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Culled outObama administration will accept no more public input for federal fishery strategy
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ESPNOutdoors.com
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The Obama administration will accept no more public input for a federal strategy that could prohibit U.S. citizens from fishing the nation's oceans, coastal areas, Great Lakes, and even inland waters.
This announcement comes at the time when the situation supposedly still is "fluid" and the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force still hasn't issued its final report on zoning uses of these waters.
That's a disappointment, but not really a surprise for fishing industry insiders who have negotiated for months with officials at the Council on Environmental Quality and bureaucrats on the task force. These angling advocates have come to suspect that public input into the process was a charade from the beginning.
"When the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) and International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW) completed their successful campaign to convince the Ontario government to end one of the best scientifically managed big game hunts in North America (spring bear), the results of their agenda had severe economic impacts on small family businesses and the tourism economy of communities across northern and central Ontario," said Phil Morlock, director of environmental affairs for Shimano.
"Now we see NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) and the administration planning the future of recreational fishing access in America based on a similar agenda of these same groups and other Big Green anti-use organizations, through an Executive Order by the President. The current U.S. direction with fishing is a direct parallel to what happened in Canada with hunting: The negative economic impacts on hard working American families and small businesses are being ignored.
"In spite of what we hear daily in the press about the President's concern for jobs and the economy and contrary to what he stated in the June order creating this process, we have seen no evidence from NOAA or the task force that recreational fishing and related jobs are receiving any priority."
Consequently, unless anglers speak up and convince their Congressional representatives to stop this bureaucratic freight train, it appears that the task force will issue a final report for "marine spatial planning" by late March, with President Barack Obama then issuing an Executive Order to implement its recommendations — whatever they may be.
Led by NOAA's Jane Lubchenco, the task force has shown no overt dislike of recreational angling, but its indifference to the economic, social and biological value of the sport has been deafening.
Additionally, Lubchenco and others in the administration have close ties to environmental groups who would like nothing better than to ban recreational angling. And evidence suggests that these organizations have been the engine behind the task force since before Obama issued a memo creating it last June.
One sign at the rally of recreational and commercial fishermen summed up the feelings. As ESPN previously reported, WWF, Greenpeace, Defenders of Wildlife, Pew Environment Group and others produced a document entitled "Transition Green" shortly after Obama was elected in 2008. What has happened since suggests that the task force has been in lockstep with that position paper.
Then in late summer, just after he created the task force, these groups produced "Recommendations for the Adoption and Implementation of an Oceans, Coasts, and Great Lakes National Policy." This document makes repeated references to "overfishing," but doesn't once reference recreational angling, its importance, and its benefits, both to participants and the resource.
Additionally, some of these same organizations have revealed their anti-fishing bias by playing fast and loose with "facts," in attempts to ban tackle containing lead in the United States and Canada.
That same tunnel vision, in which recreational angling and commercial fishing are indiscriminately lumped together as harmful to the resource, has persisted with the task force, despite protests by the angling industry.
As more evidence of collusion, the green groups began clamoring for an Executive Order to implement the task force's recommendations even before the public comment period ended in February. Fishing advocates had no idea that this was coming.
Perhaps not so coincidentally, the New York Times reported on Feb. 12 that "President Obama and his team are preparing an array of actions using his executive power to advance energy, environmental, fiscal and other domestic policy priorities."
Morlock fears that "what we're seeing coming at us is an attempted dismantling of the science-based fish and wildlife model that has served us so well. There's no basis in science for the agendas of these groups who are trying to push the public out of being able to fish and recreate.
"Conflicts (user) are overstated and problems are manufactured. It's all just an excuse to put us off the water."
In the wake of the task force's framework document, the Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation (CSF) and its partners in the U.S. Recreational Fishing & Boating Coalition against voiced their concerns to the administration.
"Some of the potential policy implications of this interim framework have the potential to be a real threat to recreational anglers who not only contribute billions of dollars to the economy and millions of dollars in tax revenues to support fisheries conservation, but who are also the backbone of the American fish and wildlife conservation ethic," said CSF President Jeff Crane.
Morlock, a member of the CSF board, added, "There are over one million jobs in America supported coast to coast by recreational fishing. The task force has not included any accountability requirements in their reports for evaluating or mitigating how the new policies they are drafting will impact the fishing industry or related economies.
"Given that the scope of this process appears to include a new set of policies for all coastal and inland waters of the United States, the omission of economic considerations is inexcusable."
This is not the only access issue threatening the public's right to fish, but it definitely is the most serious, according to Chris Horton, national conservation director for BASS.
"With what's being created, the same principles could apply inland as apply to the oceans," he said. "Under the guise of 'marine spatial planning' entire watersheds could be shut down, even 2,000 miles up a river drainage from the ocean.
"Every angler needs to be aware because if it's not happening in your backyard today or tomorrow, it will be eventually.
"We have one of the largest voting blocks in the country and we need to use it. We must not sit idly by."
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Is anyone surprised by this?
Is ESPN a fringe source?
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well 333 there was a tornado in oklahoma, so i am sure that it screwed up the numbers and facts on that :D
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The knee padders are too busy with their cat nip of MAObama screaming at the teleprompters to realize what is really going on that the MSM does not report.
Big Mal is going to say ESPN is scaremongering now too.
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No Im not surprised.This is Obama.He will take over everything and try to control everything we do.He knows best because he went to Harvard so he is a brilliant man.Nov. cant come quick enough and then on to 2012 and get this freaking coon out of there.
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No Im not surprised.This is Obama.He will take over everything and try to control everything we do.He knows best because he went to Harvard so he is a brilliant man.Nov. cant come quick enough and then on to 2012 and get this freaking #### out of there.
But Palin going to a Canadian hospital 40 years ago is news. ::) ::)
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Obama care is literally 10 days away from securing universal medicine for america, forever...
and the fact any repub on the planet is wasting time with shit like this?
