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How laughable and stupid of the republicans calling Obama the AntiChrist, when we all know it is CHENEY!!!!!! (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_aiSzqVSmgpU/R2l4HkW62VI/AAAAAAAAArw/E86Y0aWjNKs/s1600/Dick%2BCheney%2Bis%2Bthe%2BDevil.jpg)
Almost a quarter of Republicans think Obama 'may be the Antichrist' as 14 states sue over healthcare reforms
By David Gardner
Last updated at 10:23 PM on 24th March 2010
Americans who suggest Barack Obama should rot in hell are apparently deadly serious.
Nearly a quarter of Republicans believe the Democrat president 'may be the Antichrist', according to a survey.
An even greater number compared him to Hitler.
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Just another boys' club: Barack Obama, centre on the phone, is surrounded by male aides at the White House as they plot healthcare reform this week in a new image released today. The President has been compared to the Antichrist
Mr Obama was jubilant this week after securing his £626billion healthcare reform plan.
But his triumph seems only to have inflamed his critics among the evangelical Christians from America's heartland who kept George Bush in power for eight years and have demonised his successor.
More than half of the Republicans quizzed by Harris Poll, 57 per cent, believed the president was secretly Muslim, something he has consistently denied.
And 67 per cent of Republicans who responded believed Obama was a socialist, despite his central leanings.
The startling results came as lawyers representing 14 U.S. states filed lawsuits yesterday challenging an overhaul of the country's $2.5trillion healthcare system, minutes after President Barack Obama signed the landmark legislation.
One joint lawsuit by a dozen Republican attorneys general and a Democrat claims the sweeping reforms violate state-government rights in the U.S. Constitution and will force massive new spending on hard-pressed state governments.
Virginia went to court separately, while Missouri Republican Lieutenant Governor Peter Kinder said he would like to join the suit.
biden
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'A big f****** deal': Mr Biden (second left) gaffed as the president signed the historic healthcare reform bill
The joint suit, led by Florida, was filed with a federal court in Pensacola, according to the office of Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum.
In addition to McCollum, the Republican attorneys general from Alabama, Colorado, Idaho, Michigan, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah and Washington joined the suit.
The lawsuit says the law - which expands government health plans for the poor, imposes new taxes on the wealthy and requires insurers to cover people with pre-existing medical conditions - violates the Constitution's commerce clause by requiring nearly all Americans to buy health insurance.
Mr McCollum said: 'It forces people to do something - in the sense of buying a healthcare policy or paying a penalty, a tax or a fine - that simply the Constitution does not allow Congress to do.'
Mr McCollum, who is seeking the Republican nomination to run for Florida governor, said the healthcare reforms would add $1.6billion to Florida's spending on the Medicaid health program for the poor.
The Justice Department, which is responsible for defending U.S. law in court, pledged to vigorously fight any challenges to the new healthcare law.
'We are confident that this statute is constitutional and we will prevail,' said Justice spokesman Charles Miller.
The White House agreed the suits would fail.
'There have been hearings about the constitutionality of the law, and I think there's pretty much widespread agreement that it is constitutional,' Nancy-Ann DeParle, director of the White House Office of Health Reform, said.
'I think we have governors who might be aiming for higher office who are starting to just send a message.'
The suits were filed just moments after Mr Obama signed the healthcare reforms into law.
But on the most historic occasion of his presidency so far, vice-president Joe Biden managed to put his foot in it.
Gaffe-prone Mr Biden inadvertently broadcast the F-word to America after he introduced the President to sign his much vaunted health reform bill into law yesterday.
After hugging Mr Obama at a a ceremony in the White House, Mr Biden leaned in and whispered in the President's ear: 'This is a big f****** deal.'
The remark was caught on microphones recording the event that was shown live across the country. By last night, the clip was being replayed all over the internet.
White House aides seemed to be unembarrassed, with press secretary Robert Gibbs later tweeting: 'Yes, Mr Vice-President, you're right.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1260195/U-S-healthcare-reform-14-rebel-states-sue.html#ixzz0jLPHH6Cn
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LOL how many libs thought bush was? hahahahaah
havent you started many threads about how the illuminati bullshit is controlling the presidents and how they are satanists or something?
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LOL how many libs thought bush was? hahahahaah
havent you started many threads about how the illuminati bullshit is controlling the presidents and how they are satanists or something?
Cheney is a better CT
the much larger problem (for Repubs) is that ~ 25% believe in this antichrist thing
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the much larger problem (for Repubs) is that ~ 25% believe in this antichrist thing
thts fckin crazy
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Cheney is a better CT
the much larger problem (for Repubs) is that ~ 25% believe in this antichrist thing
I suppose youd like to get into another debate that ends in you not being able to disprove religion?
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I suppose youd like to get into another debate that ends in you not being able to disprove religion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
hahahhahha you see thats your problem I dont say I know God exists I believe he does...you on the other hand run around acting as if its a fact he doesnt...
you see when you have 2 opposing hypothesis and one cant be proven that doesnt mean that the other one is proven...that means that if falls in the grey area
whether I can prove my arguement or not is not the problem as I openly admit im not sure, its whether you can prove yours
in other words from your own link no less
The argument from ignorance,[1] also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance"[1][2]), or negative evidence,[1] is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true.
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oh ya forgot to add one of these ;)
nice try though hoss
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oh ya forgot to add one of these ;)
nice try though hoss
sorry I felt lazy
I assume you didn't bother to click on the link and read it
right?
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in other words from your own link no less
The argument from ignorance,[1] also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance"[1][2]), or negative evidence,[1] is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true.
apparently hoss you didnt read it ;)
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apparently hoss you didnt read it ;)
sorry
maybe I misunderstand
what exact point are you trying to make?
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I suppose youd like to get into another debate that ends in you not being able to disprove religion?
just say no and go to bed bud
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just say no and go to bed bud
it's only 11:07 where I live
let's review
I WROTE:
Cheney is a better CT
the much larger problem (for Repubs) is that ~ 25% believe in this antichrist thing
YOU WROTE
I suppose youd like to get into another debate that ends in you not being able to disprove religion?
I don't get what point you're trying to make
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LOL nevermind just please dont use that arguement from ignorance line again as hopefully you see that you are guilty of that as well ;)
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LOL nevermind just please dont use that arguement from ignorance line again as hopefully you see that you are guilty of that as well ;)
stop offering an argument from ignorance and I'll stop pointing it out
deal?
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stop offering an argument from ignorance and I'll stop pointing it out
deal?
LOL again read your own link
your argument is based off that, do you not understand this fact?
I openly admit Im not sure, do you?
from your own link brainchild...
"The argument from ignorance,[1] also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance"[1][2]), or negative evidence,[1] is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true."
can you prove there is no God? no well then believing so only b/c I cannot prove there is one is an argument from ignorance
LOL talk about ignorance, how do I have to explain your own concept to you?
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LOL again read your own link
you arguement is based off that, do you not understand this fact?
I openly admit Im not sure, do you?
from your own link brainchild...
"The argument from ignorance,[1] also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance"[1][2]), or negative evidence,[1] is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true."
can you prove there is no God? no well then believing so only b/c I cannot prove there is one is an argument from ignorance
LOL talk about ignorance, how do I have to explain your own concept to you?
what fact?
your point is I can't disprove the "anti-christ"?
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what fact?
your point is I can't disprove the "anti-christ"?
what was your point in posting that link?
And no you can't disprove the anti christ just like you can't disprove God, so you saying there is no God simply bc it hasn't been proven is what straw? Come big boy you can do it connect the dots
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what was your point in posting that link?
