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ID Card for Workers Is at Center of Immigration Plan
WallStreetJournal.com ^ | 3-9-2010 | Laura Meckler
Posted on Tuesday, March 09, 2010 5:53:08 AM by raybbr
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Lawmakers working to craft a new comprehensive immigration bill have settled on a way to prevent employers from hiring illegal immigrants: a national biometric identification card all American workers would eventually be required to obtain.
Under the potentially controversial plan still taking shape in the Senate, all legal U.S. workers, including citizens and immigrants, would be issued an ID card with embedded information, such as fingerprints, to tie the card to the worker.
The ID card plan is one of several steps advocates of an immigration overhaul are taking to address concerns that have defeated similar bills in the past.
The uphill effort to pass a bill is being led by Sens. Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) and Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.), who plan to meet with President Barack Obama as soon as this week to update him on their work. An administration official said the White House had no position on the biometric card.
"It's the nub of solving the immigration dilemma politically speaking," Mr. Schumer said in an interview. The card, he said, would directly answer concerns that after legislation is signed, another wave of illegal immigrants would arrive. "If you say they can't get a job when they come here, you'll stop it."
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Oh great, another massive fight we have to wage after this health care mess passes by.
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i have a way to keep them from hiring illegals too, close the fucking boarders, and deport the mooching ass illegals that are here now,
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i have a way to keep them from hiring illegals too, close the fucking boarders, and deport the mooching ass illegals that are here now,
This is from the WSJ, I guess Big Mal, 240, Mons, and KC are going to say I am using fringe sources. ::) ::)
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well of course, libs always have some sorta excuse to twist shit off, for example, ( oh the numbers are bad cause it snowed) but while at the same time trying to defend global warming, lol people like this will never wake up and have a shred of common sense
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Here we go again, I guess it's a good thing I have to stay on top of the Senator.
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Why the fuck would I need a national ID card? Lets see I already have my birth certificate, drivers license, IL ID card, social security card........
More government encroachment on the American citizen.
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Why the fuck would I need a national ID card? Lets see I already have my birth certificate, drivers license, IL ID card, social security card........
More government encroachment on the American citizen.
Hey, thats a lot more than Obama has.
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^ ;D ;D lol
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^ ;D ;D lol
Am I wrong?
No long form BC, 16 different SS numbers, etc etc. ;D ;D ;D
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nope you are right on bro !!!!!!! i wonder if bammer will get an id card
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Here is the whole article - ITS WORSE THAN i THOUGHT!
F.U.B.O. & GRAHAM!
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By LAURA MECKLER
WWW.WSJ.COM
Lawmakers working to craft a new comprehensive immigration bill have settled on a way to prevent employers from hiring illegal immigrants: a national biometric identification card all American workers would eventually be required to obtain.
Under the potentially controversial plan still taking shape in the Senate, all legal U.S. workers, including citizens and immigrants, would be issued an ID card with embedded information, such as fingerprints, to tie the card to the worker.
The ID card plan is one of several steps advocates of an immigration overhaul are taking to address concerns that have defeated similar bills in the past.
The uphill effort to pass a bill is being led by Sens. Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) and Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.), who plan to meet with President Barack Obama as soon as this week to update him on their work. An administration official said the White House had no position on the biometric card.
"It's the nub of solving the immigration dilemma politically speaking," Mr. Schumer said in an interview. The card, he said, would directly answer concerns that after legislation is signed, another wave of illegal immigrants would arrive. "If you say they can't get a job when they come here, you'll stop it."
See attempts at reform and statistics on immigrants removed from the U.S. over the past six decades.
The biggest objections to the biometric cards may come from privacy advocates, who fear they would become de facto national ID cards that enable the government to track citizens.
"It is fundamentally a massive invasion of people's privacy," said Chris Calabrese, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "We're not only talking about fingerprinting every American, treating ordinary Americans like criminals in order to work. We're also talking about a card that would quickly spread from work to voting to travel to pretty much every aspect of American life that requires identification."
Mr. Graham says he respects those concerns but disagrees. "We've all got Social Security cards," he said. "They're just easily tampered with. Make them tamper-proof. That's all I'm saying."
U.S. employers now have the option of using an online system called E-Verify to check whether potential employees are in the U.S. legally. Many Republicans have pressed to make the system mandatory. But others, including Mr. Schumer, complain that the existing system is ineffective.
