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Love him or hate him, this is pure brilliance.
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Whether you agree with him or not, you can not dispute that he is damn good at what he does.
Consider his Ratings, plus the fact his show airs at 4 pm (central time)
CABLE NEWS RACE
TUES., JAN., 26, 2010
FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,581,000
FOXNEWS BECK 3,196,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 3,133,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,624,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,415,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 2,187,000
CNNHN BEHAR 949,000
CNNHN GRACE 914,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 818,000
CNN KING 796,000
MSNBC MADDOW 726,000
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Whether you agree with him or not, you can not dispute that he is damn good at what he does.
Consider his Ratings, plus the fact his show airs at 4 pm (central time)
CABLE NEWS RACE
TUES., JAN., 26, 2010
FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,581,000
FOXNEWS BECK 3,196,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 3,133,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,624,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,415,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 2,187,000
CNNHN BEHAR 949,000
CNNHN GRACE 914,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 818,000
CNN KING 796,000
MSNBC MADDOW 726,000
Jerry Springer Beat Oprahfor a couple of years...Just trying to put it all in perspective
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Jerry Springer Beat Oprahfor a couple of years...Just trying to put it all in perspective
Did you watch the clip Mal - yes or no?
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Did you watch the clip Mal - yes or no?
Absolutley not. He has lost all credibility with his previous antics.Also, he has no formal education and his brand of "news" is not what i waste my brain power on. His outlandish linkings. "Obama=Osama...so you see the similarities people.....Pauses and looks at camera see...im just a simple american who is worried about the road my country is going down "queue the tears"
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Absolutley not. He has lost all credibility with his previous antics.Also, he has no formal education and his brand of "news" is not what i waste my brain power on. His outlandish linkings. "Obama=Osama...so you see the similarities people.....Pauses and looks at camera see...im just a simple american who is worried about the road my country is going down "queue the tears"
Than why are you even commenting?
This clip was pure brilliance in dissecting the Stimulus Bill and you wont even watch.
Go figure.
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Jerry Springer Beat Oprahfor a couple of years...Just trying to put it all in perspective
Obama will be a one term President....Just trying to put it all in perspective
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Actually, this is still my favorite moment of his:
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"Get off my phone!" I love the guy. :D ;D
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Hugo posted a great Glen Beck clip I was never able to find where he screams about global warming. Hysterical.
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Than why are you even commenting?
This clip was pure brilliance in dissecting the Stimulus Bill and you wont even watch.
Go figure.
I comment because i was responding how somehow people on here equate ratings with credibility. Which is why i said even Jerry Springer beat out Oprah a couple years..
But i would like to add...I have seen enough of this uneducated Beck character to determine that he has run out of journalistic credit with most of his implications. So i dont have to watch a clip of this character in order to get the gist of what he says. I dont like wasting brain power on Beck, i rather try to figure out if the chicken or egg came first. He is a character but many people (including you) take him seriously.. So actually the joke is on you bro ham
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Absolutley not. He has lost all credibility with his previous antics.Also, he has no formal education and his brand of "news" is not what i waste my brain power on. His outlandish linkings. "Obama=Osama...so you see the similarities people.....Pauses and looks at camera see...im just a simple american who is worried about the road my country is going down "queue the tears"
And yet you have stated on here that you think Maddow is bright.Id say that proves YOU have lost all credibility.
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And yet you have stated on here that you think Maddow is bright.Id say that proves YOU have lost all credibility.
Madcow COULD NEVER pull off what Beck did in the video I posted above.
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And yet you have stated on here that you think Maddow is bright.Id say that proves YOU have lost all credibility.
Rachel Maddow-Education B.A., Stanford University D.Phil, Oxford University
Glen Beck - Education Sehome High School
um ok
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Rachel Maddow-Education B.A., Stanford University D.Phil, Oxford University
Glen Beck - Education Sehome High School
um ok
Watch the clip I posted Mal. Tell me honestly if Mad Cow could pull that off.