And no you can't disprove the anti christ just like you can't disprove God, so you saying there is no God simply bc it hasn't been proven is what straw? Come big boy you can do it connect the dots
the fact that you can't disprove something is not in any way proof that it exists
I don't need to disprove the concept of an "anticrhris" in order to not believe it
that's the point
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Roughly 1/2 the country is republican
So, 1 in 8 people you see on the street believes our President is one under the direct control of the Devil, who will lead the abomination in the end times.
LMAO...
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Roughly 1/2 the country is republican
So, 1 in 8 people you see on the street believes our President is one under the direct control of the Devil, who will lead the abomination in the end times.
LMAO...
you have to factor in the people who don't vote as well
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the fact that you can't disprove something is not in any way proof that it exists
I don't need to disprove the concept of an "anticrhris" in order to not believe it
that's the point
and the fact I can't prove God exists is not in anyway proof that he doesnt ;)
and I never said that bc you can't disprove him proves him...
Again read your link
what was the point of posting that link again?
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and the fact I can't prove God exists is not in anyway proof that he doesnt ;)
and I never said that bc you can't disprove him proves him...
Again read your link
what was the point of posting that link again?
when did we start talking about God
I don't even know what God you're talking about
you were the one who brought up not being able to DISPROVE something as if that were PROOF of something or a reason to BELIEVE something
did I misunderstand you?
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when did we start talking about God
I don't even know what God you're talking about
you were the one who brought up not being able to DISPROVE something as if that were PROOF of something or a reason to BELIEVE something
did I misunderstand you?
LOL are you drunk Im going to have this thread stickied as a shining example of why not to drunk post...
you said it was a larger problem that 25% of reps believed in the anti christ...an obvious shot at religion...I asked if you wanted to waste time b/c you cant disprove religion....you posted a link that basically kills your argument...you have then began to side step, act dumb, and dance around the fact you owned yourself ;)
answer the question why did you post the link?
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LOL are you drunk Im going to have this thread stickied as a shining example of why not to drunk post...
you said it was a larger problem that 25% of reps believed in the anti christ...an obvious shot at religion...I asked if you wanted to waste time b/c you cant disprove religion....you posted a link that basically kills your argument...you have then began to side step, act dumb, and dance around the fact you owned yourself ;)
answer the question why did you post the link?
I'm completely sober
I've pointed out repeatedly that not being able to disprove something is not a reason to consider believing it and is a logical fallacy
I assume you don't believe in Allah and don't really spend much time thinking about whether you should or should not based on the fact that you can't dissprove it
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I'm completely sober
I've pointed out repeatedly that not being able to disprove something is not a reason to consider believing it and is a logical fallacy
I assume you don't believe in Allah and don't really spend much time thinking about whether you should or should not based on the fact that you can't dissprove it
and ive pointed out repeatedly and so has the LINK YOU POSTED that simply not being able to prove something doesnt mean it doesnt exist and doing so is the SAME LOGICAL FALLACY ;)
do you understand that or do I NEED TO QUOTE YOUR OWN LINK AGAIN?
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and ive pointed out repeatedly and so has the LINK YOU POSTED that simply not being able to prove something doesnt mean it doesnt exist and doing so is the SAME LOGICAL FALLACY ;)
do you understand that or do I NEED TO QUOTE YOUR OWN LINK AGAIN?
yes - quote it again because you're the one making the same mistake over and over
I don't believe in the antichrist
I don't need to worry that I can't disprove it in order to not believe it
I don't believe it solely because I have no proof that it exists
do you get it (I'm going to guess no)
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yet again
I say it's not true because I have no proof
that's the only reason I need
you're the one that brought up the fallacious argument that it can't be proven untrue
right?
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yes - quote it again because you're the one making the same mistake over and over
I don't believe in the antichrist
I don't need to worry that I can't disprove it in order to not believe it
I don't believe it solely because I have no proof that it exists
do you get it (I'm going to guess no)
"The argument from ignorance,[1] also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance"[1][2]), or negative evidence,[1] is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true."[/glow]
;) ;) ;)
so youre agreeing that you dont know for a FACT God doesnt exist?
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yet again
I say it's not true because I have no proof
that's the only reason I need
you're the one that brought up the fallacious argument that it can't be proven untrue
right?
it cant be proven untrue but thats not my reasoning for believing in it...you on the other hand say it doesnt exist b/c there is no proof which is a argument from ignorance...you have to have proof it doesnt exist to exclude your belief from the argument of ignorance or admit that you dont know ... ;) ;) ;)
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so as you probably wont agree to say your stance is based in the argument of ignorance you land in the I dont know section, so Ill refer you back to my original post ;)
I suppose youd like to get into another debate that ends in you not being able to disprove religion?
It takes you a while straw but eventually youll make it around the circle ;) keep trying buddy
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"The argument from ignorance,[1] also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance"[1][2]), or negative evidence,[1] is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true."[/glow]
;) ;) ;)
so youre agreeing that you dont know for a FACT God doesnt exist?
how many times do I need to keep explaining it to you
I can't prove that god does not exist (same goes for the anti christ, allah, and the Easter Bunny)
and that doesn't matter in the argument
the fact that it can't be proven not to exist is not proof or evidence (or anything) that it does exist
weren't you the one who tried to make that arguement in the first place?
I suppose youd like to get into another debate that ends in you not being able to disprove religion?
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how many times do I need to keep explaining it to you
I can't prove that god does not exist (same goes for the anti christ, allah, and the Easter Bunny)
and that doesn't matter in the argument
the fact that it can't be proven not to exist is not proof or evidence (or anything) that it does exist
weren't you the one who tried to make that arguement in the first place?
I agree with this but the problem you see is that in your mind you think that b/c you have no proof its reason to believe it doesnt exist...this is a logical fallacy the fallacy called the argument of ignorance...do you understand that?
you have to have proof it doesnt exist to believe it doesnt without falling prey to this fallacy otherwise you simply dont know...
I say it's not true because I have no proof
this is an example of the logical fallacy known as the argument from ignorance ;)
do you understand that?
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you always have had a problem with logic bro
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I agree with this but the problem you see is that in your mind you think that b/c you have no proof its reason to believe it doesnt exist...this is a logical fallacy the fallacy called the argument of ignorance...do you understand that?
you have to have proof it doesnt exist to believe it doesnt without falling prey to this fallacy otherwise you simply dont know...
this is an example of the logical fallacy known as the argument from ignorance ;)
do you understand that?
do you understand the you introduced the argument that I couldn't disprove the anti christ......therefore... ....???
what was your point again in bringing that up????
Why do you think not being able to disprove something matters?
You can't disprove the Easter Bunny right?
Am I giving you that as a reason why you should consider not being so quick to not believe or even worse to act like that's a reason or proof that you can't rule it out?
would you laugh at that argument?
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do you understand the you introduced the argument that I couldn't disprove the anti christ......therefore... ....???
what was your point again in bringing that up????
Why do you think not being able to disprove something matters?
You can't disprove the Easter Bunny right?
Am I giving you that as a reason why you should consider not being so quick to not believe or even worse to act like that's a reason or proof that you can't rule it out?
would you laugh at that argument?
I did bring up the fact that you cant disprove the anti christ but I never said thats a reason I believe in him did I? find me a post where i say that
I brought it up b/c you believe that b/c I cant prove him that its reason to not believe in him which is the logical fallacy the argument from ignorance....
I dont use that as proof that God does exist but you do use the fact you cant prove God as reason to believe he doesnt again the argument from ignorance...
Im telling you this so you wont be so quick to judge and jump to conclusions commiting the fallacy of the argument of ignoranc like you are now...
answer the question do you understand how your belief is commintting the fallacy the argument of ignorance?