Last year, White House aides said they expected to push immigration legislation in 2010. But with health care and unemployment dominating his attention, the president has given little indication the issue is a priority.
Rather, Mr. Obama has said he wanted to see bipartisan support in Congress first. So far, Mr. Graham is the only Republican to voice interest publicly, and he wants at least one other GOP co-sponsor to launch the effort.
An immigration overhaul has long proven a complicated political task. The Latino community is pressing for action and will be angry if it is put off again. But many Americans oppose any measure that resembles amnesty for people who came here illegally.
Under the legislation envisioned by Messrs. Graham and Schumer, the estimated 10.8 million people living illegally in the U.S. would be offered a path to citizenship, though they would have to register, pay taxes, pay a fine and wait in line. A guest-worker program would let a set number of new foreigners come to the U.S. legally to work.
Most European countries require citizens and foreigners to carry ID cards. The U.K. had been a holdout, but in the early 2000s it considered national cards as a way to stop identify fraud, protect against terrorism and help stop illegal foreign workers. Amid worries about the cost and complaints that the cards infringe on personal privacy, the government said it would make them voluntary for British citizens. They are required for foreign workers and students, and so far about 130,000 cards have been issued.
Mr. Schumer first suggested a biometric-based employer-verification system last summer. Since then, the idea has gained currency and is now a centerpiece of the legislation being developed, aides said.
A person familiar with the legislative planning said the biometric data would likely be either fingerprints or a scan of the veins in the top of the hand. It would be required of all workers, including teenagers, but would be phased in, with current workers needing to obtain the card only when they next changed jobs, the person said.
The card requirement also would be phased in among employers, beginning with industries that typically rely on illegal-immigrant labor.
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce doesn't have a position on the proposal, but it is concerned that employers would find it expensive and complicated to properly check the biometrics.
Mr. Schumer said employers would be able to buy a scanner to check the IDs for as much as $800. Small employers, he said, could take their applicants to a government office to like the Department of Motor Vehicles and have their hands scanned there.
—Alistair MacDonald contributed to this article.
Write to Laura Meckler at laura.meckler@wsj.com
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What the hell is a drivers license?
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What the hell is a drivers license?
240 is going to come and Kneepad Obama over this and show us how good it is.
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what's wrong with this? Illegals can already get D/L's because they can apply for a tax number with which to pay taxes. This is a great idea. I don't understand why anyone is against getting rid of illegals. Do you think it's best to round them up like cattle? And what of the rights of those who are here legally but look 'mexican'? This way we ALL have to go through the process and employers can't say sh*t when the hammer gets dropped.
I find it rather funny that everyone wants to deport illegals but no one here talks about punishment for those who hire them. Seems to me that without a job being here wouldn't do sh*t for your family back home. Punish the employers and you don't have illegals working for them. If you really believe in this then take a stand stop buying foods and services provided by illegal immigrants. That means no more tyson chicken, walmart, meat from major processing plants, fruit from most of the south and vegetables too. All are served by a large number of illegals. Hit those people in their pocket and they have no incentive to hire illegals to do the work cheaper.
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what's wrong with this? Illegals can already get D/L's because they can apply for a tax number with which to pay taxes. This is a great idea. I don't understand why anyone is against getting rid of illegals. Do you think it's best to round them up like cattle? And what of the rights of those who are here legally but look 'mexican'? This way we ALL have to go through the process and employers can't say sh*t when the hammer gets dropped.
I find it rather funny that everyone wants to deport illegals but no one here talks about punishment for those who hire them. Seems to me that without a job being here wouldn't do sh*t for your family back home. Punish the employers and you don't have illegals working for them. If you really believe in this then take a stand stop buying foods and services provided by illegal immigrants. That means no more tyson chicken, walmart, meat from major processing plants, fruit from most of the south and vegetables too. All are served by a large number of illegals. Hit those people in their pocket and they have no incentive to hire illegals to do the work cheaper.
ITS FOR ALL OF US!
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ITS FOR ALL OF US!
FINE. So be it. This way we all have to jump through the hoops. What do you propose 333? Racial profiling and stopping all brown people?
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FINE. So be it. This way we all have to jump through the hoops. What do you propose 333? Racial profiling and stopping all brown people?
Very simple.
Give all illegals 90 days to leave the country.
