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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: MattT on February 28, 2010, 04:49:58 PM
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http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/contests/2010-arnold-classic/2722-road-to-the-arnold-kai-greene-trains-back-with-dorian-yates-part-one.html
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http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/contests/2010-arnold-classic/2723-road-to-the-arnold-kai-greene-trains-back-with-dorian-yates-part-two.html
Part 3 is available also.
Dorian is would be an awesome trainer but he has much better things to do with his time.
Kai reps too fast
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fuckin gvideo loading slow like a hooker
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That sucked.
Brutal telling the Arnold Classic champion to slow down the negative portion of the rep.
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fuckin gvideo loading slow like a hooker
me too,,,
i just get it goin and pause it, go back to gb for a few to give it a head start.
interested to see it, kai has that low insert back,,, was surprised at the o he didn't really have the size tho,,,
and dorian was dorian so...
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That sucked.
Brutal telling the Arnold Classic champion to slow down the negative portion of the rep.
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Brutal 6 time olympian telling the 0 time olympian to slow down.
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I just love when people try to overcomplicate lifting as long as you aren't doing the rep too fast or two slow but at a moderate pace it's not rocket science
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dorian didn't trained THAT slow, he is exaggerating
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I just love when people try to overcomplicate lifting as long as you aren't doing the rep too fast or two slow but at a moderate pace it's not rocket science
HIPP HIPP HURRAY
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I dont like Dorians training technique, I don't care if he is 6 time Mr O. its not exactly because of his science hi tech training...
I hate people trying to make science of simple things.
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Turn the fucking camera of...wow, cool dude!
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end of the day, most of the stimulus is caused during the eccentric, or negative portion of a movement as this is where we are activating the most fibers, Dorian isn't exactly telling him to jump off a bridge.
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funny getting through the 1st part dorian expalining the 3 sections to kai,,, as if he didn't know already... yeah a lotta bb's are dumb when it comes to training because sauce does a lotta work,,, like the other thread about the guy thats only been training for 4 yrs...
but kai is seems to know his stuff from past vids... actually its more of a production/directing issue in that dorian is seen as he is really "training" kai... which by everyones response to the vid,,, it was poorly executed... i didn't watch the whole thing yet,,, the 1st part with dorian is so weak it hurts...
just checkin bak here so i know what i'm in store for,,, guess it's gonna be much of the same with a lotta fast forward. lol
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end of the day, most of the stimulus is caused during the eccentric, or negative portion of a movement as this is where we are activating the most fibers, Dorian isn't exactly telling him to jump off a bridge.
You are wrong. During the eccentric phase of movement LESS muscle fibers contract thus there is MORE force exerted on those fibers.
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would like to hear more convo on mind set of dorian etc., than the actual machine mechanics... its a machine,,, you don't need that whole build up,,, coulda just said 1 2 3 ie count 1 posi 2 stati 3 negi,,, again, they could do more discussion intead of "acting"
dorian had a great back,,, kai has a unique back,,, do more training method bs instead. for these guys anyway.
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publicity stunt,,for dorian
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You are wrong. During the eccentric phase of movement LESS muscle fibers contract thus there is MORE force exerted on those fibers.
IT's not a matter of less muscle fibers contracting, it's the way in which they are working that shifts.
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me too,,,
i just get it goin and pause it, go back to gb for a few to give it a head start.
interested to see it, kai has that low insert back,,, was surprised at the o he didn't really have the size tho,,,
and dorian was dorian so...
Always have problems with MD vids >:(
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Always have problems with MD vids >:(
Only worse ones out there are Flexonline videos, which take even longer to load (if the link works at all), lol.
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DY looks 60 years old :-\
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Yates owns your minds, and kai too.
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Interesting thread; thanks Matt T.
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DY looks 60 years old :-\
Bodybuilding is the key to health and youth.
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I don't know what you mutherfukkers are talking about, but everything Dorian said in that video was true.
