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When I was a 215 pound fatass, I never got sick.
now that I'm a 170's twink with abs, I get sick every 6 weeks.
Are weight and immune system/illness related?
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Bulk to 240 pounds of skinnyfat again and report back.
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When I was a 215 pound fatass, I never got sick.
now that I'm a 170's twink with abs, I get sick every 6 weeks.
Are weight and immune system/illness related?
Immune system will weaken if you get too skinny. A part of it has to do with hydration.
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When I was a 215 pound fatass, I never got sick.
now that I'm a 170's twink with abs, I get sick every 6 weeks.
Are weight and immune system/illness related?
A lot of it has to do with diet.
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there was no bulking you were just a fat ass
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When I was a 215 pound fatass, I never got sick.
now that I'm a 170's twink with abs, I get sick every 6 weeks.
Are weight and immune system/illness related?
You have little kids right, in school they p/u germs bring them home for you.
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When I was a 215 pound fatass, I never got sick.
now that I'm a 170's twink with abs, I get sick every 6 weeks.
Are weight and immune system/illness related?
Are you one of "Those" people who get cold that live down here too? 8)
Do you think 40 degrees is cold?
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yeah I live in FL... but I come from Ohio originally... 40 degrees sucks, but it's not that bad. i'm wearing shorts in the 50s still.
yeah, wife is a teacher and probably brings home flu/colds a lot.
I was looking at old pics, I miss being bigger. I don't wanna go overboard, but being 170s is getting old. I'm healthy and lean and all that, but i want to go back up again. it's been 5 years since I bulked up (pigged out 24/7, lifted heavy 5 days week, slept a lot). 215 here. I'd probably stop at 200 this time.
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yeah I live in FL... but I come from Ohio originally... 40 degrees sucks, but it's not that bad. i'm wearing shorts in the 50s still.
yeah, wife is a teacher and probably brings home flu/colds a lot.
I was looking at old pics, I miss being bigger. I don't wanna go overboard, but being 170s is getting old. I'm healthy and lean and all that, but i want to go back up again. it's been 5 years since I bulked up (pigged out 24/7, lifted heavy 5 days week, slept a lot). 215 here. I'd probably stop at 200 this time.
215 is still light for me, i'm just under 250 and still feel small.
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215 is still light for me, i'm just under 250 and still feel small.
sure you are :)
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yeah I live in FL... but I come from Ohio originally... 40 degrees sucks, but it's not that bad. i'm wearing shorts in the 50s still.
yeah, wife is a teacher and probably brings home flu/colds a lot.
I was looking at old pics, I miss being bigger. I don't wanna go overboard, but being 170s is getting old. I'm healthy and lean and all that, but i want to go back up again. it's been 5 years since I bulked up (pigged out 24/7, lifted heavy 5 days week, slept a lot). 215 here. I'd probably stop at 200 this time.
I could have lived my whole life without hearing that. >:(
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It's funny seeing internet dudes play the numbers game.
95% of guys who weigh 250 look like shit, like a fat powerlifter. Why would you want to be like that? I'd rather be a ripped 160-180.
Sorry pal some of us actually w/o consistently. 34" waist=not fat@ 5'11"
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Dude, I wasn't born yesterday. I've heard that line a million times. Everyone on the internet has "low body fat" and a "slim waist" and 90% of the time it's bullshit.
Post up a pic.
I have nothing to prove to you the compliments I receive in IRL are good enough.
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I know if i have my carbs low i seem to catch everything that comes around...but i did find if i put some glutamine in my protein shakes that i didn't seem to get sick as much...could be a placebo affect to though
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When I was a 215 pound fatass, I never got sick.
now that I'm a 170's twink with abs, I get sick every 6 weeks.
Are weight and immune system/illness related?
Nope....you've got a kid now. Kids are the worst thing for your health.
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Really low BF ( sub-10 %) tends to negatively impact the immune systems. That's why athletes on form are so disease-prone.