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Watch the clip I posted Mal. Tell me honestly if Mad Cow could pull that off.
pull what off...she is a good fact based journalist. Beck is a fear mongering character that has a following of idiots who predetermine their stance without the burden of facts. You know it and i know it. All of his credit as a News Man is out the door when he starts crying.
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pull what off...she is a good fact based journalist. Beck is a fear mongering character that has a following of idiots who predetermine their stance without the burden of facts. You know it and i know it. All of his credit as a News Man is out the door when he starts crying.
Again, you wont watch it and are making a determination based on what?
He dissected the Stim Bill ON THE FACTS in a way that was pure brilliance.
BTW - your girl Madcow was the first to accuse the VRWC of killing that census worker WITH NO FACTS remember that one?
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Again, you wont watch it and are making a determination based on what?
He dissected the Stim Bill ON THE FACTS in a way that was pure brilliance.
BTW - your girl Madcow was the first to accuse the VRWC of killing that census worker WITH NO FACTS remember that one?
Please, please tell me you arent comparing the journalism quality of Beck and Maddow...
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Please, please tell me you arent comparing the journalism quality of Beck and Maddow...
Of course not, Beck has done more investigative journalism this past year alone than Mad Cow has doner in her entire career.
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Of course not, Beck has done more investigative journalism this past year alone than Mad Cow has doner in her entire career.
ok. ..i will never take a view yours seriously ever.
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ok. ..i will never take a view yours seriously ever.
Ok. Lets compare the two:
Beck:
Exposed Van Jones for being an admitted communist and marxist.
Exposed Anita Dunn for the being a Maoist
Exposed Andy Stern and the SEIU influences in the WH
Exposed thje radical policy positions of Sunstein, Holdren, Lloyd et al
Exposed the corruption behind who wrote the Stimulus Bill
Exposed Acorn for their fraudulent ways.
MadCow:
Accused the VRWC for killing a census worker - FALSE!
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ok. ..i will never take a view yours seriously ever.
I never thought you did anyway.However,Maddow is off the air on the radio and Beck is going stronger then ever.
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I didn't know we judge people by their level of education. Even though Maddow is formally educated doesn't make her news program any more "news worthy" then Beck's. It's an asinine comparison to make...education doesn't equal intelligence. It's getting old that people use that to discredit or insult people.
Beck is entertaining at least. Olbermann and Maddow...not so much.
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I didn't know we judge people by their level of education. Even though Maddow is formally educated doesn't make her news program any more "news worthy" then Beck's. It's an asinine comparison to make...education doesn't equal intelligence. It's getting old that people use that to discredit or insult people.
Beck is entertaining at least. Olbermann and Maddow...not so much.
People end college grad school anywhere from 22 to 30 years old.
What is if a guy like Beck spends his years of 18 - 45 reading, researching, etc.
How can anyone say he may or may not be any more or less intelligent than the person who went to school and stopped researching and reading at 22 y/o?
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People end college grad school anywhere from 22 to 30 years old.
What is if a guy like Beck spends his years of 18 - 45 reading, researching, etc.
How can anyone say he may or may not be any more or less intelligent than the person who went to school and stopped researching and reading at 22 y/o?
Exactly my point...most college grads these days still care more about Jersey Shore then the corruption on BOTH sides of the isle. It's fucking disgusting...yet we still put these folks on a pedestal because they "have a degree". Olberman is a college educated douche, and so is O'Reilly etc.
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stunning
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stunning
Like what Mal? Care to address my argument.
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Like what Mal? Care to address my argument.
absolutley not.. you can listen to an uneducated blowhard.. but there were a couple of shows i tried to watch of glenn beck and it disgusted me. The far strecthing and linking of factors that are extrememly far apart..then the crying..this guy said himself that he was an entertainer, more of commentator then a reporter and then he said he was a rodeo clown...so i just cant lend a ton of credit to his "reports" ::) and the fact that you are an adult, and you put stock in the self professed "rodeo clown" is telling...alls im sayin broham
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go research who called Glenn Becks Studio "the fear chamber"
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absolutley not.. you can listen to an uneducated blowhard.. but there were a couple of shows i tried to watch of glenn beck and it disgusted me. The far strecthing and linking of factors that are extrememly far apart..then the crying..this guy said himself that he was an entertainer, more of commentator then a reporter and then he said he was a rodeo clown...so i just cant lend a ton of credit to his "reports" ::) and the fact that you are an adult, and you put stock in the self professed "rodeo clown" is telling...alls im sayin broham
Do you care to give a specific example?
