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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Parker on February 12, 2010, 03:04:59 PM
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Pretty indepth interview. Covering topics of training, contracts, Dorian, Flex, Levrone, Bodybuilders kidneys, Barbarian Brothers, and other topics. Pretty consistent with his early 90's vids about his philosophy of competing against one's self
it's in three parts
Part 1
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9uav2_victor-richards-interiview-with-dav_sport (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9uav2_victor-richards-interiview-with-dav_sport)
part 2
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9u9mo_victor-richards-interview-with-dave_sport (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9u9mo_victor-richards-interview-with-dave_sport)
Part 3
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9u9ni_victor-richards-interiview-with-dav_sport (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9u9ni_victor-richards-interiview-with-dav_sport)
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A young Victor.
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A young Victor.
That he's what, 17, 18? And he could have won Mr. Getbig withou dieting.
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A young Victor.
That guy is ridiculous :o
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Pretty indepth interview. Covering topics of training, contracts, Dorian, Flex, Levrone, Bodybuilders kidneys, Barbarian Brothers, and other topics. Pretty consistent with his early 90's vids about his philosophy of competing against one's self
it's in three parts
Part 1
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9uav2_victor-richards-interiview-with-dav_sport (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9uav2_victor-richards-interiview-with-dav_sport)
part 2
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9u9mo_victor-richards-interview-with-dave_sport (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9u9mo_victor-richards-interview-with-dave_sport)
Part 3
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9u9ni_victor-richards-interiview-with-dav_sport (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9u9ni_victor-richards-interiview-with-dav_sport)
He was 225 before he ever lifted? ::) ' don't call people freaky when they're using growth hormone ' he denies every eating 30K calories but admits to 15-20K lmao Flex magazine was trying to assassinate his character by claiming the 30K
" To say Ronnie Coleman is the best bodybuilder is an insult , he doesn't even come in the top 12 "
Has respect for Dorian Yates & Levrone , Lervone said 8 weeks with him and he would beat Yates if he got ripped
don't bodybuild Victor-build instead.
A young Greg Valentino use to spot Vic with sponges :-\ and Vic would oil up before he trained , Samir told him to use lotion before he worked out so he wouldn't get stretch marks but he was using baby oil instead
Ronnie's ' pinches nerve ' was actually a mini-stroke due to what he was taking according to Vic
true bodybuilding isn't competition
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When he was saying that about Ronnie, he was talking about if Ronnie was using just steriods like the old skool guys and just eating tuna and water. I don't know, I beg to differ with him.
he gave Dorian his props. I do think Vic just loved lifting, and didn't like competing, why should he? Really why would anybody. Did any of us get into bodybuilding to get up onstage and be subjectively judged? I didn't, I liked the feel of the weights.
Also for stretch marks Ive heard that using Coco butter or Vit E oil works good as well. Particularly for black people, because are skin is a tad diff.
Dave confirmed that Vic had oil on his arms, and even though Greg V is a douche, many of his stories have been confirmed by others.
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When he was saying that about Ronnie, he was talking about if Ronnie was using just steriods like the old skool guys and just eating tuna and water. I don't know, I beg to differ with him.
he gave Dorian his props. I do think Vic just loved lifting, and didn't like competing, why should he? Really why would anybody. Did any of us get into bodybuilding to get up onstage and be subjectively judged? I didn't, I liked the feel of the weights.
Also for stretch marks Ive heard that using Coco butter or Vit E oil works good as well. Particularly for black people, because are skin is a tad diff.
Dave confirmed that Vic had oil on his arms, and even though Greg V is a douche, many of his stories have been confirmed by others.
What's funny is he didn't want to compete but went to FIBO to stand next to the pros , so some part of him wanted to be compared to the professionals and none of them were really in contest shape and contrary to what Romano claimed he wasn't dwarfing Yates , but he did look like he belonged up there and did a pretty good job of holding his own against Yates considering the guy never stepped on a pro stage
I've read Vitamin E works for stretch-marks to a degree but they are genetic anyway and if you're prone to them it's gonna happen with any ' rapid ' weight gain.
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A young Victor.
all dianabol
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What's funny is he didn't want to compete but went to FIBO to stand next to the pros , so some part of him wanted to be compared to the professionals and none of them were really in contest shape and contrary to what Romano claimed he wasn't dwarfing Yates , but he did look like he belonged up there and did a pretty good job of holding his own against Yates considering the guy never stepped on a pro stage
I've read Vitamin E works for stretch-marks to a degree but they are genetic anyway and if you're prone to them it's gonna happen with any ' rapid ' weight gain.
