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Guys, last night in my self defense class we had a new guy who is an air force guy and we were asking him some questions, etc etc.
The main instructor asked him if he was ordered to use drones on right wingers, teabaggers, and people the government said were "anti-government, even though they were American Citizens, if he would.
Without a flinch and barely a milisecond, he said, "Absolutely, fuck'em."
I spoke to the instructor today about it and he was as disturbed as I was and said he is going to ask the guy leave next week after that.
I personally was shocked at how matter of fact this guy said that and was a bit disturbed over that.
Thoughts?
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Guys, last night in my self defense class we had a new guy who is an air force guy and we were asking him some questions, etc etc.
The main instructor asked him if he was ordered to use drones on right wingers, teabaggers, and people the government said were "anti-government, even though they were American Citizens, if he would.
Without a flinch and barely a milisecond, he said, "Absolutely, fuck'em."
I spoke to the instructor today about it and he was as disturbed as I was and said he is going to ask the guy leave next week after that.
I personally was shocked at how matter of fact this guy said that and was a bit disturbed over that.
Thoughts?
So let me get this straight.... you are condoning kicking a guy out of a private self-defense class that he presumeably paid good money for, because he as a government employee expressed a willingness to do his job?
What happened to the unconditional love of soldiers and other military types who follow orders? They're worthy of praise when they follow orders and kill people overseas without flinching, ...but when they express an inclination towards consistency (ie: killing whomever they are ordered to kill) they should be "kicked out" because you find it disturbing? What I find disturbing is the fact that you are only now just realizing the military will be used against whoever they choose to use it against regardless of whether the targets are foreign or domestic. You're just as mortal as everyone else. And the next time you see a pick of a naked Iraqi with a car battery tied to his genitals, remember: 'There but for the grace of God go I"
But cheer up tho... when the government's military drones open fire on you, ...you'll have health insurance to take the bullets out and cover your little stint in the hospital.
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Guys, last night in my self defense class we had a new guy who is an air force guy and we were asking him some questions, etc etc.
The main instructor asked him if he was ordered to use drones on right wingers, teabaggers, and people the government said were "anti-government, even though they were American Citizens, if he would.
Without a flinch and barely a milisecond, he said, "Absolutely, fuck'em."
I spoke to the instructor today about it and he was as disturbed as I was and said he is going to ask the guy leave next week after that.
I personally was shocked at how matter of fact this guy said that and was a bit disturbed over that.
Thoughts?
Seriously... what type of self defense 333's? I've trained using the Vee-Arnis-Jitsu System dating back to my military days.
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Seriously... what type of self defense 333's? I've trained using the Vee-Arnis-Jitsu System dating back to my military days.
I have already given out those details. I train under a guy named Col. Ridenhour and John Perkins. He also trains Gerald Celente.
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A soldier following there orders is a suprise?
If "god" told a Christian to kill his own son they would...
The message under strawmans avatar rings true....
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I have already given out those details. I train under a guy named Col. Ridenhour and John Perkins. He also trains Gerald Celente.
What system? Kenpo?
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A soldier following there orders is a suprise?
If "god" told a Christian to kill his own son they would...
The message under strawmans avatar rings true....
Maybe I was naive in thinking our soldiers wouldnt follow those orders. My bad.
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What system? Kenpo?
http://www.survive-the-street.com/instructorbiography.php?inst=46
Maybe he can verify your info mons?
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A soldier following there orders is a suprise?
If "god" told a Christian to kill his own son they would...
The message under strawmans avatar rings true....
those aren't my words
that's a direct quote from Jerry Falwell and presumably it was derived from his experience with his flock of christian zombies
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http://www.survive-the-street.com/instructorbiography.php?inst=46
Maybe he can verify your info mons?
Maybe he can verify your alleged midgit picture 333's?
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those aren't my words
that's a direct quote from Jerry Falwell and presumably it was derived from his experience with his flock of christian zombies
I did not make this thread to turn into personal insults and jokes.
I'm not kidding, this is a serious issue and I was just surprised at how matter of fact this guy was in saying he would have no problem using drones to attack fellow american citizens.
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Maybe he can verify your alleged midgit picture 333's?
Post a pic of yourself fool. The one you keep pimping was already proven a fake.
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A soldier following there orders is a suprise?
If "god" told a Christian to kill his own son they would...
The message under strawmans avatar rings true....
rotflmao. Kinda funny isn't it? He's surprised a soldier is capable of killing. ::)
Dah... that's what they do.They are killing machines capable of blowing your head clean off,
...watching your brains and /or internal organs splatter all over them, then sitting down to a meal.
Up here, the commander of Canada's largest AFB in Trenton is under arrest for the brutal murders and rapes of 3 different women. Authorities suspect he may be a serial killer and are going over all the cold cases from areas he has been stationed in the past. A soldier capable of killing? Who'd have thunk it? ::)
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Maybe I was naive in thinking our soldiers wouldnt follow those orders. My bad.