Ive shown it to you many times....
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I did bring up the fact that you cant disprove the anti christ but I never said thats a reason I believe in him did I? find me a post where i say that
I brought it up b/c you believe that b/c I cant prove him that its reason to not believe in him which is the logical fallacy the argument from ignorance....
I dont use that as proof that God does exist but you do use the fact you cant prove God as reason to believe he doesnt again the argument from ignorance...
Im telling you this so you wont be so quick to judge and jump to conclusions commiting the fallacy of the argument of ignoranc like you are now...
answer the question do you understand how your belief is commintting the fallacy the argument of ignorance?
Ive shown it to you many times....
pay attention
I said that the larger problem for the Repubs is not that (a poll shows) that ~ 25% of their members believe that Obama is the antichrist but that 25% of their members believe in this thing called the anti christ
you then introduced the argument that I could not disprove religion
I suppose youd like to get into another debate that ends in you not being able to disprove religion?
so what?
that argument is meaningless
right?
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how many times do I need to keep explaining it to you
I can't prove that god does not exist (same goes for the anti christ, allah, and the Easter Bunny)
and that doesn't matter in the argument
the fact that it can't be proven not to exist is not proof or evidence (or anything) that it does exist
weren't you the one who tried to make that arguement in the first place?
Nuh uh... the easter bunny is very, very real mister
(http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctentertainment/upload/2009/04/easter%20bunny.gif)
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pay attention
I said that the larger problem for the Repubs is not that (a poll shows) that ~ 25% of their members believe that Obama is the antichrist but that 25% of their members believe in this thing called the anti christ
you then introduced the argument that I could not disprove religion
so what?
that argument is meaningless
right?
LMFAOROTFLC its only useless if I use it as a reason to believe in GOD which I do not
you however use the idea that b/c God hasnt been proven that he doesnt exits...again commiting the fallacy of an argument from ignorance...again how do I have to explain your own link?
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I say it's not true because I have no proof
"The argument from ignorance,[1] also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance"[1][2]), or negative evidence,[1] is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true."[/glow]
your own words and from your own link
let me see if I can explain this again...In science or logic when you have a question thats lets say a yes/no question or true/false question and the answer is deemed to not be one answer it doesnt mean that the answer is the opposite choice...you have to have proof to support your argument
your proof right now is a lack of proof which is not proof...hence commiting the argument from ignorance.
try actually taking a logic class or reading a book on it straw instead of getting article from wiki(LOL) to support your stance only to have it show you to be commiting the same fallacy ;)
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LMFAOROTFLC its only useless if I use it as a reason to believe in GOD which I do not
you however use the idea that b/c God hasnt been proven that he doesnt exits...again commiting the fallacy of an argument from ignorance...again how do I have to explain your own link?
you're the one who used the fallacy
I merely pointed it out
what point where you trying to make when you wrote this:
I suppose youd like to get into another debate that ends in you not being able to disprove religion?
I can't disprove that there is a tribe of giant cyclops's living on the dark side of the moon either
not being able to disprove it is not a reason to believe
how many more times would you like to ride this merry-go-round?
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you're the one who used the fallacy
I merely pointed it out
what point where you trying to make when you wrote this:
I can't disprove that there is a tribe of giant cyclops's living on the dark side of the moon either
not being able to disprove it is not a reason to believe
how many more times would you like to ride this merry-go-round?
no brain child I did not commit the fallacy show me, SHOW ME WHERE I USED THAT AS REASONING FOR MY BELIEFS
we do however have your ignorant ass using no proof as proof that God doesnt exist...again commiting the fallacy of an argument from ignorance ;)
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no brain child I did not commit the fallacy show me, SHOW ME WHERE I USED THAT AS REASONING FOR MY BELIEFS
we do however have your ignorant ass using no proof as proof that God doesnt exist...again commiting the fallacy of an argument from ignorance ;)
I've been asking you what your "reasoning" was on this entire thread
I don't even know what the phrase "disprove religion" even means
Let's just jump ahead and say I can't "disprove religion"
what woudl be the signficance of that? (hint - I already gave you the answer in this thread)
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I've been asking you what your "reasoning" was on this entire thread
I don't even know what the phrase "disprove religion" even means
Let's just jump ahead and say I can't "disprove religion"
what woudl be the signficance of that? (hint - I already gave you the answer in this thread)
Ill take that as you cant show me where I used that as reasoning for my beliefs then? ;) ;D :o shocking I know
LOL no youve given a hint to the even greater ignorance of yourself... ;)
the point is you shouldnt ridicule or insult ppl for beliveing in religion simply b/c you FEEL(thats right feel b/c again you have no proof correct?) there is no God
you like to ridicule ppl over something that you cannot prove...
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The president should start wearing blue hats, LOL!
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Ill take that as you cant show me where I used that as reasoning for my beliefs then? ;) ;D :o shocking I know
LOL no youve given a hint to the even greater ignorance of yourself... ;)
the point is you shouldnt ridicule or insult ppl for beliveing in religion simply b/c you FEEL(thats right feel b/c again you have no proof correct?) there is no God
you like to ridicule ppl over something that you cannot prove...
that's your point?
why didn't you say so
why did you resort to a classical logical fallacy and then try to pretend you didn't?
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(http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/images/blog/liev-schreiber-manchurian-candidate.jpg)
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The Antichrist will come from the revived Roman Empire (European Union), so that pretty much strikes Obama off the list.
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that's your point?
why didn't you say so
why did you resort to a classical logical fallacy and then try to pretend you didn't?
show me where i used the classical logical fallacy...waiting....
we do however have a prime example here in this thread from you... ;)
I say it's not true because I have no proof
that's the only reason I need
and from your own link no less
"The argument from ignorance,[1] also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance"[1][2]), or negative evidence,[1] is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true."
again try understanding logic instead of using wiki links ;D
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Straw Man "The post office is doing fine"
Enough said.
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Straw Man "The post office is doing fine"
Enough said.
;D
straw should change his name to ostrich and put a picture of one with its head in the sand as his avatar... ;D
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show me where i used the classical logical fallacy...waiting....
sure - did you miss it the other times I posted it:
I suppose youd like to get into another debate that ends in you not being able to disprove religion?
what point are you trying to make by saying I am not able to disprove religion?
we do however have a prime example here in this thread from you... ;)
and from your own link no less
"The argument from ignorance,[1] also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance"[1][2]), or negative evidence,[1] is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true."
again try understanding logic instead of using wiki links ;D
prior to your post the only statement I made was that the Repubs bigger problem is that 25% of them believe in this ghing called the anti christ. I didn't say my belief was proven and I didn't offer any evidence or reason why you needed to agree with it.
your response to that statement was to suggest that since I couldn't "disprove religion" that ......what?
what were you trying to say . what was the point of that statement?
You're right though, later on when I said it's not true because I have no proof that it exists I made the exact same fallacy that you did earlier
lack of proof doesn't mean it's false and not being able to disprove it doesn't mean it's true
I still don't believe in the Easter Bunny and I'm guessing you're not ruling it out that it exists
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sure - did you miss it the other times I posted it:
what point are you trying to make by saying I am not able to disprove religion?
prior to your post the only statement I made was that the Repubs bigger problem is that 25% of them believe in this ghing called the anti christ. I didn't say my belief was proven and I didn't offer any evidence or reason why you needed to agree with it.
your response to that statement was to suggest that since I couldn't "disprove religion" that ......what?
what were you trying to say . what was the point of that statement?