After said period elapses:
1. They go to emergency room - treat em and call ICE.
2. They get arrested - detain, debrief and deport.
3. Illegals in the schools - detain, debrief, deport.
4. Illegal hurt in the workplace - treat and deport.
5. Fine and jail employers of these people.
6. Make English national language.
7. Bring home the troops and put them on the borders.
8. Hire more ICE officers and place them at the air ports to process illegals for deportation.
IKE had a program called "Operation Wetback" in the 1950's that worked great.
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Are you asking for a constitutional addition that english be the official language of the United States of America?
How exactly would you find the in the workforce? Just go to any place where you think illegals work or would you work on 'tips'? If so what of the rights of those who are legal but somehow have to be searched etc because they are mexican? Doesn't seem very fair does it.
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do it randomly, like the tsa ::)
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Are you asking for a constitutional addition that english be the official language of the United States of America?
How exactly would you find the in the workforce? Just go to any place where you think illegals work or would you work on 'tips'? If so what of the rights of those who are legal but somehow have to be searched etc because they are mexican? Doesn't seem very fair does it.
This is easy to do. Many will self deport.
I forgot, end all welfare, Section 8, food stamps, wic, EITC, etc going to illegals.
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This is easy to do. Many will self deport.
I forgot, end all welfare, Section 8, food stamps, wic, EITC, etc going to illegals.
How do you know if they are illegal or not if they have a valid D/L and income tax number already. Are you saying everyone should have to show some sort of ID to get those things? Like say a National ID card?
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How do you know if they are illegal or not if they have a valid D/L and income tax number already. Are you saying everyone should have to show some sort of ID to get those things? Like say a National ID card?
This is so easy. most have SS numbers that are stolen, are from dead people, etc that dont match the system.
I do a little crim defense and and when illegals get arrested the court system knows if they are illegally here. Same with people with phony divers licenses etc.
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NO NOT LIKE NATIONAL ID like a dL. something that legal americans have
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This is so easy. most have SS numbers that are stolen, are from dead people, etc that dont match the system.
I do a little crim defense and and when illegals get arrested the court system knows if they are illegally here. Same with people with phony divers licenses etc.
But what if they have a VALID license. Once they get a tax number they often apply and get one. Are you suggesting every American should carry around proof of their citizenship in case they get arrested or in an accident etc? or only mexican looking people? And will SS number be the ID you have to use to get food stamps? Or would something a little more stringent be better? Like say a national ID card?
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cut off the government handout programs and illegal free loaders would prob leave on their own .
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NO NOT LIKE NATIONAL ID like a dL. something that legal americans have
Why should I have more of my privacy imposed upon because the govt wont do its job and deport these invaders?
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Very simple.
Give all illegals 90 days to leave the country.
After said period elapses:
1. They go to emergency room - treat em and call ICE.
2. They get arrested - detain, debrief and deport.
3. Illegals in the schools - detain, debrief, deport.
4. Illegal hurt in the workplace - treat and deport.
5. Fine and jail employers of these people.
6. Make English national language.
7. Bring home the troops and put them on the borders.
8. Hire more ICE officers and place them at the air ports to process illegals for deportation.
IKE had a program called "Operation Wetback" in the 1950's that worked great.
Too much common sense....
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Why should I have more of my privacy imposed upon because the govt wont do its job and deport these invaders?
Why should any mexican person put up with their privacy imposed on? Not all of them are illegal and not all legal immigrants have ID or know their SS. What do you propse them? We deport them because they are brown?
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^ x2 eye
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well kc why is my privacy imposed on in the airport? cause it is necessary i dont care if some mexicans get profiled in order to make it happen, look at what it would save the country money wise, and job wise. and if you are legal hey what do you have to worry about?
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Why should any mexican person put up with their privacy imposed on? Not all of them are illegal and not all legal immigrants have ID or know their SS. What do you propse them? We deport them because they are brown?
Because many of them are bleeding our system dry.
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well kc why is my privacy imposed on in the airport? cause it is necessary i dont care if some mexicans get profiled in order to make it happen, look at what it would save the country money wise, and job wise. and if you are legal hey what do you have to worry about?
So let me get this right. You don't want your rights encroached on by the government, BUT you are more than happy to encroach on the rights of those mexican american's who are here legally? Double standard or what. Lets not forget most of the west coast is former Mexican territory so many mexican american families have likely been in those places longer than your family has been in this country, and now they should face profiling because you would rather someone else had their rights encroached on than get an ID card?
