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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: enerlevel on March 11, 2010, 09:10:48 AM
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hi all ,
i have been jogging and dieting a little since 3 months. but my weight and cutup seems to be still the same. even my weight is the same.
now, i am sightly inclined towards using fat burners ..... how safe are these? do they really work?
and also i have heard about diabol tablets.... are these steroids? again , if i keep a low dosage on them (1 tablet every two days) will i be able to see improvments without side effects? thanks.
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20 minutes before you run, try some bronkaid, T3 or Lipo 6 black..I'd suggest 5 weeks on then two or three weeks off..
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Fatburners in general are very safe as long as you follow the receommended dosage and dont take them for too long. You need to cycle off of them or they can become dangerous or inefective. Some fatburners definately do work as long as your nutrition and exercise program are sound. But, as in virtually all areas of the supplement industry, a lot of fatburners are probably ripoffs.
The only fatburner I have taken is Lean System 7. It worked extremely well for me.
Ofcourse, I always recommend to first get into the habit of taking your vitamins and minerals everyday, making sure you are eating 5 or 6 small deals a day, getting in your essential fatty acid oil, getting your antioxidants and creatine and glutamine everyday before you start talking a fatburner. Its better to get into the habit of taking the supplements that you can and should be taking every single day. Because fatburners cant be taken all the time.
Also, I would recommend waiting until you get to what you think your ideal waiste size is before you start taking a fat burner. Save the fat burner for when you really need it. Its relataively easy to lose enough fat to get down to your ideal waste size, but losing fat after that starts to become a real bitch.
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is vaso pro still on the market?
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20 minutes before you run, try some bronkaid, T3 or Lipo 6 black..I'd suggest 5 weeks on then two or three weeks off..
Someone who's as new to thermogenics as the OP probably shouldn't start with something as strong as E/C.
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hi all ,
i have been jogging and dieting a little since 3 months..
Impressive.. I didn't really start working out until I was 19..
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hi all ,
i have been jogging and dieting a little since 3 months. but my weight and cutup seems to be still the same. even my weight is the same.
now, i am sightly inclined towards using fat burners ..... how safe are these? do they really work?
and also i have heard about diabol tablets.... are these steroids? again , if i keep a low dosage on them (1 tablet every two days) will i be able to see improvments without side effects? thanks.
depends...how often do you masturbate?
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Safe or not, completely unnecessary.
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i am alergic to drugs like asprin , disprin , penencilin etc .... so is it safe to take fat burners?
depends...how often do you masturbate?
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wats this got to do with taking fat burners.. or being ripped.
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i am alergic to drugs like asprin , disprin , penencilin etc .... so is it safe to take fat burners?
wats this got to do with taking fat burners.. or being ripped.
you gotta keep those test levels high.....you should be doing it atleast 7 times a day...
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Someone who's as new to thermogenics as the OP probably shouldn't start with something as strong as E/C.
Someone gave me 20 dnp pills, ughhhhhhh couldn't stand it, made me sweat, even if I was watching tv
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Someone gave me 20 dnp pills, ughhhhhhh couldn't stand it, made me sweat, even if I was watching tv
Are you nuts ::) ??? Do you have any idea what that is?
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Are you nuts ::) ??? Do you have any idea what that is?
100% awesome is what it is 8)
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100% awesome is what it is 8)
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We already know you're crazy ;)
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We already know you're crazy ;)
i wouldnt take it...that shit is insane....the only reason i would take it is because i hear it makes your semen bright yellow 8)
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Are you nuts ::) ??? Do you have any idea what that is?
um yup tried it twice...hated the way it made me sweat so I gave them to a meathead at the gym
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Someone gave me 20 dnp pills, ughhhhhhh couldn't stand it, made me sweat, even if I was watching tv
Are you nuts ::) ??? Do you have any idea what that is?
um yup tried it twice...hated the way it made me sweat so I gave them to a meathead at the gym
The fact that you were willing to try it obviously with the intent of using it speaks volumes. You obsessively over-exercise (and most would agree – incorrectly) twice a day, consistently take all sorts of “fat-burners” and other substances that will eventually, if not already, surly screw up your endocrine system. And from the sounds of your posts, you under eat. You are setting yourself up for osteopenia/osteoperosis, heart irregularities, and amenorrhea.