You're right though, later on when I said it's not true because I have no proof that it exists I made the exact same fallacy that you did earlier
lack of proof doesn't mean it's false and not being able to disprove it doesn't mean it's true
I still don't believe in the Easter Bunny and I'm guessing you're not ruling it out that it exists
Finally thank you for admitting that you yourself commited the fallacy
now as for me I honestly do not use the fact you cannot disprove God as reason for me to believe in God check my past posts and the religion board. Ive also had this conversation many many times which is also why I asked you if you wanted to have a conversation that ended in you not being able to disprove the antichrist.
You see non religious ppl have the idea that God doesnt exist even though they cant prove it and then turn around and ridicule ppl who believe in religinon b/c it cant be proven...seems hypocritical doesnt it?
you show me where I used it in this thread and not just your assumption that I used it show me I used it as clearly as Ive shown youve used it. Ill even accept quotes from other threads or other boards b/c you see its like I said I dont base my beliefs off the idea that you cant disprove God so that means that God doesnt exist.
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Finally thank you for admitting that you yourself commited the fallacy
now as for me I honestly do not use the fact you cannot disprove God as reason for me to believe in God check my past posts and the religion board. Ive also had this conversation many many times which is also why I asked you if you wanted to have a conversation that ended in you not being able to disprove the antichrist.
You see non religious ppl have the idea that God doesnt exist even though they cant prove it and then turn around and ridicule ppl who believe in religinon b/c it cant be proven...seems hypocritical doesnt it?
you show me where I used it in this thread and not just your assumption that I used it show me I used it as clearly as Ive shown youve used it. Ill even accept quotes from other threads or other boards b/c you see its like I said I dont base my beliefs off the idea that you cant disprove God so that means that God doesnt exist.
tell me what you meant by your quote which I've posted ~ 4 times now
I suppose youd like to get into another debate that ends in you not being able to disprove religion?
what does me not being able to disprove religion have to do with the topic at hand (the antichrist)
while you're at it go back to the beginning of the thread and note that prior to your post and our discussion I never made any statement that you or anyone should believe my point of view or that I'd proven anything
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tell me what you meant by your quote which I've posted ~ 4 times now
what does me not being able to disprove religion have to do with the topic at hand (the antichrist)
while you're at it go back to the beginning of the thread and note that prior to your post and our discussion I never made any statement that you or anyone should believe my point of view or that I'd proven anything
LOL *sigh
Again you ridicule ppl for believing in something they cannot prove, yet you believe there is no Antichrist even though you cant prove it...again does that not seem hypocritical? THIS IS MY POINT!!!!!!!!!!
I as well have not said that you shold believe my point of view or that Id proven anything...That is why I say I believe in God, not that I know there is a God...You however say that its not true as in you know its not true, not that you believe it not to be true...
Ill give you another one straw as I know you cant prove any of your points in this thread thus far. Give me a quote of mine where I say I know God exists from this or any other thread...
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LOL *sigh
Again you ridicule ppl for believing in something they cannot prove, yet you believe there is no Antichrist even though you cant prove it...again does that not seem hypocritical? THIS IS MY POINT!!!!!!!!!!
I as well have not said that you shold believe my point of view or that Id proven anything...That is why I say I believe in God, not that I know there is a God...You however say that its not true as in you know its not true, not that you believe it not to be true...
Ill give you another one straw as I know you cant prove any of your points in this thread thus far. Give me a quote of mine where I say I know God exists from this or any other thread...
I feel fine ridiculing people who believe Obama is the antichrist and also people who believe in the antichrist
I never said you had to agree with me and I never said I had proven my belief was true
why should I care that, as you say "I can't dissprove religion"
isn't that fallacious and irrelevent?
I thought we had agreed on that
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I feel fine ridiculing people who believe Obama is the antichrist and also people who believe in the antichrist
I never said you had to agree with me and I never said I had proven my belief was true
why should I care that, as you say "I can't dissprove religion"
isn't that fallacious and irrelevent?
I thought we had agreed on that
I know you do just like to point out the hypocrisy is all ;)
You did say however that its true b/c you have no proof and thats all you need or do you need me to link the quote yet again?
its relevant when you ridicule other ppl in believing in something without proof yet you yourself believe in something without proof... ;)
do you need to wiki hypocrisy?
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I know you do just like to point out the hypocrisy is all ;)
You did say however that its true b/c you have no proof and thats all you need or do you need me to link the quote yet again?
its relevant when you ridicule other ppl in believing in something without proof yet you yourself believe in something without proof... ;)
do you need to wiki hypocrisy?
I have no problem ridiculing people who believe Obama is the antichrist, etc.
didn't I already make that clear?
now tell what difference it makes if I can't dissprove religion?
isn't that a bullshit statement?
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I have no problem ridiculing people who believe Obama is the antichrist, etc.
didn't I already make that clear?
now tell what difference it makes if I can't dissprove religion?
isn't that a bullshit statement?
LMFAO
why do you have no problem ridiculing ppl who believe obama is the antichrist?
I know its beyond you that some ppl may ask a question with a plan in mind when debating but us analytical ppl think things through. ;)
wiki hypocrisy and you might get a clue although going off how your last wiki link worked out maybe not ;)
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LMFAO
why do you have no problem ridiculing ppl who believe obama is the antichrist?
I know its beyond you that some ppl may ask a question with a plan in mind when debating but us analytical ppl think things through. ;)
wiki hypocrisy and you might get a clue although going off how your last wiki link worked out maybe not ;)
I don't have a problem with it
haven't I mentioned that already
where is the hypocrisy?
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I don't have a problem with it
haven't I mentioned that already
where is the hypocrisy?
why dont you have a problem with it...I know you have trouble reading as shown in your posting of the wiki link fiasco but try again
WHY dont you have a problem with it?
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why dont you have a problem with it...I know you have trouble reading as shown in your posting of the wiki link fiasco but try again
WHY dont you have a problem with it?
where is the hypocrisy you mentioned?
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where is the hypocrisy you mentioned?
answer the question...why do you have no problem ridiculing those who believe obama is the antichrist?
the hypocrisy is in you ridiculing ppl for their beliefs b/c they cant be proven...yet you having beliefs that cant be proven LMFAOROTLC
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answer the question...why do you have no problem ridiculing those who believe obama is the antichrist?
the hypocrisy is in you ridiculing ppl for their beliefs b/c they cant be proven...yet you having beliefs that cant be proven LMFAOROTLC
You mean like the post poffice being on great shape? So far that belief of straw's cant be proven from what I can tell.
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answer the question...why do you have no problem ridiculing those who believe obama is the antichrist?
the hypocrisy is in you ridiculing ppl for their beliefs b/c they cant be proven...yet you having beliefs that cant be proven LMFAOROTLC
I don't have a problem with it because I think it's silly
now
what is this hypocrisy you've claimed?
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I don't have a problem with it because I think it's silly
now
what is this hypocrisy you've claimed?
LOL you have to forgive me straw as somebody who has studied pyschology Im naturally curious and feel that nobody does or feels something without reason...
so why do you think its silly?
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LOL you have to forgive me straw as somebody who has studied pyschology Im naturally curious and feel that nobody does or feels something without reason...
so why do you think its silly?
I answered your question now you answer mine
what is the hypocrisy you claimed?
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I answered your question now you answer mine
what is the hypocrisy you claimed?
I already have...Im simply in the process of proving it to you
again why do you think its silly?
indulge me straw, why?
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LOL are you drunk Im going to have this thread stickied as a shining example of why not to drunk post...
you said it was a larger problem that 25% of reps believed in the anti christ...an obvious shot at religion...I asked if you wanted to waste time b/c you cant disprove religion....you posted a link that basically kills your argument...you have then began to side step, act dumb, and dance around the fact you owned yourself ;)
answer the question why did you post the link?