Stress is also bad, certainly longterm stress, are you more stressed due to the kid? The life of a man working at home, no more partying?
There's a strong correlation between psychological wellbeing and resilience to disease.
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"Nope....you've got a kid now. Kids are the worst thing for your health. "
hahahaha you got that right. I used to sleep in late... now it's up at 6:30 every day.
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"Nope....you've got a kid now. Kids are the worst thing for your health. "
hahahaha you got that right. I used to sleep in late... now it's up at 6:30 every day.
lol..even worse when she is at her dad's I still get up by 6am
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yeah, I can stay up til 4 am playing a show... then I'm up at 7 automatically. Kids are catabolic
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When I was a 215 pound fatass, I never got sick.
now that I'm a 170's twink with abs, I get sick every 6 weeks.
Are weight and immune system/illness related?
No. Germs don`t care what weight you are and do not discriminate based on weight either. You must simply be around sick people.
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Maybe you are cutting too hard and too extreme. When your body doesn't get enough nutrition it can get sick often. Not eating enough, or eating an imabalanced diet can fuck you up. Being skinny won't do that though.
Gotta make sure you eat the fruits and veggies and grains even though your cutting. Some guys take the dieting to very unhealthy extremes.
I doubt he is suffering from any vitamin or mineral deficiency of any kind so your theory is out.
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yeah, I can stay up til 4 am playing a show... then I'm up at 7 automatically. Kids are catabolic
wait till the daughters start dating and going out..Im never gonna sleep
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Really low BF ( sub-10 %) tends to negatively impact the immune systems. That's why athletes on form are so disease-prone.
Stress is also bad, certainly longterm stress, are you more stressed due to the kid? The life of a man working at home, no more partying?
There's a strong correlation between psychological wellbeing and resilience to disease.
Complete fallacy and myth. Stop spreading this.
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i noticed that too, could it be fatcells keep you safe?
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Complete fallacy and myth. Stop spreading this.
I'm making 3 statements, show me the evidence that disproves any of them.
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I'm making 3 statements, show me the evidence that disproves any of them.
oh god please dont make him
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oh god please dont make him
I must make him, lest I chuck my scientific literature out the window for naught!
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I must make him, lest I chuck my scientific literature out the window for naught!
You are claiming to posses literature that supports your opinion. Let`s see that first than I will offer a complete rebuttal.
Something tells me you have just been parroting this myth for no other good reason than you heard someone on a message board say it.
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You are claiming to posses literature that supports your opinion. Let`s see that first than I will offer a complete rebuttal.
Something tells me you have just been parroting this myth for no other good reason than you heard someone on a message board say it.
question adonis, how much should a 180 pound 13/14 % bodyfat guy need to eat protein to grow and how much protein to cut need to consume?
how much calories shoud the same guy need to eat to cut bodyfat?
also im confused with your approach to count calories on a weekly basis, how does that work? for example if you need 18 000 cals a week, then you can eat every other day one meal of lets say 4000 cals to get that weekly ammount, wont you look like shit that way? so that weekly cals measure is not right?
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question adonis, how much should a 180 pound 13/14 % bodyfat guy need to eat protein to grow and how much protein to cut need to consume?
how much calories shoud the same guy need to eat to cut bodyfat?
also im confused with your approach to count calories on a weekly basis, how does that work? for example if you need 18 000 cals a week, then you can eat every other day one meal of lets say 4000 cals to get that weekly ammount, wont you look like shit that way? so that weekly cals measure is not right?
1. Try for about .5 to 1 gram per lb of bodyweight.
2. Although I would like to see a picture first, but you can go with around 2000 calories or so and in time you will do fine.
3. I don`t count weekly, just daily. You need to make sure you are never lacking in nutrients.
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When I was a 215 pound fatass, I never got sick.
now that I'm a 170's twink with abs, I get sick every 6 weeks.
Are weight and immune system/illness related?
