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03/3/10
Karl Rove, the White House adviser whom George W. Bush called his political "architect," admits in a new memoir that the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq severely damaged the Bush presidency -- and he suggests the war might not have occurred had Bush actually known the truth.
If Bush had known about the absence of weapons of mass destruction, Rove questions whether the United States would have gone to war, according to an excerpt quoted by the New York Times. "Would the Iraq War have occurred without W.M.D., I doubt it," Rove writes. "Congress was very unlikely to have supported the use-of-force resolution without the W.M.D. threat.
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Scumbag Rove attempting to alter public perception of Bush Co's WMD lies. It's too late you POS murderer's.
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MIGHT not have invaded without WMD.
LMAO...
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MIGHT not have invaded without WMD.
LMAO...
What is so earth shattering about this?
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03/3/10
Karl Rove, the White House adviser whom George W. Bush called his political "architect," admits in a new memoir that the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq severely damaged the Bush presidency -- and he suggests the war might not have occurred had Bush actually known the truth.
If Bush had known about the absence of weapons of mass destruction, Rove questions whether the United States would have gone to war, according to an excerpt quoted by the New York Times. "Would the Iraq War have occurred without W.M.D., I doubt it," Rove writes. "Congress was very unlikely to have supported the use-of-force resolution without the W.M.D. threat.
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Scumbag Rove attempting to alter public perception of Bush Co's WMD lies. It's too late you POS murderer's.
Oh, put a sock in it! There were PLENTY OF KEY DEMOCRATS, who came to the same conclusion, that Hussein had the weapons (do the names, H. Clinton and Kerry ring a bell?).
Dems and Republicans gave Bush the green light.
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Oh, put a sock in it! There were PLENTY OF KEY DEMOCRATS, who came to the same conclusion, that Hussein had the weapons (do the names, H. Clinton and Kerry ring a bell?).
Dems and Republicans gave Bush the green light.
I'd say WMD lies had something to do w/ it. ;)
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I'd say WMD lies had something to do w/ it. ;)
And Democrats can't read all of a sudden? They saw the same intel that President Bush did.
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actually, the dems and most of the world screamed until they got UN inspections.
Once they didn't find anything, many ran from the idea of war... the dude didn't have wmd.
I'm not saying the world isn't better for us with a dollar-keeping puppet in there. But for the sake of argument, the UN didn't find shit and they were right about that one.
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actually, the dems and most of the world screamed until they got UN inspections.
Once they didn't find anything, many ran from the idea of war... the dude didn't have wmd.
I'm not saying the world isn't better for us with a dollar-keeping puppet in there. But for the sake of argument, the UN didn't find shit and they were right about that one.
This is why you are called a knee padder.
Kerry, Clinton, and many other Dems thought saddam had WMD and voted for the war.
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Spoon fed a bunch of lies and what do you expect? The Dems were the first to call bullshit on the WMD. The Repukes simply frog marched onwards like good little sheeple.
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Spoon fed a bunch of lies and what do you expect? The Dems were the first to call bullshit on the WMD. The Repukes simply frog marched onwards like good little sheeple.
You mean Dems like Clinton, or Kerry, or (fill in the blank).....?
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What part of "spoon fed lies" failed to register with those two brain cells of yours?
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Hey 240 - want to take back your nonsense?
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find me some dem quotes after dec 2002, when the UN got their searches
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What part of "spoon fed lies" failed to register with those two brain cells of yours?
Spoon feed this, Clucky!!
My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. I'm a co-sponsor of the bipartisan Resolution that's presently under consideration in the Senate. Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today, that he's used them in the past, and that he's doing everything he can to build more. Every day he gets closer to his long-term goal of nuclear capability.
Democracy will not spring up by itself overnight in a multi-ethnic, complicated society that's suffered under one repressive regime after another for generations. The Iraqi people deserve and need our help to rebuild their lives and to create a prosperous, thriving, open society. All Iraqis, including Sunnis, Shia and Kurds, deserve to be represented. This is not just a moral imperative. It's a security imperative. It is in America's national interest to help build an Iraq at peace with itself and its neighbors, because a democratic, tolerant and accountable Iraq will be a peaceful regional partner, and such an Iraq could serve as a model for the entire Arab world." - John Edwards
In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members...
It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well, effects American security.
This is a very difficult vote, this is probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make. Any vote that might lead to war should be hard, but I cast it with conviction." - Hilary Clinton.
And, that's just the short list. So, what crackpot excuse are you going to use now?
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find me some dem quotes after dec 2002, when the UN got their searches
spin spin spin spin spin.
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find me some dem quotes after dec 2002, when the UN got their searches
How's this?