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I can't see the video cos I'm at work but it seems to me that Dorian is getting quite a rep now for good quality training advice to pros - people take his theories seriously, not necessarily because he was a six-time Mr Olympia, but, because of his no-nonsense approach to training and work-ethic. Kai probably knows his stuff too and doesn't come across as an egomaniac or anythign, but still, he could do a lot worse that listen to Dorian.
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when it comes to isolating the back dorian knows his shit...
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Ya'll didn't catch in the beginning Kai was making that treadmill squeak on purpose. ;D
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fuckin gvideo loading slow like a hooker
Maybe you should upgrade to this new fangled 56k modem bits per second in turbo mode? Whoaw!
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when it comes to isolating the back dorian knows his shit...
yeah yeah but why can't they train in the tank tops so the fanz can see the muscle being worked?
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kai should have learned something there but he will revert back to his old ways.
Yates schooled the teacher and the student. owned.
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kai should have leaned something there but he will revert back to his old ways.
Yates schooled the teacher and the student. owned.
You honestly think at the level Kai's at, that some tips from Dorian will help him to move up placings? lol.
It's all about the body responding well to the drugs/diet. He knows how to train.
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This is what Otus said on MD. :)
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=81688.
These guys are f*ing morons!!! How hard is it to follow simple direction!??!
It's not like Dorian is asking them to find the derivative of the secant line of f(x).
Oscar is a JOOOOOOOKKEEEE!!!! His ass is out of breath on the stairmaster going slow as hell. C'mon dude, kids have more stamina than Oscar.
Oscar thinks he was in Blood and Guts! He was so nice, then when he does the first lat exercise he's moaning, screaming, likes hes doing some heavy weights.
They both had to use straps for 225 deadlifts. Thats pathetic. Dorian put oscars ass in place, telling him that he "needs to start putting some f*ing weight" on the deadlift. Oscar did 10 reps for 225 and was way to dramatic.
Kai is a dumbass. He thinks he some sort of guru, talking like he's smart. He tries to use big words but he just can't pull it off. He's always trying to make his speeches legendary like if his words are going to be compared to Gandhi. He looked like a boy, taking advice from Dorian...like he never knew how to workout or something. He couldn't even do the first exercise the right way...WHAT A DUMBASS!! How many times does Dorian have to explain to this fool how to do it!!??
When 6 time Mr. O tells you to start squeezing, then slower on the negative, YOU do it. You don't start swinging like your on a swing set. They didn't even appriate his advice, Dorian was showing them out to do it and they didn't even listen. He told them not to use straps and they didn't listen.
Oscar is grunting too much, like he's a champion. He's fat!!! Out of shape!! No wonder Dorian didn't like him or Kai.
Kai couldn't even do the deadlift like Dorian told him. Kai kept touching the ground, bouncing the weight, he didn't even squeeze like Dorian said.
These people so stupid, they can't even take simple directions!!! And OSCAR is trainning Kai?!?!?! What a joke.!!
Kai also eat pounds of tilapia a day, his dumbass thinks that its good!??!?! Tilapia has more Omega 6 fatty acids then bacon and donuts. Tilapia has 11 times Omega 6 than Omege 3. Omega 6 clogs up arteries, is basically the oposite of Omega 3.
They are also talking about the law of attraction like there some spiritual saviors. "Mind muscle connection, blah blah blah, visualization, blah blah, Kai visualizes winning the Mr. O. in our mind he already won the Mr.O, blah blah blah, if you see it in your mind the it will manifest, blah blah" nothing but crap.
His ass got 4th not 3rd, not 2nd, and definitely not 1rst. How did that bullsH*t work for you guys (oscar and kai) ?!?!?! hahaha
Jay Cutler didn't do visualization, he beat you. Branch Warren didn't do visualization, he beat you. Dexter Jackson didn't do visualization, he beat you. I'm not saying 4th is bad, I'm saying that they claimed that law of attraction/visualization works, so obviously that law of attraction/visualization BS that they've been brainwashed to believe doesn't work.
I'll make a prediction, Oscar will get a heart attack before Kai wins Mr. O. And Kai is going to get 3rd or 4th in the arnold. Wait and see.