BINGO!!!
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rotflmao. Kinda funny isn't it? He's surprised a soldier is capable of killing. ::)
Dah... that's what they do.They are killing machines capable of blowing your head clean off,
...watching your brains and /or internal organs splatter all over them, then sitting down to a meal.
Up here, the commander of Canada's largest AFB in Trenton is under arrest for the brutal murders and rapes of 3 different women. Authorities suspect he may be a serial killer and are going over all the cold cases from areas he has been stationed in the past. A soldier capable of killing? Who'd have thunk it? ::)
That's not the point. Many people are capable of murder, it was just strange hearing how matter of fact this guy was about unleashing drones on us citizens simply "because I was told to".
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Post a pic of yourself fool. The one you keep pimping was already proven a fake.
Prove it.
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I did not make this thread to turn into personal insults and jokes.
I'm not kidding, this is a serious issue and I was just surprised at how matter of fact this guy was in saying he would have no problem using drones to attack fellow american citizens.
I'm not insulting anyone with my comments (unless they somehow happen to belong to Falwells Church)
Sorry, I don't think this is a "serious issue", at least it's not to me
For all you know the guy was joking or just wanted to say something for shock value
I've said it before, you need to learn how to relax man. You're a bundle of nerves, emotion, paranoia and unfocused rage.
Why don't you try taking a break from posting on GB for a few days and maybe don't watch TV.
Just chill
Obama will still be leading us into communism when you get back and maybe he'll even have the death panels set up by then
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I did not make this thread to turn into personal insults and jokes.
I'm not kidding, this is a serious issue and I was just surprised at how matter of fact this guy was in saying he would have no problem using drones to attack fellow american citizens.
Why should it surprise you?
Timothy McVeigh had no problem killing Americans... including little babies in daycare.
Why would a soldier have a problem using a drone, ...one would think that would be especially easy. you wouldn't have to look them in the eyes as you offed them. It could be like a giant videogame. :-\
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I'm not insulting anyone with my comments (unless they somehow happen to belong to Falwells Church)
Sorry, I don't think this is a "serious issue", at least it's not to me
For all you know the guy was joking or just wanted to say something for shock value
I've said it before, you need to learn how to relax man. You're a bundle of nerves, emotion, paranoia and unfocused rage.
Why don't you try taking a break from posting on GB for a few days and maybe don't watch TV.
Just chill
Obama will still be leading us into communism when you get back and maybe he'll even have the death panels set up by then
I dont watch TV unless its the Yankees games or UFC.
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I'm not insulting anyone with my comments (unless they somehow happen to belong to Falwells Church)
Sorry, I don't think this is a "serious issue", at least it's not to me
For all you know the guy was joking or just wanted to say something for shock value
I've said it before, you need to learn how to relax man. You're a bundle of nerves, emotion, paranoia and unfocused rage.
Why don't you try taking a break from posting on GB for a few days and maybe don't watch TV.
Just chill
Obama will still be leading us into communism when you get back and maybe he'll even have the death panels set up by then
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I agree with you Straw, ...he really should chill.
333 look on the bright side, ...he thought you were testing his loyalty. he didn't want to get discharged or cause a ruckus by indicating ahead of time that he'd disobey, so he said he would follow orders. he didn't really mean it. infact, if he was ordered to, ...he'd not only disobey the order, but YOURS would be the first family he took out of harm's way. really. :D can he stay in the self-defense class now? ;D
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I dont run the place.
If i did I would beat the living shit out him and make him know his place.
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Straw - serious question, play along:
Lets assume the GOP were to win huge majorities in 2010 and 2012 and Palin were win the Presidency in 2012. The GOP now has all three branches and almost veto proof majority. In the first year Palin:
1. Ban abortion
2. Bay gay marriage
3. Ban sodomy.
4. End the EEOC, NEA, EPA, DHS, etc
5. Pursue a nationwide CCW
How would you feel?
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it's a weird situation.
if a crowd of arab foreigners was wielding pitchforks and threatening americans, many people would fire upon them.
if a crowd of corn-fed americans was wielding pitchforks and threatening americans, many people COULD NOT fire upon them.
The result (to the people getting stabbed and shot on the ground) is the same.
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4. End the EEOC, NEA, EPA, DHS, etc
End Homeland security? Republicans INVENTED that. What makes you think palin would end it?
5. Pursue a nationwide CCW
Wooo hooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooo!
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Straw - serious question, play along:
Lets assume the GOP were to win huge majorities in 2010 and 2012 and Palin were win the Presidency in 2012. The GOP now has all three branches and almost veto proof majority. In the first year Palin:
1. Ban abortion
2. Bay gay marriage
3. Ban sodomy.
4. End the EEOC, NEA, EPA, DHS, etc
5. Pursue a nationwide CCW
How would you feel?
don't forget banning stem cell research...and don't forget mandatory prayer in schools...whats this have to do with the thread topic?
