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I don't believe he ever intended to try and end the partisan air in D.C. His approach has been "my way or the highway." Same old hardball Washington politics. This is just another example. He's lobbying Democrats (not Republicans) and could care less if he gets a single Republican vote, or whether the majority of the country opposes this bill.
In unusual step, Obama heads to the hill Saturday
Posted: March 20th, 2010
Washington (CNN) - President Obama plans to address the House Democratic caucus Saturday to make a final plea for the health care overhaul, a day ahead of an expected House vote.
Four Democratic officials familiar with the plans told CNN on Friday that the president will speak Saturday to the lawmakers. The pitch will be made on Capitol Hill, White House aides said. No further details were immediately available.
The House of Representatives is set to vote Sunday on a sweeping $875 billion reform plan that cleared the Senate in December, as well as another $65 billion in compromise changes to the measure.
If the Senate bill passes the House, Obama will sign it into law. If the package of changes is passed, it will be taken up by the Senate.
Democratic leaders are trying to round up the 216 necessary votes to pass the bill. According to CNN's latest count, 29 Democrats plan to vote against the legislation. Thirty-eight Democratic "no" votes are needed to kill the bill.
Multiple Democratic leadership sources told CNN that Democrats have over 200 "yes" votes, though it was not clear Friday night how close Democrats were to securing the votes they need.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/20/obama-to-make-final-push-on-the-hill/?fbid=54YJ106g8kS#more-95418
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From "The Audacity of Hope":
“Genuine bipartisanship,” he wrote, “assumes an honest process of give-and-take, and that the quality of the compromise is measured by how well it serves some agreed-upon goal, whether better schools or lower deficits. This in turn assumes that the majority will be constrained — by an exacting press corps and ultimately an informed electorate — to negotiate in good faith.
“If these conditions do not hold — if nobody outside Washington is really paying attention to the substance of the bill, if the true costs . . . are buried in phony accounting and understated by a trillion dollars or so — the majority party can begin every negotiation by asking for 100% of what it wants, go on to concede 10%, and then accuse any member of the minority party who fails to support this ‘compromise’ of being ‘obstructionist.’
“For the minority party in such circumstances, ‘bipartisanship’ comes to mean getting chronically steamrolled, although individual senators may enjoy certain political rewards by consistently going along with the majority and hence gaining a reputation for being ‘moderate’ or ‘centrist.’”
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He should have stopped appealing to Repubs about 8 months ago
Repubs vote against their own proposals as soon as the Dems include them in legislation
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"I`m not going to anticipate problems," Obama said at his first news conference as President. "I`m going to go in there with a spirit of bipartisanship."
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"I`m not going to anticipate problems," Obama said at his first news conference as President. "I`m going to go in there with a spirit of bipartisanship."
yep and he wasted almost a year with nothing to show for it
he's a slow learner
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"We all understand that there are legitimate and genuine differences between the parties. But despite the political posturing that often paralyzes this town, there are many issues upon which we can and should agree.
That's what the American people are demanding of us. I think they're tired of every day being Election Day in Washington. And at this critical time in our country, the people who sent us here expect a seriousness of purpose that transcends petty politics."
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"We all understand that there are legitimate and genuine differences between the parties. But despite the political posturing that often paralyzes this town, there are many issues upon which we can and should agree.
That's what the American people are demanding of us. I think they're tired of every day being Election Day in Washington. And at this critical time in our country, the people who sent us here expect a seriousness of purpose that transcends petty politics."
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Liar liar.
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Pants on fire.
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Liar liar.
where's the lie?
Obama Chooses Bi-partisan Chairs for Intel Advisory Board
President Obama announced today that he has chosen Senators Chuck Hagel and David Boren to serve as co-chairmen of his Intelligence Advisory Board (PIAB). “Under Chuck and Dave's leadership, I will be looking for the board to provide me with objective, independent, and non-partisan counsel as we work to strengthen our intelligence community and our national security,” The President said today in the Cabinet Room noting the bipartisanship of his co-chairs, Hagel, a former Republican Senator from Nebraska and Boren a former Democratic Senator from Oklahoma
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/10/obama-chooses-bipartisan-chairs-for-intel-advisory-board-.html
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In his victory speech Tuesday night, President-elect Barack Obama returned to a central theme of his campaign, the importance of closing the partisan divide that has crippled Washington and turned national politics into blood sport.
"In this country, we rise or fall as one nation, as one people," Obama said. "Let's resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long."
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In his victory speech Tuesday night, President-elect Barack Obama returned to a central theme of his campaign, the importance of closing the partisan divide that has crippled Washington and turned national politics into blood sport.
"In this country, we rise or fall as one nation, as one people," Obama said. "Let's resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long."