Obama has gotta be laughing his ass off. Maybe he'll put the wifey in a pair of $600 sneakers and let the media talk about that for another week to finish pushing the bill theu. Repubs will do their part and start threads about the shoes.
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palin going to canadadidnt make the e.u. rate jump to 10% or quadruple the debt in one year
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Obama care is literally 10 days away from securing universal medicine for america, forever...
and the fact any repub on the planet is wasting time with shit like this?
Obama has gotta be laughing his ass off. Maybe he'll put the wifey in a pair of $600 sneakers and let the media talk about that for another week to finish pushing the bill theu. Repubs will do their part and start threads about the shoes.
Hey idiot!!!!Tell me how republicans can stop it?The democrats have the votes.Your a fucking fool.VBy the way too many fishing is very very important.It might not be to you,but to some its more important then health care.
The idea that he puts these stories out as a decoy is so fucking retarded its a joke.THE MOTHER FUCKER HAS THE VOTES TO PASS anything AND HE CANT!!!!Why?Because as Dan Rather says "he cant sell watermellond to n##gers".
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Obama care is literally 10 days away from securing universal medicine for america, forever...
and the fact any repub on the planet is wasting time with shit like this?
Obama has gotta be laughing his ass off. Maybe he'll put the wifey in a pair of $600 sneakers and let the media talk about that for another week to finish pushing the bill theu. Repubs will do their part and start threads about the shoes.
Bro - you are the biggest offender!
I know I called all my reps many times and sent many letters have you?
I have posted tons of articles on how bad MengeleCare is to inform people - have you?
I have gotten family and facebook people to call their reps over this disaster have you?
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"Hey idiot!!!!Tell me how republicans can stop it?"
Listen, we can put up our degrees, IQ tests, whatever, and decide who is more intelligent if you want to have that battle.
Or, maybe the repubs COULD stop it. Maybt ehy'll take the Billy Mcnuggets defeatist move, like you suggested. or maybe...
If "I" was a republican congressman determined to stop the biggest domestic policy spending disaster in 40 years (which is likely is), you know what I'd be doing?
Staging a 200+ man congressional march from DC to philly (or whatever city). call it the 'healthcare freedom march' or something cheesy. get FOX to hype the shit out of it. A fri/sat/sunday affair where millions of americans join in the march at some point, and they all say the same thing - "Congress, vote No on this bill". This is what I'd be doing. Leading one last monumental march... if they can rally a nice group for 9/12 for a made-up glen beck holiday, you think they can't get 3 mil to show up for the biggest $ mistake in our lifetimes?
But that's because 240 has a set of fvcking balls... and repubs in congress maybe dont...
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"Hey idiot!!!!Tell me how republicans can stop it?"
Listen, we can put up our degrees, IQ tests, whatever, and decide who is more intelligent if you want to have that battle.
Or, maybe the repubs COULD stop it. Maybt ehy'll take the Billy Mcnuggets defeatist move, like you suggested. or maybe...
If "I" was a republican congressman determined to stop the biggest domestic policy spending disaster in 40 years (which is likely is), you know what I'd be doing?
Staging a 200+ man congressional march from DC to philly (or whatever city). call it the 'healthcare freedom march' or something cheesy. get FOX to hype the shit out of it. A fri/sat/sunday affair where millions of americans join in the march at some point, and they all say the same thing - "Congress, vote No on this bill". This is what I'd be doing. Leading one last monumental march... if they can rally a nice group for 9/12 for a made-up glen beck holiday, you think they can't get 3 mil to show up for the biggest $ mistake in our lifetimes?
But that's because 240 has a set of fvcking balls... and repubs in congress maybe dont...
How many reps have you called and letters faxed or written?
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I already know my reps don't have the balls to enact a media-saavy move like this.
THIS is what it would take - not bitching about it to sean hannity 9preaching to teh choir).
obama won the election because he knew how to rally a crowd into a frenzy.
Repubs need to do the same!
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I already know my reps don't have the balls to enact a media-saavy move like this.
THIS is what it would take - not bitching about it to sean hannity 9preaching to teh choir).
obama won the election because he knew how to rally a crowd into a frenzy.
Repubs need to do the same!
Answer my question please.
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This is quite the scare mongering article 333. I doubt the Obama admin are going to ban all fishing but a restriction needs to be in place and limits need to be adhered to. You can not seriously question that fish stocks are reducing at alarming rates. Sockeye salmon for example is running so low up in Vancouver that their own federal government is investigating. Orange roughy has been fished to near extinction and a lot of stores won't carry it on principal. If we are to preserve out national lakes, oceans and fisheries we have to have strict enforcement of the rules and regulations, and stricter rules and regulations to enforce. It's that simple.
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This is quite the scare mongering article 333. I doubt the Obama admin are going to ban all fishing but a restriction needs to be in place and limits need to be adhered to. You can not seriously question that fish stocks are reducing at alarming rates. Sockeye salmon for example is running so low up in Vancouver that their own federal government is investigating. Orange roughy has been fished to near extinction and a lot of stores won't carry it on principal. If we are to preserve out national lakes, oceans and fisheries we have to have strict enforcement of the rules and regulations, and stricter rules and regulations to enforce. It's that simple.
Yes and we should allow enviro kooks and Obama to determine it because they are brilliant.
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This is quite the scare mongering article 333. I doubt the Obama admin are going to ban all fishing but a restriction needs to be in place and limits need to be adhered to. You can not seriously question that fish stocks are reducing at alarming rates. Sockeye salmon for example is running so low up in Vancouver that their own federal government is investigating. Orange roughy has been fished to near extinction and a lot of stores won't carry it on principal. If we are to preserve out national lakes, oceans and fisheries we have to have strict enforcement of the rules and regulations, and stricter rules and regulations to enforce. It's that simple.