It’s all great and wonderful you’ve lost all that weight, don’t get me wrong. But you have traded one obsession/compulsion for anther and gone overboard. Neither one is healthy. Perhaps you don’t care about your health, perhaps it’s all vanity, but I seriously doubt it.
This requires professional help. I’m not saying this to be mean, but seriously, please get some help. The fact that you were/are willing to risk leaving your daughter without a mother strongly suggests you need it.
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What is dnp?
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What is dnp?
http://www.fitflex.com/dnpfacts.html
The Good
Want to lose some weight? How about half a pound of fat a day, without dieting or doing cardio? What if the fat loss occurred primarily around your hips and waist? That's what dinitrophenol, or DNP, can do for you. It's for real and it works. But oh, I forgot - it can also kill you.
DNP has been used as a dye, pesticide, explosive, wood preservative and metabolic inhibitor; the latter is an agent that stops the hotly from producing adenosine triphosphate (AlP). The food you eat, your own body fat and muscle can all he broken down, absorbed and converted into ATP. ATP then provides energy for your muscles to perform work. When DNP stunts the body's ability to make ATP, the body compensates by converting more fat into ATP, and voila, you lose weight fast. The reason you lose fat so fast is because your metabolism is increased 1w up to 50% or more. That means if you normally burn 2,000 calories a day, you'll burn 3,001) calories while taking DNP, and most of the fat loss occurs around the hips and abdomen. We aren't even talking about restricting calories or exercising! DNP can also improve certain disorders like hypertension.
The Bad
So if it works so well, why isn't everyone using DNP? To answer that, let's backtrack to World War I. French monitions workers manufactured DNP for use as an explosive From 1916-1918, 36 deaths were attributed to DNP exposure in munitions factories; the workers were absorbing it through their skin and lungs, and levels of this chemical got so high in their bodies that they died. Some of them died from fevers as high as 115 degrees F. Now here's the really freaky stuff, When some of these people were examined, their bode temperatures continued to increase although they were cleat!! Their autopsies revealed that they had almost no body fat.
Well along come the 1930s and some U.S. physicians decide to give DNP a try for weight loss. Their rationale was that since DNP induces such massive fat loss, perhaps in a controlled environment it would he beneficial in treating obesity. It began to grow popular and by 1934 more than 20) wholesale drug firms rnarketed DNP. Its use spread to Canada, Great Britain. France, Sweden, Italy and Austria. Then reports started coming in of side effects edema (swelling), joint stiffness and pain, headaches, dizziness, vomiting, fever, skin lesions and skin rashes. Then, around 1933-l935, death reports started appearing in the Journal of the American Medical Association and other medical journals. The problems were occurring at normal dosages; some people didn't lose weight at those doses and, even worse, others died. DNP was prescribed at dosages of 3-5 mg per 2.2 pounds (1 kg) of bodyweight per day.' At doses up to 10mg per 2.2 pounds of bodyweight per day. metabolism could increase up to 50%. At doses above this (mostly for animal studies), metabolism could increase up to four times. Some people would experience extremely severe allergic reactions from an initial dose; skin eruptions would form and take some time to heal. Others died at the lowest dose prescribed. Toxic or lethal closes in humans vary significantly front person to person. Some can't handle even the lowest dosage, while others may not experience the metabolic effects even at twice the standard dose.
