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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Matt C on March 10, 2010, 04:44:52 PM
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Probably behind Dorian .... ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Probably behind Dorian .... ::) ::) ::) ::)
ND's list:
1. Dorian
2. Arnold
3. Samir
4. Frank Zane
Then everyone else. ::)
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why was arnold posing with an errection.
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why was arnold posing with an errection.
That is the first thing you see when Arnold is posing?? ??? :o
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why was arnold posing with an errection.
Yes.
A dude in Arnold's encyclopedia was too. At least in the edition I bought in 1999.
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with his legs and proportions quite low :(
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:o
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Arnold would be the guy with a lot of buzz and potential due to his amazing structure. The upper body is still pro caliber, with the exception of his back lacking some thickness, esp. back double bi pose. Thighs obviously need more mass.
He would of addressed these issues by taking the same drugs as they all do now, lose his vacuum pose, and become a similar looking bloated giant of a monstrosity :P.
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ND's list:
1. Dorian
2. Arnold
3. Samir
4. Frank Zane
Then everyone else. ::)
no he sucks haney's dick sometimes too :-X
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no he sucks haney's dick sometimes too :-X
Well said!
I laugh when people like ND claim that Arnold would still dominate! ;D He wouldn't even be able to win the Nationals!
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Well said!
I laugh when people like ND claim that Arnold would still dominate! ;D He wouldn't even be able to win the Nationals!
dont forget that ND was the same kid who said that nasser was wrong to play the size game because his structure didnt fit to be a mass monster and said also that dorian and dillet were better than nasser in the FDB pose ::)
the guy really knows nothing in bb except dorian's dick ;D
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dont forget that ND was the same kid who said that nasser was wrong to play the size game because his structure didnt fit to be a mass monster and said also that dorian and dillet were better than nasser in the FDB pose ::)
the guy really knows nothing in bb except dorian's dick ;D
ND also said that Frank Zane was the better overall bodybuilder than Shawn Ray!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Who gives a shit, he looks ten times better. On all of the current drugs, he would be a monstrosity too, only one with width and height.
"In the land of the midgets, the non vertically challenged guy is king".
Fucked quote up. Reply to Matt.
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ND also said that Frank Zane was the better overall bodybuilder than Shawn Ray!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ND also said that fux was a mr. olympia material and that he had a small waist!!..
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ND is busy scanning right now for this thread and arguing with Hulkster on the phone, I'm sure he will have something shortly. Arnold is still the best Mr O my take.
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ND also said that to win a bb show you MUST have good symmetry and proportion but still he "understood" why the judges gave the mr. olympia title to dorian in 97 ::).. really contradiction at its worst!..
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ND is busy scanning right now for this thread and arguing with Hulkster on the phone, I'm sure he will have something shortly. Arnold is still the best Mr O my take.
you are right ND still has a lot of unscanned nasser pics in his old magazines so i have to stop saying shit about him till he posts them ;D..
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How on earth could anyone say that Dorian's best beats Ronnie's best? ???
The injuries alone put Dorian out of the running! As for an uninjured 1993 Yates, Ronnie in 2003 would have outweighed him by 30 pounds with a smaller waist. Dorian's superior hardness would not have made up for Ronnie's size advantage. I really don't understand why this is so difficult to grasp.
Yet ND would probably put Arnold ahead of both of them. ???
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If we use his 1970s physique, then he wouldn't place at all....his legs and shoulders don't equal even that of a National competitor...a guy like Cedric McMillan would have beaten Arnold, judged by today's standards....
However, had Arnold had the drugs of today and trained in the contemporary environment, I think he would of had a fantastic physique.....I think jean pierre fux is a very good example of what Arnold would have looked like......and the gut would have come with it
But you know, at the end of the day, f'ck it and f'ck this thread
The way he was, was perfect....brilliant.... everything he had was built around the simplicity of anabolic steriods and the barbell and dumbell.....no creepy slin or mutant GH and all that shit...no over-reliance on rubbish exercises (yes, I'm saying some pros train like crap...all drugs!, hello PACO!!!) and machines....Arnold had a fantastic appreciation of the deadlift, bench press, chin, squat dips, etc.....and he knew the right bio-mechanics.....he was a very intelligent lifter.....that's why his body was so well put together.....and the fact that he had over-developed biceps and chest only added to his mystique and uniqueness....the man was a pioneer in both physique and selling his soul to get to the stop....god damn and god bless him I guess
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Who gives a shit, he looks ten times better. On all of the current drugs, he would be a monstrosity too, only one with width and height.
"In the land of the midgets, the non vertically challenged guy is king".
Fucked quote up. Reply to Matt.
Nope, he'd look just like Gunter...wide waist, but would have sloping shoulders.