People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons." - former President Bill Clinton, July 2003
There is a very easy way to prevent anyone from being put into harm's way, and that is for Saddam Hussein to disarm, and I have absolutely no belief that he will. I have to say that this is something I have followed for more than a decade.
For now nearly 20 years, the principal reason why women and children in Iraq have suffered, is because of Saddam's leadership.
The very difficult question for all of us, is how does one bring about the disarmament of someone with such a proven track record of a commitment, if not an obsession, with weapons of mass destruction.
I ended up voting for the Resolution after carefully reviewing the information and intelligence I had available, talking with people whose opinions I trusted, trying to discount political or other factors that I didn't believe should be in any way a part of this decision, and it is unfortunate that we are at the point of a potential military action to enforce the resolution. That is not my preference, it would be far preferable if we had legitimate cooperation from Saddam Hussein, and a willingness on his part to disarm, and to account for his chemical and biological storehouses.
With respect to whose responsibility it is to disarm Saddam Hussein, I do not believe that given the attitudes of many people in the world community today that there would be a willingness to take on very difficult problems were it not for United States leadership. And I am talking specifically about what had to be done in Bosnia and Kosovo, where my husband could not get a Security Council resolution to save the Kosovar Albanians from ethnic cleansing. And we did it alone as the United States, and we had to do it alone. It would have been far preferable if the Russians and others had agreed to do it through the United Nations -- they would not. I'm happy that, in the face of such horrible suffering, we did act." Hillary Clinton, March 2003
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This is why you are called a knee padder.
Kerry, Clinton, and many other Dems thought saddam had WMD and voted for the war.
And to further bury Clucky's boneheaded tripe, let's not forget that Clinton (among others) though Hussein had those weapons, SINCE THE LATE 90s, before Bush even became president.
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I see. HILARY now speaks for every dem.
let's see all those quotes made AFTER UN searches. that's the point. it's not spin - they all wanted searches - and they got them. At that point, bush just wanted war.
anyway, 33, you have said it was all about bases and oil... WTF are we even arging about lol? we're on the same page
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I see. HILARY now speaks for every dem.
let's see all those quotes made AFTER UN searches. that's the point. it's not spin - they all wanted searches - and they got them. At that point, bush just wanted war.
Logic - and apparently basic reading skills - do not apply to repubs delusions.
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Logic - and apparently basic reading skills - do not apply to repubs delusions.
They still voted for the damn thing and then railed against it when things didnt go well. Now Communist-in-Chief has his VP saying it will be hs biggest achievement.
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when did they vote, what did they vote for? specific wording?
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I see. HILARY now speaks for every dem.
let's see all those quotes made AFTER UN searches. that's the point. it's not spin - they all wanted searches - and they got them. At that point, bush just wanted war.
anyway, 33, you have said it was all about bases and oil... WTF are we even arging about lol? we're on the same page
I didn't claim she did. You asked for Dem quotes after December 2002. You got them. So, what's with the excuses?
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I didn't claim she did. You asked for Dem quote after December 2002. You got them. So, what's with the excuses?
This is the 240 tactic. When he gets owned and discredited, switch the question and spin some more.
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Logic - and apparently basic reading skills - do not apply to repubs delusions.
Look who's talking. 240 asked for Dem quotes after Dec. 2002, regarding this issue. I gave it to him. SO, the one who needs to bone up "Hooked on Phonics" is YOU, El Clucky.
Once again, you make the foolish assertion (a trend for you) that the list I used was exhaustive. Get a clue.
Then, there's the little matter of the Dems who thought Hussein had weapons in the LATE 90s, before Bush became president.
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Yet MORE Democratic quotes, after Dec. 2002.