Bum - what is your point exactly
do you think Obama has not made genuine attempts at bipartisanship?
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President Barack Obama may rely only on Democrats to push health-care legislation through the U.S. Congress if Republican opposition doesn’t yield soon, two of the president’s top advisers said.
“Ultimately, this is not about a process, it’s about results,” David Axelrod, Obama’s senior political strategist, said during an interview in his White House office. “If we’re going to get this thing done, obviously time is a-wasting.”
Both Axelrod and White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said taking a partisan route to enacting major health-care legislation isn’t the president’s preferred choice. Yet in separate interviews, each man left that option open.
“We’d like to do it with the votes of members of both parties,” Axelrod said. “But the worst result would be to not get health-care reform done.”
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Bum - everything you're posting supports the notion that Obama has made every effort for bipartisan support
His own party and many of his supporters are sick of him continuing this seemingly pointless effort but yet he continues
Is that your point?
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"We must work quickly, in a bipartisan fashion, to resolve this crisis and avert an even broader economic catastrophe," Obama told a Green Bay, Wis., audience Monday. Like Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the top Democratic leaders in Congress, Obama is insisting on an additional economic stimulus bill and relief for homeowners facing foreclosure.
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"We must work quickly, in a bipartisan fashion, to resolve this crisis and avert an even broader economic catastrophe," Obama told a Green Bay, Wis., audience Monday. Like Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the top Democratic leaders in Congress, Obama is insisting on an additional economic stimulus bill and relief for homeowners facing foreclosure.
schitzo much?
every post lends more proof to Obama's efforts at bipartisanship.
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I don't believe he ever intended to try and end the partisan air in D.C. His approach has been "my way or the highway." Same old hardball Washington politics. This is just another example. He's lobbying Democrats (not Republicans) and could care less if he gets a single Republican vote, or whether the majority of the country opposes this bill.
Bum - are you planning on making any posts that support your statement or are you just going to keep giving more proof of the opposite?
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Bum - are you planning on making any posts that support your statement or are you just going to keep giving more proof of the opposite?
"Hope & Change" has always been a empty BS slogan with no subatance whatsoever to appeal to the morons and bird brains to usher in marxism.
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"Hope & Change" has always been a empty BS slogan with no subatance whatsoever to appeal to the morons and bird brains to usher in marxism.
LoL
333 - do you think Obamas attempts at bi-partisanship were really just a cover to "usher in marxism"?
I don't quite follow how that works
can you connect the dots for me?
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"Hope & Change" has always been a empty BS slogan with no subatance whatsoever to appeal to the morons and bird brains to usher in marxism.
Exactly. Nothing but an empty slogan. I think his definition of bipartisanship is: I'll work with you only if you agree with me.
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LoL
333 - do you think Obamas attempts at bi-partisanship were really just a cover to "usher in marxism"?
I don't quite follow how that works
can you connect the dots for me?
He never was interested in bi-partisanship. Thats pure nonsense. He stacked the deck from day one to where no GOP rep could possibly ever go along with him and now people wonder why? GMAFB!
Imagine if McCain one and was trying health care and in the bill he banned abortions, banned gay sex, banned interracial marriage, and then asked the Dems to work with him on other stuff.
This is the same thing. Obama put through so many reckeless, irresponsible, radical, and insane provisions in this health care mess that for him to expect any GOP to work with him is just stupid.
He should just be honest, admit he is a marxist, like every thing about his history, past and present shows, and get it over with.
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Exactly. Nothing but an empty slogan. I think his definition of bipartisanship is: I'll work with you only if you agree with me.
you mean like compasionate conservative or I'm a uniter not a divider?
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you mean like compasionate conservative or I'm a uniter not a divider?
Yes! Straw - what you need to realize is that many of us did not like Bush and his phoney crap either. To us he was far better than Gore, but still a shithead nevertheless.
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Would anyone consider this approach far removed for the "pussy spineless democrat" stereotype?
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Would anyone consider this approach far removed for the "pussy spineless democrat" stereotype?
Ozmo - there is a lot more going on here than just a Dem. Health Bill. This monstrosity is about something far bigger, CONTROLLING YOUR LIFE!
Do you realize the IRS is in charge of enforcing the most important aspect of this bill? Do you even realize how invasive this is going to be when you have the IRS busting your balls checking out your health insurance and related issues?
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everything out of bam bams mouth is a lie, and pelosi and reid too , no surprise anymore
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He never was interested in bi-partisanship. Thats pure nonsense. He stacked the deck from day one to where no GOP rep could possibly ever go along with him and now people wonder why? GMAFB!
Imagine if McCain one and was trying health care and in the bill he banned abortions, banned gay sex, banned interracial marriage, and then asked the Dems to work with him on other stuff.
