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Title: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 19, 2010, 02:29:12 PM
i know you guys are a bit slow and losing your hair but cmon isnt it obvious you should take some precautionary measures when feeding your face?
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: The True Adonis on February 19, 2010, 02:31:51 PM
The drugs you smoke present a larger cancer risk than ingesting any type of meat.

You should look into alternative methods of ingestion, perhaps eat your marijuana.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 19, 2010, 02:36:46 PM
The drugs you smoke present a larger cancer risk than ingesting any type of meat.

You should look into alternative methods of ingestion, perhaps eat your marijuana.

Hope this helps.

i dont mess with it any more since it almost killed me with my high intake of yeast making my heart nearly explode

im sure youll accept the risks of meat eating gladly but i dont understand why

i smoked weed for a long time because very few have died from it and i never noticed any ill effects from it until i had yeast in my diet in large amounts
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 19, 2010, 02:39:18 PM
Are you suggesting Boca products?
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: drkaje on February 19, 2010, 02:43:20 PM
Veganism is a sign of latent homosexuality.
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 19, 2010, 03:18:57 PM
Are you suggesting Boca products?

there are some cheaper versions wich are really tasty usually right next to the more expensive boca stuff,
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on February 19, 2010, 04:17:07 PM
soy can cause reduced libito in men..

not that a man who eats veggie burgers should be getting any anyway.
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 19, 2010, 04:20:40 PM
soy can cause reduced libito in men..

not that a man who eats veggie burgers should be getting any anyway.

yeah continue to eat meat and cowar in anonymity because your face and body sucks
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: io856 on February 19, 2010, 04:27:32 PM
meat = team

meaning you should work as a team with animals


 ;)
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 19, 2010, 04:28:45 PM
meat = team

meaning you should work as a team with animals


 ;)

yes exactly what ive been saying bros
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on February 19, 2010, 04:28:54 PM
yeah continue to eat meat and cowar in anonymity because your face and body sucks

i guess eveyone else on here who eats real food and still has thier nuts is butt ugly to you..  sure sure, if you say so

maybe if i had a life spent posting pics of zero progress in the gym and rambling my burnout loser nonsense to an internet bodybuilding site than all that would change

;D
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: pugalist666 on February 19, 2010, 04:29:29 PM
yeah continue to eat meat and cowar in anonymity because your face and body sucks
pot meet kettle ,
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: polychronopolous on February 19, 2010, 04:30:28 PM
Because it tastes like shit that's why.

Every night you can turn on the Discovery channel and see a lion ripping out the guts of a baby zebra and eating it while it's still alive, now why don't you go out to Africa and lay a guilt trip on them and leave us people who like the occasional hamburger alone.

You sound just like the same whiny liberals you are always bashing when you come on here and promote "veggie burgers".
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 19, 2010, 04:36:28 PM
Because it tastes like shit that's why.

Every night you can turn on the Discovery channel and see a lion ripping out the guts of a baby zebra and eating it while it's still alive, now why don't you go out to Africa and lay a guilt trip on them and leave us people who like the occasional hamburger alone.

You sound just like the same whiny liberals you are always bashing when you come on here and promote "veggie burgers".

u know about 5 years ago i thought just like you guys how awesome it was to eat meat and that it was superior at that time

i just thought id make a thread about it to help many here who are ashamed to even post any squadfatheresque style picture, if you are superior to squadfather then ill just keep my mouth shut :)
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: polychronopolous on February 19, 2010, 04:38:28 PM
u know about 5 years ago i thought just like you guys how awesome it was to eat meat and that it was superior at that time

i just thought id make a thread about it to help many here who are ashamed to even post any squadfatheresque style picture, if you are superior to squadfather then ill just keep my mouth shut :)

What do you mean "superior" to squadfather? In what way?
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on February 19, 2010, 04:42:34 PM
u know about 5 years ago i thought just like you guys how awesome it was to eat meat and that it was superior at that time

i just thought id make a thread about it to help many here who are ashamed to even post any squadfatheresque style picture, if you are superior to squadfather then ill just keep my mouth shut :)

