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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: nolotil on March 13, 2010, 11:34:55 AM
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went cukkoo but good physique,;;
(mike and his brother ray)
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Not a pleasing physique to look at but damm look at how thick and dense he is :o
Cool pics nolotil , thanks for sharing :)
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One thick dude and smart before he went crazy.
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a mustache with glasses is a dangerous combination
Mike was playing with fire
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One thick dude and smart before he went crazy.
Sometimes, you've got to go batshit crazy to get real smart. Trick is to bounce back from the insanity in one piece.
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I actually trained with him in 2000 in Venice CA he was doing personal training. After the workout we sat outside he smoked a cigarette talked about all his bodybuilding years and stuff it was cool as hell. Damn shame him and his brother died a couple of days apart still pretty young. RIP.
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Sometimes, you've got to go batshit crazy to get real smart. Trick is to bounce back from the insanity in one piece.
Spoken like a man with experience ;D
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Spoken like a man with experience ;D
;) :-X ;D 8)
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Not a pleasing physique to look at but damm look at how thick and dense he is :o
Cool pics nolotil , thanks for sharing :)
i don't agree i think he has VERY VERY good physique, mentally ill but great physique,, very good thickness and hardness in his muscles,,
i prefer this physiqe too todays pros every day of the week,,
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One time (at least!!!!) uncrowned Mr. Olympia
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Sometimes, you've got to go batshit crazy to get real smart. Trick is to bounce back from the insanity in one piece.
As Nietzsche said, "One must have chaos in oneself, to give birth to a dancing star."
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One time (at least!!!!) uncrowned Mr. Olympia
no,, this is a myth,, specuially not 1980.
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As Nietzsche said, "One must have chaos in oneself, to give birth to a dancing star."
Mentzer was a Nietzsche fan I believe I read that somewhere.
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As Nietzsche said, "One must have chaos in oneself, to give birth to a dancing star."
weed works too :D
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Mentzer was a Nietzsche fan I believe I read that somewhere.
You are correct. I just read this:
He credited various literary influences for his style of writing – Miller, Lange, Nietzsche, Jones, Rand -- but he was being unduly modest; like Mentzer's physique, his writing style and ability to articulate the nature of art, intellect and science was incomparably his own – which is why his writings bear his unique stamp of authenticity.
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You are correct. I just read this:
He credited various literary influences for his style of writing – Miller, Lange, Nietzsche, Jones, Rand -- but he was being unduly modest; like Mentzer's physique, his writing style and ability to articulate the nature of art, intellect and science was incomparably his own – which is why his writings bear his unique stamp of authenticity.
No, listen to AJ some time and you'll see where Mike got his style.
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No, listen to AJ some time and you'll see where Mike got his style.
arthur jones was a very smart and interesting guy,, he had many good ideas some wrong some very good,, in many cases MUCH better than later versions from HIT-fanatics.... too much focus on failuire tho,,,
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As Nietzsche said, "One must have chaos in oneself, to give birth to a dancing star."
Profound. I don't know about the dancing star bit, but I have gone a "bit" chaotic in the past (once).
weed works too :D
Some reactions need a catalyst to initiate ;)
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Profound. I don't know about the dancing star bit, but I have gone a "bit" chaotic in the past (once).
Some reactions need a catalyst to initiate ;)
Well, I think the "dancing star" was a metaphor. Nietzsche loved metaphors. :D
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I always liked Mike, but from a physique standpoint he had strange proportions, short limbs, zero chest thickness, strange lines.
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One of the most aesthetically pleasing physiques ever... I mean look at this shot here:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=324216.0;attach=362980;image)
It doesn't look freaky, it just looks good and muscular...
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i don't agree i think he has VERY VERY good physique, mentally ill but great physique,, very good thickness and hardness in his muscles,,
i prefer this physiqe too todays pros every day of the week,,
Of course he does have a very good physique, I agree - but it is not a pleasing physique to look at
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great thread from a great poster about a great bodybuilder 8)
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I think the guy was great, very honest and open and a good human being whose opinion on training were spot-on. I think that he got frustrated at machiavellian type behaviour is all, which if we're all being honest, should be able to relate to being affected by it if on th recieving end i.e.Arnold. RIP Mike.
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Not a pleasing physique to look at but damm look at how thick and dense he is :o
Cool pics nolotil , thanks for sharing :)
To me, that is what made him impressive. The thickness. When he just stood relaxed the way his arms hung to the side like ham hocks was jaw dropping.