BTW - I dont rely on Beck for hard news and more than you should on Madcow who makes shit up herself.
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go research who called Glenn Becks Studio "the fear chamber"
Mal can you give specific examples of Beck making things up with no basis in fact?
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absolutley not.. you can listen to an uneducated blowhard.. but there were a couple of shows i tried to watch of glenn beck and it disgusted me. The far strecthing and linking of factors that are extrememly far apart..then the crying..this guy said himself that he was an entertainer, more of commentator then a reporter and then he said he was a rodeo clown...so i just cant lend a ton of credit to his "reports" ::) and the fact that you are an adult, and you put stock in the self professed "rodeo clown" is telling...alls im sayin broham
I would think a HUGE part of being a success on television would be to entertain as well as inform your audience.I always find it amusing that the left thinks because guys like Rush and Beck are entertaining that it diminishes what they bring to the table.I guess when your used to watching non informative,non entertaining shows like those on MSNBC I understand why your opposed to people with actual talent.
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Do you care to give a specific example?
BTW - I dont rely on Beck for hard news and more than you should on Madcow who makes shit up herself.
no i will not play this game with you...becks "news" does not garner a lot of debating...he is a fear mongering, hate based, doom and gloom, crying, caricature. And you get news from him...hilarious yet extremely sad
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no i will not play this game with you...becks "news" does not garner a lot of debating...he is a fear mongering, hate based, doom and gloom, crying, caricature. And you get news from him...hilarious yet extremely sad
Again: can you give me a specific example of something he has lied about or gotten factually wrong?
If you cant, than perhaps you are the one with the closed mind, not those of us who dont buy into the MSNBC tripe about anyone they disagree with.
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Again: can you give me a specific example of something he has lied about or gotten factually wrong?
If you cant, than perhaps you are the one with the closed mind, not those of us who dont buy into the MSNBC tripe about anyone they disagree with.
a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture," saying "I'm not saying he doesn't like white people. I'm saying he has a problem. This guy is, I believe, a racist."
and this is where you get your news...disgusting
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a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture," saying "I'm not saying he doesn't like white people. I'm saying he has a problem. This guy is, I believe, a racist."
and this is where you get your news...disgusting
"THE WHITE MANS GREED RUNS A WORLD IN NEED" Barack Hussein Obama.Beck right,you wrong.
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"THE WHITE MANS GREED RUNS A WORLD IN NEED" Barack Hussein Obama.Beck right,you wrong.
really...is that racist or is it factual...ie...slavery
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"THE WHITE MANS GREED RUNS A WORLD IN NEED" Barack Hussein Obama.Beck right,you wrong.
teh BIG MAL right..you=wrong
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really...is that racist or is it factual...ie...slavery
He was actually refering to Haiti and countries like that at the time,NOT slavery.The reason Haiti fails is simple,its run by blacks.Just as ALL other countries run by blacks fail.By the way,wasnt it blacks that captured the slaves and then sold them to the slave owners,wasnt it actually blacks that enslave their own people?
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He was actually refering to Haiti and countries like that at the time,NOT slavery.The reason Haiti fails is simple,its run by blacks.Just as ALL other countries run by blacks fail.By the way,wasnt it blacks that captured the slaves and then sold them to the slave owners,wasnt it actually blacks that enslave their own people?
billie billie billie...please dont even attempt to debate this issue with me. For me to discuss the dynamics of American slavery with you, is equivalent to a Harvard American history Professor speaking to an 8 year old....you are so out of your leauge broham.