95% of getbig is superior, physique wise, to squadfather.  my guess is most of us eat meat.  

i have a friend who used to eat meat and look like crap.

she has been a strict vegetarian for over a year now and still looks like crap.

zevel ze zevel.
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: polychronopolous on February 19, 2010, 04:50:58 PM
u know about 5 years ago i thought just like you guys how awesome it was to eat meat and that it was superior at that time

i just thought id make a thread about it to help many here who are ashamed to even post any squadfatheresque style picture, if you are superior to squadfather then ill just keep my mouth shut :)


95% of getbig is superior, physique wise, to squadfather.  my guess is most of us eat meat.  

i have a friend who used to eat meat and look like crap.

she has been a strict vegetarian for over a year now and still looks like crap.

zevel ze zevel.


I have posted several pics since I started posting here but weirdly enough I got called out by sevastase yesterday wanting me to post a recent pic so I went ahead and put a couple on the "Soapy Studs" sticky thread on the Y Board.

Nothing special but surely better than Squadfather.
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 19, 2010, 04:58:29 PM

I have posted several pics since I started posting here but weirdly enough I got called out by sevastase yesterday wanting me to post a recent pic so I went ahead and put a couple on the "Soapy Studs" sticky thread on the Y Board.

Nothing special but surely better than Squadfather.

ok u look short and have some muscle no abs though, dont you want to improve?  the meat is holding you bak everytime u eat meat u deplete your bone calcium because your body tries to balance its ph

this is a law of body chemistry , something i dont expect short men under 5'10  to comprehend evenafter the 10th time ive said it on get big, by the way im teasing and dont compare me to half truth condescending libertarians/democrats

Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: polychronopolous on February 19, 2010, 05:04:35 PM
ok u look short and have some muscle no abs though, dont you want to improve?  the meat is holding you bak everytime u eat meat u deplete your bone calcium because your body tries to balance its ph

this is a law of body chemistry , something i dont expect short men under 5'10  to comprehend evenafter the 10th time ive said it on get big, by the way im teasing and dont compare me to half truth condescending libertarians/democrats



For one I am 5'11 hardly "short", way shorter than you but then again EVERYONE is short compared to your tall ass!  8)

Secondly, there is more too life than "spirtual pathways", rippedness and fine assed hoes... I personally like to drink beer and eat steaks, pork chops,hamburgers etc.

If that means a little more fat on my stomach so be it but at least I am doing what I love... drinking, eating good tasting food and lifting weights.

Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 19, 2010, 05:11:56 PM
For one I am 5'11 hardly "short", way shorter than you but then again EVERYONE is short compared to your tall ass!  8)

Secondly, there is more too life than "spirtual pathways", rippedness and fine assed hoes... I personally like to drink beer and eat steaks, pork chops,hamburgers etc.

If that means a little more fat on my stomach so be it but at least I am doing what I love... drinking, eating good tasting food and lifting weights.



riiiiiight keep trying to convince yourself of that, unless you REEEEALY like posting on getbig

face it bro, i have a really strong mind, maybe too strong for getbig , u cant slip a lie past me like that buddy boy  ;)

just take my advice and prosper bro
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: drkaje on February 19, 2010, 05:36:24 PM
I've read somewhere about veggie burger companies add a little protein* so they're more palatable to gays.

* Yes guys, "Straight from the tap!". :)
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: polychronopolous on February 19, 2010, 05:39:42 PM
riiiiiight keep trying to convince yourself of that, unless you REEEEALY like posting on getbig

face it bro, i have a really strong mind, maybe too strong for getbig , u cant slip a lie past me like that buddy boy  ;)

just take my advice and prosper bro

Respect. (5:20-5:35)   ;D

Alright, I tell you what, I will at least give the idea a little more thought, perhaps your ideas and theories are not as far fetched as I originally assumed.  8)

Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: James Blunt on February 19, 2010, 06:09:29 PM
It proven that the sun itself causes cancer. Are you going to stay inside now?

