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Title: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Marty Champions on January 25, 2010, 07:27:07 PM

tribulation=noitalubirt=no it al u b i rt="Know it all you be eye art"

ill say it once ill say it again we are all one and connected , you better KNOW that there is a god because whatever your artform may be, you better make damn sure you have some sort of righteous pact with god
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: K-1 on January 25, 2010, 07:34:37 PM
"I'd rather live my whole life assuming there is a God, only to find out that there isn't, than to live my whole life assuming there isn't a God, only to find out there is." - Peter Barry
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Marty Champions on January 25, 2010, 07:42:47 PM
"I'd rather live my whole life assuming there is a God, only to find out that there isn't, than to live my whole life assuming there isn't a God, only to find out there is." - Peter Barry

yes people that assume there isnt a god probably are either alot of things

1 really sad and lonley
2 must be around another person for sanity
3 has a real quiet mind, too quite for me
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: che on January 25, 2010, 07:45:39 PM
yes people that assume there isnt a god probably are either alot of things

1 really sad and lonley
2 must be around another person for sanity
3 has a real quiet mind, too quite for me


4 they are not brainwashed
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: MAXX on January 25, 2010, 07:49:29 PM
But how do I know which religion is the right one?

Islam, Hindu, Buddism, Christianity etc.. ???   :'(





 
 ;D




Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: K-1 on January 25, 2010, 07:52:14 PM
yes people that assume there isnt a god probably are either alot of things

1 really sad and lonley
2 must be around another person for sanity
3 has a real quiet mind, too quite for me

I had a priest once tell me in college. Throughout his services he's said the people that have the most difficult time dealing with death are those who have no belief system/ universal philosophical meaning of life..etc. A loved one dies and that's pretty much it in their world...they struggle with it.

I'd much rather believe that person is in a better place. They were promoted in some sort. He mentioned many of them covert to Catholicism to deal with it. He's a roman priest. I'm not catholic. I'm baptist..but it's all the same he says...cahtholic, baptist, Buddha, Allah...whatever...same universal philosophy of life...we just call them something different.

very open minded priest.
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: che on January 25, 2010, 07:54:45 PM
...they struggle with it.

Not true
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: chaos on January 25, 2010, 08:00:35 PM
tribulation=noitalubirt=no it al u b i rt="Know it all you be eye art"

ill say it once ill say it again we are all one and connected , you better KNOW that there is a god because whatever your artform may be, you better make damn sure you have some sort of righteous pact with god

What Adonis thinks of you and your beliefs.........

I don`t tolerate or respect ANY religion or any belief in the supernatural.

Cumstain.  I have equal disdain for Christianity.

Is he a lost soul?
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Marty Champions on January 25, 2010, 08:23:38 PM
What Adonis thinks of you and your beliefs.........

Is he a lost soul?

Adonis purposly ignores signs of god out of fear of what it might reveal possibly, however he could be lieng :) to perpetrate his online persona for personal gain  ;)

Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: outby43 on January 25, 2010, 08:27:39 PM
you know,  we do have a religion board here.
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: The True Adonis on January 25, 2010, 08:30:49 PM
Adonis purposly ignores signs of god out of fear of what it might reveal possibly, however he could be lieng :) to perpetrate his online persona for personal gain  ;)


No. I think only a moron would revel and be satisfied at not understanding the world.  I feel really sorry for you Johnny because you are a deeply disturbed individual and believing in this type of supernatural nonsense will only pervert and cloud your mind further.

Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Rami on January 25, 2010, 08:34:59 PM
No. I think only a moron would revel and be satisfied at not understanding the world.  I feel really sorry for you Johnny because you are a disturbed individual and believing in this type of supernatural nonsense will only pervert and cloud your mind further.

Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.


But we can't even comprehend  or fully explain how our own consciousness work and where it come from. Then how can you be definite about how the universe works and what it is and say that there is no higher power?
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: The True Adonis on January 25, 2010, 08:43:25 PM
But we can't even comprehend  or fully explain how our own consciousness work and where it come from. Then how can you be definite about how the universe works and what it is and say that there is no higher power?
Consciousness is easily explainable due to brains becoming larger and skull size increasing.  This holds true for all animals as Homo sapiens are certainly not the only species to exhibit consciousness or even self-consciousness.  Your dog would be aghast to think you don`t even recognize his mental prowess.

Also, if a question does not yet have an answer or is not discovered yet, it is completely all right to say "We do not know yet" rather than make the leap in false logic and attribute or assign said question with a dissatisfying, non-factual, nonsensical irrational and pointless origin or summation based on zero evidence.

Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Rami on January 25, 2010, 08:47:22 PM
Consciousness is easily explainable due to brains becoming larger and skull size increasing.  This holds true for all animals as Homo sapiens are certainly not the only species to exhibit consciousness or even self-consciousness.  Your dog would be aghast to think you don`t even recognize his mental prowess.

