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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: MindSpin on February 16, 2010, 08:22:05 AM
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Top 10 PPV buy rates, 2009
1. UFC 100: Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir, July 11, 1.6 million
2. Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto, Nov. 14, 1.25 million
3. Boxing: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez, Sept. 19, 1.05 millon
4. UFC 94: Georges St. Pierre vs. B.J. Penn, Jan. 31, 920,000 buys
5. UFC 101: Penn vs. Kenny Florian/Anderson Silva vs. Forrest Griffin, Aug. 8, 850,000
6. Boxing: Pacquiao vs. Ricky Hatton, May 2, 825,000
7t. UFC 107: Penn vs. Diego Sanchez, Dec. 12, 650,000
7t. UFC 97: Silva vs. Thales Leites/Chuck Liddell vs. Mauricio Rua, April 18, 650,000
9. UFC 98: Lyoto Machida vs. Rashad Evans/Matt Hughes vs. Matt Serra, May 23, 635,000
10. Wrestling: WWE WrestleMania 25, April 5, 582,000 buys
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You can take that with a grain of salt since Zuffa isn't required by law to report exact PPV buy numbers like boxing is since they are a privately owned and operated entity. Richard Shaefer actually challenged Dana White (since Dana and Zuffa are pretty notorious for inflating and exaggerating there actual PPV buy #'s) and offered to provide him a firm free of charge of his choice that would calculate exact PPV numbers and buy rates as long as they make the results public and he declined.
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You can take that with a grain of salt since Zuffa isn't required by law to report exact PPV buy numbers like boxing is since they are a privately owned and operated entity. Richard Shaefer actually challenged Dana White (since Dana and Zuffa are pretty notorious for inflating and exaggerating there actual PPV buy #'s) and offered to provide him a firm free of charge of his choice that would calculate exact PPV numbers and buy rates as long as they make the results public and he declined.
dana is a pussy. does this surprise you?
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dana is a pussy. does this surprise you?
Nope, the fact that people believe the shit he spews does.
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Top 10 PPV buy rates, 2009
1. UFC 100: Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir, July 11, 1.6 million
2. Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto, Nov. 14, 1.25 million
3. Boxing: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez, Sept. 19, 1.05 millon
4. UFC 94: Georges St. Pierre vs. B.J. Penn, Jan. 31, 920,000 buys
5. UFC 101: Penn vs. Kenny Florian/Anderson Silva vs. Forrest Griffin, Aug. 8, 850,000
6. Boxing: Pacquiao vs. Ricky Hatton, May 2, 825,000
7t. UFC 107: Penn vs. Diego Sanchez, Dec. 12, 650,000
7t. UFC 97: Silva vs. Thales Leites/Chuck Liddell vs. Mauricio Rua, April 18, 650,000
9. UFC 98: Lyoto Machida vs. Rashad Evans/Matt Hughes vs. Matt Serra, May 23, 635,000
10. Wrestling: WWE WrestleMania 25, April 5, 582,000 buys
impressive statitistics
the ufc is no doubt the premiere league in the world
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You can take that with a grain of salt since Zuffa isn't required by law to report exact PPV buy numbers like boxing is since they are a privately owned and operated entity. Richard Shaefer actually challenged Dana White (since Dana and Zuffa are pretty notorious for inflating and exaggerating there actual PPV buy #'s) and offered to provide him a firm free of charge of his choice that would calculate exact PPV numbers and buy rates as long as they make the results public and he declined.
They do that to increase ad cost. The more people who they say view it the more the can ask from sponsors.
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Is that US PPV buys, or world wide? I'm assuming US. I can't see a UFC PPV buys topping boxing or WWE in the global market, but ya never know.
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When a mega HW boxer,like a Tyson, comes along then boxing will sit on top again trust me.
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When a mega HW boxer,like a Tyson, comes along then boxing will sit on top again trust me.
Most talented fighters are making their way into MMA. Boxing is hopelessly fucked. Not going to happen...