Having something potentially cause cancer is no reason to avoid it. Think deeper Falcon.
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 19, 2010, 06:09:39 PM
Respect. (5:20-5:35)   ;D

Alright, I tell you what, I will at least give the idea a little more thought, perhaps your ideas and theories are not as far fetched as I originally assumed.  8)



yeah man we all on the same side on getbig

respect :)
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 19, 2010, 06:12:43 PM
Just a question Falcon did Jesus eat meat?
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 19, 2010, 06:14:37 PM
It proven that the sun itself causes cancer. Are you going to stay inside now?

Having something potentially cause cancer is no reason to avoid it. Think deeper Falcon.


ok your being overly sensational , the sun provides much much MUCH more good than it does bad

please spare me the advice of "thinking deeper" as your trick to sound above me, ive provided more thought provoking topics than anyone on here 100 fold , perhaps you need to read the bible young man
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 19, 2010, 06:21:24 PM
Just a question Falcon did Jesus eat meat?

he may have , they did alot of fishing in those days but  i dont know, he referd to food many times as meat in those days in the bible, that doesnt mean literally meat

i dont see where he was against it,  but some would argue fish is not meat even in this day and maybe in yester-day

we have to think about when the time of the bible was written too, the bible certainly preached thrifty methods of existance, and meat eating would be highly wasteful IMO

so even if he didnt outright deny meat eating he gave other signs perhaps not to, but the evidence is there in modern day that meat eating fucks up your ph and draws out calcium
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 19, 2010, 06:26:13 PM
he may have , they did alot of fishing in those days but  i dont know, he referd to food many times as meat in those days in the bible, that doesnt mean literally meat

i dont see where he was against it,  but some would argue fish is not meat even in this day and maybe in yester-day

we have to think about when the time of the bible was written too, the bible certainly preached thrifty methods of existance, and meat eating would be highly wasteful IMO

so even if he didnt outright deny meat eating he gave other signs perhaps not to, but the evidence is there in modern day that meat eating fucks up your ph and draws out calcium
Now do you consider fish a meat? Then if killing animals for food is one reason for not eating meat, fish are cold blooded and are not mammals so question is killing a fish for food is not the same as killing a cow?
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: James Blunt on February 19, 2010, 06:27:43 PM

ok your being overly sensational , the sun provides much much MUCH more good than it does bad

please spare me the advice of "thinking deeper" as your trick to sound above me, ive provided more thought provoking topics than anyone on here 100 fold , perhaps you need to read the bible young man
;D cmon now guy so does everything that isn't soy related.

as for the second part, I have no reason to want to be above you. and what you've done for the board is nice I liked the reptilian saga.The bible will be the last thing I ever think of reading. Sorry. I read enough fairy tales as a kid.
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 19, 2010, 06:30:47 PM
;D cmon now guy so does everything that isn't soy related.

as for the second part, I have no reason to want to be above you. and what you've done for the board is nice I liked the reptilian saga.The bible will be the last thing I ever think of reading. Sorry. I read enough fairy tales as a kid.

yes stick to reading the bible on page a week, start off with the red highlited words since they are supposed to be from jesus and they also happen to be the most interesting and thought provoking passages in the bible
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: EL Mariachi on February 19, 2010, 06:35:10 PM
you just had a panic attack smoking...

second, have to agree on olive oil, very good for the heart and good cholsterol, tastes great even cooking chicken, good stuff
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 19, 2010, 06:35:34 PM
Now do you consider fish a meat? Then if killing animals for food is one reason for not eating meat, fish are cold blooded and are not mammals so question is killing a fish for food is not the same as killing a cow?

well fish has the same acidifying effects in the body so yes its a meat.

i think killing a fish has far less impact on karma and health when eating it than killing a cow and eating that

a cow is a huge fucking creature, i cant judge that big ass animal and say all that cows life worth to me is only to be killed for a meal just because my ancestors did it doesnt mean its right
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 19, 2010, 06:37:15 PM
you just had a panic attack smoking...