Teh aids....PIP :(
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You are claiming to posses literature that supports your opinion. Let`s see that first than I will offer a complete rebuttal.
Something tells me you have just been parroting this myth for no other good reason than you heard someone on a message board say it.
hahaha, you underestimate me.
An MSc in psychology does give me a bit of a start.
I'm not even going to defend the correlations between stress, psychological wellbeing and health because they're so well documented.
I did however do some more digging into the low BF- bad immunesystem theory. My experience on this relationship is based on cycling, road cycling to be exact. This sport requires athletes to train incredibly hard, and they are reported to fall ill more often in the season than offseason. Their BF-levels are around 5-7% when on form. I dug up some research that links rigorous activity to potential negative effects on the immune system. It must be said that although these athletes have low BF% this does not prove a causal relationship between BF and immune system function, it does not falsify the relationship either. In reality low BF levels are often the result of either high levels of activity or malnourishment. Malnourishment itself can be a result of stress. This means it's really hard to separate the effects of low BF from factors as strenuous physical activity or failing to get the full nutritional profile.
I will adjust my statement: The amalgamation of low BF, strenouous activity and malnourishment has been linked to suppressed immune-system function.
Appl Physiol Nutr Metab. 2009 Aug;34(4):603-8.
Exercise-induced lymphocyte apoptosis attributable to cycle ergometer exercise in endurance-trained individuals.
Navalta JW, McFarlin BK, Lyons TS, Faircloth JC, Bacon NT, Callahan ZJ.
Department of Kinesiology, Recreation, and Sport, Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY 42101, USA. james.navalta@wku.edu
Exercise as a stimulus to induce lymphocyte apoptosis remains controversial. Differences may be due to participant fitness level or the methodology of assessing cell death. Another important issue is the mode of exercise used to induce physiological changes. Treadmill exercise typically induces significant apoptosis in human lymphocytes; however, the effect of cycle exercise is less clear. The 2 main purposes of this study were to assess if cycle ergometer exercise induces similar changes in apoptosis, and to further characterize the morphological method of assessing cell death. Endurance athletes (n = 10; peak oxygen consumption = 55.1 mL.kg-1.min-1) completed a 60-min ride on a cycle ergometer at approximately 80% peak oxygen consumption. Blood samples taken before (PRE) and after (POST) exercise were used to make blood films for apoptotic analysis via the morphological technique. A significant increase was observed in the apoptotic index following cycle exercise (PRE = 7.3 +/- 2%, POST = 12.9 +/- 2%; p < 0.01). On average, it took 42 +/- 9 min to read PRE sample slides, which was significantly longer than the 27 +/- 4 min needed for POST slides (p < 0.01). To our knowledge, this study is the first to report that exercise on the cycle ergometer produces changes in lymphocyte apoptosis. The values measured during this study were about 20% lower than those we have observed following treadmill running, which may be explained by differences in active muscle mass and the resultant physiological stress between the 2 exercise modes. It is likely that cycling may result in reduced immunosuppression, compared with running at the same intensity.
PMID: 19767794 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Pediatr Exerc Sci. 2009 Aug;21(3):305-17.
Circulating T-regulatory cells, exercise and the elite adolescent swimmer.
Wilson LD, Zaldivar FP, Schwindt CD, Wang-Rodriguez J, Cooper DM.
Pediatric Exercise Research Center, Department of Pediatrics, University Children's Hospital, University of California, Irvine, CA 92868, USA.
Brief high intensity exercise induces peripheral leukocytosis possibly leading to a higher incidence of allergic symptoms in athletes undergoing excessive training. We studied the exercise-induced alternation of circulating Tregs and FoxP3+ Tregs due to acute intense swim exercise in elite swimmers (n = 22, 12 males, age = 15.4 yrs). Twelve had prior or current rhinitis or asthma and 10 had no current or prior allergy or asthma. Circulating Tregs increased significantly (p < .001) following exercise (pre = 133 +/- 11.2, post = 196 +/- 17.6) as did FoxP3+ cells (pre = 44, post = 64 cells/microl). Increases in Tregs and FoxP3+ Tregs occurred to the same extent in both groups of adolescent swimmers.