Also, if a question does not yet have an answer or is not discovered yet, it is completely all right to say "We do not know yet" rather than make the leap in false logic and attribute or assign said question with a dissatisfying, non-factual, nonsensical irrational and pointless origin or summation.



But why do we comprehend our consciousness, it could just as well function on an automatic level like machines?
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: The True Adonis on January 25, 2010, 08:50:03 PM
But why do we comprehend our consciousness, it could just as well function on an automatic level like machines?
Its beneficial for survival and the genes that have risen and survived as a result have propagated.
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: The True Adonis on January 25, 2010, 08:50:42 PM
But why do we comprehend our consciousness, it could just as well function on an automatic level like machines?
Carl can help you understand a bit.

Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Marty Champions on January 25, 2010, 08:55:22 PM
No. I think only a moron would revel and be satisfied at not understanding the world.  I feel really sorry for you Johnny because you are a deeply disturbed individual and believing in this type of supernatural nonsense will only pervert and cloud your mind further.

Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.


ok if thats supernatural, what is the natural definition/understanding of this existance, you will say science, well science shows how deep space is and how there is a certain order among us and the universe, then can you not agree that this order among MANY things is not god? or is there another word you would use other than mass organization?
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Rami on January 25, 2010, 08:55:38 PM
Its beneficial for survival and the genes that have risen as a result have propagated.

yes but to me there seams to be an extra redundant part of the consciousness mechanism, the fact that it registers somewhere (with us). What goes on in our mind and what we reflect over it could just as well been taken place on a non awakened or automatic level. But maybe that's what I said before, hard to explain it better.
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: The True Adonis on January 25, 2010, 08:56:34 PM
ok if thats supernatural, what is the natural definition/understanding of this existance, you will say science, well science shows how deep space is and how there is a certain order among us and the universe, then can you not agree that this order among MANY things is not god? or is there another word you would use other than mass organization?
The Universe is rather chaotic and not ordered. 
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Marty Champions on January 25, 2010, 09:07:29 PM
The Universe is rather chaotic and not ordered. 

dont be so silly THE EARTH HAS SEASONS THAT IS ORDER   :) the brain seeks order and attains it, all the things in space have and order as to how they come about universes are created in an order , the thing is we cant quite yet see far back enough in light years to see how the "big bang" began but we are getting closer *the farther you are away the further back u look in time*,
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Rami on January 25, 2010, 09:09:18 PM
The Universe is rather chaotic and not ordered. 

But it looks very ordered http://www.universalunity.net/elements.htm
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Marty Champions on January 25, 2010, 09:14:01 PM
But it looks very ordered http://www.universalunity.net/elements.htm

im sure adonis has gone to bed, this is too much for heym  :P
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Rami on January 25, 2010, 09:17:51 PM
im sure adonis has gone to bed, this is too much for heym  :P

Yes we gave him a lot to think about now :D


Don't be troubled by this Addonis, maybe it will further your mind?  :)
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: chris-a on January 26, 2010, 02:23:29 AM
'god - you can't see him 'cos he ain't there'
case closed.
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Marty Champions on January 26, 2010, 06:35:17 AM
'god - you can't see him 'cos he ain't there'
case closed.

god made something like 144 elements on the periodic table , if he changed one or two things it would inflict mayhem upon us and we probably wouldnt exist or exist in a much different way probably much more painful, we live in a relatively painless life many of us take that for granted
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Samourai Pizzacat on January 26, 2010, 07:19:03 AM
"I'd rather live my whole life assuming there is a God, only to find out that there isn't, than to live my whole life assuming there isn't a God, only to find out there is." - Peter Barry

He does not explore all possible options.
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: D_1000 on January 26, 2010, 11:37:32 AM
"Know it all you be eye art"

Gesundheit.
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Marty Champions on January 26, 2010, 04:20:45 PM
The Universe is rather chaotic and not ordered. 

so the elements of the periodic table have no order?

what is chaotic is your emotions that you portray on here always insulting anyone who beleives in god
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Mr Nobody on January 26, 2010, 04:30:18 PM
The full moon is coming this weekend Falcon
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2010, 04:34:42 PM
so the elements of the periodic table have no order?

what is chaotic is your emotions that you portray on here always insulting anyone who beleives in god

I have no respect for those who willfully display such stupidity.  Religion should not be treated with any kind of special respect as it does nothing other than to teach you to how not to understand the world around you.
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Bodybuilding Related on January 26, 2010, 04:36:09 PM
Consciousness is easily explainable due to brains becoming larger and skull size increasing.  This holds true for all animals as Homo sapiens are certainly not the only species to exhibit consciousness or even self-consciousness.  Your dog would be aghast to think you don`t even recognize his mental prowess.