second, have to agree on olive oil, very good for the heart and good cholsterol, tastes great even cooking chicken, good stuff

hush your mouth little 5feet8 mexican man ive already explained the yeast and its possible negative drug interactions that can cause hypertensive situations and heart attacks and death by natural causes
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: James Blunt on February 19, 2010, 06:48:34 PM
yes stick to reading the bible on page a week, start off with the red highlited words since they are supposed to be from jesus and they also happen to be the most interesting and thought provoking passages in the bible
This isn't going to happen. You smoke weed and you still think the bible is a good idea. Amazing.
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: che on February 19, 2010, 06:50:29 PM
I eat stake twice a day, I don't have cancer and I'm leaner than you Falcon :D.
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 19, 2010, 06:53:31 PM
This isn't going to happen. You smoke weed and you still think the bible is a good idea. Amazing.

i quit smoking it since it almost killed me 2 times in a row so fuck that
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 19, 2010, 06:54:07 PM
I eat stake twice a day, I don't have cancer and I'm leaner than you Falcon :D.

post a pic with a sign and your name adressing getbig you internet badass
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: che on February 19, 2010, 06:55:12 PM
post a pic with a sign and your name adressing getbig you internet badass
Why?
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 19, 2010, 06:56:38 PM
Why?

FAIL
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Krankenstein on February 20, 2010, 05:41:20 AM
ok u look short and have some muscle no abs though, dont you want to improve?  the meat is holding you bak everytime u eat meat u deplete your bone calcium because your body tries to balance its ph

this is a law of body chemistry , something i dont expect short men under 5'10  to comprehend evenafter the 10th time ive said it on get big, by the way im teasing and dont compare me to half truth condescending libertarians/democrats


Vegetarian diet can weaken bones

Sydney, July 3:
Australian researchers have revealed that people who consume only vegetarian food are more likely to have slightly weaker bones than their non-veg eating counterparts.

The latest study is a joint venture of Australian and Vietnamese researchers. Nguyen from the Sydney’s Garvan Institute for Medical Research worked on this project in collaboration with the Pham Ngoc Thach University of Medicine in Ho Chi Minh City.

Vegetarians have a lower bone density
For the research purposes, more than 2700 people were taken into account. A relationship between bones and the type of diet eaten, was then determined by the scientists.

It was found that vegetarians have five percent less bone density than that in people who eat meat, said lead researcher Tuan Nguyen.

Nguyen further explained that the bones were six percent weaker in those who eliminated all kinds of animal products from their diet, particularly the vegans.

Vegans do not include meat, eggs, dairy products and all the other animal-derived ingredients in their food.

However, almost no difference was found between the bones of non-vegetarians and Ovo-Lacto vegetarians.

Ovo-Lacto vegetarians are basically those people who eat eggs and dairy products but do not include meat and seafood in their diet.

Nguyen wrote in the study, “The results suggest that vegetarian diets
, particularly vegan diets, are associated with lower bone mineral density."

“But the magnitude of the association is clinically insignificant,”he added.

Low bone density and osteoporosis linked
However, the question whether lower bone density can raise the risk of getting a fracture remains yet to be answered.

Nguyen was quoted as saying, “Given the rising number of vegetarians, roughly five per cent (of people) in western countries, and the widespread incidence of osteoporosis, the issue is worth resolving,” he said.

The new study has been published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Krankenstein on February 20, 2010, 05:45:11 AM
Hormones and Diet
Part Two: Testosterone


By Gary F. Zeolla

Note: This article was revised and expanded and incorporated as a chapter in the book God-given Foods Eating Plan.

Vegetarianism


The source of protein can make a difference as to its effect on T levels. Specifically, is the protein from meat or non-meat sources?

A 1989 study looked at this issue. "The purpose of this study was to determine the levels of unconjugated steroids and steroid glucuronides as well as sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) among normal adult men who were either omnivorous or vegetarians."

Blood tests were done on "white volunteers ranging from 25-35 years of age." The levels of total T, DHEA, and other T-precursors were similar in the two groups. But, "Vegetarian group showed a higher levels of sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) while the free androgen index (FAI; calculated by the ratio testosterone/SHBG) was lower in this group."

The researchers concluded, "Our data suggest that in a vegetarian group, less testosterone is available for androgenic action" (Belanger).