PMID: 19827454 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Title: Exercise, nutrition and immune function.
Personal Authors: Gleeson, M., Nieman, D. C., Pedersen, B. K.
Author Affiliation: School of Sport and Exercise Sciences, Loughborough University, Loughborough LE11 3TU, UK.
Editors: Maughan, R. J., Burke, L. M., Coyle, E. F.
Document Title: Food, nutrition and sports performance II. The International Olympic Committee Consensus Conference on sports nutrition
Abstract:
Strenuous bouts of prolonged exercise and heavy training are associated with depressed immune cell function. Furthermore, inadequate or inappropriate nutrition can compound the negative influence of heavy exertion on immuno-competence. Dietary deficiencies of protein and specific micronutrients have long been associated with immune dysfunction. An adequate intake of iron, zinc and vitamins A, E, B6 and B12 is particularly important for the maintenance of immune function, but excess intakes of some micronutrients can also impair immune function and have other adverse effects on health. Immune system depression has also been associated with an excess intake of fat. To maintain immune function, athletes should eat a well-balanced diet sufficient to meet their energy requirements. An athlete exercising in a carbohydrate-depleted state experiences larger increases in circulating stress hormones and a greater perturbation of several immune function indices. Conversely, consuming 30-60 g carbohydrate.h-1 during sustained intensive exercise attenuates rises in stress hormones such as cortisol and appears to limit the degree of exercise-induced immune depression. Convincing evidence that so-called 'immune-boosting' supplements, including high doses of antioxidant vitamins, glutamine, zinc, probiotics and Echinacea, prevent exercise-induced immune impairment is currently lacking.
Publisher: Routledge
The intricate interface between immune system and metabolism
Purchase the full-text article
References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article.
Giuseppe Matarese E-mail The Corresponding Author, 1 and Antonio La Cava E-mail The Corresponding Author, 2
1 Gruppo di Immunoendocrinologia, Istituto di Endocrinologia ed Oncologia Sperimentale, Consiglio Nazionale delle Ricerche (CNR-IEOS) c/o Dipartimento di Biologia e Patologia Cellulare e Molecolare, Università di Napoli ‘Federico II’, Via S. Pansini, 5, 80131, Napoli, Italy
2 Autoimmunity and Tolerance Laboratory, Department of Medicine, University of California Los Angeles, 1000 Veteran Avenue 32-59, Los Angeles, CA 90095-1670, USA
Available online 21 February 2004.
Abstract
Increasing experimental evidence indicates that several factors that influence metabolism also play a role in the regulation of immune responses. Dissection of the interface connecting the metabolic and immune systems has recently gained wide interest. Particular focus has been on certain cytokines [interleukin-1 (IL-1), IL-6, tumor necrosis factor-α (TNF-α) and interferon-γ (IFN-γ)], hormones (leptin and insulin), neuropeptides (corticotropin-releasing hormone and α-melanocyte-stimulating hormone), immune-related proteins (zinc-α2-glycoprotein and attractin and/or mahogany), transcription factors (peroxisome-proliferator-activated receptors) and glucose metabolism. A better knowledge of the intricate network of interactions among energy regulation, immune surveillance and vital organ functions could in the near future lead to valuable strategies for therapeutic intervention in several immune-mediated diseases.
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"Teh aids....PIP "
Don't you have to actually get laid, or use drugs, to obtain the bug?
I don't have the balls to do either... i'm in the clear!!
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"Teh aids....PIP "
Don't you have to actually get laid, or use drugs, to obtain the bug?
I don't have the balls to do either... i'm in the clear!!
Oh yeah thats right,married,no sex!
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"Teh aids....PIP "
Don't you have to actually get laid, or use drugs, to obtain the bug?
