don't know much about it but have heard something about Kosher being the "humane" way to slaughter an animal.
Iono seems a pretty gruesome way to go, having your throat slit...and there are even animal rights activists who oppose kosher slaughtering as well.
interesting side note though, A buddy of mine went to a HBU a baptist university here in houston in which they had to take a number of religious related courses in addition to their regular course work.
He said that a possible reason that meat need be "kosher" has to stem from disease. An animal that dies of "natural causes" may very well have died of a disease and an animal that was "torn" or eating by wild animals may very well carry disease too.
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One thing i read somewhere or heard is that they stop feeding the animals a few days before they kill them because they found it makes no difference to their weight when killed. So basically, they stave them, then cut their throats. And chickens, are kept in cages with many others chickens. A comparison was made to a person being born in a elevator with 16 or so other people in it, and living there its whole life until a few days before it's slaughtered where its food is cut off too.
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One thing i read somewhere or heard is that they stop feeding the animals a few days before they kill them because they found it makes no difference to their weight when killed. So basically, they stave them, then cut their throats. And chickens, are kept in cages with many others chickens. A comparison was made to a person being born in a elevator with 16 or so other people in it, and living there its whole life until a few days before it's slaughtered where its food is cut off too.
gotta love chicken fingers.
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gotta love chicken fingers.
Fried chicken..... Marinated in butter milk, seasoned and cooked in iron pan.
One of Satan's temptation tools
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And yet you support abortion.AMAZING!
SUPPORT ABORTION!?!?!!?!?...I DON'T support abortion at all. Given all of the ways to prevent pregnancy which costs pennies in some cases, I feel any woman who does this is guilty of murder and should be treated as any murderer. My opinion only changes in the cases of incest, rape or those taking advantage of very young...and in those cases the cleansing must be done IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE ACT IS COMMITTED. Don't come 3 months or more afterward and claim rape or incest, because any woman experiencing such a violent act would NOT want to become pregnant on top of that....and she certainly would have announced/reported the rape immediately after the act. If she waits that long (months), then the rape was not rape...
Now don't derail my thread with nonsense...stay on the topic of the asshole who violate the reality of organically raised livestock
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Good post. I am liking you more and more KC.
Did you say KFC?
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How did I even get mentioned in this thread? I haven't posted here previously, ...and I'm a vegetarian. ???
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when palin wins in 2012, there will be wilderness wolf on all our plates! You'll also get a tax break for shooting animals from helicopters.
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How did I even get mentioned in this thread? I haven't posted here previously, ...and I'm a vegetarian. ???
ha ha lame
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It's fun to waste time on something that will never change! ::)
Look at me, I'm playing the world's smallest violin.
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I'm not a bleeding heart or anything, but there's really no need to beat the shit out of the animals. I'm sure that they're so jacked up they don't feel it, but still. Just kill them the way you're supposed to. If there's something that's a nuisance with their current protocols (perhaps it's too slow and arduous) then appeal to someone until a "better way" is passed.
Just seems like more of a cluster fuck to chase sketched out, jacked up animals that are shocked and tripping balls in and out of consciousness.