Tony, you really need to study Russell's Tea Pot.
If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is an intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.[1]
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LOL you have to forgive me straw as somebody who has studied pyschology Im naturally curious and feel that nobody does or feels something without reason...
so why do you think its silly?
I should note that b/c you think its silly isnt the reason...you see there is a reason that you think its silly and thats the one Im after
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I already have...Im simply in the process of proving it to you
again why do you think its silly?
indulge me straw, why?
I don't remember
state it again
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Uhm, kids, we're kidding here, right? ???
No one really believes in this Anti-Christ silliness, do they? ???
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Tony, you really need to study Russell's Tea Pot.
already have you see but you also need to study it b/c again simply not having proof doesnt prove your argument that God doesnt exist...
you have to disprove God to prove that God doesnt exist otherwise it falls into the I dont know category
your a educator deciede, you should know that simply disproving the alternative hypothesis doesnt prove the null you need proof of the null ;)
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I don't remember
state it again
the hypocrisy is in you ridiculing ppl for their beliefs b/c they cant be proven...yet you having beliefs that cant be proven LMFAOROTLC
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already have you see but you also need to study it b/c again simply not having proof doesnt prove your argument that God doesnt exist...
you have to disprove God to prove that God doesnt exist otherwise it falls into the I dont know category
your a educator deciede, you should know that simply disproving the alternative hypothesis doesnt prove the null you need proof of the null ;)
We live in a world of liklihood and probability and the Christian god is as likely as Zeus, Thor, Ashur or any other dead god of the past and should be treated as such, unless you are willing advocate their probability as well.
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Uhm, kids, we're kidding here, right? ???
No one really believes in this Anti-Christ silliness, do they? ???
according to this poll ~ 25% of Repubs believe that Obama is the antichrist
I'm guessing it's likely that there is larger group who believes in the antichrist but isn't sure, JUST YET, if Obama is the antichrist
just a guess
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according to this poll ~ 25% of Repubs believe that Obama is the antichrist
I'm guessing it's likely that there is larger group who believes in the antichrist but isn't sure, JUST YET, if Obama is the antichrist
just a guess
It's a different world, it is...I have no idea how anyone can believe in stuff like that.
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already have you see but you also need to study it b/c again simply not having proof doesnt prove your argument that God doesnt exist...
you have to disprove God to prove that God doesnt exist otherwise it falls into the I dont know category
your a educator deciede, you should know that simply disproving the alternative hypothesis doesnt prove the null you need proof of the null ;)
said the guy who wrote:
I suppose youd like to get into another debate that ends in you not being able to disprove religion?
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We live in a world of liklihood and probability and the Christian god is as likely as Zeus, Thor, Ashur or any other dead god of the past and should be treated as such, unless you are willing advocate their probability as well.
LOL youve been away to long bro, you forget that I have always said that I dont know that God exists I believe him to...
you have ppl straw being a prime example who says that its true, well if its true then you logically are able to prove it...otherwise as Ive shown you commit the logical fallacy of an argument from ignorance...
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said the guy who wrote:
LOL dude just stop posting now deicide is here to have a decent debate and represent your side in the argument and trust me he is far more qualified...
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LOL dude just stop posting now deicide is here to have a decent debate and represent your side in the argument and trust me he is far more qualified...
answer the question I asked about hypocrisy and I'll consider it
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answer the question I asked about hypocrisy and I'll consider it
LMFAO are you drunk again?
I already did, I am now waiting for you to answer why you feel believing in the anti christ is silly?
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LMFAO are you drunk again?
I already did, I am now waiting for you to answer why you feel believing in the anti christ is silly?
say it again
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say it again
for fuks sake go back a page ::)
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for fuks sake go back a page ::)
for fuks sake include a link or just fukin restate it again
what's so hard about that?
what is the hypocrisy you claim?
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for fuks sake include a link or just fukin restate it again
what's so hard about that?
what is the hypocrisy you claim?
FOR THE FUKING LAST TIME...
the hypocrisy is in you ridiculing ppl for their beliefs b/c they cant be proven...yet you having beliefs that cant be proven LMFAOROTLC
NOW enlighten us as to why you feel its silly?
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LOL youve been away to long bro, you forget that I have always said that I dont know that God exists I believe him to...
you have ppl straw being a prime example who says that its true, well if its true then you logically are able to prove it...otherwise as Ive shown you commit the logical fallacy of an argument from ignorance...
Where exactly is this supposed to leave us? Are we to errect temples now to Zeus because he is equally likely as the Christian deity?
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FOR THE FUKING LAST TIME...
NOW enlighten us as to why you feel its silly?
why is that hypcocrisy?
did I say you should believe it
did I say I've proven my point of view
aren't you the one who thinks "you can't disprove religion" means something?
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Where exactly is this supposed to leave us? Are we to errect temples now to Zeus because he is equally likely as the Christian deity?
you can if you feel the need to, I wont ridicule you as you and yours ridicule others ;)
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why is that hypcocrisy?
did I say you should believe it
did I say I've proven my point of view
aren't you the one who thinks "you can't disprove religion" means something?
do yourself a favor and wiki hypocrisy ;)
when you get done with that and understand it I will continue your education... ;)
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do yourself a favor and wiki hypocrisy ;)
when you get done with that and understand it I will continue your education... ;)
what hypocrisy?
you can ridicule whoever you want too
just don't expect me to ignore bullshit statements like "you can't disprove religion"
deal?
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you can if you feel the need to, I wont ridicule you as you and yours ridicule others ;)
You should, such things are worthy of ridicule.
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what hypocrisy?
you can ridicule whoever you want too
just don't expect me to ignore bullshit statements like "you can't disprove religion"
deal?
LOL im not going through 3 pages to prove your being hypocritical like I did to show your ignorant ass you were guilty of using an argument from ignorance...lets just leave it alone I think the board and its posters are well aware of the ignorance that has been shown in this thread...you can ask your buddy deicide as he has a good grasp of logic and how it applies and by logic i dont mean reasoning straw I know you get the 2 confused ;)
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LOL im not going through 3 pages to prove your being hypocritical like I did to show your ignorant ass you were guilty of using an argument from ignorance...lets just leave it alone I think the board and its posters are well aware of the ignorance that has been shown in this thread...you can ask your buddy deicide as he has a good grasp of logic and how it applies and by logic i dont mean reasoning straw I know you get the 2 confused ;)
where is the hypocrisy you claim?
I've already admitted my error which was pages after your own
where is the hypocrisy again?
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where is the hypocrisy you claim?
I've already admitted my error which was pages after your own
where is the hypocrisy again?
where was my error again? you still havent produced that...
ive answered your question now its time for you to answer mine
why do you think it silly?
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answer the question...why do you have no problem ridiculing those who believe obama is the antichrist?
the hypocrisy is in you ridiculing ppl for their beliefs b/c they cant be proven...yet you having beliefs that cant be proven LMFAOROTLC
when did I say someone couldn't ridicule me for things I believe but can't prove
I believe the antichrist is silly
fire away
where is the hypocrisy?
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when did I say someone couldn't ridicule me for things I believe but can't prove
I believe the antichrist is silly
fire away
where is the hypocrisy?
why do you think its silly straw? dig deep bro, you can do it...dont go look at wiki for an answer its inside of you ;)
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when did I say someone couldn't ridicule me for things I believe but can't prove
I believe the antichrist is silly
fire away
where is the hypocrisy?
I don't agree with him but I think Tony's point is that in light of absolutely conclusive evidence one must, by default, be vigorously agnostic with regards to the Christian god (and it seems the Greek gods as well). I believe he thinks that you claiming that the antichrist is silly is 'hypocritical' because you cannot disprove the antichrist's existence.