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Arnold could not even enter at a national level contest
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Nope, he'd look just like Gunter...wide waist, but would have sloping shoulders.
no man not to that extent, yes he would not be mr. olympia but would look much better than one of the most overrated bbs like gunter!!.. much better arms, chest, calves and over all shape..
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dont forget that ND was the same kid who said that nasser was wrong to play the size game because his structure didnt fit to be a mass monster and said also that dorian and dillet were better than nasser in the FDB pose ::)
the guy really knows nothing in bb except dorian's dick ;D
I never said that , I said he carried his mass very well but he shouldn't have played the mass game because his conditioning suffered for it as did his back which was good at one point , he's the only pro with a good back then made it worse and then tried to get it back and never could
and at their best both of them beat Nasser in the front double biceps shot absolutely
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I never said that , I said he carried his mass very well but he shouldn't have played the mass game because his conditioning suffered for it as did his back which was good at one point , he's the only pro with a good back then made it worse and then tried to get it back and never could
and at their best both of them beat Nasser in the front double biceps shot absolutely
yes ND yes yes sure all what you are saying is right, you are a great expert and i cant speak after you... now go ahead and scan some old nasser pics and post here ;D :P :-X
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ND also said that fux was a mr. olympia material and that he had a small waist!!..
See I'm not sure if you have an ability to comprehend the English language , I said he had a narrow waist NOT small learn the difference and shall I post the quotes from all the competitors who at the time were saying he had Mr Olympia potential?
There is a vast difference between having the potential to be Mr Olympia and winning it , you being a Nasser fan should know this ;)
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See I'm not sure if you have an ability to comprehend the English language , I said he had a narrow waist NOT small learn the difference and shall I post the quotes from all the competitors who at the time were saying he had Mr Olympia potential?
There is a vast difference between having the potential to be Mr Olympia and winning it , you being a Nasser fan should know this ;)
sure sure fux was a mr. olympia material, i cant understand why the fukin judges didnt him the title!!.. really big injustice... happy now??.. so gop ahead and post some nasser pics from your old magazines..
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ND also said that to win a bb show you MUST have good symmetry and proportion but still he "understood" why the judges gave the mr. olympia title to dorian in 97 ::).. really contradiction at its worst!..
I said balance & proportion , see now you keep mis-quoting me , I rarely use the word symmetry because it means a lot more than what you think and everyone has different meanings for it
you also need a back to win the big one but torn biceps and triceps are bad but NO back what so ever is acceptable , hypocrite much?
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He looks better than any of the sacks of shits competing today
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sure sure fux was a mr. olympia material, i cant understand why the fukin judges didnt him the title!!.. really big injustice... happy now??.. so gop ahead and post some nasser pics from your old magazines..
NO injustice I never said he should have won just he had all the right tools to win , you're not paying attention.
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I said balance & proportion , see now you keep mis-quoting me , I rarely use the word symmetry because it means a lot more than what you think and everyone has different meanings for it yates was not symmetrical..
you also need a back to win the big one but torn biceps and triceps are bad but NO back what so ever is acceptable , hypocrite much?
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i understand what symmetry means in bb but yates didnt have it especially in 1997 according to both meanings.. his left was not symmetrical with his right (actually his left arm was not there at all) and also his diff. parts were not symmetrical with each other, huge back that dominated his whole physique.. if you excluded his back in 1997 you would see an average chest, very bad waist, smaller shoulders than most of the other guys, small right arm, missing left arm, undefined torn quads, and great calves!!..
where is the symmetry here?..
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no man not to that extent, yes he would not be mr. olympia but would look much better than one of the most overrated bbs like gunter!!.. much better arms, chest, calves and over all shape..
No, Arnold would look almost like a carbon copy of Gunter. Arnold had a wide waist, even he said he did, and thias wny he did on the twisting shots. If you look at him straight on, his waist was wide, just like Gundter's is. Both are aproximately the same hieght, so if Arnold was to weigh the same as Gunter, 290-300 pounds, he'd have the same lines...The reason why Arnold good decent, was because he was relatively light.
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I pretty much have to agree with Parker on this. I think Arnold wouldn't have looked that great with the drug regime of today's pros. At least, not good enough to carry the needed mass to win. Guys like Dorian or Ronnie had the strcture from the get go where they could still get away with bloated guts thanks to width, thickness and monster backs as well as thighs which weren't tiny looking compared to the upper bdy (in Ronnie's case, huge thighs even but with small calves).
Arnold's physique, though much more aesthetic then anything we see today, wouldn't even get him a pro card.
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No, Arnold would look almost like a carbon copy of Gunter. Arnold had a wide waist, even he said he did, and thias wny he did on the twisting shots. If you look at him straight on, his waist was wide, just like Gundter's is. Both are aproximately the same hieght, so if Arnold was to weigh the same as Gunter, 290-300 pounds, he'd have the same lines...The reason why Arnold good decent, was because he was relatively light.
i am not saying arnold was a perfect bb or his waist was small but shape wise in nearly all parts he was much better than gunter!!.. gunter had bad shaped quads and no calves and there is no need to talk more about his unbalanced upper body.. arnold's over all shape was superior, his back, quads, calves and of course biceps and chest!..