The Ugly
Used in studies to damage cells, including muscle cells, DNP causes alterations in cell structures that can be permanent. Because DNP prevents insulin molecules from attaching to muscle cells, insulin can't do its job if increasing the uptake of amino acids and glucose. If a bodybuilder were to take it to get ripped, for example, an anabolic hormone such as insulin wouldn't be able to stimulate muscle growth. DNP also inhibits production of thyroid hormones and prevents them from working properly in the body. The list goes on and on. As a final example, immune cells lose their ability to "eat" foreign cells and material, increasing susceptibility to disease and impairing most ATP-dependent functions.
DNP also causes hand tremors and profuse sweating, as well as more serious far-reaching effects. After going off DNP, individuals may or may not gain back more fat than before, depending on how screwed up their thyroid hormones are and what they're doing in terms of diet, and exercise. Ten years go by, and why is it getting so dark? The final surprise: Even after years of not using DNP, a number of people get cataracts. What's it going to be? Ripped, less muscle and dead, or a hit more aerobic work and alive? DNP isn't worth the risks. Fortunately, the compound is hard to come by and difficult to make at home. Don't be misled if your buddy tried it and says it worked great for him. He can still get cataracts in the future, and you can still die from using the same dosage.
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The fact that you were willing to try it obviously with the intent of using it speaks volumes. You obsessively over-exercise (and most would agree – incorrectly) twice a day, consistently take all sorts of “fat-burners” and other substances that will eventually, if not already, surly screw up your endocrine system. And from the sounds of your posts, you under eat. You are setting yourself up for osteopenia/osteoperosis, heart irregularities, and amenorrhea.
It’s all great and wonderful you’ve lost all that weight, don’t get me wrong. But you have traded one obsession/compulsion for anther and gone overboard. Neither one is healthy. Perhaps you don’t care about your health, perhaps it’s all vanity, but I seriously doubt it.
This requires professional help. I’m not saying this to be mean, but seriously, please get some help. The fact that you were/are willing to risk leaving your daughter without a mother strongly suggests you need it.
A friend who was always looking for the miracle drug, was hospitalized after using DNP...
The thing was that he already had lots of experience with the drug, and it still happened..
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The fact that you were willing to try it obviously with the intent of using it speaks volumes. You obsessively over-exercise (and most would agree – incorrectly) twice a day, consistently take all sorts of “fat-burners” and other substances that will eventually, if not already, surly screw up your endocrine system. And from the sounds of your posts, you under eat. You are setting yourself up for osteopenia/osteoperosis, heart irregularities, and amenorrhea.
It’s all great and wonderful you’ve lost all that weight, don’t get me wrong. But you have traded one obsession/compulsion for anther and gone overboard. Neither one is healthy. Perhaps you don’t care about your health, perhaps it’s all vanity, but I seriously doubt it.
This requires professional help. I’m not saying this to be mean, but seriously, please get some help. The fact that you were/are willing to risk leaving your daughter without a mother strongly suggests you need it.
Thanks Dr. Drew
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Listen Princess I know you dont mean any harm or if it's just you way, either way that's your business. Just because I said I have tried T3, broinkaid or the alike does not mean Im a pill popper...HELLO I'm unemployed, I value my dollar more than that. Besides it''s not like I don't do research. And as far as working out twice a day, that is MY choice, and have said I do only cardio so excuse me for loving going to the gym or running outside.God what have I become ::) and one more thing, I dont give a flying fuck wether someone thinks I'm doing it right or wrong. I eat when Im hungry or if not hungry have an apple between meals or something. I'm not a big person anymore, and eat clean doesnt take much to fill me up. And when you start critquing the men that speak about roids and shit please make sure you tell them the same thing..Thanks
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How come nobody ever asks how safe it is to be obese before becoming obese?
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You wanna good fat burner? Put down the f****** Doritos,get off your asses, and get out there and burn it off! it's that simple >:(
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Safe or not, completely unnecessary.
Lots of things aren't necessary but people still do it...It all depends on the risks you're willing to take.