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why do you think its silly straw? dig deep bro, you can do it...dont go look at wiki for an answer its inside of you ;)
it's not relevent to your claim of hypocrisy
where is the hypocrisy
come on man
simple stuff here
show me how I'm a hypocrite
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I don't agree with him but I think Tony's point is that in light of absolutely conclusive evidence one must, by default, be vigorously agnostic with regards to the Christian god (and it seems the Greek gods as well). I believe he thinks that you claiming that the antichrist is silly is 'hypocritical' because you cannot disprove the antichrist's existence.
is that your point Tony?
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I don't agree with him but I think Tony's point is that in light of absolutely conclusive evidence one must, by default, be vigorously agnostic with regards to the Christian god (and it seems the Greek gods as well). I believe he thinks that you claiming that the antichrist is silly is 'hypocritical' because you cannot disprove the antichrist's existence.
bolded is correct...
the hypocritical part is slightly off again its hypocritical to ridicule others for believing in something b/c they cant prove it and then believing in something yourself you cannot prove...
again straw take note of deicide he has a good grasp of logic and again Im refering to the scholarly logic not the ignorance you call logic which is actually simply your reasoning...theres a difference ;)
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it's not relevent to your claim of hypocrisy
where is the hypocrisy
come on man
simple stuff here
show me how I'm a hypocrite
oh but it is and besides induldge a curious soul, whats the harm?
weve rambled on for 5 pages now, whats the harm in rambling for another 1 or 2?
so please why do you believe it to be silly?
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bolded is correct...
the hypocritical part is slightly off again its hypocritical to ridicule others for believing in something b/c they cant prove it and then believing in something yourself you cannot prove...
again straw take note of deicide he has a good grasp of logic and again Im refering to the scholarly logic not the ignorance you call logic which is actually simply your reasoning...theres a difference ;)
so you're saying you can't ridicule Muslim suicide bombers or Christians who kill doctors etc...
I can't ridicule them because I can't prove they are wrong
the same goes for christians who think the POTUS might be the antichrist?
I can't riducule them either?
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did I ever say they couldn't ridicule me?
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bolded is correct...
the hypocritical part is slightly off again its hypocritical to ridicule others for believing in something b/c they cant prove it and then believing in something yourself you cannot prove...
again straw take note of deicide he has a good grasp of logic and again Im refering to the scholarly logic not the ignorance you call logic which is actually simply your reasoning...theres a difference ;)
so you're saying you're agnostic with regards to the Christion God ?
i.e. you doubt the existence of the Christian God
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so you're saying you can't ridicule Muslim suicide bombers or Christians who kill doctors etc...
I can't ridicule them because I can't prove they are wrong
the same goes for christians who think the POTUS might be the antichrist?
I can't riducule them either?
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did I ever say they couldn't ridicule me?
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SIGH...
from your favorite online intelligence database ::)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy
"Hypocrisy is the act of persistently pretending to hold beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually hold. Hypocrisy is thus a kind of lie.
For example, a man who complains of cars speeding down his street, but speeds himself would be considered a hypocrite"
or in other words ridiculing others for believing in something even though they have no proof and then believing in something without proof...Hypocrisy wahhhlaahhhh pooof your educated
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SIGH...
from your favorite online intelligence database ::)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy
"Hypocrisy is the act of persistently pretending to hold beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually hold. Hypocrisy is thus a kind of lie.
For example, a man who complains of cars speeding down his street, but speeds himself would be considered a hypocrite"
or in other words ridiculing others for believing in something even though they have no proof and then believing in something without proof...Hypocrisy wahhhlaahhhh pooof your educated
so by your standard if I believe something.....anything, that I can't prove then I can't ridicule someone else for also believeing something that they can't prove
even if I say I don't mind if they ridicule me
by your definition I still can't ridicule them
do I understand you correctly
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so by your standard if I believe something.....anything, that I can't prove then I can't ridicule someone else for also believeing something that they can't prove
even if I say I don't mind if they ridicule me
by your definition I still can't ridicule them
do I understand you correctly
first of all its not my definition its your favorite online databases...im just going by their take on it and if you follow the logic than if you do it makes you a hypocrite...
look around your local Community colleges straw Im sure they have intro logic classes that you could attend ;)
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first of all its not my definition its your favorite online databases...im just going by their take on it and if you follow the logic than if you do it makes you a hypocrite...
look around your local Community colleges straw Im sure they have intro logic classes that you could attend ;)
that is if you feel like it I know how you feel about ppl going back to college after recieving a degree ;)
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first of all its not my definition its your favorite online databases...im just going by their take on it and if you follow the logic than if you do it makes you a hypocrite...
look around your local Community colleges straw Im sure they have intro logic classes that you could attend ;)
I asked you about your opinion
you're the one that is calling me a hypocrite
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so by your standard if I believe something.....anything, that I can't prove then I can't ridicule someone else for also believeing something that they can't prove
even if I say I don't mind if they ridicule me
by your definition I still can't ridicule them
do I understand you correctly
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that is if you feel like it I know how you feel about ppl going back to college after recieving a degree ;)
I'm too busy working
I'll just depend on you to "teach" me logic
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I asked you about your opinion
you're the one that is calling me a hypocrite
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so by your standard if I believe something.....anything, that I can't prove then I can't ridicule someone else for also believeing something that they can't prove
even if I say I don't mind if they ridicule me
by your definition I still can't ridicule them
do I understand you correctly
ahhh back to talking at me I see...
you answer my question and then ill answer yours...thats how conversation works ;)
why do you believe it to be silly?
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I'm too busy working
I'll just depend on you to "teach" me logic
well I hope youre good at what you do, b/c you certainly lack basic logic and analytical skills...
also they have school at night and on weekends for ppl like me who have "bad planning" skills and need to work as well as go to school ;)
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ahhh back to talking at me I see...
you answer my question and then ill answer yours...thats how conversation works ;)
why do you believe it to be silly?
how is asking you about your opinion talking at you
why don't you just answer my questions and we can continue having a conversation
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how is asking you about your opinion talking at you
why don't you just answer my questions and we can continue having a conversation
its talking at me when you refuse to answer my questions but expect me to answer yours ;)
so again answer mine and ill answer yours... 8)
why do you believe that believing in the anti christ is silly?
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well I hope youre good at what you do, b/c you certainly lack basic logic and analytical skills...
also they have school at night and on weekends for ppl like me who have "bad planning" skills and need to work as well as go to school ;)
I only have an undergrad degree in finance but I'm doing pretty good
sorry your schooling has yielded much money for you yet
but at least can share your logic skills with us
are you agnostic to the Christian god as you agreed with Deicide you were?
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its talking at me when you refuse to answer my questions but expect me to answer yours ;)
so again answer mine and ill answer yours... 8)
why do you believe that believing in the anti christ is silly?
you never answer my questions
I have to repeat them over an over
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you never answer my questions
I have to repeat them over an over
LOL ive answer every question in this thread thus far and in a timely manner you havent seen the posts I quoted the one answer 4 or 5 times before you actually saw it...but for the sake of saving time lets say your right and I apologize.
now seeing as I asked my question first be so kind as to answer it and I will in turn answer yours.
why do you believe that believing in the anti christ is silly?
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I only have an undergrad degree in finance but I'm doing pretty good
sorry your schooling has yielded much money for you yet
but at least can share your logic skills with us
are you agnostic to the Christian god as you agreed with Deicide you were?