Also, if a question does not yet have an answer or is not discovered yet, it is completely all right to say "We do not know yet" rather than make the leap in false logic and attribute or assign said question with a dissatisfying, non-factual, nonsensical irrational and pointless origin or summation based on zero evidence.



What if our beliefs are what shape our future realities?  What if science is leaning towards the identification of a God?  Why then wouldn't it be ok to say that you do not know if there is a god or not, instead of being so bent on proclaiming that there is definitely no god?     
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2010, 04:56:03 PM
What if our beliefs are what shape our future realities?  What if science is leaning towards the identification of a God?  Why then wouldn't it be ok to say that you do not know if there is a god or not, instead of being so bent on proclaiming that there is definitely no god?     
You are acting and putting forth the bullshit,untrue, evidence-free and totally nonsensical hypothesis that god already exists with your ridiculous statement "leaning towards the identification of a God".

You are starting out with an illogical conclusion without any evidence whatsoever and treating it as fact.

Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Marty Champions on January 26, 2010, 05:01:46 PM
I have no respect for those who willfully display such stupidity.  Religion should not be treated with any kind of special respect as it does nothing other than to teach you to how not to understand the world around you.

no one is saying close off your ears and eyes and just follow a religion. youve already closed these off because you feel like you know there is no god and any evidence of order hurts your case and your personal feelings because you are not getting your way young man

youve already stated the universe has no order, thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard, but i know you like this sort of topic, its the only type of topic you like to get into because deep down you have not forgiven god for your current state in life, but deep down you beleive in a god and try your little heart out on an internet forum trying to dismiss him with mainly insults with no backing

you dont want to understand the world and its order that is all around you
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Marty Champions on January 26, 2010, 05:04:03 PM
You are acting and putting forth the bullshit,untrue, evidence-free and totally nonsensical hypothesis that god already exists with your ridiculous statement "leaning towards the identification of a God".

You are starting out with an illogical conclusion without any evidence whatsoever and treating it as fact.



god=order, understanding this order is understanding god, just like its typical that a person that does bad things and bad things will come back to him, or the order of the human body if you eat a certain way you will get sick ect

this order is keeping your ass alive for another day

in your gloomy world if order didnt really then the probabilty of sudden death would be much greater, be thankful that there is order already in place in your body designed by god
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: WillGrant on January 26, 2010, 05:04:33 PM
The full moon is coming this weekend Falcon
This is why im getting hairy
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Marty Champions on January 26, 2010, 05:13:45 PM
adonis do you agree that bad people tend to have more bad shit that comes back to them?

even alot of godless people beleive in karma, and this beleif is proof of their beleif in a higher order

i know u beleive in god you just have an inferiority complex wich makes you deny god because you think your non fact based evidence is the answer, aka calling people stupid and saying everything is random and has no order, please explain yourself without insulting could you?
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Mr Nobody on January 26, 2010, 05:15:39 PM
adonis do you agree that bad people tend to have more bad shit that comes back to them?

even alot of godless people beleive in karma, and this beleif is proof of their beleif in a higher order
do unto others as you would have them do unto you. karma is a bitch
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Marty Champions on January 26, 2010, 05:19:03 PM
do unto others as you would have them do unto you. karma is a bitch

u beleive in god if you beleive in karma right? its amazing how adonis doesnt get it, i guess this is why he is only 5'10  ;D chalk that up as an insult to king adonis  :P
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
god=order, understanding this order is understanding god, just like its typical that a person that does bad things and bad things will come back to him, or the order of the human body if you eat a certain way you will get sick ect

this order is keeping your ass alive for another day

in your gloomy world if order didnt really then the probabilty of sudden death would be much greater, be thankful that there is order already in place in your body designed by god
Your argument is not only juvenile its flat out idiotic.  What do you think of the Billions and Billions of planets not in a Goldilocks zone?  Your perception of any kind of "order" is mere illusion, anthropocentric in nature and is completely useless.

From a design perspective the Universe is incredibly flawed and chaotic.  

Furthermore, I can`t tell you how excited I am when I wake up everyday and realize that each day is to be filled learning, researching and engaging in the cosmos.  I am sorry you are trying to project your gloomy and dim outlook.  I find living thrilling.



Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2010, 05:34:10 PM
adonis do you agree that bad people tend to have more bad shit that comes back to them?

even alot of godless people beleive in karma, and this beleif is proof of their beleif in a higher order

i know u beleive in god you just have an inferiority complex wich makes you deny god because you think your non fact based evidence is the answer, aka calling people stupid and saying everything is random and has no order, please explain yourself without insulting could you?
No such thing as Karma or Leprechauns or fairies or Unicorns.  Your friend Rush Limbaugh is a terrible person and nothing bad is happening to him.  (Just thought I would add that in there since you worship such a miserable and ill-informed knuckle-dragger)

I don`t believe in god, any god, your god or any of it.  Never say that I do because in doing so, you are only furthering your ignorance in starting out with an illogical conclusion and believing it to be true for no other reason than your own ineptitude.

