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Every day we have Obama screaming about health insurance companies and all the nasty things they do. Yesterday he took off his jacket and took a posture of someone getting ready for a fist fight.
He went on a littany of all the "evil" things they supposedly do to the point he practically lost his voice.
YET YET YET YET YET
ObamaCare, for the first time in history, requires us all to purchase PRIVATE health insurance from these very same companies he is screaming about every day under IRS penalty and enforcement.
AM I MISSING SOMETHING OR IS THIS PERHAPS THE MOST HYPOCRITIAL THING THIS FOOL HAS DONE YET?
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Sadly, he can and will be more hypocritical.
If Dems want the final nail in their coffin, then they will pass Obamacare
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Sadly, he can and will be more hypocritical.
If Dems want the final nail in their coffin, then they will pass Obamacare
I'm serious, how can people be this gullible and stupid to believe Obama on anything at this point?
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Even the Young Turks get it and i normally cant stand this guy.
How can anyone believe this crap?
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This is SOP for the government, they have to demonoze something, usually in the private sector in order to gin up support to expand the federal government.
So we have a government who can't even come remotely close to balancing a budget, let alone not backrupt the country, demonizing private buisness who have to make a profit.
Then we have the useful idiots who fall right in line and buy the bait and switch the POTUS is selling.
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Can Obama get any more Hypocritical than this?
YES, HE CAN!!! YES, HE CAN!!!
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Can Obama get any more Hypocritical than this?
YES, HE CAN!!! YES, HE CAN!!!
I'm serious, how on earth does anyone, other than 240 of course, believe this liar?
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33,
Do you *really* think I believe whatever Obama says? Really? Do you really think that with my understanding of history, awareness of the BS behind both sides, realization of shit like 911 that you can't even handle emotionally, and 15 straight years of news watching, that I don't recognize the game yet?
I mean, do you really put me in that same category as the american idol idiots?
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33,
Do you *really* think I believe whatever Obama says? Really? Do you really think that with my understanding of history, awareness of the BS behind both sides, realization of shit like 911 that you can't even handle emotionally, and 15 straight years of news watching, that I don't recognize the game yet?
I mean, do you really put me in that same category as the american idol idiots?
I really dont know 240. The way you rationalize almost every sinlge thing this admn does makes me wonder.
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sometimes it's for sake of argument. I learn more from playing devil's advocate, and having 5 different valid arguments thrown at me, than just by saying "Right on man, zero sucks" and having a big circle jerk on it.
People here can call me anything they want, it's not a big deal if someone thinks I'm a lib. Personally, I would shoot a bad guy in the head to save their ass as they pisse themselves to call 911. I was the one saying before the election, you'd better be prepared. Suddenly, obama wins, and mofos are bragging about the bags of rice and ammo they just paid double for. I mean, really?
Obama is right on some things - the middle class had to be restored thanks to 8 years of bush cutting medicare, vetosing S-chip, etc. yes, bush went too far. now, obama is going too far to the left with entitlements. Remember that pendulum I spoke of a year ago.
In 2012 (or more likely 2016, as Obama is still in great shape in popularity, and unless the GOp can find a rockstar without crib notes on her palm), the repubs will come back with a less-obnoxious version of Dubya, who will slash the obama handouts for 8 years.
It is what it is. People from both parties would love their side to run the white house for 40 years. They are morons for wanting this.
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sometimes it's for sake of argument. I learn more from playing devil's advocate, and having 5 different valid arguments thrown at me, than just by saying "Right on man, zero sucks" and having a big circle jerk on it.
People here can call me anything they want, it's not a big deal if someone thinks I'm a lib. Personally, I would shoot a bad guy in the head to save their ass as they pisse themselves to call 911. I was the one saying before the election, you'd better be prepared. Suddenly, obama wins, and mofos are bragging about the bags of rice and ammo they just paid double for. I mean, really?
Obama is right on some things - the middle class had to be restored thanks to 8 years of bush cutting medicare, vetosing S-chip, etc. yes, bush went too far. now, obama is going too far to the left with entitlements. Remember that pendulum I spoke of a year ago.