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Most talented fighters are making their way into MMA. Boxing is hopelessly fucked. Not going to happen...
as long as a guy with a 5-1 record is ranked #2 in the world, mma means jack shit. it is a little kids game.
there are plenty of boxers with records like 30-4 who would die for a title shot if they could get it
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It's hard not to dominate when you have no competition.. lol, who is going to beat them? strikeforce !? dana bought out Pride, and boxing has become a joke..it's not so much that the UFC is the best, it's just that there's not much else choice wise..
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Most talented fighters are making their way into MMA. Boxing is hopelessly fucked. Not going to happen...
If you think cause MMA is bringing in more than Boxing in PPV money will cause boxing to fail then you really are dumb. Boxing will be here for as long as MMA is around and even longer. Find out how many live audience views each sport. The live gate for boxing has not gone down. It isn't like they are fighting in front of less fans. MMA has more PPV shows too I would think. Maybe boxing should be putting on more major fights so they can get more PPV revenue.
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It's hard not to dominate when you have no competition.. lol, who is going to beat them? strikeforce !? dana bought out Pride, and boxing has become a joke..it's not so much that the UFC is the best, it's just that there's not much else choice wise..
Did you actually think about what you wrote before you wrote it ???
"...it's not so much that the UFC is the best, it's just that there's not much else choice wise.."
You're right. There's not much else choice wise, because the UFC is better than everything else out there ::) IFL, Affliction, Pride, etc. all have succumbed to the better option and as a result the UFC dominates.
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If you think cause MMA is bringing in more than Boxing in PPV money will cause boxing to fail then you really are dumb. Boxing will be here for as long as MMA is around and even longer. Find out how many live audience views each sport. The live gate for boxing has not gone down. It isn't like they are fighting in front of less fans. MMA has more PPV shows too I would think. Maybe boxing should be putting on more major fights so they can get more PPV revenue.
Where did I say that MMA getting more PPVs is what is destroying boxing ??? I said that because MMA is now more popular, it is more likely to attract great fighters that would otherwise have chosen boxing.
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Haha more popular than boxing!! 9999 out of 10000 people would have told you Mike Tyson was HW champ when he was at the top, id say 3 out of 10000 would know Brock Lesnars UFC champ.
Next great HW comes along then UFC/MMA will go back to obscurity
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Haha more popular than boxing!! 9999 out of 10000 people would have told you Mike Tyson was HW champ when he was at the top, id say 3 out of 10000 would know Brock Lesnars UFC champ.
Next great HW comes along then UFC/MMA will go back to obscurity
Oh brother ::) You're not actually saying that boxing is more popular than MMA today are you ??? How many people can name the current heavyweight boxing champ?
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Most talented fighters are making their way into MMA. Boxing is hopelessly fucked. Not going to happen...
You're really delusional if you believe this. Who in their right mind would chase after a $10k pay day over a possible multi-million dollar payday. The third and fourth tier strikers who couldn't hack it in a boxing ring, that's who. For what it's worth, boxing and UFC each hold 3 of the top 6 spots, with boxing holding 2 of the top 3. Dead? Far from it. If Mayweather/Pacquiao fight, it will easily be #1 for the year. And this is coming from someone who prefers MMA to boxing.
I'll put a .357 to my head and take the bet that those numbers are doctored.
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You're really delusional if you believe this. Who in their right mind would chase after a $10k pay day over a possible multi-million dollar payday. The third and fourth tier strikers who couldn't hack it in a boxing ring, that's who. For what it's worth, boxing and UFC each hold 3 of the top 6 spots, with boxing holding 2 of the top 3. Dead? Far from it. If Mayweather/Pacquiao fight, it will easily be #1 for the year. And this is coming from someone who prefers MMA to boxing.
I'll put a .357 to my head and take the bet that those numbers are doctored.
Who, besides 2-3 guys in boxing is is getting a "multi-million dollar payday" ::)
At least in MMA, the money is more evenly spread out AND there is a shiatload more to be made on sponsorships.
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Who, besides 2-3 guys in boxing is is getting a "multi-million dollar payday" ::)
At least in MMA, the money is more evenly spread out AND there is a shiatload more to be made on sponsorships.
Who, besides the 2-3 top guys in MMA, makes more than $100k per fight? Now, would someone rather chase the possibility of making millions or the possibility of making a few thousand?