Go to that link and look at some of the well informed comments on the espn site. Alot of the posters seem to know a lot of about the topic and are livid over this.
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Go to that link and look at some of the well informed comments on the espn site. Alot of the posters seem to know a lot of about the topic and are livid over this.
I'm sure they are and it's people like them who aren't the problem. I don't agree with a full ban everywhere but if there is a sound scientific reason as to why i can not fish a certain lake i.e. lower fish stocks etc then i will adhere to it. I believe it's my right to enjoy this beautiful country but not at the expense of destroying it for others.
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I'm sure they are and it's people like them who aren't the problem. I don't agree with a full ban everywhere but if there is a sound scientific reason as to why i can not fish a certain lake i.e. lower fish stocks etc then i will adhere to it. I believe it's my right to enjoy this beautiful country but not at the expense of destroying it for others.
Oh right, cause the govt always has only the best motives behind these things. ::) ::)
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"Hey idiot!!!!Tell me how republicans can stop it?"
Listen, we can put up our degrees, IQ tests, whatever, and decide who is more intelligent if you want to have that battle.
Or, maybe the repubs COULD stop it. Maybt ehy'll take the Billy Mcnuggets defeatist move, like you suggested. or maybe...
If "I" was a republican congressman determined to stop the biggest domestic policy spending disaster in 40 years (which is likely is), you know what I'd be doing?
Staging a 200+ man congressional march from DC to philly (or whatever city). call it the 'healthcare freedom march' or something cheesy. get FOX to hype the shit out of it. A fri/sat/sunday affair where millions of americans join in the march at some point, and they all say the same thing - "Congress, vote No on this bill". This is what I'd be doing. Leading one last monumental march... if they can rally a nice group for 9/12 for a made-up glen beck holiday, you think they can't get 3 mil to show up for the biggest $ mistake in our lifetimes?
But that's because 240 has a set of fvcking balls... and repubs in congress maybe dont...
Lets see numerous tea partys,numerous protests,numerous town halls,elections in New Jersey and Mass.The democrats have the votes,supermajorities in both houses.Calls to congress,calls to the senate.The democrats have told members that they have to vote for this even if it costs them their seat and they will be taken care of.The only hope is that some dems have sense,I doubt it.
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Oh right, cause the govt always has only the best motives behind these things. ::) ::)
Dude you're not even a fisherman. You've got no interest in this at all other than to bash Obama.
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Dude you're not even a fisherman. You've got no interest in this at all other than to bash Obama.
My uncle is, my father is, my cousins are, and MILLIONS of americans are.
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My uncle is, my father is, my cousins are, and MILLIONS of americans are.
Haha they all fish for a living do they?
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Haha they all fish for a living do they?
No they are heavily into recreation fishing in waters likely to be affected by this nonsense.
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'Lets see numerous tea partys,numerous protests,numerous town halls,elections in New Jersey and Mass.The democrats have the votes,supermajorities in both houses.Calls to congress,calls to the senate.The democrats have told members that they have to vote for this even if it costs them their seat and they will be taken care of.The only hope is that some dems have sense,I doubt it."
YOU can play that kinda defeatist game, if you want.
However, if congress, beck, hannity, palin, Steele, Rush, the tea party, and every right-wing radio host in the nation were to UNITE in one giant march like this, it very well could stop congress.
But no, their fragile freaking egos won't let them work together like that. Or their lack of leadership. Or balls. I dunno. but THAT is what 240 would do as head of the GOP. Not some 500-person rally in NJ like you mentioned. Rather, a SUPER gathering, march, that unites the entire country.
No offense billy, but those those that don't watch FOX, the rallies you mentioned are just a drop in the bucket. I'm talking about something BIG, a march, where Steele, palin and Romney all man the phone lines begging every right-wing and moderate radio host to rally their peopel, etc. Why the fck isn't Palin on the phone right now doing this, too busy grifting Oscar freebies?
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'Lets see numerous tea partys,numerous protests,numerous town halls,elections in New Jersey and Mass.The democrats have the votes,supermajorities in both houses.Calls to congress,calls to the senate.The democrats have told members that they have to vote for this even if it costs them their seat and they will be taken care of.The only hope is that some dems have sense,I doubt it."
YOU can play that kinda defeatist game, if you want.
However, if congress, beck, hannity, palin, Steele, Rush, the tea party, and every right-wing radio host in the nation were to UNITE in one giant march like this, it very well could stop congress.
But no, their fragile freaking egos won't let them work together like that. Or their lack of leadership. Or balls. I dunno. but THAT is what 240 would do as head of the GOP. Not some 500-person rally in NJ like you mentioned. Rather, a SUPER gathering, march, that unites the entire country.
No offense billy, but those those that don't watch FOX, the rallies you mentioned are just a drop in the bucket. I'm talking about something BIG, a march, where Steele, palin and Romney all man the phone lines begging every right-wing and moderate radio host to rally their peopel, etc. Why the fck isn't Palin on the phone right now doing this, too busy grifting Oscar freebies?
The democrats are getting pounded on the phone lines,pounded by emails,they see the polls,they see the elections,they see it all,THEY DONT CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Obama,the communist,wants this,they have the votes.They will throw their careers away to push it through.They could get 5 million marching and Nncy Pelosi would say "its astroturf they carry SAWS-STICK-AS signs".They are deaf to all of it.They are socialists and know this is the last chance to jam through the biggest socialist control measure in history.
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Can you imagine that this little guy uses the office of the presidency to ban sport fishing?If this doesnt sum up this piece of shit I dont know what does.I cant wait to see this puke get sent back to his hood in a couple of years.
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Can you imagine that this little #### uses the office of the presidency to ban sport fishing?If this doesnt sum up this piece of shit I dont know what does.I cant wait to see this puke get sent back to his hood in a couple of years.