True, or it could be true that John Brown convinced him to go. Seems like John Brown is kinda like a Yoda figure, he can spot certain good bodybuilders and put a bug in their ear, like Shawn Ray and Melvin Anthony.
And Romano tends to overhype things. I never thought he dwarfed Dorian at FIBO, possibly Flex Wheeler. Wasn't Romano in Flex's first vid "Hardbody", asking to talk to him, and being more schmoe than a little bit.
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What's funny is he didn't want to compete but went to FIBO to stand next to the pros , so some part of him wanted to be compared to the professionals and none of them were really in contest shape and contrary to what Romano claimed he wasn't dwarfing Yates , but he did look like he belonged up there and did a pretty good job of holding his own against Yates considering the guy never stepped on a pro stage
I've read Vitamin E works for stretch-marks to a degree but they are genetic anyway and if you're prone to them it's gonna happen with any ' rapid ' weight gain.
Yates pwn him in that shot !
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Vic stopped competing because he couldn't hold his size when dieting. Also his legs overshadowed his upper body when he was dieting. His back dissapeared. He won a joke contest to go pro. i think it was the Mr. Nigeria or something like that. He wanted no part of real compeition.
He tried to diet for the Night of Champions and quit with 6 weeks to go. He was losing a ton of size and still had another 20 to go. Vic was strong as hell, and an off season monster but he couldn't bring it to the stage. Always bullshitting his weight and measurements. Always full of excuses claiming everyone was jealous of him.
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Yates pwn him in that shot !
Actually not really. His waist is smaller and his arms are bigger than Dorian, and he's standing back and looks like he hasn't really hit the shot, in which all his muscle would be tense like Dorian's is. He holds his ground with Dorian, and like ND said, this is a guy who hadn't really stepped on stage. I would like to have seen what he looked like next to Flex, though. I read that Flex had dismissed Vic and said he was carrying a lot of water.
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Actually not really. His waist is smaller and his arms are bigger than Dorian, and he's standing back and looks like he hasn't really hit the shot, in which all his muscle would be tense like Dorian's is. He holds his ground with Dorian, and like ND said, this is a guy who hadn't really stepped on stage. I would like to have seen what he looked like next to Flex, though. I read that Flex had dismissed Vic and said he was carrying a lot of water.
Front double bi was never Doz's best pose, esp. after the bicep tear. If they turned around or hit a side shot or even a front lat spread or abs n thigh, Dorian beats him hands down.
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Front double bi was never Doz's best pose, esp. after the bicep tear. If they turned around or hit a side shot or even a front lat spread or abs n thigh, Dorian beats him hands down.
Yep, I agree. But, I don't think they did those shots, so we'll never know.
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built dude
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As i look at that shot, his chest looks bigger than Dorian's as well.
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thats the where the term comes from when they say "he grew just looking at weights",,yes he took drugs,ate,trained but his natural base was off the charts,,remember christian okoye the nigerian express was a fullback for the chiefs 80/early ninties sick build..
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Was Victor an IFBB Pro
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Was Victor an IFBB Pro
Yeah, by way of a Nigerian Pro Qaulifier. In which he beat dudes who looked like twigs. He had dual Nigerian and American citizenship.
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Yeah, by way of a Nigerian Pro Qaulifier. In which he beat dudes who looked like twigs. He had dual Nigerian and American citizenship.
I never understood his motivation for training the dude was huge but rarely did contests.
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I never understood his motivation for training the dude was huge but rarely did contests.
From the interview I posted and from other youtube vids, he really enjoys lifted weights, just loves it. But really hates dieting. He said, how can you compete against others when you don't know yourself. He said the the biggest competitor is yourself, and until you have beaten and defined yourself, then why compete. I think he really realized this when he was beaten at a US qaulifier. And he took it bad. he probably realized that until he got his mind right. A foolish man would give up what he loves, because of one set back. So he chose to know thyself.
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Freakiest bodybuilder ever.
Near 300 lbs and could do a vacuum pose.
He should seriously consider making a comeback. He's in his 40's, but probably hasn't taken the abuse career bodybuilders have.
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Freakiest bodybuilder ever.
Near 300 lbs and could do a vacuum pose.
He should seriously consider making a comeback. He's in his 40's, but probably hasn't taken the abuse career bodybuilders have.
Him and Brian Buchahan.