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I meant DHHS
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don't forget banning stem cell research...and don't forget mandatory prayer in schools...whats this have to do with the thread topic?
Straw thinks us RW'ers are over reacting to Obama's overall agenda and are too tense.
I was trying to explain to him the equivelent feeling for LW'ers would have under similar circumstances.
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I dont run the place.
If i did I would beat the living shit out him and make him know his place.
know his place?
who the fuck are you to tell that to anyone?
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know his place?
who the fuck are you to tell that to anyone?
His employer.
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don't forget banning stem cell research...and don't forget mandatory prayer in schools...whats this have to do with the thread topic?
ADD much?
honestly this is just another sign that something is wrong inside 333's skull
the guy can't stay on topic for more than a few posts before he veers off into la la land with his weird "what if" scenarios
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ADD much?
honestly this is just another sign that something is wrong inside 333's skull
the guy can't stay on topic for more than a few posts before he veers off into la la land with his weird "what if" scenarios
Did you read my response to that Straw? It wasnt but a few years ago when the left feared GWB was going to suspend elections no?
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nice tat
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^^^ Makes sense.
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His employer.
yeah?
trying using that defense at your trial
even if you were his employer how does that give you the right to assault him
I swear to god sometimes I think you (and Billy) must be joking
you can't actually believe some of the stupid stuff you post on this board
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^^^ Makes sense.
I'd like to know who you trained under regarding VAJ? I'm belted in VAJ having trained under John Petrone out of the Defense Institute in Colorado Springs. I've also trained under David James in NYC. So I know the ins and outs and the whos who of the VAJ system. It's a very select few people and I hardly doubt anyone from the system is a full time getbig member. LOL. ::) If I'm wrong my apologies. VAJ is the best street self defense system out there. So kick ass if you really are trained in it.
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Guys, last night in my self defense class we had a new guy who is an air force guy and we were asking him some questions, etc etc.
The main instructor asked him if he was ordered to use drones on right wingers, teabaggers, and people the government said were "anti-government, even though they were American Citizens, if he would.
Without a flinch and barely a milisecond, he said, "Absolutely, fuck'em."
I spoke to the instructor today about it and he was as disturbed as I was and said he is going to ask the guy leave next week after that.
I personally was shocked at how matter of fact this guy said that and was a bit disturbed over that.
Thoughts?
He's saying he would follow an unlawful order, which he has no obligation to do. Someone like that shouldn't be wearing the uniform.
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Straw - serious question, play along:
Lets assume the GOP were to win huge majorities in 2010 and 2012 and Palin were win the Presidency in 2012. The GOP now has all three branches and almost veto proof majority. In the first year Palin:
1. Ban abortion
2. Bay gay marriage
3. Ban sodomy.
4. End the EEOC, NEA, EPA, DHS, etc
5. Pursue a nationwide CCW
How would you feel?
I stopped reading there.
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Straw thinks us RW'ers are over reacting to Obama's overall agenda and are too tense.
I was trying to explain to him the equivelent feeling for LW'ers would have under similar circumstances.
The left is already used to being attacked by the military
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He's saying he would follow an unlawful order, which he has no obligation to do. Someone like that shouldn't be wearing the uniform.
So how do you reconcile this statement with your previous statements about Ehren Watada?
So which is it... follow orders or no?
Or is it follow orders when Conservatives are in power, disobey them when Democrats are in power?
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So how do you reconcile this statement with your previous statements about Ehren Watada?
So which is it... follow orders or no?
Or is it follow orders when Conservatives are in power, disobey them when Democrats are in power?
Are you serious? What I said is there is no obligation to follow an unlawful order. That spineless traitor disobeyed a lawful order. He sent his subordinates off to get shot at while he sat behind a desk.
I hope I never run into him. I might get all "Billy" on him. :)
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Are you serious? What I said is there is no obligation to follow an unlawful order. That spineless traitor disobeyed a lawful order. He sent his subordinates off to get shot at while he sat behind a desk.
And if drones were ordered used on the American people, why do you assume it would be an unlawful order?
I hope I never run into him. I might get all "Billy" on him. :)
Why do I find the prospect of my 5 yr old neice throwing a temper tantrum to be far more intimidating than the idea of you getting all "Billy"? And by "Billy", do you mean retarded, irrational, lobotomized & rabid?
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And if drones were ordered used on the American people, why do you assume it would be an unlawful order?
Why do I find the prospect of my 5 yr old neice throwing a temper tantrum to be far more intimidating than the idea of you getting all "Billy"? And by "Billy", do you mean retarded, irrational, lobotomized & rabid?