Yeah well make sure he goes to Hawaii, I don't want the fucker back here in Illinois
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phones pounded by who? the 5% of americans without their head up their ass?
accept defeat or go down swining... IMO repubs should swing back... ten million strong against health care mess. man those phone lines. No, instead it's just business as usualy. palin using her airtime to explain hand marker, Romney sucking up to palin on Letterman, repubs complaining not about the bill, but about reconcilliaton - hypocritical cause they all used it repeatedly during bush terms...
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phones pounded by who? the 5% of americans without their head up their ass?
accept defeat or go down swining... IMO repubs should swing back... ten million strong against health care mess. man those phone lines. No, instead it's just business as usualy. palin using her airtime to explain hand marker, Romney sucking up to palin on Letterman, repubs complaining not about the bill, but about reconcilliaton - hypocritical cause they all used it repeatedly during bush terms...
Since you claim to be a conservative, I take it you called yourself?
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Of course he didnt call HE IS FOR OBAMA!!!!!!Ive called about every three days and emailed everyday.THEY DONT CARE!!!!!!!!!!Whats funny is 240 actually thinks the republicans have a say,the democrats are the ones holding the bill up.Republicans cant do a fucking thing.Obama is such a left wing loon that even democrats cant support his radical agenda.But 240 likes him and defends him EVERYTIME he can and ALWAYS rips republicans.He never knocks the bill he rips republicans complaining about it.240=LIB!!!!!!!!!!!
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Of course he didnt call HE IS FOR OBAMA!!!!!!Ive called about every three days and emailed everyday.THEY DONT CARE!!!!!!!!!!Whats funny is 240 actually thinks the republicans have a say,the democrats are the ones holding the bill up.Republicans cant do a fucking thing.Obama is such a left wing loon that even democrats cant support his radical agenda.But 240 likes him and defends him EVERYTIME he can and ALWAYS rips republicans.He never knocks the bill he rips republicans complaining about it.240=LIB!!!!!!!!!!!
240 claiming he is a libertarian is one of the funniest things I ever saw him post.
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Regardless,
He is right.
Bu the people that should be called are the swing Congressmen.
But more importantly is to call the people that they know live in potential no districts and have sit ins and rallies like last summer.
The biggest thing is to give money to the dissenting organizations in these areas so that they can continue to advertise and provoke their member to vote according to the district.
Like
http://protectpatientrights.org/about/?id=28
There are many more organizations like this, especially anti abortion groups.
The antiabortion groups will be the first to cave so it will be necessary to lobby them the most.
If they pass the Senate bill then the fight is over.
BTW,
I fish lots, I belong to DU and to my local wildlife chapter.
Wildlife organizations use to work with the government to monitor fish and other wildlife.
The government doesn't have enough people to monitor every lake and to piss these groups off in order to gain acceptance for some urban wild life group like the Sierra club , is incredibly short sighted as wildlife management can only be accomplished with the inclusion of the hunters and fisherman as the main predators in most systems are gone and most fish licenses pay for the management and stocking of most lakes.
Illegal commercial fishing is responsible for the depletion of most fishing stocks.
As recreational fisherman only take a very small percentage of the overall fishing catch and pay far more in tourist dollars to do it.
Many areas will suffer if a bill like this goes through.
Especially around Maine, Washington and Florida. Where sport fishing brings in big tourist dollars.
But then again most urban people have never killed an animal or seen an animal killed for food accept on film. Which is a shame since most people eat meat. So again not a surprise.
The democrats are now an urban only party and could care less about rural people or rural votes, since they don't support the urban democrat agenda of Pelosi and Obama. So no surprise though.
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240 claiming he is a libertarian is one of the funniest things I ever saw him post.
Then he claims to have voted for Bob Barr.Bob Barr is a guy who is a right wing Christian fundamentalist and his views are EXACTLY the same as Palins on everything but the war and foreign policy.Then 240 says Palin is an idiot but her and Barr agree on just about every single issue.INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!
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Then he claims to have voted for Bob Barr.Bob Barr is a guy who is a right wing Christian fundamentalist and his views are EXACTLY the same as Palins on everything but the war and foreign policy.Then 240 says Palin is an idiot but her and Barr agree on just about every single issue.INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!
240 must be bi-polar.
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palin is an idiot with mostly solid positions.
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palin is an idiot with mostly solid positions.
Her positions are based around her faith.I believe your one of the ones that calls her a crazy Bible thumper.Bob Barr is also a fundamentalist Christian who bases his positions around his faith.Your double standard is quite astonishing.Even more amazing is that you praise people who have views that are insane and wrong as smart,and call others stupid who you claim have views similar to you.I dont get it.
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Her positions are based around her faith.I believe your one of the ones that calls her a crazy Bible thumper.Bob Barr is also a fundamentalist Christian who bases his positions around his faith.Your double standard is quite astonishing.Even more amazing is that you praise people who have views that are insane and wrong as smart,and call others stupid who you claim have views similar to you.I dont get it.
I think 240 just plays dumb to get people worked up. I simply cant accept that he believes 75% of the stuff he posts.
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actually, no, being pro-gun or anti-welfare isn't based on religion. ???
Palin's beliefs that the earth is 4000 years old, that ppl walked with dinos, or that alaska is the place to go when revelation begins...
yeah, that's freaky nut religious shit that doesn't belong in logical decision making for a president.
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actually, no, being pro-gun or anti-welfare isn't based on religion. ???
Palin's beliefs that the earth is 4000 years old, that ppl walked with dinos, or that alaska is the place to go when revelation begins...
yeah, that's freaky nut religious shit that doesn't belong in logical decision making for a president.