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Vic loved being the freak show, but he didn't want to diet down and truly see how he compared with the top brass in the sport.
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Yates pwn him in that shot !
Yates is FLEXING in that shot. Victor isn't.
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Vic stopped competing because he couldn't hold his size when dieting. Also his legs overshadowed his upper body when he was dieting. His back dissapeared. He won a joke contest to go pro. i think it was the Mr. Nigeria or something like that. He wanted no part of real compeition.
He tried to diet for the Night of Champions and quit with 6 weeks to go. He was losing a ton of size and still had another 20 to go. Vic was strong as hell, and an off season monster but he couldn't bring it to the stage. Always bullshitting his weight and measurements. Always full of excuses claiming everyone was jealous of him.
Two Words: "Anger Management". Sounds like you need it for the hatred you have towards this man. Dude, you act like you were there with him and you have an insider perspective on what "really happened". You DON'T. You just don't like him. Way to go and put him down as though Mr. Nigeria was a bullshit contest. It WAS, but Vic WAS one of the LARGEST bodybuilders of all time and would have massacred the majority of the pros on stage.
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What's funny is he didn't want to compete but went to FIBO to stand next to the pros , so some part of him wanted to be compared to the professionals and none of them were really in contest shape and contrary to what Romano claimed he wasn't dwarfing Yates , but he did look like he belonged up there and did a pretty good job of holding his own against Yates considering the guy never stepped on a pro stage
I've read Vitamin E works for stretch-marks to a degree but they are genetic anyway and if you're prone to them it's gonna happen with any ' rapid ' weight gain.
Trevor Smith from Nuclear Nutrition interviewed him years ago. Victor said Dorian was shocked at how much bigger Victor was than him even though he was Mr.Olympia.
If you've seen the video you'll know Dorian was bigger and much harder, better proportion. Wasn't close. The guy has no idea, and then he says Ronnie isn't top 12 of all time? He isn't close to either of them Dorian and Ronnie are the 2 best ever miles ahead of Victor. On or Offseason.
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Two Words: "Anger Management". Sounds like you need it for the hatred you have towards this man. Dude, you act like you were there with him and you have an insider perspective on what "really happened". You DON'T. You just don't like him. Way to go and put him down as though Mr. Nigeria was a bullshit contest. It WAS, but Vic WAS one of the LARGEST bodybuilders of all time and would have massacred the majority of the pros on stage.
Rubbish, Vic couldn't diet, he relies on people like yourself to talk him up, he had more than enough opportunity's to prove himself and didn't, he went into the Mr Nigeria as he would have struggled to win the USA,the talent around at the time was incredible, most USA winners were top6 Olympia standard or better. Vic knew more than anyone he couldn't hang on stage with the very top guys, he was far from complete and made the smart marketing choice to not compete in top amateur or a pro line up, he made alot of money guest posing that he wouldn't have made getting beaten at the USA or the Nationals.
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Rubbish, Vic couldn't diet, he relies on people like yourself to talk him up, he had more than enough opportunity's to prove himself and didn't, he went into the Mr Nigeria as he would have struggled to win the USA,the talent around at the time was incredible, most USA winners were top6 Olympia standard or better. Vic knew more than anyone he couldn't hang on stage with the very top guys, he was far from complete and made the smart marketing choice to not compete in top amateur or a pro line up, he made alot of money guest posing that he wouldn't have made getting beaten at the USA or the Nationals.
Back then Victor would have struggled in the NPC ! guys like Mendenhall , Lidelmeyer , Caputo , King , McClinton , Fletcher , all couldn't turn pro and many who did took years to do so.
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Trevor Smith from Nuclear Nutrition interviewed him years ago. Victor said Dorian was shocked at how much bigger Victor was than him even though he was Mr.Olympia.
If you've seen the video you'll know Dorian was bigger and much harder, better proportion. Wasn't close. The guy has no idea, and then he says Ronnie isn't top 12 of all time? He isn't close to either of them Dorian and Ronnie are the 2 best ever miles ahead of Victor. On or Offseason.
Ive seen the vid, I can't post it now, but Dorian and Vic matched size for size, he held his own, but yes Dorian was a tad harder.
And he says Ronnie isn't top 12, if Ronnie was using what the Metzer and others from the 70's- early 80's were using. And just eating tuna and water,etc. Listen to the interview again. He wasn't putting him down,he was being matter of fact. I think Ronnie is a genetic freak like him, but lets face it, Ronnie and Dorian were GH monsters
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idk, dude sounds hypocritical, saying bodybuilding has a bad name. Yet he live and took money off other guys instead of getting a job? ???