Sorry, belief in the absence of evidence (faith) or in spite of evidence is pure lunacy and deserves to be called what it is, which is stupid.  As long as you continue to perpetuate this, you too are acting stupidly.

Life results from the non-random survival (natural selection) of randomly varying replicators.  
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Marty Champions on January 26, 2010, 05:36:20 PM
Your argument is not only juvenile its flat out idiotic.  What do you think of the Billions and Billions of planets not in a Goldilocks zone?  Your perception of any kind of "order" is mere illusion, anthropocentric in nature and is completely useless.

From a design perspective the Universe is incredibly flawed and chaotic.  

Furthermore, I can`t tell you how excited I am when I wake up everyday and realize that each day is to be filled learning, researching and engaging in the cosmos.  I am sorry you are trying to project your gloomy and dim outlook.  I find living thrilling.







for every billion of planets that isnt in a specific zone there are probably billions more that is, can you admit your wrong by this justification?

how can you say the universe from a design perspective is flawed? What makes you cheif designer?

lastley you trying to persuade me that life is thrilling, i firmly agree with you on that, you dont have to get on her and cut people down that you assume have no factual backing for anything they say, sure there maybe 1000's of things we dont know as to why things are but that doesnt mean that there isnt a reason for each and everyone of those things, nothing is the same for one, even your entire skeleton is completley new and/or differnt in about 10 years. there is a constant orderd movement going on, Just try to get along adonis, that is best for us.,i like how you seem greatful adonis and thats good -the first step is loving ourselves and peace be with you
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: AVBG on January 26, 2010, 05:45:07 PM
What I don't believe is a 159lb dude doing 100 rep deadlifts with 225 on the bar..prove that Adam!
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2010, 05:49:08 PM
for every billion of planets that isnt in a specific zone there are probably billions more that is, can you admit your wrong by this justification?

how can you say the universe from a design perspective is flawed? What makes you cheif designer?

lastley you trying to persuade me that life is thrilling, i firmly agree with you on that, you dont have to get on her and cut people down that you assume have no factual backing for anything they say, sure there maybe 1000's of things we dont know as to why things are but that doesnt mean that there isnt a reason for each and everyone of those things, nothing is the same for one, even your entire skeleton is completley new and/or differnt in about 10 years. there is a constant orderd movement going on, Just try to get along adonis, that is best for us.,i like how you seem greatful adonis and thats good -the first step is loving ourselves and peace be with you

Oh, I can certainly get a long fine with you and I would even be your friend and do anything I could for you.  That still does not change my stance on your religion or penchant for believing dogmatic principles in lieu of evidence.  

Billions and Billions in or out of a Goldilocks Zones is not and indication of grand order whatsoever so I Do not understand the logical underpinnings of your above statement whatsoever.

You think you see order but all you are noticing, or cherry-picking I should say, are patterns.  Simplistic ones at that which have no bearing or basis when applied to the entire Cosmos.
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2010, 05:50:14 PM
What I don't believe is a 159lb dude doing 100 rep deadlifts with 225 on the bar..prove that Adam!
I can`t prove that under such conditions.  I am 184 lbs.  ;)
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: The True Adonis on January 26, 2010, 05:51:34 PM
What I don't believe is a 159lb dude doing 100 rep deadlifts with 225 on the bar..prove that Adam!
I don`t believe in RXMuscle banning me for posting a picture of an Obese Female "bodybuilder".
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Marty Champions on January 26, 2010, 06:46:43 PM
Oh, I can certainly get a long fine with you and I would even be your friend and do anything I could for you.  That still does not change my stance on your religion or penchant for believing dogmatic principles in lieu of evidence.  

Billions and Billions in or out of a Goldilocks Zones is not and indication of grand order whatsoever so I Do not understand the logical underpinnings of your above statement whatsoever.

You think you see order but all you are noticing, or cherry-picking I should say, are patterns.  Simplistic ones at that which have no bearing or basis when applied to the entire Cosmos.

and what are patterns?

patterns are math/statistical data and predictable, wich is high order wich is god, you fail to see the relation , a pattern is a way of documenting a data

kinda like an arcade machine that is "out of order" the "motherboard" is probably fucked up in the game?

a "pattern for a skirt" a series of geometirical designs on a skirt wich is math as well


you cant avoid god and order you must obey



Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: Tombo on January 26, 2010, 07:05:58 PM
just live your life for the people around you clowns

and yes i will tell you how to live your life.
Title: Re: The 7 year tribulation . Failcantized
Post by: AVBG on January 27, 2010, 12:38:36 AM
I can`t prove that under such conditions.  I am 184 lbs.  ;)

I couldn't believe it either?