I understand you like your social issues to be summed up in a line or 2...simply packaged with out a whole lot of "evil liberal elitist edumacation" clouding good ol fashined dumbassness...and to engage in a debate with this many varying factors is comparable to speaking to a brick wall...
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absolutley not.. you can listen to an uneducated blowhard.. but there were a couple of shows i tried to watch of glenn beck and it disgusted me. The far strecthing and linking of factors that are extrememly far apart..then the crying..this guy said himself that he was an entertainer, more of commentator then a reporter and then he said he was a rodeo clown...so i just cant lend a ton of credit to his "reports" ::) and the fact that you are an adult, and you put stock in the self professed "rodeo clown" is telling...alls im sayin broham
It doesn't change the fact that you have "educated" blowhards like O'Reilly, Maddow, Olbermann, Matthews, Hannity etc. Insulting his education status doesn't change the fact that he did something right to be where he is today. It seems that is what you are doing which just diminishes your arguement.
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billie billie billie...please dont even attempt to debate this issue with me. For me to discuss the dynamics of American slavery with you, is equivalent to a Harvard American history Professor speaking to an 8 year old....you are so out of your leauge broham.
I understand you like your social issues to be summed up in a line or 2...simply packaged with out a whole lot of "evil liberal elitist edumacation" clouding good ol fashined dumbassness...and to engage in a debate with this many varying factors is comparable to speaking to a brick wall...
Did they not do that? Was the slave trade not well established in Africa before Americans came?
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It doesn't change the fact that you have "educated" blowhards like O'Reilly, Maddow, Olbermann, Matthews, Hannity etc. Insulting his education status doesn't change the fact that he did something right to be where he is today. It seems that is what you are doing which just diminishes your arguement.
You arent getting the gist of what im talking about...HE is fine...Beck is being a character that gets him paid...no one can be that stupid..i actually am impressed...the joke is on the people who actually take what he says at face value because he is on fox news...the same goes for rush..., as well as flavor flav, and ray jay...make an idiot of yourself and get paid...the sad thing is that people buy into glenn beck
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billie billie billie...please dont even attempt to debate this issue with me. For me to discuss the dynamics of American slavery with you, is equivalent to a Harvard American history Professor speaking to an 8 year old....you are so out of your leauge broham.
I understand you like your social issues to be summed up in a line or 2...simply packaged with out a whole lot of "evil liberal elitist edumacation" clouding good ol fashined dumbassness...and to engage in a debate with this many varying factors is comparable to speaking to a brick wall...
Ok,thats fine.Then please dont EVER tell me about white people or the racism of Hussein Obama because your light years out of your league in discussing racial issues now.I give example after example of Obamas racism,his BLATANT racism,and you just try to sweep it under a rug as politics.The guy is a racist,plain and simple and sat in that little sawed off lunatics racist church for twenty years and believed every single word.
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Did they not do that? Was the slave trade not well established in Africa before Americans came?
Yes, and there were Black Americans who owned and traded slaves themselves, take William Ellison for instance. The historical view that only whites were slave owners is innacurate.
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You arent getting the gist of what im talking about...HE is fine...Beck is being a character that gets him paid...no one can be that stupid..i actually am impressed...the joke is on the people who actually take what he says at face value because he is on fox news...the same goes for rush..., as well as flavor flav, and ray jay...make an idiot of yourself and get paid...the sad thing is that people buy into glenn beck
I understood...it just didn't come off that way. I just wanted you to clarify.
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I understood...it just didn't come off that way. I just wanted you to clarify.
oh ok... you right..
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lol - you call that garbage "fine journalism"?
See, this is why your credibility takes hits, 333386. Beck is nothing more than a moderately gifted thespian.
Stick to your Schiff posts. Those are actually good. Very good.
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This is his finest moment.
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While Beck may be a bit "excitable", the man has done quite a bit of good work. Like 333 says he has done a lot to draw attention to some shady characters Obama has appointed.
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"Jerry Springer Beat Oprahfor a couple of years...Just trying to put it all in perspective"
Wow.... very sad there....
ratings mean nothing... If you put Osama bin laden on the radio daily, he would have way more worldwide listeners than Rush... is he moe valid/ correct? Of course not.