Being anti-welfare most certainly is Bible based."THE MAN WHO DOES NOT WORK,SHALL NOT EAT" Thats biblical.Her positions on school choice,abortion,the death penalty,low taxes are all faith based.Once again,you have no understanding how these people tie their faith into their politics.Go to ANY Pentecostal church[white ones]in this country and on any given Sunday you will see entire sermons on anti-gun control and the preacher will tie it into faith in Christ.People like Palin and other fundamentalists can take ANY issue ,find a quote in the Bible and prove their position is Bible based.I grew up in that,Ive seen it all my life.
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actually, no, being pro-gun or anti-welfare isn't based on religion. ???
Palin's beliefs that the earth is 4000 years old, that ppl walked with dinos, or that alaska is the place to go when revelation begins...
yeah, that's freaky nut religious shit that doesn't belong in logical decision making for a president.
hahaha she believes that nonsense? I thought her father was a science teacher? What'd he teach in school those wacky 'alternate' theories that have been dis proven time and again?
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yes, she believes the bible literally.
even huck, a baptist minister, said it's a useful book, but not to be taken literally and not every word is true.
Plus huck was never blessed by a witch doctor on the alter for video
(Cue billy to bring up rev wright, slumping palin into the shit wackjob category by doing so hahahaha)
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yes, she believes the bible literally.
even huck, a baptist minister, said it's a useful book, but not to be taken literally and not every word is true.
Plus huck was never blessed by a witch doctor on the alter for video
(Cue billy to bring up rev wright, slumping palin into the shit wackjob category by doing so hahahaha)
hahaha witch doctors, dinosaurs and a 4000 year old earth. You can't make this stuff up. Throw in an inability to think on her feet, crib notes on key republican points (you know because her dad did it too), and a childhood of using death panel medicine and you have yourself a real winner of a candidate.
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not only that, but people want to pair her up with 3-week senator Scott brown.
They feel 1.5 years of governor and 3 weeks of 'senatoring' are adequate to lead the nation.
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not only that, but people want to pair her up with 3-week senator Scott brown.
They feel 1.5 years of governor and 3 weeks of 'senatoring' are adequate to lead the nation.
Still more than Obama.
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not only that, but people want to pair her up with 3-week senator Scott brown.
They feel 1.5 years of governor and 3 weeks of 'senatoring' are adequate to lead the nation.
Oh jeez, a quitter and a newbie. Great. We all see exactly how Obama is turning out and we want to elect a dumber version of him? Congrats republicans, please tell yourself it's not about his skin colour it's just we want a white person who believes in a 4000 year old earth.
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Oh jeez, a quitter and a newbie. Great. We all see exactly how Obama is turning out and we want to elect a dumber version of him? Congrats republicans, please tell yourself it's not about his skin colour it's just we want a white person who believes in a 4000 year old earth.
I am hearing some good stuff about mitch daniels. I dont think Palin should run personally.
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I am hearing some good stuff about mitch daniels. I dont think Palin should run personally.
That's the problem people keep hearing good things about this person or that but there is no clear front runner. If this keeps going people will have some haphazard candidate whom half the base hates and half loves, while Obama coasts to another term because the repubs can't sort their sh*t out.
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That's the problem people keep hearing good things about this person or that but there is no clear front runner. If this keeps going people will have some haphazard candidate whom half the base hates and half loves, while Obama coasts to another term because the repubs can't sort their sh*t out.
I dont want a rockstar, I want a competent grounded sane person who know how to cut budgets.
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"Still more than Obama. "
333386,
honestly, now that we are both done kneepadding..
Do you believe that with 18 months of governor and a BS in journalism, palin was more prepared for the job as president, than obama?
Recall he had met foreign leaders and been privy to top level intel as a senator for 6 years, knew the law after 7 years in state senate, and had a law degree from one of the top
Tossing out their policy, views etc... If you were hiring a person to run the largest corporation on earth, would you hire a 18-month small-population governor over a harvard JD with 6 years on Foreign intelligence committee? Would you?
If the roles were reversed, would you have considered Senator Palin (law degree, 13 years in senates) to be LESS QUALIFIED than Governor obama, just a year into his 600,000 population state job?
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I dont want a rockstar, I want a competent grounded sane person who know how to cut budgets.
yeah that'll work 333. Come on you must know by now the presidency is not about who is the best but who portrays being the best. Heck you can pick with certainty who is going to win the election by handing people a photo of each and asking who looks like a better president. They've done that for a few elections now and it's come out with over 50% picking the right candidate. Based on a picture.
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yeah that'll work 333. Come on you must know by now the presidency is not about who is the best but who portrays being the best. Heck you can pick with certainty who is going to win the election by handing people a photo of each and asking who looks like a better president. They've done that for a few elections now and it's come out with over 50% picking the right candidate. Based on a picture.
You mean a 5'8 muscled shaved headed italian from Nu Yawk probably dont have a chance at the presidency? Say it aint so KC!
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"Still more than Obama. "
333386,
honestly, now that we are both done kneepadding..
Do you believe that with 18 months of governor and a BS in journalism, palin was more prepared for the job as president, than obama?
Recall he had met foreign leaders and been privy to top level intel as a senator for 6 years, knew the law after 7 years in state senate, and had a law degree from one of the top
Tossing out their policy, views etc... If you were hiring a person to run the largest corporation on earth, would you hire a 18-month small-population governor over a harvard JD with 6 years on Foreign intelligence committee? Would you?
If the roles were reversed, would you have considered Senator Palin (law degree, 13 years in senates) to be LESS QUALIFIED than Governor obama, just a year into his 600,000 population state job?
How is Obama's foreign relations working out for you.
He has pissed of almost every single ally and sides with Despots and Socialists whenever he gets the chance.
You realize that if Argentina goes after the Falklands, the UK will be out of Afghanistan.
Also the Brits have been very loyal to US including going into Iraq and provide the bulk of non US soldiers in Afghanistan and then they get smeared by Clinton.