I don't have the balls to do either... i'm in the clear!!
badly disinfected hospital equipment can do you in as well.
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"badly disinfected hospital equipment can do you in as well."
hospitals are socialist breeding grounds. We birth, circumcize and immunize our kids at home using bathtub recipes round these parts.
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"badly disinfected hospital equipment can do you in as well."
hospitals are socialist breeding grounds. We birth, circumcize and immunize our kids at home using bathtub recipes round these parts.
"FREEEEEEEEBIRD"
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1. Try for about .5 to 1 gram per lb of bodyweight.
2. Although I would like to see a picture first, but you can go with around 2000 calories or so and in time you will do fine.
3. I don`t count weekly, just daily. You need to make sure you are never lacking in nutrients.
All right mr adonis,2000 cals is probably right to lose fat, but then i need to eat 180gr of protein, thats a lot, the way im eating that will be 1500 cals on protein, im consuming probably 140 gr. a day now.
the first pic is how i look now, i want to have the bodyfat of second pic, but not to lose any new added muscle, what to do?
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"badly disinfected hospital equipment can do you in as well."
hospitals are socialist breeding grounds. We birth, circumcize and immunize our kids at home using bathtub recipes round these parts.
Good for you!
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When I was a 215 pound fatass, I never got sick.
now that I'm a 170's twink with abs, I get sick every 6 weeks.
Are weight and immune system/illness related?
If you do heavy cardio, your immune system is stressed. Every time I up the running and stuff I know I get more colds.
It could also be just an issue of coincidence.
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I feel healthier, stronger and have a lot more energy when carrying a little extra weight.
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Married w/ children apparently equals stress, germs, lack of sleep, no sex life, malnutrition, and sickness. Only the gullible/brainwashed/weak minded would choose this lifestyle. Suckers
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1. Try for about .5 to 1 gram per lb of bodyweight.
2. Although I would like to see a picture first, but you can go with around 2000 calories or so and in time you will do fine.
3. I don`t count weekly, just daily. You need to make sure you are never lacking in nutrients.
I thought a calorie was a calorie. You can get lean on anything just need to keep the total calories in check.
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hahaha, you underestimate me.
An MSc in psychology does give me a bit of a start.
I'm not even going to defend the correlations between stress, psychological wellbeing and health because they're so well documented.
I did however do some more digging into the low BF- bad immunesystem theory. My experience on this relationship is based on cycling, road cycling to be exact. This sport requires athletes to train incredibly hard, and they are reported to fall ill more often in the season than offseason. Their BF-levels are around 5-7% when on form. I dug up some research that links rigorous activity to potential negative effects on the immune system. It must be said that although these athletes have low BF% this does not prove a causal relationship between BF and immune system function, it does not falsify the relationship either. In reality low BF levels are often the result of either high levels of activity or malnourishment. Malnourishment itself can be a result of stress. This means it's really hard to separate the effects of low BF from factors as strenuous physical activity or failing to get the full nutritional profile.
I will adjust my statement: The amalgamation of low BF, strenouous activity and malnourishment has been linked to suppressed immune-system function.
Just as I knew. Nothing at all regarding Low Body Fat while properly nourished as the Causation of a suppressed immune system.
Again, emotional stress is not automatically synonymous with low body fat. Try again.
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I thought a calorie was a calorie. You can get lean on anything just need to keep the total calories in check.
A Calorie is a Calorie but a Nutrient is not a Nutrient. Hope this helps.
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If you do heavy cardio, your immune system is stressed. Every time I up the running and stuff I know I get more colds.
It could also be just an issue of coincidence.
You are around infected people is all.
You can`t just magically get sick.
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All right mr adonis,2000 cals is probably right to lose fat, but then i need to eat 180gr of protein, thats a lot, the way im eating that will be 1500 cals on protein, im consuming probably 140 gr. a day now.
the first pic is how i look now, i want to have the bodyfat of second pic, but not to lose any new added muscle, what to do?