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They shouldnt have trained together this close to the show
Oscar got showed up
How could they not already know how Dorian Yates does a barbell row?
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I don't think taking training advice from someone who got so many injuries that forced him to retire is a good idea.
I wouldn't do it.
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maybe dorian knows training secrets we dont know?
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This is what Otus said on MD. :)
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=81688.
These guys are f*ing morons!!! How hard is it to follow simple direction!??!
It's not like Dorian is asking them to find the derivative of the secant line of f(x).
Oscar is a JOOOOOOOKKEEEE!!!! His ass is out of breath on the stairmaster going slow as hell. C'mon dude, kids have more stamina than Oscar.
Oscar thinks he was in Blood and Guts! He was so nice, then when he does the first lat exercise he's moaning, screaming, likes hes doing some heavy weights.
They both had to use straps for 225 deadlifts. Thats pathetic. Dorian put oscars ass in place, telling him that he "needs to start putting some f*ing weight" on the deadlift. Oscar did 10 reps for 225 and was way to dramatic.
Kai is a dumbass. He thinks he some sort of guru, talking like he's smart. He tries to use big words but he just can't pull it off. He's always trying to make his speeches legendary like if his words are going to be compared to Gandhi. He looked like a boy, taking advice from Dorian...like he never knew how to workout or something. He couldn't even do the first exercise the right way...WHAT A DUMBASS!! How many times does Dorian have to explain to this fool how to do it!!??
When 6 time Mr. O tells you to start squeezing, then slower on the negative, YOU do it. You don't start swinging like your on a swing set. They didn't even appriate his advice, Dorian was showing them out to do it and they didn't even listen. He told them not to use straps and they didn't listen.
Oscar is grunting too much, like he's a champion. He's fat!!! Out of shape!! No wonder Dorian didn't like him or Kai.
Kai couldn't even do the deadlift like Dorian told him. Kai kept touching the ground, bouncing the weight, he didn't even squeeze like Dorian said.
These people so stupid, they can't even take simple directions!!! And OSCAR is trainning Kai?!?!?! What a joke.!!
Kai also eat pounds of tilapia a day, his dumbass thinks that its good!??!?! Tilapia has more Omega 6 fatty acids then bacon and donuts. Tilapia has 11 times Omega 6 than Omege 3. Omega 6 clogs up arteries, is basically the oposite of Omega 3.
They are also talking about the law of attraction like there some spiritual saviors. "Mind muscle connection, blah blah blah, visualization, blah blah, Kai visualizes winning the Mr. O. in our mind he already won the Mr.O, blah blah blah, if you see it in your mind the it will manifest, blah blah" nothing but crap.
His ass got 4th not 3rd, not 2nd, and definitely not 1rst. How did that bullsH*t work for you guys (oscar and kai) ?!?!?! hahaha
Jay Cutler didn't do visualization, he beat you. Branch Warren didn't do visualization, he beat you. Dexter Jackson didn't do visualization, he beat you. I'm not saying 4th is bad, I'm saying that they claimed that law of attraction/visualization works, so obviously that law of attraction/visualization BS that they've been brainwashed to believe doesn't work.
I'll make a prediction, Oscar will get a heart attack before Kai wins Mr. O. And Kai is going to get 3rd or 4th in the arnold. Wait and see.
Genial right there.
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did kai gag after the workout????????........ :-X
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That sucked.
Brutal telling the Arnold Classic champion to slow down the negative portion of the rep.
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Pathetic. As if that douch knew anything Kai didn't know yet. I'd say his back training worked so far? ::)
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Dorian gave sound advice but comes off like a know-it-all.
People overcomplicate shit....the reason Kai looks the way he does and Dorian looked the way he did is genetics and response to drugs.
As long as you are training hard and heavy, you will grow if you have the genes. if you don't...no amount of training will change that and killing yourself is the only option
Let's see Dorian "school" kai on arms or legs ;)
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This is what Otus said on MD. :)
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=81688.