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idk, dude sounds hypocritical, saying bodybuilding has a bad name. Yet he live and took money off other guys instead of getting a job? ???
Hell, both his parents were doctors, he's probably was well set...Plus didn't also have a day job?
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big as fuck, but his skin is thick.
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damn pussy magnet.
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damn pussy magnet.
Mofo just liked training and eating and training.
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Ive seen the vid, I can't post it now, but Dorian and Vic matched size for size, he held his own, but yes Dorian was a tad harder.
And he says Ronnie isn't top 12, if Ronnie was using what the Metzer and others from the 70's- early 80's were using. And just eating tuna and water,etc. Listen to the interview again. He wasn't putting him down,he was being matter of fact. I think Ronnie is a genetic freak like him, but lets face it, Ronnie and Dorian were GH monsters
Say who? Yes they used and prob a lot but they blow the 70's away, Dorian even after 5 years training. Even Jay Cutler blows away the 70's at 23. There is much more than just the drugs, more guys training, more of a genetic pool, smarter training and nutrition. Arnie and the 70's guys were juicing as much as they could, Arnie doesn't have the mindset to do things half assed.
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Yep, I agree. But, I don't think they did those shots, so we'll never know.
there is video just search for it.
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there is video just search for it.
Yeah, it features Vic walking around in shades hitting certain shots, walking back and forth, by himself. There is some small footage of him with others, but it seems that the others in general ignored him or didn't want to pose next to him.
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Yeah, it features Vic walking around in shades hitting certain shots, walking back and forth, by himself. There is some small footage of him with others, but it seems that the others in general ignored him or didn't want to pose next to him.
at least dude didn't do G4P.
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If his philosophy was about competing against one's self, why did he throw a hissy fit, when he lost to Rich Gaspari?
Why did he go to Nigeria to face FAR inferior competition to turn pro, instead of taking on the NPC's finest?
Talking smack about an 8-time Mr. Olympia, when he won't even step on a pro stage makes Richards look like a chump.
I think his ego would be too bruised by losing to smaller bodybuilders (i.e. Lee Labrada).
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If his philosophy was about competing against one's self, why did he throw a hissy fit, when he lost to Rich Gaspari?
Why did he go to Nigeria to face FAR inferior competition to turn pro, instead of taking on the NPC's finest?
Talking smack about an 8-time Mr. Olympia, when he won't even step on a pro stage makes Richards look like a chump.
I think his ego would be too bruised by losing to smaller bodybuilders (i.e. Lee Labrada).
We, discussed that...He threw the hissy fit because his ass wasn't ready and wasn't he very young. I also think he just loved lifting weights,period. Not competing. I think he listened to people saying that he should compete. And he wasn't ready emotionally or physically. Yeah, the Nigerian way was a backdoor way.
And he didn't talk shit, he was stating that Ronnie wouldn't be in the top 12 if he was doing just what Mentzer and others of that era were doing. No knock on Ronnie, but Ronnie only took it to the next level by 97-98, and then another level after that.
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We, discussed that...He threw the hissy fit because his ass wasn't ready and wasn't he very young. I also think he just loved lifting weights,period. Not competing. I think he listened to people saying that he should compete. And he wasn't ready emotionally or physically. Yeah, the Nigerian way was a backdoor way.
And he didn't talk shit, he was stating that Ronnie wouldn't be in the top 12 if he was doing just what Mentzer and others of that era were doing. No knock on Ronnie, but Ronnie only took it to the next level by 97-98, and then another level after that.
STUPIDEST COMMENT I'VE SEEN IN AWHILE. WORD IS THAT RONNIE DIDNT EVEN KNOW WHAT DRUGS WERE UNTIL AFTER HE TURNED PRO AND HE WASNT TAKING THE REALLY GOOD STUFF UNTIL CHAD NICHOLLS STARTED WORKING WITH HIM IN 1998. TO COMPARE RONNIE'S GENETICS TO MENTZER IS STUPID TALK.
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STUPIDEST COMMENT I'VE SEEN IN AWHILE. WORD IS THAT RONNIE DIDNT EVEN KNOW WHAT DRUGS WERE UNTIL AFTER HE TURNED PRO AND HE WASNT TAKING THE REALLY GOOD STUFF UNTIL CHAD NICHOLLS STARTED WORKING WITH HIM IN 1998. TO COMPARE RONNIE'S GENETICS TO MENTZER IS STUPID TALK.