    Moreover:
    Cholesterol is the building block of testosterone, so it would make sense that a meat-eating, cholesterol consuming diet would yield more of the big T that a vegetarian diet would. And indeed, that's what a 1985 study found when it looked at a large cross-section of omnivores and vegetarians. What was surprising was how significant the difference was: The meat-eaters actually had 36 percent more T than the guys who stuck to rabbit food….

    A 1989 study found pretty much the same thing: The meat-eaters ate more fat, more cholesterol, more saturated fat, and less fiber than the vegetarians and had 31 percent more testosterone (Schuler, p.86).

    Another study had similar results:
    A Dutch study published in 1992 looked at changes in T levels on these two diets. A group of young male endurance athletes ate and trained on each diet for 6 weeks. (Half started on the meat-rich diet, half on the vegetarian diet; then they switched.) Total testosterone declined 35 percent when the athletes used the vegetarian diet (Schuler, p.76).

So the consumption of meat raises T levels while a vegetarian diet lowers T levels. Another issue in regards to vegetarians could be that soy is often included as a source of protein on a vegetarian diet. But research shows that soy can lower T levels (Di Pasquale, p.44; see also my article Soy: Health Food or Food to Avoid?).

However, even the inclusion of dairy and eggs would not correct the problem. "Dutch research shows that athletes had higher testosterone levels when eating meat-based protein, compared with other sources, such as dairy and eggs" (Thorton, p.155). So even an ovo-lacto-vegetarian diet would not be good for T levels.

And this shows that it is not the fat and cholesterol in meat that raises T levels as these are found in dairy and eggs. It has something to do with meat itself. And it should be noted that "meat" is usually used in a general sense to refer to red meat, poultry, and fish. So it is not necessary to consume a diet high in saturated fat and cholesterol. A diet rich in healthy fats and lean meats would provide the T raising effects just as well as one high fatty meats and thus high in saturated fat and cholesterol.

Moreover, "… the omega-3s can provide an excellent hedge against worries about cholesterol. Blood pressure, clotting, immune response, insulin resistance, and triglyceride levels are all positively affected. Even in cases where dietary cholesterol is increased, omega-3s may aid in actually lowering cholesterol." And, "… factors that can decrease the tendency of LDL ["bad" cholesterol] to oxidize (such as the use of monounsaturated and marine oils) can negate any harmful effects a higher-[saturated] fat diet may have on CVD [cardio-vascular disease]" (Di Pasquale, pp. 82, 91).

So even if more saturated fat and cholesterol are consumed, if the above recommendation to consume foods high in MUFAs and Omega-3s is followed, then possible negative effects would be negated. A copious consumption of veggies (as was recommended in Part One) would further help to negate any possible deleterious effects.

And with the inclusion of healthy fats and veggies, a meat-based, omnivore diet would be healthier than a vegetarian diet as it would enhance and optimize hormones, rather than having a deleterious effects on hormones like a vegetarian diet does.

It is for these reasons that Men's Health magazine declared, "In fact, many of the classic dietary commandments-restrict your overall calories, eat a lot of roughage, avoid animal flesh-are a virtual recipe for lowering T." And "Perhaps the ideal diet to drop your testosterone is high fiber and vegetarian-and the ideal way to raise it is the red-meat approach" (Thorton, p.154).

Another problem with a vegetarian diet is that it lowers IGF-1 levels (Di Pasquale, p.44). Vegetarian diets are also inevitably low in protein and usually high in carbs, which would lead to depressed GH levels.

    Given the above, the following study is not surprising:
    An interesting 1999 study compared the muscle-building effects of two different diets on 19 overweight, sedentary men ages 51-69. Nine of the men ate a diet in which half of the protein came from meat and other animal sources-a typical Western diet. The other 10 ate a vegetarian diet that included dairy and eggs (but, obviously, no meat). Both groups were put on the same weight-lifting program.