These guys are f*ing morons!!! How hard is it to follow simple direction!??!
It's not like Dorian is asking them to find the derivative of the secant line of f(x).
Oscar is a JOOOOOOOKKEEEE!!!! His ass is out of breath on the stairmaster going slow as hell. C'mon dude, kids have more stamina than Oscar.
Oscar thinks he was in Blood and Guts! He was so nice, then when he does the first lat exercise he's moaning, screaming, likes hes doing some heavy weights.
They both had to use straps for 225 deadlifts. Thats pathetic. Dorian put oscars ass in place, telling him that he "needs to start putting some f*ing weight" on the deadlift. Oscar did 10 reps for 225 and was way to dramatic.
Kai is a dumbass. He thinks he some sort of guru, talking like he's smart. He tries to use big words but he just can't pull it off. He's always trying to make his speeches legendary like if his words are going to be compared to Gandhi. He looked like a boy, taking advice from Dorian...like he never knew how to workout or something. He couldn't even do the first exercise the right way...WHAT A DUMBASS!! How many times does Dorian have to explain to this fool how to do it!!??
When 6 time Mr. O tells you to start squeezing, then slower on the negative, YOU do it. You don't start swinging like your on a swing set. They didn't even appriate his advice, Dorian was showing them out to do it and they didn't even listen. He told them not to use straps and they didn't listen.
Oscar is grunting too much, like he's a champion. He's fat!!! Out of shape!! No wonder Dorian didn't like him or Kai.
Kai couldn't even do the deadlift like Dorian told him. Kai kept touching the ground, bouncing the weight, he didn't even squeeze like Dorian said.
These people so stupid, they can't even take simple directions!!! And OSCAR is trainning Kai?!?!?! What a joke.!!
Kai also eat pounds of tilapia a day, his dumbass thinks that its good!??!?! Tilapia has more Omega 6 fatty acids then bacon and donuts. Tilapia has 11 times Omega 6 than Omege 3. Omega 6 clogs up arteries, is basically the oposite of Omega 3.
They are also talking about the law of attraction like there some spiritual saviors. "Mind muscle connection, blah blah blah, visualization, blah blah, Kai visualizes winning the Mr. O. in our mind he already won the Mr.O, blah blah blah, if you see it in your mind the it will manifest, blah blah" nothing but crap.
His ass got 4th not 3rd, not 2nd, and definitely not 1rst. How did that bullsH*t work for you guys (oscar and kai) ?!?!?! hahaha
Jay Cutler didn't do visualization, he beat you. Branch Warren didn't do visualization, he beat you. Dexter Jackson didn't do visualization, he beat you. I'm not saying 4th is bad, I'm saying that they claimed that law of attraction/visualization works, so obviously that law of attraction/visualization BS that they've been brainwashed to believe doesn't work.
I'll make a prediction, Oscar will get a heart attack before Kai wins Mr. O. And Kai is going to get 3rd or 4th in the arnold. Wait and see.
spot fucking on, no more comments needed.
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This is what Otus said on MD. :)
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=81688.
These guys are f*ing morons!!! How hard is it to follow simple direction!??!
It's not like Dorian is asking them to find the derivative of the secant line of f(x).
Oscar is a JOOOOOOOKKEEEE!!!! His ass is out of breath on the stairmaster going slow as hell. C'mon dude, kids have more stamina than Oscar.
Oscar thinks he was in Blood and Guts! He was so nice, then when he does the first lat exercise he's moaning, screaming, likes hes doing some heavy weights.
They both had to use straps for 225 deadlifts. Thats pathetic. Dorian put oscars ass in place, telling him that he "needs to start putting some f*ing weight" on the deadlift. Oscar did 10 reps for 225 and was way to dramatic.
Kai is a dumbass. He thinks he some sort of guru, talking like he's smart. He tries to use big words but he just can't pull it off. He's always trying to make his speeches legendary like if his words are going to be compared to Gandhi. He looked like a boy, taking advice from Dorian...like he never knew how to workout or something. He couldn't even do the first exercise the right way...WHAT A DUMBASS!! How many times does Dorian have to explain to this fool how to do it!!??