Why do you think I disagree with what Vic said. Ronnie, was a genetic freak like Vic. And actually, Ronnie was over looked in 1997, Chad only made him drier and a lil heavier. He had all the components back in 1997. Ronnie knew what drugs were though, I mean he was competing back in 90-92, losing to the likes of Flex, and Kev when they all were competing for pro cards. Don't buy that "Gosh Golly, I'm just a country boy" act. Hell, he has a degree in accounting, he's not ignorant or dumb, he plays that role, and people buy it.
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Why do you think I disagree with what Vic said. Ronnie, was a genetic freak like Vic. And actually, Ronnie was over looked in 1997, Chad only made him drier and a lil heavier. He had all the components back in 1997. Ronnie knew what drugs were though, I mean he was competing back in 90-92, losing to the likes of Flex, and Kev when they all were competing for pro cards. Don't buy that "Gosh Golly, I'm just a country boy" act. Hell, he has a degree in accounting, he's not ignorant or dumb, he plays that role, and people buy it.
he's nigerian i think..
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STUPIDEST COMMENT I'VE SEEN IN AWHILE. WORD IS THAT RONNIE DIDNT EVEN KNOW WHAT DRUGS WERE UNTIL AFTER HE TURNED PRO AND HE WASNT TAKING THE REALLY GOOD STUFF UNTIL CHAD NICHOLLS STARTED WORKING WITH HIM IN 1998. TO COMPARE RONNIE'S GENETICS TO MENTZER IS STUPID TALK.
that wouldnt suprise me he was huge at grambling state playing football
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STUPIDEST COMMENT I'VE SEEN IN AWHILE. WORD IS THAT RONNIE DIDNT EVEN KNOW WHAT DRUGS WERE UNTIL AFTER HE TURNED PRO AND HE WASNT TAKING THE REALLY GOOD STUFF UNTIL CHAD NICHOLLS STARTED WORKING WITH HIM IN 1998. TO COMPARE RONNIE'S GENETICS TO MENTZER IS STUPID TALK.
Love this shit. Guys were saying on MM years ago that Ronnie didn't juice until 1995 ::)
He came 4th and the nationals and won the world champs in 1991, beating many many good BBers including Chick who was 7th at the nationals.
But you are right about Ronnie being far ahead of anyone including Victor, juice or not.
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STUPIDEST COMMENT I'VE SEEN IN AWHILE. WORD IS THAT RONNIE DIDNT EVEN KNOW WHAT DRUGS WERE UNTIL AFTER HE TURNED PRO AND HE WASNT TAKING THE REALLY GOOD STUFF UNTIL CHAD NICHOLLS STARTED WORKING WITH HIM IN 1998. TO COMPARE RONNIE'S GENETICS TO MENTZER IS STUPID TALK.
Fuck me this is stupid. ::) He was probably taking Dianabol at 15 like candy.
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Ive seen the vid, I can't post it now, but Dorian and Vic matched size for size, he held his own, but yes Dorian was a tad harder.
And he says Ronnie isn't top 12, if Ronnie was using what the Metzer and others from the 70's- early 80's were using. And just eating tuna and water,etc. Listen to the interview again. He wasn't putting him down,he was being matter of fact. I think Ronnie is a genetic freak like him, but lets face it, Ronnie and Dorian were GH monsters
Like he wasn't.. They had Gh in the '80's. Don't let Richards's bullshit fool you.
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Like he wasn't.. They had Gh in the '80's. Don't let Richards's bullshit fool you.
Quite true, even though he could pull off a vacuum ;) I think, he may have been competitive if he got in shape, and I think that was his issue, he was not ready to compare himself with others, so in short, he was right. How can you compete with anybody, if are not ready to, if you don't know yourself.
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Great example of why just because someone can attain pro size does not mean they can do damage on a pro stage. Reminds me of the other thread where guys were saying that 5-10% of people can attain pro size therefore 5-10% can become pros or that top pros don't have elite genes. Victor had great genes for putting on size but obviously could not hang with the top competitors and that's why he only competed at Mr. Nigeria and shyed away from better competition.
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Great example of why just because someone can attain pro size does not mean they can do damage on a pro stage. Reminds me of the other thread where guys were saying that 5-10% of people can attain pro size therefore 5-10% can become pros or that top pros don't have elite genes. Victor had great genes for putting on size but obviously could not hang with the top competitors and that's why he only competed at Mr. Nigeria and shyed away from better competition.