    Look at the results that the study found after 12 weeks:
    Meat-Eaters: Muscle: Gained 3.74 lb.; Fat: Lost 2.86 lb.
    Vegetarians: Muscle: Lost 1.76 lb.; Fat: Gained: 0.22 lb. (Schuler, pp.75,76).
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: drkaje on February 20, 2010, 05:52:26 AM
Soy is very estrogenic, DFFL.
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 20, 2010, 05:56:10 AM
Hormones and Diet
Part Two: Testosterone


By Gary F. Zeolla

Note: This article was revised and expanded and incorporated as a chapter in the book God-given Foods Eating Plan.

Vegetarianism


The source of protein can make a difference as to its effect on T levels. Specifically, is the protein from meat or non-meat sources?

A 1989 study looked at this issue. "The purpose of this study was to determine the levels of unconjugated steroids and steroid glucuronides as well as sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) among normal adult men who were either omnivorous or vegetarians."

Blood tests were done on "white volunteers ranging from 25-35 years of age." The levels of total T, DHEA, and other T-precursors were similar in the two groups. But, "Vegetarian group showed a higher levels of sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) while the free androgen index (FAI; calculated by the ratio testosterone/SHBG) was lower in this group."

The researchers concluded, "Our data suggest that in a vegetarian group, less testosterone is available for androgenic action" (Belanger).

    Moreover:
    Cholesterol is the building block of testosterone, so it would make sense that a meat-eating, cholesterol consuming diet would yield more of the big T that a vegetarian diet would. And indeed, that's what a 1985 study found when it looked at a large cross-section of omnivores and vegetarians. What was surprising was how significant the difference was: The meat-eaters actually had 36 percent more T than the guys who stuck to rabbit food….



    Another study had similar results:
    A Dutch study published in 1992 looked at changes in T levels on these two diets. A group of young male endurance athletes ate and trained on each diet for 6 weeks. (Half started on the meat-rich diet, half on the vegetarian diet; then they switched.) Total testosterone declined 35 percent when the athletes used the vegetarian diet (Schuler, p.76).

So the consumption of meat raises T levels while a vegetarian diet lowers T levels. Another issue in regards to vegetarians could be that soy is often included as a source of protein on a vegetarian diet. But research shows that soy can lower T levels (Di Pasquale, p.44; see also my article Soy: Health Food or Food to Avoid?).

However, even the inclusion of dairy and eggs would not correct the problem. "Dutch research shows that athletes had higher testosterone levels when eating meat-based protein, compared with other sources, such as dairy and eggs" (Thorton, p.155). So even an ovo-lacto-vegetarian diet would not be good for T levels.

And this shows that it is not the fat and cholesterol in meat that raises T levels as these are found in dairy and eggs. It has something to do with meat itself. And it should be noted that "meat" is usually used in a general sense to refer to red meat, poultry, and fish. So it is not necessary to consume a diet high in saturated fat and cholesterol. A diet rich in healthy fats and lean meats would provide the T raising effects just as well as one high fatty meats and thus high in saturated fat and cholesterol.

Moreover, "… the omega-3s can provide an excellent hedge against worries about cholesterol. Blood pressure, clotting, immune response, insulin resistance, and triglyceride levels are all positively affected. Even in cases where dietary cholesterol is increased, omega-3s may aid in actually lowering cholesterol." And, "… factors that can decrease the tendency of LDL ["bad" cholesterol] to oxidize (such as the use of monounsaturated and marine oils) can negate any harmful effects a higher-[saturated] fat diet may have on CVD [cardio-vascular disease]" (Di Pasquale, pp. 82, 91).

So even if more saturated fat and cholesterol are consumed, if the above recommendation to consume foods high in MUFAs and Omega-3s is followed, then possible negative effects would be negated. A copious consumption of veggies (as was recommended in Part One) would further help to negate any possible deleterious effects.

And with the inclusion of healthy fats and veggies, a meat-based, omnivore diet would be healthier than a vegetarian diet as it would enhance and optimize hormones, rather than having a deleterious effects on hormones like a vegetarian diet does.

It is for these reasons that Men's Health magazine declared, "In fact, many of the classic dietary commandments-restrict your overall calories, eat a lot of roughage, avoid animal flesh-are a virtual recipe for lowering T." And "Perhaps the ideal diet to drop your testosterone is high fiber and vegetarian-and the ideal way to raise it is the red-meat approach" (Thorton, p.154).