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He looks better than any of the sacks of shits competing today
X2 Will.
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i am not saying arnold was a perfect bb or his waist was small but shape wise in nearly all parts he was much better than gunter!!.. gunter had bad shaped quads and no calves and there is no need to talk more about his unbalanced upper body.. arnold's over all shape was superior, his back, quads, calves and of course biceps and chest!..
C'mon, Sherief, Arnold looked great because there was a great flow to his physique but in detail he wasn't a master of proportions either, pretty much like Haney somehow (though I think better than Gunter who was a lot of hype). Arnold was all chest and arms (and even his bis tended to oversahdow his triceps which were very good though). Delts always looked small compared to that chest, his quads were, except in '73, looking ridiculously undevelopped with big calves instead. Actually, he looked more balanced from the back even though the wow factor was clearly the upper front body.
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C'mon, Sherief, Arnold looked great because there was a great flow to his physique but in detail he wasn't a master of proportions either, pretty much like Haney somehow (though I think better than Gunter who was a lot of hype). Arnold was all chest and arms (and even his bis tended to oversahdow his triceps which were very good though). Delts always looked small compared to that chest, his quads were, except in '73, looking ridiculously undevelopped with big calves instead. Actually, he looked more balanced from the back even though the wow factor was clearly the upper front body.
i agree with you morta and by the way i was never a fan of arnold physique.. i said clearly he would never be mr. olympia now or even in the 80s or the 90s (with the updated drugs) but i was just replying to paker's comment that he would be just the same as gunter!!.. no way in my opinion!..
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You sure Arnie wouldn`t win a national contest. ::)
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You sure Arnie wouldn`t win a national contest. ::)
colombo looks jealous in this pic. ;D
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Both Arnold and Sergio Oliva today would be on top just like then.Sergios genetics would destroy a Ronnie Coleman and Arnolds hard work and attitude would also destroy someone like Jay Cutler ;D No argument needed
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I pretty much have to agree with Parker on this. I think Arnold wouldn't have looked that great with the drug regime of today's pros. At least, not good enough to carry the needed mass to win. Guys like Dorian or Ronnie had the strcture from the get go where they could still get away with bloated guts thanks to width, thickness and monster backs as well as thighs which weren't tiny looking compared to the upper bdy (in Ronnie's case, huge thighs even but with small calves).
Arnold's physique, though much more aesthetic then anything we see today, wouldn't even get him a pro card.
Neither Dorian or Ronnie were structurally wide. I am not a huge Arnold fan but he has a larger frame than both, he had structural deficiencies but so did they. He would be a more gifted version of Gunter.
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Arnold would have done exactly what he did in the 60's & 70's...he'd probably train the same, and he would have the same dedication.
The one thing that overrides all of what a majority of you are saying; Arnold would do whatever it took/takes to get to the top. If he had to use Slin, GH or monkey feces in order to best Ronnie & Jay...then he would have. Arnold did what he had to to win. And if he were to compete today, he would still win. He would have legs that are bigger, probably even have a few Synthol injections too....because in today's fucked up judging standards, that's what is needed in order to win.
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ND's list:
1. Dorian
2. Arnold
3. Samir
4. Frank Zane
Then everyone else. ::)
What's funny is you asked a question and refused to wait for an answer then just made up your own which goes to show you're not interested in an answer you're just interested in trolling.
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How on earth could anyone say that Dorian's best beats Ronnie's best? ???
The injuries alone put Dorian out of the running! As for an uninjured 1993 Yates, Ronnie in 2003 would have outweighed him by 30 pounds with a smaller waist. Dorian's superior hardness would not have made up for Ronnie's size advantage. I really don't understand why this is so difficult to grasp.
Yet ND would probably put Arnold ahead of both of them. ???
So we're getting to your real point Dorian V Ronnie , and Arnold was just a ploy to get your real topic which proves my point you're just trolling and not interested in any discussion.
for the record Dorian and Ronnie would beat Arnold in a contest but when all things are considered Arnold is a better bodybuilder than both of them
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You sure Arnie wouldn`t win a national contest. ::)
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I'm quite confident he could not take the Super-Heavyweight class which he would be in. I do think he would be able to qualify for the Nationals and compete, but not win.
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Arnold would have done exactly what he did in the 60's & 70's...he'd probably train the same, and he would have the same dedication.
The one thing that overrides all of what a majority of you are saying; Arnold would do whatever it took/takes to get to the top. If he had to use Slin, GH or monkey feces in order to best Ronnie & Jay...then he would have. Arnold did what he had to to win. And if he were to compete today, he would still win. He would have legs that are bigger, probably even have a few Synthol injections too....because in today's fucked up judging standards, that's what is needed in order to win.