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i don't agree i think he has VERY VERY good physique, mentally ill but great physique,, very good thickness and hardness in his muscles,,
i prefer this physiqe too todays pros every day of the week,,
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As Nietzsche said, "One must have chaos in oneself, to give birth to a dancing star."
Mentzer was an avid fan of Nietzsche and quoted him often in his articles. He actually inspired me, a boy just starting out in high school that never did a day of homework, to actually go to the library and start reading Nietzsche. I became an avid reader of philosophy and initially majored in it college before realizing that I was never going to get a job with a Philosophy major.
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went cukkoo but good physique,;;
(mike and his brother ray)
Mentzer was no BULLSHIT. He said it as it was. He never claimed to have 20" arms +. He gave his EXACT measurement of 18 5/8" for his arms, at a weight of 225 pounds, on a 5'8" frame. Had a lot of respect for his not backing down at the 1980 Mr. O... He wasn't intimidated by Arnold.
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This is one of the most brutal physique shots ever taken.
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This is one of the most brutal physique shots ever taken.
Exactly. I don't know where this "zero chest thickness" comes from. If anything it's because his arms and shoulders were so thick.
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I miss Ray. We had alot of fun. I think I made him feel proud. He always loved to tell people what I lifted the day before or whatever. I made him laugh more than anyone too. I felt bad for him at the end.
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I miss Ray. We had alot of fun. I think I made him feel proud. He always loved to tell people what I lifted the day before or whatever. I made him laugh more than anyone too. I felt bad for him at the end.
Yeah, you trained with Ray along with Max_Rep and I think Don Ross (there's a guy I miss) when he owned Muscle Mill in Redondo Beach. I remember when Ray and Benny Podda came into Barlows to do chest. Those were strong intense muthafukers. I thought Ray actually had a more classical bodybuilder physique than Mike and had a more pleasing traditional overall look. But to me Mike had that "Wow" factor. He did look kind of, I don't know, just different. He caught your eye more.
Every now and then I'd see Ray at El Pollo Loco eating a whole chicken. I wish they'd open up an El Pollo Loco chicken place here.
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This has always been one of my favorite Mentzer shots.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=324216.0;attach=362983;image)
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(http://www.muscleandbrawn.com/mabwallpaper/mentzer/800mentzer.jpg)
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This is one of the most brutal physique shots ever taken.
Cool pic - perfect combination of mass and symmetry right there.
On a side note, how tall was Mentzer?
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I think he took it too far with his "consolidated" routine from heavy duty 2, basically training every 6 or 7 days with only 2 or 3 exercises. I tried it, and I did get stronger, but I lost my pleasing "look". Arthur Jones said in some of his earlier writings that there is overtraining but there is also undertraining, and I think this consolidated routine is definitely undertraining. Recently, I've been training every 48 hours, or roughly 3 times a week, and my appearance is much better than before. I think it has something to do with bio-chemical changes in the body, and that once a week, just isn't often enough...
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Great guy knew him well.He had an angry attitude and it served him well.
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I think he took it too far with his "consolidated" routine from heavy duty 2, basically training every 6 or 7 days with only 2 or 3 exercises. I tried it, and I did get stronger, but I lost my pleasing "look". Arthur Jones said in some of his earlier writings that there is overtraining but there is also undertraining, and I think this consolidated routine is definitely undertraining. Recently, I've been training every 48 hours, or roughly 3 times a week, and my appearance is much better than before. I think it has something to do with bio-chemical changes in the body, and that once a week, just isn't often enough...
There isn't such physiological state as undertraining. If that term is meant as volume that is too small then that is completely subjective and untestable.
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There isn't such physiological state as undertraining. If that term is meant as volume that is too small then that is completely subjective and untestable.
Are you sure about that? I think there is a state of "optimal training" training enough to stimulate growth, but not so much as to prevent growth. For example, 2 or 3 work sets once every 6 or 7 days isn't enough to stimulate growth, but 10 to 15 work sets 3 times a week is enough.
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Mentzer was no BULLSHIT. He said it as it was. He never claimed to have 20" arms +. He gave his EXACT measurement of 18 5/8" for his arms, at a weight of 225 pounds, on a 5'8" frame. Had a lot of respect for his not backing down at the 1980 Mr. O... He wasn't intimidated by Arnold.
what you write has nothing to do with the fact that he was cuckoo,, you must seperate different issues,,
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You don't think anyone who megga doses on illegal drugs is a little cuckoo?