Posse Comitatus.
Billy is sane and rational. I don't agree with everything he says and don't always agree with his approach, but he's just a no-nonsense dude. Says things that a lot of people think, but are afraid to say.
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I have already given out those details. I train under a guy named Col. Ridenhour and John Perkins. He also trains Gerald Celente.
The economic hitman John Perkins or another by the same name?
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oh yea, the story is distubing 3333. I agree with you. It's a story that Alex Jones has been covering for many years. I know many people here hate Alex for various reasons but what you posted is a confirmation of what he's been saying for a long time.
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The economic hitman John Perkins or another by the same name?
;D
Enquiring minds want to know.
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;D
Enquiring minds want to know.
I'm sure there are a shitload of John Perkins but I thought I would ask. Never know lol..
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I'm sure there are a shitload of John Perkins but I thought I would ask. Never know lol..
If it were the same guy, ...it would explain much about 333's peculiar behaviour wouldn't it? ;D
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If it were the same guy, ...it would explain much about 333's peculiar behaviour wouldn't it? ;D
quickest route to not getting an honest answer out of 3333 would be to post what you just posted.
From what I can see, Perkins is a guy that has left that shit in his past after clearing his conscience publically.
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Guys, last night in my self defense class we had a new guy who is an air force guy and we were asking him some questions, etc etc.
The main instructor asked him if he was ordered to use drones on right wingers, teabaggers, and people the government said were "anti-government, even though they were American Citizens, if he would.
Without a flinch and barely a milisecond, he said, "Absolutely, fuck'em."
I spoke to the instructor today about it and he was as disturbed as I was and said he is going to ask the guy leave next week after that.
I personally was shocked at how matter of fact this guy said that and was a bit disturbed over that.
Thoughts?
:o
I'm glad to know such questions are on peoples minds. Scary stuff, scary people...
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Well MonsVenus you are full of shit! You are not trained in VAJ since you have not responded to my post in this thread. Like I said.............WHO have you trained under in the VAJ system? I'm belted in VAJ and have trained under David James and John Petrone! Not cool bro!
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Most soldiers just follow any orders they are given. And instead of thinking about it they just say "Oh it must be ok". And they do it. Don't think, just do it.
A soldiers mentality....
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said he is going to ask the guy leave next week after that.
Typical neo-con bigotry on display.
Also.... typical thread backfire on display as well.
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Well MonsVenus you are full of shit! You are not trained in VAJ since you have not responded to my post in this thread. Like I said.............WHO have you trained under in the VAJ system? I'm belted in VAJ and have trained under David James and John Petrone! Not cool bro!
Mons Venus was exposed as a fake veteran a while ago.
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So let me get this straight.... you are condoning kicking a guy out of a private self-defense class that he presumeably paid good money for, because he as a government employee expressed a willingness to do his job?
What happened to the unconditional love of soldiers and other military types who follow orders? They're worthy of praise when they follow orders and kill people overseas without flinching, ...but when they express an inclination towards consistency (ie: killing whomever they are ordered to kill) they should be "kicked out" because you find it disturbing? What I find disturbing is the fact that you are only now just realizing the military will be used against whoever they choose to use it against regardless of whether the targets are foreign or domestic. You're just as mortal as everyone else. And the next time you see a pick of a naked Iraqi with a car battery tied to his genitals, remember: 'There but for the grace of God go I"
But cheer up tho... when the government's military drones open fire on you, ...you'll have health insurance to take the bullets out and cover your little stint in the hospital.
1. It's a private school so he can be kicked out if need be.
2. While Americans generally show love for our soldiers and vets, it doesn't mean that they shouldn't think for themselves and follow all orders. If the story is true I'm just as disturbed as 333 that an American would follow orders to harm other Americans.
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Mons Venus was exposed as a fake veteran a while ago.
Not only is he a fake veteran he's pretending to be trained in a self defense system that is a very niche system. I.e. it's only taught in four different places in the country.........Colorado Springs, New Jersey, RI, and NYC. What an epic moron.
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He continues to paint himself into a corner.
Served in a unit that had only one BN with service in Panama.....I got friends who were in that unit and could narrow him down
Says he's jump qualified but no wings
No Ranger tab yet implies he served with 3rd Bat...
No mention of the combat drop into Panama...many in that community consider the last real combat drop.....no "mustard stain"
And now some bs claim of some niche martial arts training.
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He continues to paint himself into a corner.
Served in a unit that had only one BN with service in Panama.....I got friends who were in that unit and could narrow him down
Says he's jump qualified but no wings
No Ranger tab yet implies he served with 3rd Bat...
No mention of the combat drop into Panama...many in that community consider the last real combat drop.....no "mustard stain"
And now some bs claim of some niche martial arts training.
speak on this...would you carry out the orders...