Another problem with a vegetarian diet is that it lowers IGF-1 levels (Di Pasquale, p.44). Vegetarian diets are also inevitably low in protein and usually high in carbs, which would lead to depressed GH levels.

    Given the above, the following study is not surprising:
    An interesting 1999 study compared the muscle-building effects of two different diets on 19 overweight, sedentary men ages 51-69. Nine of the men ate a diet in which half of the protein came from meat and other animal sources-a typical Western diet. The other 10 ate a vegetarian diet that included dairy and eggs (but, obviously, no meat). Both groups were put on the same weight-lifting program.

    Look at the results that the study found after 12 weeks:
    Meat-Eaters: Muscle: Gained 3.74 lb.; Fat: Lost 2.86 lb.
    Vegetarians: Muscle: Lost 1.76 lb.; Fat: Gained: 0.22 lb. (Schuler, pp.75,76).


tell me then how come im still bigger than everyone on this board at over 30 years old on a vegetarian diet

you know muscle building doesnt say that protien is more important than calories

calories are the ultimate heat factor

these studies are 20 years old from 1989

its funny all these clowns trying to sound smarter than me but would are small men

you can also have high testosterone but an acidic bone mass losing body

you sound extra stupid as if you dont even read what you wrote yet people will some how beleive you cause they naturally hate the falcon


    A 1989 study found pretty much the same thing: The meat-eaters ate more fat, more cholesterol, more saturated fat, and less fiber than the vegetarians and had 31 percent more testosterone (Schuler, p.86).

isnt it obvious if you eat more fat and calories that you grow more DUHHHH
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 20, 2010, 05:58:04 AM
man i swear you meat pushers and libs are the dumbest motherfuckers ever only posting half truths to come off as some superior, you guys are wasting my fucking time this morning having to refute all of your dumbshit, these studies do not prove that if you eat meat you hold more muscle, its all about average assimilation of calories per day
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 20, 2010, 05:59:28 AM
man i swear you meat pushers and libs are the dumbest motherfuckers ever only posting half truths to come off as some superior, you guys are wasting my fucking time this morning having to refute all of your dumbshit, these studies do not prove that if you eat meat you hold more muscle, its all about average assimilation of calories per day
Falcon so what are drawbacks from eating meat?
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: The Showstoppa on February 20, 2010, 06:05:28 AM
No offense johnny, but I have never seen a single person who looked worth a shit who was a vegan for longer than a year.  Sickly, yellow and weak as a washrag telling other people they "aren't healthy."
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 20, 2010, 06:05:36 AM
Falcon so what are drawbacks from eating meat?

bone loss wich= metabolism loss= more prone to aging

acidic body

much higher risk of prostate cancer, colon cancer, heart disease . meat sticks to your insides far too long developing worms inside of you, just like even if a little bit is inside thats what will happen it will feed the worm, this doesnt happen with other foods
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 20, 2010, 06:09:29 AM
bone loss wich= metabolism loss= more prone to aging

acidic body

much higher risk of prostate cancer, colon cancer, heart disease . meat sticks to your insides far too long developing worms inside of you, just like even if a little bit is inside thats what will happen it will feed the worm, this doesnt happen with other foods
What about mercer, colon cancer and hair loss any evidence on these items?
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 20, 2010, 06:09:39 AM
No offense johnny, but I have never seen a single person who looked worth a shit who was a vegan for longer than a year.  Sickly, yellow and weak as a washrag telling other people they "aren't healthy."

because they arent as advanced as me and dont have a bodybuilding mindset and dont eat ALOT of other things,

on a vegetarian diet you have to eat ALOT more because your muscles like to shrink beacause it isnt being pumped full of inflamatory iron as apposed to non inflamatory iron wich i beleives gives meat eaters more size easily,

on a vegetarian diet you might have to eat more and be more consistent with working out but you dont have all the health risks that ive listed above when i adressed mr nobody
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 20, 2010, 06:11:43 AM
What about mercer, colon cancer and hair loss any evidence on these items?