In 2012 (or more likely 2016, as Obama is still in great shape in popularity, and unless the GOp can find a rockstar without crib notes on her palm), the repubs will come back with a less-obnoxious version of Dubya, who will slash the obama handouts for 8 years.
It is what it is. People from both parties would love their side to run the white house for 40 years. They are morons for wanting this.
Is not having a marxist stampede too much to ask for 240?
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I dunno what you mean? ???
You mean everyone getting voted out in 2010?
it's possible, but I doubt the rage will be there for most voters. Sure they will lose seats, but is healthcare as divisive for the repubs as gun control was in 94 with that brady bill? I dont think so. I remember people around me,, pissed as hell, about the brady bill. I don't see average joes pissed about healthcare. yeah, fox viewers are. But in 94, people were acting like its the end of the world.
Honestly, most people I know DO NOT have healthcare right now. Are they THAT pissed that obama is trying to change it? Now, most peope in 94 DID own guns... so yeah, that affected them much more.
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I dunno what you mean? ???
You mean everyone getting voted out in 2010?
it's possible, but I doubt the rage will be there for most voters. Sure they will lose seats, but is healthcare as divisive for the repubs as gun control was in 94 with that brady bill? I dont think so. I remember people around me,, pissed as hell, about the brady bill. I don't see average joes pissed about healthcare. yeah, fox viewers are. But in 94, people were acting like its the end of the world.
Honestly, most people I know DO NOT have healthcare right now. Are they THAT pissed that obama is trying to change it? Now, most peope in 94 DID own guns... so yeah, that affected them much more.
Just look at the agenda:
Health Takeowcer
Amensty for Illegals
Climarte Bill
it never freaking ends with this garbage admn.
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wait, you want to change it from political reality - to how much his agenda sucks?
Nobody on this thread is defending his agenda. My point was that joe Blow cares way more about the gun on his hip than he does about healthcare he doesn't have, or a climate bill that confuses him.
More people care more about their facebook status, than they do about the 2010 elections.
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wait, you want to change it from political reality - to how much his agenda sucks?
Nobody on this thread is defending his agenda. My point was that joe Blow cares way more about the gun on his hip than he does about healthcare he doesn't have, or a climate bill that confuses him.
More people care more about their facebook status, than they do about the 2010 elections.
WRONG!!!!People are in an uproar over spending and the expansion of government.The bottom line is this,liberal New Jersey went republican and a republican won Ted Kennedys seat.Id say that alone shows the utter absolute disdain this country has for Obamas agenda.
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I'm serious, how on earth does anyone, other than 240 of course, believe this liar?
same as you believe the liars, Palin and Limbaugh
In the long run it is perfectly sane to have everyone on some kind of plan....this way the government doesn't wind up paying for expensive care for those who have chronic illnesses and showing up at emergency rooms....
why can't you see that???????????????????????????..it saves you and I a ton of money you fool!...the insurance companies will have to foot the bills instead of the government...we will go broke if we keep paying for the healthcare of those who are not insured.....
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I don't see Obama getting re-elected. He lost so many independents and swing voters who thought he would be a uniter and a moderate. Instead we get a hardball administration, nominees with ethics & tax violations, expanding entitlements and hard pushes on several far left progressive ideas.
If the republicans can nominate someone that is likeable with decent experience, they will win. I would bet a lot of $ that if the election were held this November that Romney would beat Obama. I think Obama has lost too many people who voted for him and expected something different.
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i am sure we are just seeing the tip of the ice burg when it comes to bammers hypocracy, come march 18 pass or no pass i bet he will surpass all that has occured up to this point
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same as you believe the liars, Palin and Limbaugh
In the long run it is perfectly sane to have everyone on some kind of plan....this way the government doesn't wind up paying for expensive care for those who have chronic illnesses and showing up at emergency rooms....
why can't you see that???????????????????????????..it saves you and I a ton of money you fool!...the insurance companies will have to foot the bills instead of the government...we will go broke if we keep paying for the healthcare of those who are not insured.....