Are you saying he could of beat Nasser with proper dieting?
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Great example of why just because someone can attain pro size does not mean they can do damage on a pro stage. Reminds me of the other thread where guys were saying that 5-10% of people can attain pro size therefore 5-10% can become pros or that top pros don't have elite genes. Victor had great genes for putting on size but obviously could not hang with the top competitors and that's why he only competed at Mr. Nigeria and shyed away from better competition.
Look I mean the guy in this condition is absolutely worthy of being on a pro stage , not sure of he could have won any major contests or the big one but he's 275 in these pics and looks pretty fucking good
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Quite true, even though he could pull off a vacuum ;) I think, he may have been competitive if he got in shape, and I think that was his issue, he was not ready to compare himself with others, so in short, he was right. How can you compete with anybody, if are not ready to, if you don't know yourself.
Why was he ready to compete against Nigerian amateurs then? Yeah he wasn't ready to compete against guys like this who would have blown him out of the water ;)
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Why was he ready to compete against Nigerian amateurs then? Yeah he wasn't ready to compete against guys like this who would have blown him out of the water ;)
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He looks better than Nasser in that comparasion. And probably would have beaten him if he was in shape. If you were to take a poll, everybody but you And Shalaby would agree.
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He looks better than Nasser in that comparasion. And probably would have beaten him if he was in shape. If you were to take a poll, everybody but you And Shalaby would agree.
I don't know about him beating Nasser
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He looks better than Nasser in that comparasion. And probably would have beaten him if he was in shape. If you were to take a poll, everybody but you And Shalaby would agree.
haha I purposely posted that comparison because I knew you would make such a silly post in response ;) The only thing Victor has over Nasser there is a bigger head compared to his delts, chest, etc.
Yup, Vic simply refused tons of money he could have earned by having a better career than Nasser simply because he did not want to lol
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I don't know about him beating Nasser
Parker always sides with the black guys ;)
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Parker always sides with the black guys ;)
I don't think so , Parker is pretty objective
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I think in shape it would have been close with Vic and Nasser, Vic has him on back shots
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I think in shape it would have been close with Vic and Nasser, Vic has him on back shots
Got any back shots of him to support that statement? From the front pics his lats look relatively narrow
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Got any back shots of him to support that statement? From the front pics his lats look relatively narrow
He has a similar structure as Nasser with short legs and a long torso with highish lats and the back shots I'm not sure he beats Nasser on
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haha I purposely posted that comparison because I knew you would make such a silly post in response ;) The only thing Victor has over Nasser there is a bigger head compared to his delts, chest, etc.
Yup, Vic simply refused tons of money he could have earned by having a better career than Nasser simply because he did not want to lol
Duh, why do you think I said, you could take a poll. And everybody would agree, except you and Shalaby. I knew what you were doing.
Vic has better shape, muscle size, density. He made money from guess posing and being an "enigma". No lose of money getting ready for shows, worrying about "politics", and chances are his internal organs are a lot better than most who competed in that era, black, white, or of Arab descent. Granted, his back door way of getting his pro card is suspect. It doesn't mean he can't hang.
In fact, I gather his "slickster" way of doing things, may even be---a product of certain aspects of being Nigerian. In Nigeria certain ehtnic groups take pride in being "slick" or "tricksters", there is a saying "Never trust a Nigerian", I don't know for sure, but that may have some bearing of why he did and or says the things he says. Now that I think about it--I'm throwing that out as a possible theory. I could be dead wrong.
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He has a similar structure as Nasser with short legs and a long torso with highish lats and the back shots I'm not sure he beats Nasser on
Nasser would destroy this guy in a contest, but we'll never know because Vic didn't ever want to "measure himself by other peoples standards."
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Duh, why do you think I said, you could take a poll. And everybody would agree, except you and Shalaby. I knew what you were doing.
Vic has better shape, muscle size, density. He made money from guess posing and being an "enigma". No lose of money getting ready for shows, worrying about "politics", and chances are his internal organs are a lot better than most who competed in that era, black, white, or of Arab descent. Granted, his back door way of getting his pro card is suspect. It doesn't mean he can't hang.
In fact, I gather his "slickster" way of doing things, may even be---a product of certain aspects of being Nigerian. In Nigeria certain ehtnic groups take pride in being "slick" or "tricksters", there is a saying "Never trust a Nigerian", I don't know for sure, but that may have some bearing of why he did and or says the things he says. Now that I think about it--I'm throwing that out as a possible theory. I could be dead wrong.