LOL Ive done just fine for myself straw but youre correct I probably could have done that without a degree as well. Hopefully you agree that school and learning serve more than simply to achieve monetary gains... :-\
I mean I wouldnt be able to make you look foolish had I not taking a logic class or two ;)
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LOL ive answer every question in this thread thus far and in a timely manner you havent seen the posts I quoted the one answer 4 or 5 times before you actually saw it...but for the sake of saving time lets say your right and I apologize.
now seeing as I asked my question first be so kind as to answer it and I will in turn answer yours.
why do you believe that believing in the anti christ is silly?
1. are you agnostic to in regards to the christian god (remember Deicide thought that was your point and you agreed so why not just say yes)
2. by your standard if I believe something.....anything, that I can't prove then I can't ridicule someone else for also believeing something that they can't prove
even if I say I don't mind if they ridicule me
by your definition I still can't ridicule them
do I understand you correctly?
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LOL Ive done just fine for myself straw but youre correct I probably could have done that without a degree as well. Hopefully you agree that school and learning serve more than simply to achieve monetary gains... :-\
I mean I wouldnt be able to make you look foolish had I not taking a logic class or two ;)
you actually took a logic class?
you should get your money back
now are you going to answer my questions or deflect yet again?
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1. are you agnostic to in regards to the christian god (remember Deicide thought that was your point and you agreed so why not just say yes)
2. by your standard if I believe something.....anything, that I can't prove then I can't ridicule someone else for also believeing something that they can't prove
even if I say I don't mind if they ridicule me
by your definition I still can't ridicule them
do I understand you correctly?
answer my question and I shall answer all of yours...
seeing as I asked my question first and multiple times no less I think it only polite...
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you actually took a logic class?
you should get your money back
now are you going to answer my questions or deflect yet again?
LMFAOROTLC ;D
I sure will as soon as you answer mine ;)
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answer my question and I shall answer all of yours...
seeing as I asked my question first and multiple times no less I think it only polite...
still afraid to answer simple questions (one of which you already answered so all I'm asking is for you to reaffirm)
I'm going to guess the answers for you
1. yes
2. yes
did I guess right?
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still afraid to answer simple questions (one of which you already answered so all I'm asking is for you to reaffirm)
I'm going to guess the answers for you
1. yes
2. yes
did I guess right?
Are you afraid to answer mine? ;)
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so why do you think its silly?
LOL from page 3...ive been asking since page 3 and youve done nothing but side step and deflect ;) ;D :o shocking I know
you seem to only want to see or hear what you want...post office is just fine, right? ;)
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Are you afraid to answer mine?
I've answered more of yours than you've answered mine
like I said, the first one you've already answered and I'm just asking for confirmation and the second one is basically a restatment of what you've already said
easy stuff for any self proclaimed logic master such as you
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I've answered more of yours than you've answered mine
like I said, the first one you've already answered and I'm just asking for confirmation and the second one is basically a restatment of what you've already said
easy stuff for any self proclaimed logic master such as you
LOL you answered one of mine ::)
now go back to page 3 where I originally asked you the question and answer it here... ;)
never proclaimed to be a logic master I mean how could I a person who clearly plans so poorly be a logic master? Im simply showing you the flaws in yours...
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LOL you answered one of mine ::)
now go back to page 3 where I originally asked you the question and answer it here... ;)
never proclaimed to be a logic master I mean how could I a person who clearly plans so poorly be a logic master? Im simply showing you the flaws in yours...
I'll trade you one for one
answer this and then I'll answer one of yours:
by your standard if I believe something.....anything, that I can't prove then I can't ridicule someone else for also believeing something that they can't prove
even if I say I don't mind if they ridicule me
by your definition I still can't ridicule them
do I understand you correctly?
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I'll trade you one for one
answer this and then I'll answer one of yours:
by your standard if I believe something.....anything, that I can't prove then I can't ridicule someone else for also believeing something that they can't prove
even if I say I don't mind if they ridicule me
by your definition I still can't ridicule them
do I understand you correctly?
sure one and one but its only fair that since mine was asked first you answer mine and then ill answer yours...
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sure one and one but its only fair that since mine was asked first you answer mine and then ill answer yours...
stop playing games
you're and man of faith (and somehow also an agnostic)
take a leap of faith
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stop playing games
you're and man of faith (and somehow also an agnostic)
take a leap of faith
LOL its simply manners bro...I asked you 2 pages ago 8)
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LOL its simply manners bro...I asked you 2 pages ago 8)
actually 3 now ;)
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actually 3 now ;)
what's your question?
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what's your question?
hahahaha
what do you think its silly that ppl believe in the anti christ or God for that matter?
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hahahaha
what do you think its silly that ppl believe in the anti christ or God for that matter?
I never said it was silly to believe in God
I think it's silly that people believe in the antchrist because I don't believe it exists (kind of like the Easter Bunny
now your turn
by your standard if I believe something.....anything, that I can't prove then I can't ridicule someone else for also believeing something that they can't prove
even if I say I don't mind if they ridicule me
by your definition I still can't ridicule them
do I understand you correctly?
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I never said it was silly to believe in God
I think it's silly that people believe in the antchrist because I don't believe it exists (kind of like the Easter Bunny
now your turn
by your standard if I believe something.....anything, that I can't prove then I can't ridicule someone else for also believeing something that they can't prove
even if I say I don't mind if they ridicule me
by your definition I still can't ridicule them
do I understand you correctly?
and the reason you think he doesnt exist is as we know is b/c you have no proof, yet you have no proof the anti christ or God doesnt exist and still believe that...you see the parallel?
now was that so hard?
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and the reason you think he doesnt exist is as we know you have no proof, yet you have no proof the anti christ or God doesnt exist and still believe that...you see the parallel? now was that so hard?
answer my question
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now your turn
by your standard if I believe something.....anything, that I can't prove then I can't ridicule someone else for also believeing something that they can't prove
even if I say I don't mind if they ridicule me
by your definition I still can't ridicule them
do I understand you correctly?
Gladly...and thank you for answering my question
Its a tad more complicated than that but in general terms ya, you see you believe that God doesnt exist even though you have no proof, yet ridicule ppl and for believing in him saying that the reason you think its silly is b/c they have no proof...
doesnt matter that you say you can ridicule me or not although that is nice of you to do...
and i never said you cant ridicule ppl you can do what ever you want to do but those things have consequences ...
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answer my question
straw straw straw Im a man of my word friend, If I say im going to do something Im going to do it. I simply didnt want to have to deal with the weird reply window that wont let me see what im typing.
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straw straw straw Im a man of my word friend, If I say im going to do something Im going to do it. I simply didnt want to have to deal with the weird reply window that wont let me see what im typing.
I'm sure we all have the deal with that (I do)
stop making excuses and answer the question
don't press "quote" just hit reply and you'll be fine
by your standard if I believe something.....anything, that I can't prove then I can't ridicule someone else for also believeing something that they can't prove
even if I say I don't mind if they ridicule me
by your definition I still can't ridicule them
do I understand you correctly?
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Gladly...and thank you for answering my question
Its a tad more complicated than that but in general terms ya, you see you believe that God doesnt exist even though you have no proof, yet ridicule ppl and for believing in him saying that the reason you think its silly is b/c they have no proof...
doesnt matter that you say you can ridicule me or not although that is nice of you to do...
and i never said you cant ridicule ppl you can do what ever you want to do but those things have consequences ...
Im not making excuses bro I already did you simply missed it, its ok you dont have to apologize(not that you would) Ill just repost it for you
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Im not making excuses bro I already did you simply missed it, its ok you dont have to apologize(not that you would) Ill just repost it for you
well somehow you've managed to post 3 times since I answered and still haven't answered my question
again
by your standard if I believe something.....anything, that I can't prove then I can't ridicule someone else for also believeing something that they can't prove
even if I say I don't mind if they ridicule me
by your definition I still can't ridicule them
do I understand you correctly?