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The fact that you were willing to try it obviously with the intent of using it speaks volumes. You obsessively over-exercise (and most would agree – incorrectly) twice a day, consistently take all sorts of “fat-burners” and other substances that will eventually, if not already, surly screw up your endocrine system. And from the sounds of your posts, you under eat. You are setting yourself up for osteopenia/osteoperosis, heart irregularities, and amenorrhea.
It’s all great and wonderful you’ve lost all that weight, don’t get me wrong. But you have traded one obsession/compulsion for anther and gone overboard. Neither one is healthy. Perhaps you don’t care about your health, perhaps it’s all vanity, but I seriously doubt it.
This requires professional help. I’m not saying this to be mean, but seriously, please get some help. The fact that you were/are willing to risk leaving your daughter without a mother strongly suggests you need it.
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Thanks Dr. Drew
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Listen Princess I know you dont mean any harm or if it's just you way, either way that's your business. Just because I said I have tried T3, broinkaid or the alike does not mean Im a pill popper...HELLO I'm unemployed, I value my dollar more than that. Besides it''s not like I don't do research. And as far as working out twice a day, that is MY choice, and have said I do only cardio so excuse me for loving going to the gym or running outside.God what have I become ::) and one more thing, I dont give a flying fuck wether someone thinks I'm doing it right or wrong. I eat when Im hungry or if not hungry have an apple between meals or something. I'm not a big person anymore, and eat clean doesnt take much to fill me up. And when you start critquing the men that speak about roids and shit please make sure you tell them the same thing..Thanks
not for nothing ... you are irritable , irrational , and obsessive compulsive ... not to mention rude and unpleasant
You have said over and over you are size 0 or 1 and use t3 to maintain , you're skinny fat even at that size and over exercise
you live on the internet .. either here or the other boards .. true story .. you don't have a job so you are keeping yourself sedentary to post that much ... that also speaks volumes about the amount of nervous energy you have that isn't expelled in a better way ( walking - gardening- etc. NOT running ).. from some of the things you post it also shows you don't have good judgement .. your post history can show that
if it bothers you when someone points out that you took unhealthy risks and are not on a great road in your fitness plan... then I'd suggest you ask for some other honest opinions from professionals ... do you have a Dr. and does that Dr. know everything about you and your weight maintanence plan ?
PrincessL is never ever volatile nor rude and your reaction was way off the chart
totally not cool 8)
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not to mention most of these so called fat burners are nothing more than high dosages of caffeine..
A few of these fat burners have so few of the actual active ingredients that are proven in scientific studies to burn fat..
In example it takes about 125 mg (20% active forslean) taken twice daily to burn fat...According to a big study that was funded by sabina corp
A few fat burners that have forskolin listed on the bottle have 25mg of this stuff per dosage...It probably inert as well...
the supplement companies call it window dressing...
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oh okay w8m8. Yes I have a doctor and please point out what other boards besides MM or muscleweek. Yes I am irratable, why, because I miss working and the economy sucks. Did you not pm me not to let the board bother me, oh my mistake. I didnt say Princess L was rude or volitale, those are your words, I believe I posted she didn't mean any harm. Yes I have a FP doctor. I still get weighed once a month at WW to keep on track. Thanks all for your concern, it is noted and I soak it in. It's all good.
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Did you not pm me not to let the board bother me, oh my mistake.
why yes ... yes I did ... because you were being bashed about in a thread pretty brutal and felt bad about that :-\
I didnt say Princess L was rude or volitale, those are your words, I believe I posted she didn't mean any harm.
I said she wasn't ... and meant she was totally undeserving of your "Thanks Dr.Drew" remark especially ::) but here again you show how little you think about what is posted and just seem to REACT
see I don't understand why people are bulimic..it's a waste of food and money to chomp it down then throw it back up (I bet Princess will accuse me now of being a bulimic).
on another thread you felt that comment was due ? why ?
It's all good.
good because this isn't the V board
have a nice day .. it's beautiful outside and I'm going to enjoy it :)
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Someone gave me 20 dnp pills, ughhhhhhh couldn't stand it, made me sweat, even if I was watching tv
Holy shit you took DNP?