This is the same thing. Obama put through so many reckeless, irresponsible, radical, and insane provisions in this health care mess that for him to expect any GOP to work with him is just stupid.
He should just be honest, admit he is a marxist, like every thing about his history, past and present shows, and get it over with.
bipartisanship is a pretty self explanatory concept but it seems like most Repubs are simply too stupid to understand how it work (or more likely know exactly how it works and simply don't give a shit)
Listen to your chosen leader as he explains how bipartisanship works:
"But here's the point that I made to John Boehner and Mitch McConnell: Bipartisanship can't be that I agree to all the things that they believe in or want, and they agree to none of the things I believe in and want, and that's the price of bipartisanship, right? But that's sometimes the way it gets presented. Mitch McConnell said something very nice in the meeting about how he supports our goals on nuclear energy and clean coal technology and more drilling to increase oil production. Well, of course he likes that; that's part of the Republican agenda for energy, which I accept. And I'm willing to move off some of the preferences of my party in order to meet them halfway. But there's got to be some give from their side as well. That's true on health care; that's true on energy; that's true on financial reform. That's what I'm hoping gets accomplished at the summit."
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bipartisanship is a pretty self explanatory concept but it seems like most Repubs are simply too stupid to understand how it work (or more likely know exactly how it works and simply don't give a shit)
Listen to your chosen leader as he explains how bipartisanship works:
"But here's the point that I made to John Boehner and Mitch McConnell: Bipartisanship can't be that I agree to all the things that they believe in or want, and they agree to none of the things I believe in and want, and that's the price of bipartisanship, right? But that's sometimes the way it gets presented. Mitch McConnell said something very nice in the meeting about how he supports our goals on nuclear energy and clean coal technology and more drilling to increase oil production. Well, of course he likes that; that's part of the Republican agenda for energy, which I accept. And I'm willing to move off some of the preferences of my party in order to meet them halfway. But there's got to be some give from their side as well. That's true on health care; that's true on energy; that's true on financial reform. That's what I'm hoping gets accomplished at the summit."
Again he lies so blatantly you cant even see it. On the one hand he makes those statements, and then the next day you read that he banned off shore drilling for the term he is in congress and shut off funding for Yuca mountain.
Actions, not words Straw. Look at what this asshole does, not what he says and you will get a clue.
Remember this speech Hillary gave? She was dead right about Obama from day one and people like yourself were too caught up in your school girl crushes to realize it.
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Yes! Straw - what you need to realize is that many of us did not like Bush and his phoney crap either. To us he was far better than Gore, but still a shithead nevertheless.
I bet most of this country would like a redo of 2000 thru 2008 with Gore as POTUS
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Actions, not words Straw. Look at what this asshole does, not what he says and you will get a clue.
Ding! Someone gets it.
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I bet most of this country would like a redo of 2000 thru 2008 with Gore as POTUS
And the same will be said after another year of obama once he tries to ram amnesty and crap & tax through.
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well he is changing, he didnt lie about that, he said he was gona fundimentaly transform america, he just forgot to mention what he wanted to change to .. ::)
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Ozmo - there is a lot more going on here than just a Dem. Health Bill. This monstrosity is about something far bigger, CONTROLLING YOUR LIFE!
Do you realize the IRS is in charge of enforcing the most important aspect of this bill? Do you even realize how invasive this is going to be when you have the IRS busting your balls checking out your health insurance and related issues?
No, No, No, I get it. This is one smooth operator in the white house. Mandatory universal health care. I'd rather have real health care reform, not compulsorily mod style health care.
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No, No, No, I get it. This is one smooth operator in the white house. Mandatory universal health care. I'd rather have real health care reform, not compulsorily mod style health care.
Isnt it a little hypoctrical for Obama on the hand to scream about all the evils of the insurance carriers on the one hand, yet on the other hand FORCE AND MANDATE us to purchase insurance from these very same companies under threat of penalty, jail, and IRS tactics?
How anyone does not see the unbelievable hypocrisy of this is beyond me.
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333 its ok for liberal/ commies to create double standards, its ok!!!
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'No, No, No, I get it. This is one smooth operator in the white house. "
Sorry, but on getbig, Obama was declared incompetent on day 1, and everyone just KNEW he'd never accomplish anything as president.
Now, as this POS bill passes, they end the victory party they've had for a year and maybe start thinking about
1) Finding a few REAL voices for the party
2) Offering ALTERNATIVE LEGISLATION to things like pollution and border control.
But, instead, morons will continue to just poo=poo anything obama does without any real solutions of their own. And when crap/trade and amnesty passes, they'll stand pround in the fact this do-nothing president can't get anything done...