When 6 time Mr. O tells you to start squeezing, then slower on the negative, YOU do it. You don't start swinging like your on a swing set. They didn't even appriate his advice, Dorian was showing them out to do it and they didn't even listen. He told them not to use straps and they didn't listen.
Oscar is grunting too much, like he's a champion. He's fat!!! Out of shape!! No wonder Dorian didn't like him or Kai.
Kai couldn't even do the deadlift like Dorian told him. Kai kept touching the ground, bouncing the weight, he didn't even squeeze like Dorian said.
These people so stupid, they can't even take simple directions!!! And OSCAR is trainning Kai?!?!?! What a joke.!!
Kai also eat pounds of tilapia a day, his dumbass thinks that its good!??!?! Tilapia has more Omega 6 fatty acids then bacon and donuts. Tilapia has 11 times Omega 6 than Omege 3. Omega 6 clogs up arteries, is basically the oposite of Omega 3.
They are also talking about the law of attraction like there some spiritual saviors. "Mind muscle connection, blah blah blah, visualization, blah blah, Kai visualizes winning the Mr. O. in our mind he already won the Mr.O, blah blah blah, if you see it in your mind the it will manifest, blah blah" nothing but crap.
His ass got 4th not 3rd, not 2nd, and definitely not 1rst. How did that bullsH*t work for you guys (oscar and kai) ?!?!?! hahaha
Jay Cutler didn't do visualization, he beat you. Branch Warren didn't do visualization, he beat you. Dexter Jackson didn't do visualization, he beat you. I'm not saying 4th is bad, I'm saying that they claimed that law of attraction/visualization works, so obviously that law of attraction/visualization BS that they've been brainwashed to believe doesn't work.
I'll make a prediction, Oscar will get a heart attack before Kai wins Mr. O. And Kai is going to get 3rd or 4th in the arnold. Wait and see.
Spot fucking off. No comment! Kai is a thinking human, he dosen't need people to tell him what to do. I like Kai. People like yourself maybe need other to teach you everything.
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maybe dorian knows training secrets we dont know?
Spot on!
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Maybe you should upgrade to this new fangled 56k modem bits per second in turbo mode? Whoaw!
Well, not my connection, MD is the fault. Today loading fine and smooooth.....
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I didn't really agree on dorian's form for bent row and deadlifts for Kai's case - reason?
Kai has very short legs and torso and can bend very far at the waist with his back still straight (or not rounded at least) so he can do a fuller range safely on those movements.
Dorian has a short torso but very long legs for a guy his height (same as haney - benefit is the low lat insertion both had). He is suited better to doing rows and deadlifts only to knee height or just below.
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Kai has good upper traps but his lower traps are weak and the cable row dorian was showing him (done with elbows up and out) work that area strongly.
The problem is he is so thick that a mainly straight bar hits his chest before his elbows are back far enough imo... He'd be better off doing it with an old school inverted V lat bar.
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I didn't really agree on dorian's form for bent row and deadlifts for Kai's case - reason?
Kai has very short legs and torso and can bend very far at the waist with his back still straight (or not rounded at least) so he can do a fuller range safely on those movements.
Dorian has a short torso but very long legs for a guy his height (same as haney - benefit is the low lat insertion both had). He is suited better to doing rows and deadlifts only to knee height or just below.
Actually you're wrong. Kai has long legs and a short torso like Dorian
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Actually you're wrong. Kai has long legs and a short torso like Dorian
actually i didn't word it the way i intended... both have shorter torsos and longer legs than is common for their height. kai has a very short torso which allows - combined with his flexibilty - more forward flexion with the the back not rounded and vunerable.
yate's torso is longer compared to his legs than kai though he has long legs - and big frigging feet!
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I liked the video. MD is definitely stepping up 2 the plate and taking charge on their website ;D I like the way Dorian teaches and cuts through the BS. Imagine if everyone trained this way.