Next he will hand over Taiwan as an act of good faith, just like he did with missile defense.
By the way 240 it has been over a year how did that stimulus package workout.
Seems like both unemployment and Jobless rates are at all time highs.
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How is Obama's foreign relations working out for you.
He has pissed of almost every single ally and sides with Despots and Socialists whenever he gets the chance.
You realize that if Argentina goes after the Falklands, the UK will be out of Afghanistan.
Also the Brits have been very loyal to US including going into Iraq and provide the bulk of non US soldiers in Afghanistan and then they get smeared by Clinton.
Next he will hand over Taiwan as an act of good faith, just like he did with missile defense.
By the way 240 it has been over a year how did that stimulus package workout.
Seems like both unemployment and Jobless rates are at all time highs.
240 has a few more months, by our agreement, where he has to admit he was wrong.
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yeah that'll work 333. Come on you must know by now the presidency is not about who is the best but who portrays being the best. Heck you can pick with certainty who is going to win the election by handing people a photo of each and asking who looks like a better president. They've done that for a few elections now and it's come out with over 50% picking the right candidate. Based on a picture.
This is true. It is in large part a beauty contest.
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33, you did not answer this:
Tossing out their policy, views etc... If you were hiring a person to run the largest corporation on earth, would you hire a 18-month small-population governor over a harvard JD with 6 years on Foreign intelligence committee? Would you?
If the roles were reversed, would you have considered Senator Palin (law degree, 13 years in senates) to be LESS QUALIFIED than Governor obama, just a year into his 600,000 population state job?
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33, you did not answer this:
Tossing out their policy, views etc... If you were hiring a person to run the largest corporation on earth, would you hire a 18-month small-population governor over a harvard JD with 6 years on Foreign intelligence committee? Would you?
If the roles were reversed, would you have considered Senator Palin (law degree, 13 years in senates) to be LESS QUALIFIED than Governor obama, just a year into his 600,000 population state job?
He didnt have 6 years foreing policy experience.
240 - remember this gem? You never mentioned this at all?
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Hold on a fucking second, Obama didn't become a US senator until Jan 4 2005, where exactly do you get 6 years of foreign policy experience? Sure as hell wasn't in the Illinois State Senate.
Strange how the Legend of Barack Obama grows, pretty soon he will have beat back the barbarian hordes from the gates of Rome.
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Hold on a fucking second, Obama didn't become a US senator until Jan 4 2005, where exactly do you get 6 years of foreign policy experience? Sure as hell wasn't in the Illinois State Senate.
And as far as being a Harvard graduate, whooopeedy Dooooo.
Kazan - did you watch my clip?
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Kazan - did you watch my clip?
Yeah I watched it, but it nothing new, same Um Ah stuttering BS. The rest of the country I can forgive for voting for him, but the people of IL there is no excuse.
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Yeah I watched it, but it nothing new, same Um Ah stuttering BS. The rest of the country I can forgive for voting for him, but the people of IL there is no excuse.
240 - what did Obama do in one year that made him go from unqualified t qualified?
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"240 - what did Obama do in one year that made him go from unqualified t qualified? "
honestly? nothing of course.
I see this is the first time you have realized all politicians are lying, disingenuous d-bags. it's cool. It's painful to learn your heroes aren't everything you believed. Wait til you learn how dangerously unqualified and dim that one candidate was in 08.
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"240 - what did Obama do in one year that made him go from unqualified t qualified? "
honestly? nothing of course.
I see this is the first time you have realized all politicians are lying, disingenuous d-bags. it's cool. It's painful to learn your heroes aren't everything you believed. Wait til you learn how dangerously unqualified and dim that one candidate was in 08.
Obama was never my hero unlike you. ;D
The original GSP is one of my heroes.
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GSP? GodSend Palin?
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GSP? GodSend Palin?
George S. Patton
The original GSP!
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BUMP
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I am appalled at the utter stupidity.
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I am appalled at the utter stupidity.
Don't blame me, you voted for this!
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I am appalled at the utter stupidity.
The stupidity,as it is always the case,comes from the left wing media for reporting it.
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I freaking told you guys.
Obama is doing everything he can to end this nation. If my EPA article today does not spell it out for you morons, I don't know what will.
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Joel Hovanesian: Government out to destroy local fishermen
Providence Journal ^ | January 6, 2008 | Joel Hovanesian
Posted on July 3, 2011 6:45:43 PM EDT by george76
As a lifelong commercial fisherman from Rhode Island who is involved with the regulatory process, I have one simple question to ask: Just what are we trying to accomplish with fish quotas?
Federally, the science that drives the stock assessments and sets the quotas is so bad that industry has taken it upon itself to provide a better snapshot of many stocks of concern. Predictably, the picture is not nearly as dire as our federal scientists would lead us to believe.
Recently, a side-by-side comparison was done, using the new multi-gazillion-dollar research vessel paid for with your tax dollars and a simple run-of-the-mill stern trawler captained by a knowledgeable skipper from Virginia.
Not only did the much smaller commercial boat out-catch the government vessel by about 1,000 percent, but the government boat also totally missed many species that the smaller boat caught. This was while fishing side by side!
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A major consumer advocacy group has released a new study of fishery job losses caused by the regulatory program being pushed by the Obama administration ...
Food & Water Watch last week released its global research report showing a common pattern of job loss to consolidation and profiteering through catch share management regimens, and leaders called on Congress to prevent further expansions of the regulatory scheme, which came with controversy to Gloucester and the New England groundfishery last year.
http://www.gloucestertimes.com/local/x177907825/Consumer-group-joins-call-top-halt-catch-shares
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‘Beginning of the end for small fishermen’
Captains issue S.O.S., claiming new rules meant to save the fish are killing their way of life
By Jessica Fargen | Sunday, July 3, 2011 | http://www.bostonherald.com | Local Coverage
Photo by Patrick Whittemore
With the height of the New England fishing season getting under way this week, small family fishermen say controversial new rules are destroying their livelihood — forcing them to sell their boats and instead search for work as laborers on larger vessels.