Spread out? Yeah, getting $10k to fight is really "spreading it out". And no one outside of the guys named Chuck Liddell, Brock Lesnar and a few others are raking it in with sponsorships, despite what lies you may claim. Do second string NFL players rake it in with sponsorships? Of course not. ::)
And then you have the gall to claim you don't have a vested interest in the UFC.
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Who, besides 2-3 guys in boxing is is getting a "multi-million dollar payday" ::)
At least in MMA, the money is more evenly spread out AND there is a shiatload more to be made on sponsorships.
Hahahahaha, you have absolutely no f*cking clue what you're talking about bud, a few guys make over $150,000 a fight, 3/4 of the other fighters make under $50,000 some of the undercards make $5,000 a fight..
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Oh brother ::) You're not actually saying that boxing is more popular than MMA today are you ??? How many people can name the current heavyweight boxing champ?
If MMA is so popular why doesn't it pay more. Pacquiao made more in fight than the total purse of the last 15 to 20 UFC fights. That is embarrassing to MMA. How in the hell can you say MMA spreads the wealth. Sometimes I think you live with Falcon
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Are you guys serious ??? One of the key things that has caused boxing to slide as much as it has, is the way money was/is distributed. You have 1-2 guys making 80%+ of the available revenues and everyone else, promoters, undercard fighters, etc. making the rest. It's not sustainable.
The UFC has taken a completely different approach. The promoter, which makes it all possible, makes the majority of the profit and the rest is distributed among the fighters. The result? A more sustainable business that continues to grow and provide growing opportunities for fighters.
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It's no different. The majority of the purses in the UFC are distributed among the top 2 or 3 guys. Brock Lesnar alone makes more than pretty much every other fighter on the card combined. Most of the cards are made up of guys getting peanuts.
You change your argument every time. First it's the fighters make a lot of money from the actual fights. Then you get called on that and you say that the bulk of their salaries come from endorsements and sponsorships, which is again bullshit. Now you're back to claiming that the UFC pays all fighters adequately. Yes, $10k to win is indeed adequate given how much money you claim they make on their PPVs. L-O-L. ::)
Fact of the matter is that if you're not a belt holder or a big name fighter you really aren't making shit in the UFC.
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I'm not changing my story. Fighters who are on the televised bouts do in fact make much more from their endorsements than they do from the actual fights. Also, I don't think that most of these guys are getting rich off of being fighters, but who said they were supposed to?
As for the top guys making more, why of course ::) If you are at the top of your game, you should make more than those who are at the bottom. I make a shitload more money than my secretary, just as Lesnar makes a shitload more than Todd Duffee. The difference is that in Boxing, the payment gap is ridiculous. I've posted all these numbers on a different thread. Do your homework boy.
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todd duffee could be better than lesner someday
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Are you guys serious ??? One of the key things that has caused boxing to slide as much as it has, is the way money was/is distributed. You have 1-2 guys making 80%+ of the available revenues and everyone else, promoters, undercard fighters, etc. making the rest. It's not sustainable.
The UFC has taken a completely different approach. The promoter, which makes it all possible, makes the majority of the profit and the rest is distributed among the fighters. The result? A more sustainable business that continues to grow and provide growing opportunities for fighters.
Just to let you know. The UFC (which is really the only MMA organization to talk about) is privately owned. Of course they are going to make the most money. Boxing is not own by a single person or entity as far as I know. If you think a fighter is making more than Don King when he promotes a show you need to check the checks so to speak. Has any UFC fighter ever made $1 million payday not including sponsors. Solely as prize money.
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Just to let you know. The UFC (which is really the only MMA organization to talk about) is privately owned. Of course they are going to make the most money. Boxing is not own by a single person or entity as far as I know. If you think a fighter is making more than Don King when he promotes a show you need to check the checks so to speak. Has any UFC fighter ever made $1 million payday not including sponsors. Solely as prize money.
I think 1-2 MMA fighters might have made $1 million if you count the PPV%, but it's definitely a lot less than boxing, and therein lies the problem. If a card makes $30 million, and one fighter walks away with most of that, it ends up not being sustainable. Look at Affliction and what they were paying Tim Silvia, Arlovsky, Fedor, etc. $800,000+ per fight. Where are they now?