1. Palin & Limbaugh are both entertainers at this point and are not trying to force me to buy anything via IRS penalty.
2. I dont care if its sane, insane, no brain, whtaever, the govt has no businesses forcing me to purchase a private product from an insurance carrier under force of irs penalty just for the privlege of living. That is utter garbage.
3. Most of the people showing up soley at the ER are illegal aliens who need to be deported anyway.
4. How does spending trillions save money?
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same as you believe the liars, Palin and Limbaugh
In the long run it is perfectly sane to have everyone on some kind of plan....this way the government doesn't wind up paying for expensive care for those who have chronic illnesses and showing up at emergency rooms....
why can't you see that???????????????????????????..it saves you and I a ton of money you fool!...the insurance companies will have to foot the bills instead of the government...we will go broke if we keep paying for the healthcare of those who are not insured.....
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Name a Limbaugh lie please.
This bill does NOTHING to lower costs!!!!!!!As Paul Ryan proved when he DESTROYED OBAMA IN THE HEALTH CARE DEBATE.
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Even DU gets it on this? Obama can rot in hell for al i care.
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If Private Health Insurance Companies Are Evil, Why Are You Forcing Me to Be a Customer?
Edited on Tue Mar-09-10 10:43 PM by t0dd
A big part of the final push for this health care reform effort is focused on how terrible the private insurance companies are. On the White House blog, communications director Dan Pfeiffer is attacking the huge premium increases and monopoly power of some private insurers. HCAN is doing a “mass citizens’ arrest of the insurance companies.” On the stump, President Obama is hitting the terrible practices of the private insurance corporations hard. From Washington Post:
Obama and his health secretary staged a two-pronged attack Monday in a stern letter to health insurance chief executives and a speech in which the president castigated insurance companies 22 times. “How much higher do premiums have to rise,” he demanded, “before we do something about it?”
The messages are part of a strategy that Obama and those around him have begun to employ lately, to ratchet up the pace and the populist appeal of their rhetoric against the health insurance industry. The barbed tone moves far beyond that of the 2008 presidential campaign, when Obama began to say that medical coverage should be accessible and affordable for more Americans.
I agree with the message. I can’t decide if I dislike the industry more for its morally reprehensible practices or its bloated, inefficient, and completely unnecessary nature. Attacking the private insurers is smart politics and should have been done months ago.
The big problem is that the messaging is incompatible with pushing for Obama’s official health care proposal. That program will use the IRS to force Americans to buy insurance from the same, terrible, private insurance industry everyone is now rallying against.
If the private insurance industry is so evil, why would you ever possibly force me to be their customer?
The messaging would make sense of Obama were pushing for a Medicare-for-all system that would completely marginalize or eliminate the private insurers. It would make sense even if the bill only had a simple public alternative, like a public option or Medicare buy-in. I could understand the message even if the bill had a broad state waiver provision that would allow for states to possibly create single payer plans. I might even except the messaging if Obama was pushing for what Switzerland did by forcing all private health insurance companies to become highly regulated non-profits. It might even be accepting if there were only the new consumer protections but no individual mandate.
The issue is that Obama’s health care proposals don’t do any of those things. It places a few good, new regulations on the private insurance companies (which will probably see a very spotty record of enforcement because that function is left up to the states), but it will now force you to buy insurance from these same, terrible, private insurance companies Obama is now attacking, or you face a fine.
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/03/09/if-private-...
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"WRONG!!!!People are in an uproar over spending and the expansion of government."
Um.... how many people? Gallup still has him at 48%. He's been between 48 and 51 for the last 4 months now.
Some ppl are upset, but if you asked the normal jackass on the street to list 5 Obama policies they disagree with, um...
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I guess you know very well what the jackass vote is thinking.
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333..even a racist idiot like yourself knows that its mostly U.S, citizens who are showing up at hospital emergency rooms...u hate Obama so much you are making stuff up to make him look bad..be objective
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333..even a racist idiot like yourself knows that its mostly U.S, citizens who are showing up at hospital emergency rooms...u hate Obama so much you are making stuff up to make him look bad..be objective
Ever hear about United Hospital in Pt. Chester?
Yes, I do hate Obama. He is a marxist progressive and I hate marxists with a passion of all stripes.