Doesnt seem that way so far in this thread :)
BTW if others agree with you on this topic its simply out of an effort to blindly disagree with Nasser-fans since they are annoyed with our posts, and not an honest opinion on their physiques.
Here's a great post in this thread I'm surprised it has been ignored:
Vic stopped competing because he couldn't hold his size when dieting. Also his legs overshadowed his upper body when he was dieting. His back dissapeared. He won a joke contest to go pro. i think it was the Mr. Nigeria or something like that. He wanted no part of real compeition.
He tried to diet for the Night of Champions and quit with 6 weeks to go. He was losing a ton of size and still had another 20 to go. Vic was strong as hell, and an off season monster but he couldn't bring it to the stage. Always bullshitting his weight and measurements. Always full of excuses claiming everyone was jealous of him.
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Well his back in that non show condition looks better than Nasser's ever did. I think he would have beaten Nasser had he been in shape. When Flex was in his best shape, which were the spring shows, he beat Nasser. Now, Vic could obtain Nasser's size, and had great back detail. Plus his ass loved to train. In a hypothetical scenario, I think he could have beaten Nasser. But he didn't nor did he compete, so it is moot.
Nasser looked his best at a lower bodyweight. When he started putting on size, he look like a block of muscle. He was born with good lines, not great lines, but good lines. And that is what fucked him up, good lines eventually become blurred once you start slapping on weight.
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Well his back in that non show condition looks better than Nasser's ever did. I think he would have beaten Nasser had he been in shape. When Flex was in his best shape, which were the spring shows, he beat Nasser. Now, Vic could obtain Nasser's size, and had great back detail. Plus his ass loved to train. In a hypothetical scenario, I think he could have beaten Nasser. But he didn't nor did he compete, so it is moot.
Nasser looked his best at a lower bodyweight. When he started putting on size, he look like a block of muscle. He was born with good lines, not great lines, but good lines. And that is what fucked him up, good lines eventually become blurred once you start slapping on weight.
Nasser would mop the floor with this guy. Sorry, but it has to be said.
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Nasser would mop the floor with this guy. Sorry, but it has to be said.
Possible, but hard to say. He has better back detail than Nasser. Nasser has him on width, but as we saw at the 1997 Arnold, Nasser was wider than Flex, and Flex weighed 224, Nasser weighed 275-280, and Flex won. Better shape, detail, back detail, and he won the Most Muscular award, real blow. So, to say that Nasser would "mop the floor" would not exactly be correct. It would have been close, possibly have gone either way.
Vic as you can clearly see, his strength is arms, legs, chest and back detail. And has huge calves--even though they are high. That one YouTube vid, with him in grey, shows that he obtain back width. I don't know when that vid was shot vs. The adverts.
His weaknesses, were high lats, and slightly narrow. Plus his thick skin. They may not seem much but it can mak or break a physique.
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Possible, but hard to say. He has better back detail than Nasser. Nasser has him on width, but as we saw at the 1997 Arnold, Nasser was wider than Flex, and Flex weighed 224, Nasser weighed 275-280, and Flex won. Better shape, detail, back detail, and he won the Most Muscular award, real blow. So, to say that Nasser would "mop the floor" would not exactly be correct. It would have been close, possibly have gone either way.
Vic as you can clearly see, his strength is arms, legs, chest and back detail. And has huge calves--even though they are high. That one YouTube vid, with him in grey, shows that he obtain back width. I don't know when that vid was shot vs. The adverts.
His weaknesses, were high lats, and slightly narrow. Plus his thick skin. They may not seem much but it can mak or break a physique.
Wrong, its EASY to say. Got any pics of Vic in contest shape? What was his last show - the Mr. Nigeria? Compare that to Nasser's contest pics. The guy could not come in contest shape while being big and shredded, and that's why he cowered away from the big shows and dropped out 6 weeks out of the NOC. Vic is no Flex Wheeler. His back is weak too, looks very narrow and is not even very detailed.
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Vic talked the talk but never walked the walk.
Yes,. he was massive and could get lean but never to competition condition but he never did compete for whatever his own reasons.
To each his own.
On the other hand, Nasser walked the walk without using all the hyperbole of Vic.
Nasser would let his physique do the talking on stage, where it counted.
Nasser achieved! Vic never realised his potential. Nasser realised his potential and then some...........