Older people listen to talk radio and news shows... and tend to be more repubs.
Younger people listen to music and watch sitcoms... and tend to be more dems.
it is what it is.
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While Beck may be a bit "excitable", the man has done quite a bit of good work. Like 333 says he has done a lot to draw attention to some shady characters Obama has appointed.
The obamabots hate the fact that he is entertaining and informative at the same time. I dont get hard news from Beck, but he does a lot of good leg work exposing corruption.
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Im not a big Beck fan at all. At times he is whiny and annoying. However, trying to compare his education to Rachel Maddows as an explanation as to why Maddow is a better and more credible journalist is complete nonsense.
Both are pundits on cable news. Their job is not to present the news in an unbiased way. Their job is to give their opinion. Using someones educational backround as a measuring stick for credibility is as logically questionable as using ones racial background for credibility. I see a thugged out black kid walking toward me wearing baggy clothes and a bandanna. It's after midnight and the street is deserted. I get spooked because don't most thugged out looking black kids walk the streets after dark looking to rob, rape and pillage? I turn around and run-- I spot a cop and I tell him the big bad black man is after me. The cop grabs the kid and it turns out, he was trying to return my wallet which had fallen out of my pocket a few blocks earlier. Also, the wallet contains my money-- and the kid is a honor student going to graduate school walking home from doing volunteer work at a homeless shelter. The next day I go online to check the status of my stock portfolio and guess what? My Wharton Business School educated broker cleaned out my life savings and split the country to avoid being apprehended by the authorities for perpatrating a 50 million dollar Ponzi scheme.
When you make a broadbased stereotypical judgment based on the brand name that is on someones diploma without taking the time to examine what comes out of their mouth or what is in their makeup, you are just as ignorant and out of touch with reality as the scenario I alluded to above. Do people who go to Harvard or Yale tend to tell the truth more often than people who don't? GW Bush and Obama irrefutably dispel that idiotic assumption.
Does somebody need a wall full of post graduate degrees from an ivy league school to get on television and spout off their opinion? Obviously not-- and what value would that have anyway? That's part of the problem with the liberal mindset and it explains why MSNBC and all the liberal radio stations are a disaster. Thinking your better than everyone else just because XYZ without proving it just makes you look immature and out of touch with reality.
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Im not a big Beck fan at all. At times he is whiny and annoying. However, trying to compare his education to Rachel Maddows as an explanation as to why Maddow is a better and more credible journalist is complete nonsense.
Both are pundits on cable news. Their job is not to present the news in an unbiased way. Their job is to give their opinion. Using someones educational backround as a measuring stick for credibility is as logically questionable as using ones racial background for credibility. I see a thugged out black kid walking toward me wearing baggy clothes and a bandanna. It's after midnight and the street is deserted. I get spooked because don't most thugged out looking black kids walk the streets after dark looking to rob, rape and pillage? I turn around and run-- I spot a cop and I tell him the big bad black man is after me. The cop grabs the kid and it turns out, he was trying to return my wallet which had fallen out of my pocket a few blocks earlier. Also, the wallet contains my money-- and the kid is a honor student going to graduate school walking home from doing volunteer work at a homeless shelter. The next day I go online to check the status of my stock portfolio and guess what? My Wharton Business School educated broker cleaned out my life savings and split the country to avoid being apprehended by the authorities for perpatrating a 50 million dollar Ponzi scheme.
When you make a broadbased stereotypical judgment based on the brand name that is on someones diploma without taking the time to examine what comes out of their mouth or what is in their makeup, you are just as ignorant and out of touch with reality as the scenario I alluded to above. Do people who go to Harvard or Yale tend to tell the truth more often than people who don't? GW Bush and Obama irrefutably dispel that idiotic assumption.
Does somebody need a wall full of post graduate degrees from an ivy league school to get on television and spout off their opinion? Obviously not-- and what value would that have anyway? That's part of the problem with the liberal mindset and it explains why MSNBC and all the liberal radio stations are a disaster. Thinking your better than everyone else just because XYZ without proving it just makes you look immature and out of touch with reality.