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when did racism take on a new definition, i thought i was hatred of a person based soley on skin color? I hate bammer cause of him socialist policies, the lieing and the communists he supports and surrounds himself with, the idea of big government and more gov power. i am racist too?
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when did racism take on a new definition, i thought i was hatred of a person based soley on skin color? I hate bammer cause of him socialist policies, the lieing and the communists he supports and surrounds himself with, the idea of big government and more gov power. i am racist too?
Yes, anyone opposing MAObama is a racist.
Welcome to George Orwells' vision come to full fruition.
When you cant defend a damn thing this dictator wannabe does, cry racism.
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well, to be fair, anyone who 'questioned a sitting american president during wartime' was unpatriotic from 2001 until 2008.
I think both parties use this kinda BS to keep their guy from being attacked. Remember how unpatriotic it was to question WMD or request an investigation into 911? That shit should have been common sense. instead, it was 'if you want the facts, you aren't with the prez - youre with the terrorists'.
sack the fvck up. It was stupid crybaby shit during bush, and it's stupid crybaby shit under obama. It's a free country and you can have any opinion you want about the prez.
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well, to be fair, anyone who 'questioned a sitting american president during wartime' was unpatriotic from 2001 until 2008.
I think both parties use this kinda BS to keep their guy from being attacked. Remember how unpatriotic it was to question WMD or request an investigation into 911? That shit should have been common sense. instead, it was 'if you want the facts, you aren't with the prez - youre with the terrorists'.
sack the fvck up. It was stupid crybaby shit during bush, and it's stupid crybaby shit under obama. It's a free country and you can have any opinion you want about the prez.
This is about health care not bush, and the difference is that everyone thoughty saddam had WMD and Saddam did nothing to contradict those beliefs.
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Ever hear about United Hospital in Pt. Chester?
Yes, I do hate Obama. He is a marxist progressive and I hate marxists with a passion of all stripes.
This why we can't have decent honest debate because of right wing demogoguery.....Obama is not a Marxist..come on...tone it down
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Demagoguery you mean?
Do you even know what that word means?
Actually, do you know what any of the words in the second sentence of 333's last post mean except for the following: Yes, I, do, hate, he, is, a, with, of, all, stripes?
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This is about health care not bush, and the difference is that everyone thoughty saddam had WMD and Saddam did nothing to contradict those beliefs.
I thought he allowed UN inspectors to search his entire country for them.
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Do you *really* think I believe whatever Obama says?
Yes
Really?
Yes
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Doison= doesn't post on this board nearly enough
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lol
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Yes
Yes
;D ;D ;D ;D
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I'm serious, how can people be this gullible and stupid to believe Obama any politician on anything at this point?
Fixed
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Fair enough, but he and his party are in control right now and passing the laws, policies, and programs so they get the microsope put on them right now.
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Fair enough, but he and his party are in control right now and passing the laws, policies, and programs so they get the microsope put on them right now.
Cool, as long as we are consistent I'm all for bashing the current political heroes.
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Cool, as long as we are consistent I'm all for bashing the current political heroes.
when the GOP takes over the congress, I will trash them eqwually if they pursue suicidal policies.
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when the GOP takes over the congress, I will trash them eqwually if they pursue suicidal policies.
no you won't
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no you won't
I will if they pursue policies that are suicidal like Barry has.
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I will if they pursue policies that are suicidal like Barry has.
If history proves right, they will....
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If history proves right, they will....
Sad but true, but I am praying for total gridlock and chaos.
In my mind, if we can get both parties to just engage in a 2 year food fight, we will be far better off.
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Sad but true, but I am praying for total gridlock and chaos.
In my mind, if we can get both parties to just engage in a 2 year food fight, we will be far better off.
It's sad, but Americans are better off when their Govt Leaders don't do anything...
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Obama: We Can Afford Failed $814 Billion “Stimulus,” But Not $700 Billion Tax Relief?
CFIF blog ^ | September 16 2010 | Timothy H Lee
Posted on Friday, September 17, 2010 1:42:19 PM by RicocheT
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“Nobody spends somebody else’s money as wisely as he spends his own.”