Yup....Arnold was a fucking lunatic when it came to training.
If the requirement was to have crazy quads, you know damn well Arnold would kill himself until he had crazy quads, they looked good in 73, so it's not like the muscle wasn't there.
Plus if Arnold were training and competing today, he'd be overall bigger than he was just because of the drugs now. Do you guys think that the human race has somehow evolved over the last 30 years and we are all so much more muscular and bigger?
It's the drugs...period. And he'd be taking the same exact ones.
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I think it's safe to say that Arnold would be about Gunter's size today, at best, maintaining his lines. That means it's possible that Arnold could have done better than Gunter's all-time best placing of fourth at the 2005 Mr. Olympia - although Dexter did not compete that year. So to say that Arnold would be top five if he competed today and consumed the products that are out today is an objectively fair statement I believe. But to say he would still win - that I disagree with.
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I think it's safe to say that Arnold would be about Gunter's size today, at best, maintaining his lines. That means it's possible that Arnold could have done better than Gunter's all-time best placing of fourth at the 2005 Mr. Olympia - although Dexter did not compete that year. So to say that Arnold would be top five if he competed today and consumed the products that are out today is an objectively fair statement I believe. But to say he would still win - that I disagree with.
I can agree with that.....a lot more competitors now than there were in the 70's, much tougher field.
But no one really KNOWS for sure, the guy did have a great build....Far better lines than Gunther
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I can agree with that.....a lot more competitors now than there were in the 70's, much tougher field.
But no one really KNOWS for sure, the guy did have a great build....Far better lines than Gunther
Yes, better lines. In many ways, they were the same - both were the same height and mass monsters. Arnold was the better posing which is another reason he looked more aesthetics - not just Arnold's aesthetics, but his ability to present them played a big role.
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Can someone post big Lou's 1991(I think) Olympia photo? I can't find it...
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Can someone post big Lou's 1991(I think) Olympia photo? I can't find it...
ND will have it
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LMFAO! Hey ND, looks like you've gotten into a few people's heads the way they are coming after you.
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LMFAO! Hey ND, looks like you've gotten into a few people's heads the way they are coming after you.
Hehehehehehe the funny part is they're attacking me for shit I never said , they draw their own conclusions and are arguing points I never made ???
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Hehehehehehe the funny part is they're attacking me for shit I never said , they draw their own conclusions and are arguing points I never made ???
Just think Hulkster hasnt even joined in yet. ;D
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Just think Hulkster hasnt even joined in yet. ;D
He ran from me , he's scared ;D
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A lot of you people overlook what brought Arnold to the forefront in the first place; his overwhelming charisma.
He would still be dominating today, with his dedication, posing, and most importantly his ability to transcend any flaws in his physique, via his gregarious personality. There is more to bodybuilding then just your physique, it is also the ability to sell your act.
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You guys remember that Arnold stopped when he was 28 ....most of these dudes turn pro well into their 30's, Coleman was in his 40s ....Bob turned pro in his 40s but thats diff. ::) ::) ::)
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This is how Arnold would handle the midgets of today.
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You guys remember that Arnold stopped when he was 28 ....most of these dudes turn pro well into their 30's, Coleman was in his 40s ....Bob turned pro in his 40s but thats diff. ::) ::) ::)
are you sure coleman was in his 40s when he turned bro.? ::)
fyi the guy won his first olympia in 98 when he was 34 or 35!!.. i didnt know they allow armatures to compete at the olympia? :-X
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this mans response to aas & other compounds along with training and a very serious work ethic, was unbelievable!
in the above pic look at the development and shape in that right arm. he was able to bounce from skinny arms(for him) back to that in weeks!
IMO, in todays enviroment, Arnie would have still been king, that waistline woulda been bigger, but no Fux big.
Im not saying he wouldve dominated the O, but he wouldve been a force.
And he was always one step ahead, if he sensed he couldnt cut it, or not for long, he always had a back up plan.
We need another charismatic, big personality in bbing! How much personality and magnetism do Jay & Dorian have? Ronnie was more outgoing but not a Shawn Ray kind of outspoken. And Dex wasnt a big self promoter...
The solution to this is clone the fucker (arnold)
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I know the caption is suppose to come across as if Arnold is talking but it looks like a ghostwriter wrote that. Arnold looks too massive to suggest that's before he won the 1975 Mr. Olympia.
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he would win , no doubt
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he would win , no doubt
Hi Arnold.
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Try to imagine Arnold with today gear and chemicals, while he has his just about perfect structure and ability to train with flawless range of motion in every exercise you can name of, and bunch more. He was a wise trainer, he has good knowledge about the human muscles and how they work, so he could be still one of the greatest.