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I think he took it too far with his "consolidated" routine from heavy duty 2, basically training every 6 or 7 days with only 2 or 3 exercises. I tried it, and I did get stronger, but I lost my pleasing "look". Arthur Jones said in some of his earlier writings that there is overtraining but there is also undertraining, and I think this consolidated routine is definitely undertraining. Recently, I've been training every 48 hours, or roughly 3 times a week, and my appearance is much better than before. I think it has something to do with bio-chemical changes in the body, and that once a week, just isn't often enough...
yes,, specially his later training recommendations are crazy,, so infrequent traiing is very poor for growth,, the reason for this is :: protein synthesis is only elevated approx 24-48 hour after training session,, so if you wait too long it isnt good for growth,, this dont meen you necessarily have to train body part every every second day,, as other mechanism have to recover but waiting a week or longer is NOT smart if you wanna grow yourself,, reason you can get stronger with extreme HIT and not grow is mostly NEURAL ADAPTATIONS
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You don't think anyone who megga doses on illegal drugs is a little cuckoo?
mentzer was always crazy,, he has very extreme mind,, he can never do moderation,..
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Could never do moderation past point.
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Could never do moderation past point.
mentzer lives,, just like elvis ;D
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So I guess Ray is alive and well also?
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yes,, specially his later training recommendations are crazy,, so infrequent traiing is very poor for growth,, the reason for this is :: protein synthesis is only elevated approx 24-48 hour after training session,, so if you wait too long it isnt good for growth,, this dont meen you necessarily have to train body part every every second day,, as other mechanism have to recover but waiting a week or longer is NOT smart if you wanna grow yourself,, reason you can get stronger with extreme HIT and not grow is mostly NEURAL ADAPTATIONS
Spot on, my friend 8)
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Great guy knew him well.He had an angry attitude and it served him well.
John Little? Love your work. I use to read your articles every month when I worked in a nutrition store that carried Iron Man. I wasn't embarrassed reading those kinds of mags in vitamin stores. It's been a while since I've read any of your stuff because I don't work there anymore. I guess I could thumb through Iron Man at Border's but I'd rather be caught reading Granny Porn. I just don't want people think I'm strange.
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that was one serious beach body!
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anyone know what his methods were for diet and pharmacology, guy was very scientific, would be interesting to know his views on both, his training methods are widely known and well thought out,never heard much about his other preparations, except for the usual rumours, both him and Casey Viator had that real thick type dense muscle, maybe Keith onlyme can shed some light on it.
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he had claimed that yates was following his training techniques but yates denied (of course after mike had passed away) :-X
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he had claimed that yates was following his training techniques but yates denied (of course after mike had passed away) :-X
Na Dorian said it whilst Mike was still alive , he pointed out that the way he trained was along the same lines as Mikes HIT or should I say Arthur's HIT methods but he had modifyed it to suit his needs better.
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Na Dorian said it whilst Mike was still alive , he pointed out that the way he trained was along the same lines as Mikes HIT or should I say Arthur's HIT methods but he had modifyed it to suit his needs better.
and was mike shocked and disappointed when he heard this?..
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and was mike shocked and disappointed when he heard this?..
Mike and Dorian clearly had a mutual respect for each other from what I've read and heard from the pair of them. Dorian agreed on everything other than exercise choice, by that he believed that bodyparts like back need to be hit from a number of angles for full development, wheras Mike argued that it required far less variety, but where I read this I remember them both leaving the discussion with a positive agree to disagree kind of attitude.
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Great physique, his training and nutrition ideas were a bit crazy though.
Great pics nolotil, thanks.
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Great physique, his training and nutrition ideas were a bit crazy though.
Great pics nolotil, thanks.
Mike's ideas weren't what I'd call crazy, I'd say they are optimum IMO.
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Mike's ideas weren't what I'd call crazy, I'd say they are optimum IMO.
I don't know, I'm not a big fan of HIT or any other type of low volume training. Some of them (including Mike) are/were a little dogmatic.
He also advocated very little protein and calories for growth, kind of like what this "Hugeripped" guy is posting now, I don't go that way either.
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Cool pic - perfect combination of mass and symmetry right there.
On a side note, how tall was Mentzer?
Mike was 5'8" and Ray was 5'9".
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what you write has nothing to do with the fact that he was cuckoo,, you must seperate different issues,,
Dude, just because you started the thread, doesn't mean you have to dominate it and reply to EVERYONE's comment. You created the thread, NOT MIKE MENTZER ::)
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i'm doing an abbreviated hit/hst routine right now and i'm sorry i ever stopped.
i'm making great gains on very low calories 8)