Great post GW.
I have met hs grads who are far more intelligent than obama could ever possibly be while at the same time meeting phds who are dumber than rocks.
Hiding behind paper parchments is cowardly at best.
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Listen, you may disagree with Obama and feel he's an idiot for pushing thru a shit agenda...
but you don't get a law degree from harvard while being stupid.
Yes, you hate his policies which hand our had earned money over to lazy shits, I agree with that. But "This person with a phd or Jd is stupid~" because you disagre with them is weak. He's a smart guy, he's just misguided... just like Dubya. Bush was very smart too. He just started wars cause cheney and friends told him to.
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Listen, you may disagree with Obama and feel he's an idiot for pushing thru a shit agenda...
but you don't get a law degree from harvard while being stupid.
Yes, you hate his policies which hand our had earned money over to lazy shits, I agree with that. But "This person with a phd or Jd is stupid~" because you disagre with them is weak. He's a smart guy, he's just misguided... just like Dubya. Bush was very smart too. He just started wars cause cheney and friends told him to.
boom
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and to be fair - I think Palin is pretty bright too. She knows how to manipulate situations, form networks, and build some pretty powerful relationships.
She's just not well-versed in things like history or the economy - things that a president should be very good at. Obama knows law, there is no denying that, and he did spend 5 years touring the world on the foreign relations committee in congress, so he was somewhat good there. He had no economic skills - and we're seeing that now :( he just kept the old money guys in charge and did whatever they said while punching thru a clinton stimulus.
So I don't want to just kneepad obama here - most people at the top level of politics are pretty bright. Pelosi (whom I disagree with on nearly everything) is very bright. Mitt and Rudy and yes, Mccain are very bright. Edwards is not that bright, neither is fred thompson.
misguided and 'dumb' are tricky terms. You can be naive to fall for a misguided political views - and be a smart person the whole time. Hell, I tested 137 IQ through grade school and got an MBA without too much study, and I'm quite the political dumbass, right? ;)
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The problem is that you guys are confusing intelligence with being smart.
Being book smart does not mean that you are more adept at problem solving, planning or logical reasoning than your average nobody. Getting a law degree from Harvard means that you probably had impressive grades coming out of college and possess superior study/ time management skills. However, being the president of the United States is more than passing some tests in Constitutional Law. Comparatively, being a political analyst and cable news pundit is more than having a post graduate degree in political science.
You can't base all of your decisions on what you learned in a class room. A class room is not a substitute for real life. I don't need a JD from Harvard to be able to figure out that KSM should not be receiving a civilian trial in NYC. I don't need a degree in political science from Oxford to figure out when a politician is incompetent or corrupt.
Put it this way-- would you expect an engineer with a degree from MIT to be able to take apart and put your toaster back together with little to no effort? Maybe he could analyze the hell out of why it doesn't work and come up with all kinds of complicated mathematical equations that deduce what the problem is-- but would anyone be shocked if he couldn't take it apart and put it back together again?
You guys put way too much stock in this stuff. If Obama was a lawyer, the yes-- I am impressed he went to Harvard ( assuming he passed the bar). If I ran a political think tank , yes-- I would be impressed with Rachel Maddows education. Maybe I would hire them both. But neither position they hold now presupposes that an ivy league education is necessary or even important in determining if they possess the ability to perform their jobs in a satisfactory manner.
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Here's one of my favorite Glenn Beck moments.
He may be confusing intelligence with being smart, too.
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Many confuse obamas smarts with defiant, delusional, oblivious to common sense, and blind. I know plenty of people who lied, cheated, and paid their way through college, so to say just because he has a degree does not really mean he must be smart.
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There have been many highly revered people in society, successful people, leaders, inventors of many things we use every day that had not even half the education obama does. Schooling does not mean everything.
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Here's one of my favorite Glenn Beck moments.
He may be confusing intelligence with being smart, too.
woah...amazing...this is journalism huh 3333? this is whats up?....fucking sickening....