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how do you derive that from what i said, i said my rights get invaded at the airport, but its necessary to achieve a bigger goal, part of things i deal with it and get over it, i have nothing to hide when i go to the airport, sooo with that being said, if it imposes on a legal mex privacy so be it, if they have nothing to hide no big deal they can get over it just like i do at the airport, if they are illegal they get gone.
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i am a very dark complected white guy with br hair and eyes. if authorities thought i was an illegal and wanted to see proof that i am legal i would show them and go on my way, if it meant that the illegals were gona get deported and the boarders closed and more secure, just like in the airport, i deal with the invasion of privacy and go on my way.
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Why should any mexican person put up with their privacy imposed on? Not all of them are illegal and not all legal immigrants have ID or know their SS. What do you propse them? We deport them because they are brown?
I was wondering how long it was going to take for a lib to make this a racial issue ::)
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I was wondering how long it was going to take for a lib to make this a racial issue ::)
About 2 seconds.
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how do you derive that from what i said, i said my rights get invaded at the airport, but its necessary to achieve a bigger goal, part of things i deal with it and get over it, i have nothing to hide when i go to the airport, sooo with that being said, if it imposes on a legal mex privacy so be it, if they have nothing to hide no big deal they can get over it just like i do at the airport, if they are illegal they get gone.
Going to the airport and flying is not a right, it's a privilege so the govt or TSA can impose whatever it likes. Living your daily life without invasion from the police based on skin colour is a right you have it's called life and liberty. You cant have much liberty with the police or ICE breathing down your neck everytime you go somewhere can you?
Besides if you can get over having ID to fly, why can't you get over having an ID card to work? If everyone has to do it, brown, white, black, asian etc then no one gets special treatment, all equals under the law. Seems the fairest way.
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but conservatives are the racists?? ::)
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it is not a human right to be a legal american citizen either
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I was wondering how long it was going to take for a lib to make this a racial issue ::)
I didn't make this an issue about race at all Kazan. Simply stating what would happen. It's no secret that mexicans are the majority of illegals, therefore it would stand to reason that they would be the ones asked for ID a lot more than whites. If that's the case then it's not racist just poorly designed because it encroaches disproportionately on one part of America. I would rather have one law for all wouldn't you? One rule for all too. That means all must provide and submit their ID card to work, not just harass people of mexican descent.
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Going to the airport and flying is not a right, it's a privilege so the govt or TSA can impose whatever it likes. Living your daily life without invasion from the police based on skin colour is a right you have it's called life and liberty. You cant have much liberty with the police or ICE breathing down your neck everytime you go somewhere can you?
Besides if you can get over having ID to fly, why can't you get over having an ID card to work? If everyone has to do it, brown, white, black, asian etc then no one gets special treatment, all equals under the law. Seems the fairest way.
Illegally coming here and dropping a few tacos on the taxpayer is not a right either.
Detain, Debrief, Deport!
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i never said mex decent either i say all illegals mex asian african whatever, ( non american citizens) if you wanna live in america, pay your dues, do your part,
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Why are you guys playing the 'racist card' I never once said anyone was racist. I just posted exactly what the truth is - that mexican looking people are going to be pulled over more regularly than any other race and checked for ID if we implemented something like 333's plan. If you all think that makes 333 racist that's on you. I don't. I just think it makes his idea or plan stupid because it is not one rule for all, but instead more like a witch hunt.
One card for all, one law for all, one rule for all. That is the America i want to live in. Not one where mexican looking people have to remember their SS card everywhere they go for fear of being deported.
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it is one rule for all ( all non citizens)
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Why are you guys playing the 'racist card' I never once said anyone was racist. I just posted exactly what the truth is - that mexican looking people are going to be pulled over more regularly than any other race and checked for ID if we implemented something like 333's plan. If you all think that makes 333 racist that's on you. I don't. I just think it makes his idea or plan stupid because it is not one rule for all, but instead more like a witch hunt.
One card for all, one law for all, one rule for all. That is the America i want to live in. Not one where mexican looking people have to remember their SS card everywhere they go for fear of being deported.
I live in Woodlawn Bronx, NY . there are at least 40,000 illegal irish in my hood alonwe within about a 2 mile area at best. I have no problem if ICE swept in and deported these people back to Ireland.