It is the duty of any president, in the final analysis, to defend this nation and dispel the security threat. Saddam Hussein has brought military action upon himself by refusing for 12 years to comply with the mandates of the United Nations. The brave and capable men and women of our armed forces and those who are with us will quickly, I know, remove him once and for all as a threat to his neighbors, to the world, and to his own people, and I support their doing so." John Kerry, March 2003
He does have weapons of mass destruction (when asked if he can say that categorically)Absolutely. There's a lot of stuff hidden in a lot of different places, Miles (O'Brien, from CNN), and I'm not sure that we know where it all is. People in Iraq do. The scientists know some of it. Some of the military, the low ranking military; some of Saddam Hussein's security organizations. There's a big organization in place to cover and deceive and prevent anyone from knowing about this. - Wesley Clark, January 2003
"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein. And when the president made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him." - John Kerry, December 2003
I asked very direct questions of the top people in the CIA and people who'd served in the Clinton administration. And they said they believed that Saddam Hussein either had weapons or had the components of weapons or the ability to quickly make weapons of mass destruction. What we're worried about is an A-bomb in a Ryder truck in New York, in Washington and St. Louis. It cannot happen. We have to prevent it from happening. And it was on that basis that I voted to do this. - Richard Gephardt, November 2003
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US Senators (the Democratic ones) who voted YES to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq:
Baucus, Max (D-MT)
Bayh, Evan (D-IN)
Biden, Joseph (D-DE)
Breaux, John (D-LA)
Cantwell, Maria (D-WA)
Carnahan, Jean (D-MO)
Carper, Thomas (D-DE)
Cleland, Max (D-GA)
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY)
Daschle, Tom (D-SD)
Dodd, Christopher (D-CT)
Dorgan, Byron (D-ND)
Edwards, John (D-NC)
Feinstein, Dianne (D-CA)
Harkin, Tom (D-IA)
Hollings, Ernest (D-SC)
Johnson, Tim (D-SD)
Kerry, John (D-MA)
Kohl, Herb (D-WI)
Landrieu, Mary (D-LA)
Lieberman, Joseph (D-CT)
Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR)
Miller, Zell (D-GA)
Nelson, Bill (D-FL)
Nelson, Ben (D-NE)
Reid, Harry (D-NV)
Rockefeller, John (D-WV)
Schumer, Charles (D-NY)
Torricelli, Robert (D-NJ)
Courtesy of:
http://www.freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html (http://www.freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html)
Now, which of these supposedly got "spoon-fed", again? ::)
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I see. HILARY now speaks for every dem.
let's see all those quotes made AFTER UN searches. that's the point. it's not spin - they all wanted searches - and they got them. At that point, bush just wanted war.
anyway, 33, you have said it was all about bases and oil... WTF are we even arging about lol? we're on the same page
QFT!
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QFT!
Did you scream about clinton bombing serbia?
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QFT!
More like QFB "Quoted for Buffoonery"!!
Even if "Bush wanted war", he doesn't get it, UNLESS ALL THEM DEMOCRATS GIVE HIM THE GREEN LIGHT (which they did).
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Too bad Congress wasn't given the truth before they voted on this bullshit.
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Too bad Congress wasn't given the truth before they voted on this bullshit.
So your still buying that congress was lied to? Please dude, hey you know what I'm a psychic and I can make you a bunch of money in foreign currency markets, now just send me you bank account # ......
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Too bad Congress wasn't given the truth before they voted on this bullshit.
Thank you for continuing to make a fool of yourself. Either BOTH PARTIES weren't "gven the truth". Or BOTH PARTIES had it and acted to hit Iraq, anyway.
So, your initial charge that the Dems spoke up against Iraq, while the GOP simply "frogmarched" to Bush's orders, is categorically false.
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So your still buying that congress was lied to? Please dude, hey you know what I'm a psychic and I can make you a bunch of money in foreign currency markets, now just send me you bank account # ......
FOREX??? LOL!
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Did you scream about clinton bombing serbia?
Unlike JME/Coach I despised Clinton........so yes.
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Unlike JME/Coach I despised Clinton........so yes.
What about GB 41 first Gulf War?
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Oh, put a sock in it! There were PLENTY OF KEY DEMOCRATS, who came to the same conclusion, that Hussein had the weapons (do the names, H. Clinton and Kerry ring a bell?).
Dems and Republicans gave Bush the green light.
Along with about 30 other countries!
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Unlike JME/Coach I despised Clinton........so yes.
Don't make me rehash this again, it would only be another thread of you getting owned!
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actually, the dems and most of the world screamed until they got UN inspections.
Once they didn't find anything, many ran from the idea of war... the dude didn't have wmd.
I'm not saying the world isn't better for us with a dollar-keeping puppet in there. But for the sake of argument, the UN didn't find shit and they were right about that one.
You mean after the 2 years and 17 resolutions while he was moving the WMD's out of the country?
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What about GB 41 first Gulf War?
Absolutely! Daddy Bush was correct.
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Absolutely!
I thought you fought in that one? No?
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I thought you fought in that one? No?
Correct. Desert Storm was a legit conflict.
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Correct. Desert Storm was a legit conflict.
Were you upset about our invasion of Panama? What was the national security threat there?
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Were you upset about our invasion of Panama? What was the national security threat there?
No. Not all conflicts are national security related.
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No. Not all conflicts are national security related.
i thought you fought in that one too, no?
any pics to share with us?
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i thought you fought in that one too, no?
any pics to share with us?
Correct. Panama felt more like an military exercise as opposed to Desert Storm. DS felt like War...although quite short in duration.
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Correct. Panama felt more like an military exercise as opposed to Desert Storm. DS felt like War...although quite short in duration.
Any pics to share? I would love to see them.
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Here we go again ::)