yes certainly hairloss, nearly everyone in my family has hairloss except me, i only lost a little hair in my early 20's  when i ate pounds of meat daily, im glad i stopped


theres tons of evidence to the correlation of colon cancer and meat eating
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: The Showstoppa on February 20, 2010, 06:11:52 AM
because they arent as advanced as me and dont have a bodybuilding mindset and dont eat ALOT of other things,

on a vegetarian diet you have to eat ALOT more because your muscles like to shrink beacause it isnt being pumped full of inflamatory iron as apposed to non inflamatory iron wich i beleives gives meat eaters more size easily,

on a vegetarian diet you might have to eat more and be more consistent with working out but you dont have all the health risks that ive listed above when i adressed mr nobody

So you just kinda graze all day?  That seems more sensible.
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: drkaje on February 20, 2010, 06:14:28 AM
No offense johnny, but I have never seen a single person who looked worth a shit who was a vegan for longer than a year.  Sickly, yellow and weak as a washrag telling other people they "aren't healthy."

It's a GetBig disease, Show. Someone will make a little progress Google some stuff and then anoint themselves expert. Adonis got pretty carried away with the dietary advice for a while, too.
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 20, 2010, 06:16:07 AM
So you just kinda graze all day?  That seems more sensible.

i eat alot of waffles and french toast too, i shit sometimes 3-4 a day drink alot of grapejuice ect.

the more you shit the less chance you have of that shit building up in you inflaming your insides and fermenting in a bad way such as micro worms
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 20, 2010, 06:21:16 AM
just think if one little shred of meat attaining worms inside your body that shit is fucked up IMO but go ahead yall and die by the meat
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Krankenstein on February 20, 2010, 08:14:23 AM
tell me then how come im still bigger than everyone on this board at over 30 years old on a vegetarian diet

you know muscle building doesnt say that protien is more important than calories

calories are the ultimate heat factor

these studies are 20 years old from 1989

its funny all these clowns trying to sound smarter than me but would are small men

you can also have high testosterone but an acidic bone mass losing body

you sound extra stupid as if you dont even read what you wrote yet people will some how beleive you cause they naturally hate the falcon


    A 1989 study found pretty much the same thing: The meat-eaters ate more fat, more cholesterol, more saturated fat, and less fiber than the vegetarians and had 31 percent more testosterone (Schuler, p.86).

isnt it obvious if you eat more fat and calories that you grow more DUHHHH

You arent bigger than everyone on this board.  Your ego maybe, thats about it.  You sit and preach about hate, but you exhibit far more than anyone else.  Someone disagrees with you and points out facts that dispute yours...and you call them stupid and how they hate the "falcon"  ::)

I could have pulled out studies from 2006 - 2009 if I so chose.  I made a quick search and found those for you to read and learn from. 
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Marty Champions on February 20, 2010, 02:57:37 PM
You arent bigger than everyone on this board.  Your ego maybe, thats about it.  You sit and preach about hate, but you exhibit far more than anyone else.  Someone disagrees with you and points out facts that dispute yours...and you call them stupid and how they hate the "falcon"  ::)

I could have pulled out studies from 2006 - 2009 if I so chose.  I made a quick search and found those for you to read and learn from. 

your study didnt even back up your point , it only backed up calories as the ultimate indicater of growth, people only can dispute me doesnt mean anybody has proven me wrong every ones attempt to has resulted in FAIL after FAIL
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: Krankenstein on February 20, 2010, 03:43:57 PM
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090615095940.htm

Lets hope you apply your vegetarianism stance to your consumption of pot
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: che on February 20, 2010, 03:56:29 PM
.  Someone disagrees with you and points out facts that dispute yours...and you call them stupid and how they hate the "falcon"  ::)

That's is a # 1 symptom of delusion.
Title: Re: Why dont u bros just eat veggie burgers since it provides no cancer risks
Post by: drkaje on February 20, 2010, 03:56:49 PM
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090615095940.htm

Lets hope you apply your vegetarianism stance to your consumption of pot

Many people these days can't appreciate the difference between information and knowledge. :)