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I didn't make this an issue about race at all Kazan. Simply stating what would happen. It's no secret that mexicans are the majority of illegals, therefore it would stand to reason that they would be the ones asked for ID a lot more than whites. If that's the case then it's not racist just poorly designed because it encroaches disproportionately on one part of America. I would rather have one law for all wouldn't you? One rule for all too. That means all must provide and submit their ID card to work, not just harass people of mexican descent.
I already carry about 4 forms of ID, and a national ID is bullshit. This is just typical dumbass DC elite thinking, here we will impose shit on all the law abiding citzens and the criminals will carry on as if nothing has happened. Just like gun laws, fuck the people who follow the law and criminals just buy shit from the black market.
Yeah works real well, if your a criminal.
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Illegally coming here and dropping a few tacos on the taxpayer is not a right either.
Detain, Debrief, Deport!
So lets make sure anyone applying for work has to have the right ID, i.e. a National ID card. That way they can't be hired, can't get work and won't come here. The revenue from the card can help pay the massive cost for having a stronger border presence and the cost of transporting them back home.
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So lets make sure anyone applying for work has to have the right ID, i.e. a National ID card. That way they can't be hired, can't get work and won't come here. The revenue from the card can help pay the massive cost for having a stronger border presence and the cost of transporting them back home.
And exactly how long do you think it is going to take for these things to counterfeited? About 5 secs.
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Going to the airport and flying is not a right, it's a privilege so the govt or TSA can impose whatever it likes. Living your daily life without invasion from the police based on skin colour is a right you have it's called life and liberty. You cant have much liberty with the police or ICE breathing down your neck everytime you go somewhere can you?
Besides if you can get over having ID to fly, why can't you get over having an ID card to work? If everyone has to do it, brown, white, black, asian etc then no one gets special treatment, all equals under the law. Seems the fairest way.
You're ignorant...you truly are. I try to refrain from insults, but you take the cake. Immigrants that are here legally have green cards and other documentation to prove that they are here legally. I'm all for people that are not even supposed to be here in the first place to have their privacy infringed upon. You make it sound like law enforcement would do this by racially profiling which isn't even the case in the first place. What constitutional rights do they have when they are not American citizens in the first place? No national ID is needed, it's just an excuse to impose on all Americans.
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I think kcballer is under the impression that there is now way to identify weather or not someone is a legal citizen?
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I think kcballer is under the impression that there is now way to identify weather or not someone is a legal citizen?
Many of these invaders will self deport if we get rid of the welfare, benes, handouts, etc.
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I think kcballer is under the impression that there is now way to identify weather or not someone is a legal citizen?
Not at all eyeball. I understand there are pieces of ID in place that can be used. 333 want's it to be your SS number. I think that is a flawed logic. I prefer a more stringent passport like ID. Harder to rip off, easier to detect fraud and it's something we all must have in order to work. I'd be fine with another form of ID as well. But what i am against is this bullsh*t witch hunt people like 333 seem to want where ICE can stop anyone and demand ID.
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Not at all eyeball. I understand there are pieces of ID in place that can be used. 333 want's it to be your SS number. I think that is a flawed logic. I prefer a more stringent passport like ID. Harder to rip off, easier to detect fraud and it's something we all must have in order to work. I'd be fine with another form of ID as well. But what i am against is this bullsh*t witch hunt people like 333 seem to want where ICE can stop anyone and demand ID.
I dont want a witch hunt, just an illegal alien hunt.
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I dont want a witch hunt, just an illegal alien hunt.
at what cost of rights to american citizens? What you're proposing is the immigration equivalent of the patriot act. fu*k the rights of americans we're here to get the illegals.
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kc how terrible is it to be asked for id? if a cop asked you for your id are you going to melt or vaporize? no, u r legal show him go on. if it meant getting rid of all illegals i wouldnt mind if i was asked ten times a day
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Wonder what the cost of mandating and improving the e-verify system is?
I definitely like the idea of cracking down on illegal workers and employers that hire them (and all the taxes we miss from them) but I'm not sure that a national ID card is the best way. Especially since it's something else we'll have to purchase and update. It's already a pain in the ass getting the licence renewed every 4 yrs.
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Especially since it's something else we'll have to purchase and update.
Exactly. If the idea's not there now, I think it will be in the future. I think it's nothing more than a revenue generator for the government. Maybe start it off with a $35.00 "administrative fee", which grows to $50.00, etc., etc...