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Whereas the UFC makes millions per card and 90% of the fighters walk away with less than $50k. Same thing, smaller figures. ::)
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Whereas the UFC makes millions per card and 90% of the fighters walk away with less than $50k. Same thing, smaller figures. ::)
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You do realize that the wages reported are only part of the payroll. Besides, nobody is holding a gun to these guys heads to fight in the UFC if they are not happy with the payroll.
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Whereas the UFC makes millions per card and 90% of the fighters walk away with less than $50k. Same thing, smaller figures. ::)
Why shouldn't they? They invested their own money and made the UFC what it is today. The fighters make more money than they ever have. There are more fighting opportunities for the fighters than ever, more MMA fans than ever, more states that have sanctioned it than ever and it's growing faster than ever. All of this because the Fertitta brothers invested their money and made it what it is today. You're telling me they shouldn't be able to benefit from their investment?
It's no different than any other company. The owners make a lot more than the employees.
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Of course you feel that way given your vested interest in the company. The more money the UFC itself makes, the more money you make. Your entire argument is a gigantic contradiction. It's a problem when a few boxers make millions on a fight but it's OK for the UFC to short change anyone not named Brock Lesnar. Let's use $50 a card. At that price and 1 million purchases, that's $50 million in revenues. The UFC pays out maybe 3-5% of that to the fighters on the card (most of it going to one guy like Lesnar), and that's a very generous estimate for the amount paid out on a lot of these cards. Yeah, these fighters are really doing well. ::)
I'm guessing you'll counter with your idiotic argument that no name UFC fighters make a killing on sponsorships, which we all know is bullshit. A number of NFL players who are household names don't even do well with regards to sponsorships.
All joking aside, I will give you until tomorrow to provide proof that I have a vested interest in the UFC. If you provide the proof, I will hand you my modship. If you don't, you're out of this board.
Now, what exactly is your point in the above post? You sound incoherent...almost like you're on the verge of a major meltdown. You didn't address any of the points I made in my post ::) The company owners make more money, because they are the ones putting their own money on the line and the ones creating the employment opportunities. You really don't get that ???
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The problem with the UFC is alot like the IFBB. you are competing FOR the organization which is also the owner. The owner will make the lion share of the revenue no matter what. Take the top ten fighters in each weight class in boxing and compare their FIGHT earnings with the top ten fighters in each weight class in the UFC and I bet the average earnings in boxing is higher. boxing has been around for well over 100 years. It is not going anywhere. If fighting numbers went down they will still be around. If fight numbers go down in the UFC they will fold. The UFC is huge no doubt but boxing is doing just fine. Do you ever think a fighter in the UFC will make $5 million + a fight like in boxing. And I mean the top guys
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The problem with the UFC is alot like the IFBB. you are competing FOR the organization which is also the owner. The owner will make the lion share of the revenue no matter what. Take the top ten fighters in each weight class in boxing and compare their FIGHT earnings with the top ten fighters in each weight class in the UFC and I bet the average earnings in boxing is higher. boxing has been around for well over 100 years. It is not going anywhere. If fighting numbers went down they will still be around. If fight numbers go down in the UFC they will fold. The UFC is huge no doubt but boxing is doing just fine. Do you ever think a fighter in the UFC will make $5 million + a fight like in boxing. And I mean the top guys
For one, there is no reason that guys in the UFC should make as much as boxing. That is one of the good things about MMA. They are paid well, but not ridiculous amounts of money. This helps keep the sport as honest as it can be. Besides, MMA fighters fight more often as well. I just do not understand why people always compare MMA to Boxing. It is an entirely different sport. They can coexist.
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The problem with the UFC is alot like the IFBB. you are competing FOR the organization which is also the owner. The owner will make the lion share of the revenue no matter what. Take the top ten fighters in each weight class in boxing and compare their FIGHT earnings with the top ten fighters in each weight class in the UFC and I bet the average earnings in boxing is higher. boxing has been around for well over 100 years. It is not going anywhere. If fighting numbers went down they will still be around. If fight numbers go down in the UFC they will fold. The UFC is huge no doubt but boxing is doing just fine. Do you ever think a fighter in the UFC will make $5 million + a fight like in boxing. And I mean the top guys
Why should any fighter make millions upon millions of dollars ??? Before money came into MMA, guys were happy to fight for a few hundred bucks. Today, any UFC pro can make enough money to sustain themselves and their families and the top pros are making enough to be considered millionaires.