“It’s a death knell. It’s the beginning of the end for small fishermen,” said Rhode Island fisherman Joel Hovanesian, 54, who recently sold his boat.
Plymouth fisherman Stephen Welch, 50, a father of two, said: “We’re in a crisis right now.”
The new rules — put into place one year ago — place hard catch limits that restrict how much groundfish, such as cod and haddock, a fisherman can catch. Fishermen are given allotments of fish and can buy and sell those.
Under the old system, fishermen were allowed a certain number of days at sea.
Figures from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration show larger operations appear to have benefited. Annual revenue for boats larger than 75 feet increased approximately 33 percent in 2010 — up to $800,000, from $600,000 in 2009.
New Bedford Mayor Scott Lang, who, along with the city of Gloucester, sued NOAA over the new rules and recently lost, said he plans to ask the Commerce Department’s Inspector General to investigate.
“New Bedford and Gloucester are letting everyone know we will challenge anything that threatens the culture, history and traditions of our seacoast communities,” he said. “The average fisherman, the family fishermen, are being driven out.”
The fight over fishing rules has stretched all the way to the White House and crossed party lines.
Congressional members of both parties, including Republican U.S. Sen. Scott Brown and Democrat U.S. Rep. Barney Frank, are skeptical about the environmental ties of President Obama’s pick for Department of Commerce secretary, who oversees the nation’s fisheries. Environmental groups have backed the new rules.
“The industry is hurting deeply,” Brown told the Herald this week. “It’s putting people out of business,” he said of the new rules.
NOAA, which regulates fishermen, says the changes are necessary to protect the region’s fish stock. They say it’s too early to tell the impact of the new rules on small-boat fishermen and seacoast communities, but they are studying the issue.
NOAA spokeswoman. Maggie Mooney-Seus said overfishing would have killed the industry had the new rules not been in place.
“We are going to prevent the stocks from deteriorating,” Mooney-Seus said. “Every measure put in place over the last several years is helping to rebuild the stock. If you talk to fishermen they are saying, ‘I’m seeing more fish out there than I’ve ever seen before.’ ”
But locals say they’re struggling to survive.
“It’s very hard,” said Jim Keding, 42, as he stood on a dock in Plymouth Harbor on Friday.
Keding, a dad of two, recently sold his boat, the Zachary Nicholas, because his allotment of 15,000 pounds of groundfish wasn’t enough. In 2009, he brought in 73,000 pounds. “It’s putting us out of business,” said Keding.
Lifelong fisherman Rich Burgess, 57, is selling two of his four boats.
“They just can’t afford to go fishing,” said Burgess, as he cleaned up his boat, the Heidi & Heather, docked in Gloucester Harbor last week. Under the new rules last year, he caught 50 percent less groundfish — cutting his income in half.
Larry Ciulla, owner of the Gloucester Seafood Display Auction, where crews unload the day’s catch, has seen a downturn in the last year.
“There are a lot of boats that just don’t go fishing and that’s sad,” he said. “Each small boat is a business.”
Supporters of the new rules say they have brought stability and reduced wasteful discards of fish.
“What this all amounts to is more flexibility and predictability for fishermen, and the necessary ingredients for recovering groundfish stocks,” Johanna Thomas, director of Pacific and New England regions at the Environmental Defense Fund oceans program, said in an e-mail.
However, according to Tina Jackson, president of the American Alliance for Fishermen and their Communities: “This has been so devastating to communities up and down the East Coast. . . . It’s a bad program. It doesn’t work. It doesn’t save fish stock.”
Article URL: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1349376
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Obama - killing off one industry at a time.
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President Barack Obama has an ambitious plan for Washington bureaucrats to take command of the oceans—and with it control over much of the nation’s energy, fisheries, even recreation in a move described by lawmakers as the ultimate power grab to zone the seas.
The massive undertaking also includes control over key inland waterways and rivers that reach hundreds of miles upstream, and began with little fanfare when Obama signed an executive order in 2010 to protect the aquatic environment.
“This one to me could be the sleeping power grab that Americans will wake up to one day and wonder what the heck hit them,” said Rep. Bill Flores (R –Texas).
“This is pure administrative fiat,” said Sen. David Vitter (R –La.). “It’s very troubling.”
“This is purely a unilateral administrative action with no real congressional input or oversight,” Vitter said. “I think it clearly threatens to have a big impact on a lot of industry, starting with energy, oil and gas, and fishing.”
But in his zeal to curb sea sprawl, lawmakers say the president’s executive order also gives Washington officialdom unprecedented reach to control land use as well.
“The order says they shall develop a scheme for oversight of oceans and all the sources thereof,” Flores said. “So you could have a snowflake land on Pikes Peak and ultimately it’s going to wind up in the water, so as a result they could regulate on every square inch of U.S. soil.”
Impacts on industry, consumers
The effects of Obama’s far-reaching policy would be felt by numerous industries including wind farms and other renewable energy undertakings, ports, shipping vessels, and other marine commerce, and upstream it would also affect mining, timber, even farming.
It will impact consumers directly through rules addressing recreational uses such as fishing and boating, and restricting the multiple use development of the ocean’s resources would also increase the cost of fuel and food, lawmakers say.
The idea to create a policy to oversee multiple uses of the ocean originated during the Bush administration, but after push back from within the ranks, including Vitter, the idea was dropped.
Critics of this revised plan say it is more narrowly focused, and that the Obama administration is taking their marching orders from environmental groups who want to move away from a multiple-use ocean policy to a no-use policy.
“If you look at the catalyst for the entire initiative, it comes from the playbook of environmental groups that think the ocean ought to be controlled by the federal government,” Flores said.