Jesus. LOL
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now, i am sightly inclined towards using fat burners ..... how safe are these? do they really work?
The over counter stuff is about as effective as green tea and caffeine. Ever try that? Save your money.
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why yes ... yes I did ... because you were being bashed about in a thread pretty brutal and felt bad about that :-\
I said she wasn't ... and meant she was totally undeserving of your "Thanks Dr.Drew" remark especially ::) but here again you show how little you think about what is posted and just seem to REACT
on another thread you felt that comment was due ? why ?
good because this isn't the V board
have a nice day .. it's beautiful outside and I'm going to enjoy it :)
Sure enjoyed the day myself outside..Oh but I was on a harley.
Well just like you didn't like me saying Dr. Drew, her stating Im a pill popper was on called for in my opinion and stating something about not being around for my kid was uncalled for IMO. So we each have my own opinion. No need to feel bad. Im a big girl and appreciated the pm. But like I said to you, it doesnt really bother me. Hope you had a FANTASTIC day
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Listen Princess I know you dont mean any harm or if it's just you way, either way that's your business. Just because I said I have tried T3, broinkaid or the alike does not mean Im a pill popper...HELLO I'm unemployed, I value my dollar more than that. Besides it''s not like I don't do research. And as far as working out twice a day, that is MY choice, and have said I do only cardio so excuse me for loving going to the gym or running outside.God what have I become ::) and one more thing, I dont give a flying fuck wether someone thinks I'm doing it right or wrong. I eat when Im hungry or if not hungry have an apple between meals or something. I'm not a big person anymore, and eat clean doesnt take much to fill me up. And when you start critquing the men that speak about roids and shit please make sure you tell them the same thing..Thanks
I never accused you of being a pill-popper, however, in retrospect, it could certainly be interpreted that way. You, yourself have stated you’re taking or have taken, Alli, Xenical, Lipo, T3, Bronkaid, clen, and various combinations and experimented with DNP.
You state you do your research. Therefore, you must know DNP can cook you from the inside out and easily be deadly. It's a poison, an industrial chemical for gosh sakes. As harsh as it sounds, I personally find it shocking a single mother of a young child would risk her LIFE like that. I make no apologies for what I said other than it may have been perceived as insensitive.
Supplements aside, the 2wice/day cardio, with no resistance training (and therefore highly catabolic) along with the very low caloric intake can also present long term health consequences.
I by no means intend(ed) this to be an attack on you, honest. Right or wrong, good or bad, out-of-line, noneofmybusiness … I just couldn’t continue to sit back and say nothing.
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okay Princess L then I might have taken it the wrong way and no you shouldn't make any apologies. I never claimed to be a guru of loosing weight or anything. I did it nautrally not one pill or anything. Never said I made smart decisions, but I own my actions.
I understand that you find it shocking, wether I should or shouldnt is nether here nor there. I tried it, didn't like it and know better.
I know you didn't mean any harm I stated that. Speak your mind, it's what a good board, thread, debate, glass of wine kind of talk.
No harm no foul if ya ask me.
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Am I obsessed about staying thin, wether someone calls it skinny fat or whatelse, Yes I am. I worked my ass off to be where I am. I make no apologies for that. I love to workout, cant help it. It's a great stress reliever in these times. 2 years ago, I couldnt even walk for 10 minutes without grasping for air and now I can run a marathon
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life is nice,so away from that can damage ourselfs
great results with t3-ventolase for 3 months...
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A friend who was always looking for the miracle drug, was hospitalized after using DNP...
The thing was that he already had lots of experience with the drug, and it still happened..
Sounds like some scary sh!t :o Some people would eat Decon if they heard it was a fat burner.
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Eat Decon? If you were selling sauteed Racoon's assholes on a stick,people would buy em' and eat em'! >:(
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fukin deadly the safe stuff is clen and t3