That said, by creating a situation in which MMA is quickly becoming mainstream and there are consistent events for fighters to participate in and where the sport is sanctioned in more places than ever and more/bigger sponsors are getting into it, the UFC is making it possible for fighters to make more than ever.
If the same model that boxing uses had been adopted in MMA, it would probably be dead by now or at best be relegated to underground matches and crappy organizations that notoriously rip off fighters.
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Why should any fighter make millions upon millions of dollars ??? Before money came into MMA, guys were happy to fight for a few hundred bucks. Today, any UFC pro can make enough money to sustain themselves and their families and the top pros are making enough to be considered millionaires.
That said, by creating a situation in which MMA is quickly becoming mainstream and there are consistent events for fighters to participate in and where the sport is sanctioned in more places than ever and more/bigger sponsors are getting into it, the UFC is making it possible for fighters to make more than ever.
If the same model that boxing uses had been adopted in MMA, it would probably be dead by now or at best be relegated to underground matches and crappy organizations that notoriously rip off fighters.
Same with boxing, guys fought in alleys, streets anywhere. Odd how you diss boxing and the way it is run when it has been around for more than 100 years, is an olympic sport, a prestigious amateur sport, watched and supported by millions of people around the world, is participated by millions of people from every country just about and pays its competitors a pretty good dollar. The funny thing is there is many more underground matches in MMA than in boxing. The ONLY worthwhile organization MMA is the UFC a privately owned company. The guys fighting in the UFC are not making enough money to sustain them when they are 50, 60 70 and 80 years old. There might be less than 5.
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Why should any fighter make millions upon millions of dollars ??? Before money came into MMA, guys were happy to fight for a few hundred bucks. Today, any UFC pro can make enough money to sustain themselves and their families and the top pros are making enough to be considered millionaires.
That said, by creating a situation in which MMA is quickly becoming mainstream and there are consistent events for fighters to participate in and where the sport is sanctioned in more places than ever and more/bigger sponsors are getting into it, the UFC is making it possible for fighters to make more than ever.
If the same model that boxing uses had been adopted in MMA, it would probably be dead by now or at best be relegated to underground matches and crappy organizations that notoriously rip off fighters.
The problems with money and greed started when MMA exploded and every fighter that used to just get ready for a fight themselves or at their school/academy started recruiting 'camp's or team's to train them, now the fighter has 5 guys on the payroll for that live and sleep with him for 6 weeks, you have a coach, manager, muay thai coach, jiu jitsu coach, nutritionist, additional training partners, strategy makers/planners, etc.
it's gotten ridiculous, this is actually why I've lost interest in MMA over the last 10-15 years, it's not really MMA anymore, now a fighter has 8 weeks notice, he knows who he will fight, can study their tapes and old fights, there's nothing raw or original about it, that's why I always like the Pride Grand Prix's!!! that stuff was killer, it was unpredictable , raw and the fighters couldn't prepare and study who they were gonna fight! it was AWESOME.
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LOL. Paying guys $20k a fight isn't ripping them off? That won't even cover pre-fight expenses for most of these guys. The only people not being ripped off are a handful of guys who sit at the top of the popularity chart and their respective classes.
Guess they could always fall back on the millions they make in endorsements. ::)
And this guy has the gall to call me the biased one. ::)
Who out there in MMA is offering the fighters better opportunity's and stability then the UFC? Remember, nobody is forcing these guys to fight in the UFC.
They could always fight in Strikeforce and wonder every show if this is going to be its last. Can you name any fighters that have benefited their careers by leaving the UFC?
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as long as a guy with a 5-1 record is ranked #2 in the world, mma means jack shit. it is a little kids game.
there are plenty of boxers with records like 30-4 who would die for a title shot if they could get it
Right.
I have no interest in seeing guys wrestle on the floor.