~Milton Friedman
What the Obama Administration lacks in logic, it surfeits in raw chutzpah.
According to Obama, America just can’t afford $700 billion in additional tax relief. After all, flipping Friedman’s wisdom on its head, the federal government allegedly spends that money more wisely than the people and small businesses that actually earned it.
Meanwhile, the White House considers perfectly affordable a failed $800 billion “stimulus,” another new round of “mini-stimulus” on top of that, as well as trillions more for ObamaCare, auto bailouts, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bailouts and unprecedented levels of discretionary spending.
Speaking in Cleveland, Ohio, Obama lectured suffering Americans that “we can’t afford the $700 billion price tag” of fully extending the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. No, that would simply allow small businesses and individuals in upper income brackets to keep more of their own earnings to hire, spend and invest as they see fit.
Adding to Obama’s chorus of farce, his Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner rationalized that America must raise income taxes because we don’t possess “unlimited resources”:
“We don’t have unlimited resources. We just don’t think it would be responsible for this country, given the size of our future deficits, and given the substantial burden the middle class has been bearing over the past decade in particular, to go out and borrow $700 billion from our children so we can sustain those Bush tax cuts that only go to the wealthiest 2% of Americans.”
But during the same interview, Geithner advocated a new round of “stimulus” spending on top of the failed $814 billion package the Obama Administration signed in February 2009:
“If the government does nothing going forward, then the impact of policy in Washington will shift from supporting economic growth to hurting economic growth.”
Earth to Geithner: We don’t “go out and borrow” by allowing people to keep their own income, we “go out and borrow” to pay for your administration’s unprecedented spending binge.
Regardless, the Obama Administration’s modus operandi amounts to irresponsibly generating record levels of spending and debt, then turning around, pleading poverty and using those same new spending and debt levels to justify the higher taxes that it demands. It’s like a spoiled teenager going on a shopping binge at the mall, then using the ensuing credit card bill to demand a higher allowance.
Economists, however, aren’t buying what the Obama Administration is trying to sell. In a survey conducted by The Wall Street Journal, a 3-to-1 majority answered “no” when asked, “Should Congress and the President adopt another significant fiscal stimulus soon?” Moreover, economists by a 32-14 margin favor extending the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for all income brackets, not just those earning under $250,000 per year as Obama proposes.
Despite that overwhelming consensus, Obama continues his bizarre habit of alleging that “most economists” support his economic agenda. Americans can decide for themselves whether that reflects dishonesty or mere cluelessness.
Either way, the Obama Administration’s cognitive dissonance doesn’t stop there. While Obama claims that America “cannot afford the $700 price tag” of tax relief for individuals and small businesses in upper income brackets, he simultaneously advocates $3 trillion of tax relief for middle-income Americans by extending the 2001 and 2003 tax rates for them. How is $3 trillion affordable to Obama if $700 billion isn’t?
Furthermore, haven’t Obama and liberals told us for almost a decade now that Bush only cut taxes for “the rich?” The White House claims that “continuing the middle-class tax cuts from 2001 and 2003 is so important,” but how is that possible if Bush only cut taxes for wealthier Americans?
Such are the intellectual contortions that characterize the Age of Obama.
National Review commentator Mark Steyn observed that “the election of Barack Obama was a fundamentally unserious act by the American electorate.” With each passing day and each passing policy debate, Obama seems to reciprocate that unseriousness. It’s now up to voters to deliver their rejoinder in November.
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Every day we have Obama screaming about health insurance companies and all the nasty things they do. Yesterday he took off his jacket and took a posture of someone getting ready for a fist fight.
He went on a littany of all the "evil" things they supposedly do to the point he practically lost his voice.
YET YET YET YET YET
ObamaCare, for the first time in history, requires us all to purchase PRIVATE health insurance from these very same companies he is screaming about every day under IRS penalty and enforcement.
AM I MISSING SOMETHING OR IS THIS PERHAPS THE MOST HYPOCRITIAL THING THIS FOOL HAS DONE YET?
BUMP FOR STRAW
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I never understood why there was not just a public option... Why couldn't you just add people to medicare or whatever if they wanted to join?