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Actions, not words Straw. Look at what this asshole does, not what he says and you will get a clue.
33 Handing out another beatdown!!
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Again he lies so blatantly you cant even see it. On the one hand he makes those statements, and then the next day you read that he banned off shore drilling for the term he is in congress and shut off funding for Yuca mountain.
Actions, not words Straw. Look at what this asshole does, not what he says and you will get a clue.
Remember this speech Hillary gave? She was dead right about Obama from day one and people like yourself were too caught up in your school girl crushes to realize it.
what was the so called lie she was talking about?
How'd that campaign turn out again?
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WTF does that have to do with her pointing out the truth that Obama gives speeches filled with lies and does the complete opposite the minute the teleprompter is turned off?
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he trying to change the subject 333 cause he knows bam bam is a lieing sack of cow shit
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WTF does that have to do with her pointing out the truth that Obama gives speeches filled with lies and does the complete opposite the minute the teleprompter is turned off?
aren't you trying make the point that Obama lied?
I asked you what lie Hilary is talking about.
how is that changing the topic
why do you constantly post short little clips taken out of context
I have no clue what Clinton is talking about or if she is even telling the truth
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What most of you people do not grasp is that the fundamental features of the healthcare bill are so skewed towards an ultra leftist political premise, that no republican with an ounce of self respect and half a brain cell could in good conscience vote for Obamacare in its current form.
The concessions ( if you can even call them concessions) made by the democrats have been so few and so irrelevant that it is at best dishonest, and at worst stupid to call the compromises which have been proposed a "bi partisan" effort.
A final point many of you are ignoring throughout this whole fiasco is that voting against this bill isn't as simple as democrat versus republican. Elected officials are supposed to be working for their constituents. The constituents are the American people. The American people do NOT support Obama care. In essence, bi partisanship by the republicans on this bill is tantamount to ignoring the will of the people that elected them.
PS- You can tell this bill is shit when Obama has to bribe members of his own party to vote for it.
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What most of you people do not grasp is that the fundamental features of the healthcare bill are so skewed towards an ultra leftist political premise, that no republican with an ounce of self respect and half a brain cell could in good conscience vote for Obamacare in its current form.
The concessions ( if you can even call them concessions) made by the democrats have been so few and so irrelevant that it is at best dishonest, and at worst stupid to call the compromises which have been proposed a "bi partisan" effort.
A final point many of you are ignoring throughout this whole fiasco is that voting against this bill isn't as simple as democrat versus republican. Elected officials are supposed to be working for their constituents. The constituents are the American people. The American people do NOT support Obama care. In essence, bi partisanship by the republicans on this bill is tantamount to ignoring the will of the people that elected them.
PS- You can tell this bill is shit when Obama has to bribe members of his own party to vote for it.
hard to take your perspective seriously since this bill doesn't include a public option or even eliminate the anti-trust exemption
what part do you think is "ultra leftist"?
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Again he lies so blatantly you cant even see it. On the one hand he makes those statements, and then the next day you read that he banned off shore drilling for the term he is in congress and shut off funding for Yuca mountain.
Actions, not words Straw. Look at what this asshole does, not what he says and you will get a clue.
Remember this speech Hillary gave? She was dead right about Obama from day one and people like yourself were too caught up in your school girl crushes to realize it.
Great clip. She was absolutely right: don't say one thing and do another. As much as I disliked Hillary, I'm starting to think she would have made a better president. :-\
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Great clip. She was absolutely right: don't say one thing and do another. As much as I disliked Hillary, I'm starting to think she would have made a better president. :-\
I don't know:
1. What she is talking about
2. If she even correct or if she is the one lying or spinning
3. If Obama was even responsible for whatever she is talking about
4. Why should I even care. If you want to point out lies there are certainly examples that are more timely and more relevent than a spat over campaign ads from 2+ years ago
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Great clip. She was absolutely right: don't say one thing and do another. As much as I disliked Hillary, I'm starting to think she would have made a better president. :-\
without a doubt would have made a better president
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without a doubt would have made a better president
I was listening to him give a speech a while back and I actually said "I miss George Bush." :-\ I can't even listen to the man anymore.
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I was listening to him give a speech a while back and I actually said "I miss George Bush." :-\ I can't even listen to the man anymore.
I wont even turn on the TV anymore since this communist asshole makes me want to throw something at the tv set with his lies.
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he is nothing more than a communist piece of shit thats doesnt gives 2 rats asses about america, anyone who believes other wise needs to wake the fuck up or get off the crack.
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I wont even turn on the TV anymore since this communist asshole makes me want to throw something at the tv set with his lies.
^^^^^ Suicide watch! ;) :D :D :D
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^^^^^ Suicide watch! ;) :D :D :D
Hardly.