You don`t need 180 a day. That would just an upper limit. Its a flexible amount and can be moved down as you lose weight.
Shoot for around 90 grams or so.
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Just as I knew. Nothing at all regarding Low Body Fat while properly nourished as the Causation of a suppressed immune system.
Again, emotional stress is not automatically synonymous with low body fat. Try again.
That's not what I said, read more careful.
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That's not what I said, read more careful.
This thread is about low body fat and if it can make you sick. (which it does not)
So you agree now that low body fat alone cannot make you magically sick?
Also do you agree that you can have extremely low body fat and have a well balanced and nourishing diet?
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"Married w/ children apparently equals stress, germs, lack of sleep, no sex life, malnutrition, and sickness. Only the gullible/brainwashed/weak minded would choose this lifestyle. Suckers"
dov,
When i announced on getbig 5 years ago that I had the bright idea of getting married...
why didn't you PM me this information?
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"Married w/ children apparently equals stress, germs, lack of sleep, no sex life, malnutrition, and sickness. Only the gullible/brainwashed/weak minded would choose this lifestyle. Suckers"
dov,
When i announced on getbig 5 years ago that I had the bright idea of getting married...
why didn't you PM me this information?
My girlfriend and I live together and split bills(as any dual income situation should)..anyway, a guy told me yesterday that he envied my "situation" of a dual income with no children...this guy is 42, married, 3 children, in a huge home that he can't afford, drives a car he can't afford, and is STRESSED to the gills constantly!
My response to him was simple. I said, "Well, nobody said you HAD to get married, children, huge home, car, etc...
He, like many, fell victim to "the game" that society pressures us ALL to play. Grow up, get married, white picket fence, 2.5 children, family dog, mini-van, etc...that shite aint for everybody, yet, almost everybody does it. Pathetic
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You are around infected people is all.
You can`t just magically get sick.
We don't live in a vacuum. You workout hard, esp with the cardio, you immune system is temporarily weakend, making you prone to catching illnesses you normally wouldn't.
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We don't live in a vacuum. You workout hard, esp with the cardio, you immune system is temporarily weakend, making you prone to catching illnesses you normally wouldn't.
::)
Yes, because most bodybuilders are malnourished.
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Really low BF ( sub-10 %) tends to negatively impact the immune systems. That's why athletes on form are so disease-prone.
Stress is also bad, certainly longterm stress, are you more stressed due to the kid? The life of a man working at home, no more partying?
There's a strong correlation between psychological wellbeing and resilience to disease.
Totally true but why waste the time trying to convey health related concepts on a bodybuilding site?
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so there is definitely a proven connection between doing cardio and weakened immune system?
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so there is definitely a proven connection between doing cardio and weakened immune system?
Were you playing a PRS guitar?
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I am 245 lbs atm and feel biggest and most powerful I have in my life. i still feel big but quick.
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no, that was an Ibanez ergodyne bass, about 5 years ago. I've since moved up to the musicman stingray.
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If i go over 200lbs im no longer in good condition lol.. to be shredded i would have to be probably in the 180s.
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If i go over 200lbs im no longer in good condition lol.. to be shredded i would have to be probably in the 180s.
No. You would be around 130 or so based on your pics. You do not have that much muscle as you think you do.
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Just as I knew. Nothing at all regarding Low Body Fat while properly nourished as the Causation of a suppressed immune system.
Again, emotional stress is not automatically synonymous with low body fat. Try again.
low body fat has nothing to do with it (u are correct). People often overstress themselves physically and get sick because they deprive their body of what it needs: rest and nutrition. too much exercise can lead to a weakened immune system for sure, but low body fat has nothing to do with it.
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Adonis you are way under 200lbs and a tiny tit
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When I had single digit BF I would get sick all of the time...now that I am fat I never get so much as a sniffle
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When I had single digit BF I would get sick all of the time...now that I am fat I never get so much as a sniffle
Your correlation is in no way indicative of causation.