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This is from the WSJ, I guess Big Mal, 240, Mons, and KC are going to say I am using fringe sources. ::) ::)
As a Republican I say close the borders
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As a Republican I say close the borders
Tell that to mclame, graham, obama, menendez and the rest of these bums.
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Not at all eyeball. I understand there are pieces of ID in place that can be used. 333 want's it to be your SS number. I think that is a flawed logic. I prefer a more stringent passport like ID. Harder to rip off, easier to detect fraud and it's something we all must have in order to work. I'd be fine with another form of ID as well. But what i am against is this bullsh*t witch hunt people like 333 seem to want where ICE can stop anyone and demand ID.
Like you said though, why should my privacy be invaded by the federal government? I'm not a criminal, they are.
Why not just cut out all the benefits that attract these people, deport them when they are identified (without actively seeking them) and enforce the laws that are on the books. When a non citizen is deported and not allowed to reenter I would imagine that in some cases family of that illegal would also voluntarily leave.
That would reduce the number of illegals drastically.
I do understand what you're saying about a witch hunt though, and I agree that actively seeking these people with the possibility of harassing citizens could be a big problem.
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Like you said though, why should my privacy be invaded by the federal government? I'm not a criminal, they are.
Why not just cut out all the benefits that attract these people, deport them when they are identified (without actively seeking them) and enforce the laws that are on the books. When a non citizen is deported and not allowed to reenter I would imagine that in some cases family of that illegal would also voluntarily leave.
That would reduce the number of illegals drastically.
I do understand what you're saying about a witch hunt though, and I agree that actively seeking these people with the possibility of harassing citizens could be a big problem.
I agree. Harsher penalties for employers, deportation of illegals and a stricter control on the border. I do wonder though, just how drastically our economy will be effected by a sudden decrease in cheap labor. I imagine a lot of things will go up in price because of this, i just hope people are prepared for that because lets face it a lot of illegals do sh*tty dangerous work without fair compensation and without any workers rights.
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I agree. Harsher penalties for employers, deportation of illegals and a stricter control on the border. I do wonder though, just how drastically our economy will be effected by a sudden decrease in cheap labor. I imagine a lot of things will go up in price because of this, i just hope people are prepared for that because lets face it a lot of illegals do sh*tty dangerous work without fair compensation and without any workers rights.
That isn't entirely true either of the agricultural or construction business which uses a lot of illegal labor. Instead of passing on the savings to the consumer the company uses said savings to boost their profit margin. Not saying this is a bad thing, but it is what I see in my line of work.
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That isn't entirely true either of the agricultural or construction business which uses a lot of illegal labor. Instead of passing on the savings to the consumer the company uses said savings to boost their profit margin. Not saying this is a bad thing, but it is what I see in my line of work.
Very true and good point. This is why i don't think tax cuts alone in a depressed economy lead to anything other than increased profits for shareholders.
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The card would need to be part of a better overall immigration plan, including harsher penalties for employers, real enforcement, appropriate deportation and closing the border. I am not necessarily opposed to the cards if there isn't a better way. The biggest problem is the illegal labor and not generating taxation (so the rest of us that do pay our taxes get hit worse as the gov cannot control it's spending).
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The card would need to be part of a better overall immigration plan, including harsher penalties for employers, real enforcement, appropriate deportation and closing the border. I am not necessarily opposed to the cards if there isn't a better way. The biggest problem is the illegal labor and not generating taxation (so the rest of us that do pay our taxes get hit worse as the gov cannot control it's spending).
Perhaps the card could go towards funding a stricter enforcement of the border. That alone is going to be a large bill. Also shoot here is something for you hypothetically - if it was cheaper for America to let illegals in rather than the cost of keeping them out what would you decide?
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Economics are #1 to me but I think a country has to have closed borders for its own protection. I don't see any way that allowing illegals in would be less expensive though (as far as overall costs).
I think we can learn from England's mistake. We can't let people in who don't want to be citizens, don't want to be productive workers who contribute and who want to retain their own identity and nationality without any assimilation or pride becoming an American.
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Why the fuck would I need a national ID card? Lets see I already have my birth certificate, drivers license, IL ID card, social security card........
More government encroachment on the American citizen.
This sounds similar to the Command Access Card that the military folks have, only on a more MASSIVE scale.