Nasser is a success. Vic a wannabe, who could have been BUT never was................
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Possible, but hard to say. He has better back detail than Nasser. Nasser has him on width, but as we saw at the 1997 Arnold, Nasser was wider than Flex, and Flex weighed 224, Nasser weighed 275-280, and Flex won. Better shape, detail, back detail, and he won the Most Muscular award, real blow. So, to say that Nasser would "mop the floor" would not exactly be correct. It would have been close, possibly have gone either way.
Vic as you can clearly see, his strength is arms, legs, chest and back detail. And has huge calves--even though they are high. That one YouTube vid, with him in grey, shows that he obtain back width. I don't know when that vid was shot vs. The adverts.
His weaknesses, were high lats, and slightly narrow. Plus his thick skin. They may not seem much but it can mak or break a physique.
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Vic was similar to Paul Dillet in that they both had big arms, small waist, and weak back, but Paul looks much more impressive than Vic...yet Paul still never beat Nasser after his transformation from 94 to 95. If Paul never competed and we only had solo magazine pics to go off of as we do with Vic everyone would be saying he would be Mr. O if he wanted to, however it becomes a different story when you actually put him onstage against the top few guys.
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Parker always sides with the black guys ;)
And don't you always side with arab bbers??
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Vic was similar to Paul Dillet in that they both had big arms, small waist, and weak back, but Paul looks much more impressive than Vic...yet Paul still never beat Nasser after his transformation from 94 to 95. If Paul never competed and we only had solo magazine pics to go off of as we do with Vic everyone would be saying he would be Mr. O if he wanted to, however it becomes a different story when you actually put him onstage against the top few guys.
Wrong! Paul beat Nasser at the 1996 Grand Prix of Spain and you claimed Nasser said 1996 was his best year. ;)
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Vic hasnt earned the right to be compared to Nasser, he chose not to compete, i believe he would have been a top 10 maybe top 6 guy at the olympia at his very best, structurally he couldnt hang with the very top guys,similar in a way to Dillet with his structural flaws and he has never demonstrated that his body had the ability to get hard let alone ripped, so who knows if he couldnt dial it in and maintain his size, maybe im giving him to much credit already, everyone whos ever competed at at a top amateur level knows maintaining size whilst getting rockhard is the hardest thing to do in the sport.
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Vic is a very big guy, but Nasser competed in the best era ever and beat almost everyone numerous times. His structure is one of the best ever and he carried almost as much muscle as anyone.
Vic could not match Dorian in the FIBO video from the front. Nasser beat Dorian from the front. That should be enough.
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Now add Vic's back shot, and you see that Vic had a more detailed back.
As was stated before, I do believe Vic had a problem with dieting down. Since we can't say who'd win. I guess we have to say, "In pics who looks better", in terms of shape, size, I think Vic does.
I was never impressed by Nasser's shape. He looked like a big block of muscle, in which Milos had alluded to, in reference to Nasser's meltdown about the 97 Arnold.
In terms of shape and size from the 90s it would be Flex, Kev, Charles Clairmonte, Chris C, Mike Francois, Vince Taylor, Paul Dillett, even Fux, when he sucked his gut in, Ronnie Coleman, Shawn Ray, John Sherman, Some Puerto Rican dude (forgot his name), JJ Marsh, alq Gurley, Don Long, Milos, Porter Cottrell, Ian Harrison.
Nasser structure sucked in terms of aesthetics. It was huge, and he matched Dorian from front in terms of mass. muscle shape he was average at best.
Let's put it this way Nasser was like a modded 60's era Mustang, versus a 1986 Ferrari 288 GTO (representing the listed men above). That Mustang probably will take the Ferrari on the straights, but not in the corners, and plus aesthetically, the Ferrari looks better--and the 64 1/2 Mustang got it's look from a Ferrari Show Car.
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Vic is a very big guy, but Nasser competed in the best era ever and beat almost everyone numerous times. His structure is one of the best ever and he carried almost as much muscle as anyone.
Vic could not match Dorian in the FIBO video from the front. Nasser beat Dorian from the front. That should be enough.
Nasser had one of the shittiest backs in IFBB history and he injected himself so full of synthol he nearly died of infection.
What a piece of dog sh*t.
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Wrong! Paul beat Nasser at the 1996 Grand Prix of Spain and you claimed Nasser said 1996 was his best year. ;)
You know things are bad, when you start name dropping Spain Grand Prixs.... :D