Added Vitter: “This (Obama) administration is more aggressive and left-leaning, and they are going whole hog. I think it’s clearly a threat, and in terms of negatively impacting jobs, it’s a very, very big threat.”
Blocking new oil, gas production
The ocean policy has already impacted oil and gas development in the Mid and South Atlantic, where more environmental analysis is now required to determine whether new studies must also be conducted to determine its safety, according to Interior Department Secretary Ken Salazar.
Jack Belcher, managing director of the Ocean Policy Coalition that represents numerous industries affected by Obama’s initiative including oil companies, says Salazar’s action is one example of how the administration is already blocking new production “on a policy that hasn’t even been developed yet.”
Still in its draft form, the plan released in January contains vague goals that call for more than 150 milestones to be accomplished by next year that will determine how the ecosystem is managed.
“Right now, we can only speculate on the impacts,” Belcher said. “But all of a sudden, there’s a new authority creating a new plan that may not allow oil and gas leasing or development in (some) areas.”
“But what we are worried about, and already seeing, is it’s being used as a tool to say we’re not going to do something, or delay it,” Belcher said. “It creates another layer of bureaucracy and another opportunity for litigation. We see this as an opportunity to tie things up in complete uncertainty.”
Belcher said his members are not opposed to having a process in place to manage all of the industries that depend on the ocean, but that they are already operating under numerous and sometimes onerous regulations that guide energy development, the shipping of goods, wind farm construction, and commercial fishing.
“It isn’t just chaos on the high seas, but this ocean policy takes the assumption that it is,” Belcher said. “We’re fearful that (Obama’s policy) will result in a more draconian system.”
The regulatory uncertainty created by the draft plan for industries and its employees that depend on the ocean has prompted numerous Republican senators to ask for congressional oversight hearings.
“In these tough economic times, it would be unfortunate if Congress chose to ignore responsibility for limiting bureaucratic hurdles to prosperity,” the lawmakers said in a March 20 letter. The letter was signed by Sens. Vitter, Marco Rubio of Florida, Mike Lee of Utah, John Barrasso of Wyoming, Jim DeMint of South Carolina, Jeff Sessions of Alabama, Roger Wicker of Mississippi, Mike Crapo of Idaho and John Cornyn of Texas.
The ocean policy has been a sleeper issue with very little media coverage, but now that it is starting to affect industries such as gas and oil production, lawmakers say congressional hearings are needed to take a broader look at its impact and consider public input from all of the stakeholders, not just environmentalists.
“This has largely been completely under the radar,” Vitter said. “And that is exactly the way the administration and their environmental allies want to do it—announce the administrative fiat is complete and that we have this new way of life that nobody knew was coming.”
House Republicans are fighting back by tightening the purse strings they control and hope that by cutting off funding to implement the policy, and putting a stop to officials they believe are siphoning money away from other programs, they can block it from going forward.
Rep. Hal Rogers (R -Ky.), who heads the powerful House Appropriations Committee, has been asked to put a stop to the administration’s “cloaked funding” by Rep. Doc Hastings (R–Wash.), chairman of the House Resources Committee.
“The Obama administration continues to move forward with zoning the oceans through implementation of the president’s National Ocean Policy without requesting funding specifically for this broad initiative and without answering basic questions about how funds are currently being diverted from other missions to fund this initiative,” Hastings said in an April 2 letter to Rogers.
Although critics of the plan say it will create an unprecedented aquatic zoning commission, the administration has repeatedly denied it.
Administration’s defense
Nancy Sutley, chair of the White House Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) and co-chair of the newly created National Ocean Council in charge of the new policy, said the plan “has been mischaracterized as ‘ocean zoning.’”
“The National Ocean Policy does not create any new regulations,” added Jane Lubchenco, undersecretary of Commerce for oceans and atmosphere. “It is a planning process, it’s not zoning.”
Calls to CEQ, which oversees the policy, were not returned.
However, critics point to an Interior Department memo that says the plan “has emerged as a new paradigm and planning strategy for coordinating all marine and coastal activities and facility constructions within the context of a national zoning plan.”
Additionally, former Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Thad Allen, a member of the Ocean Policy Task Force, told OnEarth Magazine in May, 2010, the plan is “basically taking the notion of urban planning and putting it into the water column, as well as the estuary systems that connect it to everything that impacts ocean ecosystems.”
Rep. Don Young (R–Alaska) explained the new bureaucracy to his constituents during an April 3 Alaska field hearing as “a complicated bureaucratic scheme which includes a 27-member national ocean council; an 18-member governance coordinating committee; 10 national policies; nine regional planning bodies—each involving as many as 27 federal agencies as well as states and tribes; nine national priority objectives; nine strategic action plans; seven national goals for coastal marine spatial planning; and 12 guiding principles for coastal marine spatial planning.”
“Are you confused yet?” Young asked the crowd.
“The administration claims that this whole National Ocean Policy is nothing more than an attempt to coordinate federal agencies and make better permitting decisions,” Young said. “Forgive me if I am a little suspicious when the federal government—through an executive order—decides to create a new bureaucracy that will ‘help’ us plan where activities can or cannot take place in our waters and inland.”
Competing values
Environmental groups that support the president’s efforts include the Pew Charitable Trusts, which says that the fragile health of the oceans is being threatened by the increasing industrialization of the seas.
“If poorly planned or managed, drilling for oil and natural gas in federal waters, developing aquaculture and building wind, wave and tidal energy facilities all have the potential to damage America’s marine environment,” Pew said in a statement supporting the president’s policy.
But some believe bureaucratic interference on such a large scale is the real threat.
“The last thing we need is the federal government running the damn ocean and a bunch of bureaucrats running around trying to determine whether you can fish in one spot or another,” said Dan Kish, senior vice president for policy at the Institute for Energy Research.
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