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he isnt the antichrist, he is just a over hyped lieing sack of commie shit that is spineless and doesnt give a fuck about america or americans, he not important enough to be the antichrist though
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Gladly...and thank you for answering my question
Its a tad more complicated than that but in general terms ya, you see you believe that God doesnt exist even though you have no proof, yet ridicule ppl and for believing in him saying that the reason you think its silly is b/c they have no proof...
doesnt matter that you say you can ridicule me or not although that is nice of you to do...
and i never said you cant ridicule ppl you can do what ever you want to do but those things have consequences ...
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Tony,
I said I didn't believe the antichrist existed (why do you keep saying God)
Now
Yes or NO
by your standard if I believe something.....anything, that I can't prove then I can't ridicule someone else for also believeing something that they can't prove
even if I say I don't mind if they ridicule me
by your definition I still can't ridicule them
do I understand you correctly?
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Tony,
I said I didn't believe the antichrist existed (why do you keep saying God)
Now
Yes or NO
by your standard if I believe something.....anything, that I can't prove then I can't ridicule someone else for also believeing something that they can't prove
even if I say I don't mind if they ridicule me
by your definition I still can't ridicule them
do I understand you correctly?
no refer to my previous post in which i already answered you question... ;) LMFAO
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no refer to my previous post in which i already answered you question... ;) LMFAO
ok so the answer is No?
if so then how am I a hypocrite?
I ridicule people who believe in the antichrist (or that Obama is) and they can ridicule me for whatever they want and I have no problem with that
where's the hypocrisy?
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TONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if you are having a hard time communicating with straw its because you havent had a bottle of everclear, 8 zanex , fallen down 7 flights of stairs, and done 2 lines of coke, perhaps to be at his level you should try these, but make sure to do them all together cause one alone wont have you messed up enough
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TONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if you are having a hard time communicating with straw its because you havent had a bottle of everclear, 8 zanex , fallen down 7 flights of stairs, and done 2 lines of coke, perhaps to be at his level you should try these, but make sure to do them all together cause one alone wont have you messed up enough
hey man - I'm just trying to get some consistency out of the dude
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ok so the answer is No?
if so then how am I a hypocrite?
I ridicule people who believe in the antichrist (or that Obama is) and they can ridicule me for whatever they want and I have no problem with that
where's the hypocrisy?
again ridiculing someone for something you yourself do...Im not going to point it out again...just b/c youre ok with them ridiculing you as well doesnt make you not a hypocrite... ;)
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again ridiculing someone for something you yourself do...Im not going to point it out again...just b/c youre ok with them ridiculing you as well doesnt make you not a hypocrite... ;)
I'm ridiculing their beliefs and they are free to ridicule mine
Hey Tony,
I think think muslims who blow themselves up thinking they are going to get 72 virgins in heaven are crazy
I think Fred Phelps and his family are nuts for protesting at soliders funerals and believing their deaths are somehow due to the existence of gay people
and
I think people that people who believe in an anti christ or that obama is the anti christ are nuts
they are all the same to me.................drum roll.........
I don't have proof that any of them are wrong in their beliefs and I still think they are nuts
you don't have a problem with that do you?
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I'm ridiculing their beliefs and they are free to ridicule mine
Hey Tony,
I think think muslims who blow themselves up thinking they are going to get 72 virgins in heaven are crazy
I think Fred Phelps and his family are nuts for protesting at soliders funerals and believing their deaths are somehow due to the existence of gay people
and
I think people that people who believe in an anti christ or that obama is the anti christ are nuts
they are all the same to me.................drum roll.........
I don't have proof that any of them are wrong in their beliefs and I still think they are nuts
you don't have a problem with that do you?
that doesnt make it not hypocritical straw sorry to tell you bro, although it is again nice of you do say so
not at all as long as you consider yourself crazy for believing in something that you also have no proof of ;)
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that doesnt make it not hypocritical straw sorry to tell you bro, although it is again nice of you do say so
not at all as long as you consider yourself crazy for believing in something that you also have no proof of ;)
ok - then like I asked you before you're basically saying I can't criticize their beliefs then right?
didn't say "no" when I asked you that question
I guess you're also confirming that I can't criticize Fred Phelps of muslim suicide bombers either - without also being a hypocrite right?
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ok - then like I asked you before you're basically saying I can't criticize their beliefs then right?
didn't say "no" when I asked you that question
I guess you're also confirming that I can't criticize Fred Phelps of muslim suicide bombers either - without also being a hypocrite right?
again i never said you cant criticize ppl...you cant criticize ppl without being called a hypocrite is what ive said...you see you call them crazy for believing in something without proof then turn around in believe in the opposite thing without proof...that my friend is hypocritical...you need me to link you favorite page again?
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again i never said you cant criticize ppl...you cant criticize ppl without being called a hypocrite is what ive said...you see you call them crazy for believing in something without proof then turn around in believe in the opposite thing without proof...that my friend is hypocritical...you need me to link you favorite page again?
okay then no one can criticize Fred Phelps or muslim suicide bombers without also being a hypocrite right?
I mean no one can prove they are not right
correct?
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okay then no one can criticize Fred Phelps or muslim suicide bombers without also being a hypocrite right?
I mean no one can prove they are not right
correct?
LOL its not just about not being able to prove they are not right straw its about believing the opposite without being able to prove that and condemning them for doing what they do b/c of the beliefs that cant be proven...
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LOL its not just about not being able to prove they are not right straw its about believing the opposite without being able to prove that and condemning them for doing what they do b/c of the beliefs that cant be proven...
fine
so again - by those very standards (your own I assume) no one can criticize Fred Phelps or muslim suicide bombers without also be hypocrites
Right or Wrong?
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fine
so again - by those very standards (your own I assume) no one can criticize Fred Phelps or muslim suicide bombers without also be hypocrites
Right or Wrong?
LOL first of all those are not my standards...those are the using the definitions of the words...I didnt define the words, im simply applying the definitions of the words to the situation...you dont define words differently from situation to situation do you?
Im going to bed for the evening straw if you really feel like continuing this in the morning I will if I have the time...you know all the work and school do to my "poor planning" takes a lot of my time ;) (just messing with you bud)
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LOL first of all those are not my standards...those are the using the definitions of the words...I didnt define the words, im simply applying the definitions of the words to the situation...you dont define words differently from situation to situation do you?
Im going to bed for the evening straw if you really feel like continuing this in the morning I will if I have the time...you know all the work and school do to my "poor planning" takes a lot of my time ;) (just messing with you bud)
you strung the world together and drew a conclusion so they are your standards
what's the answer
is it hypocritical to critize Phelps or suicide bombers
from your standards it seems obvious that it woudl be hypocritical
right?
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This has turned into a weird thread.
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This has turned into a weird thread.
they all do.
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This has turned into a weird thread.
turned weird on page 1 if you ask me
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turned weird on page 1 if you ask me
People have been claiming the president the antichrist since Reagan from my own memory, probably before that too. Yea it's weird but what do you expect? I've never found a town or city where there are not half a dozen churches within walking distance from anywhere you live, half of them spewing fear and end of times crap...
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LOL how many libs thought bush was? hahahahaah
havent you started many threads about how the illuminati bullshit is controlling the presidents and how they are satanists or something?
never thought GWB was the antichrist; he wasn't smart enough to pull that off.
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never thought GWB was the antichrist; he wasn't smart enough to pull that off.
Thats funny, many people around here say that he was smart enough to pull off 911.
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What is sad is that ANY Christian who thinks Obama is the anti-Christ obviously has never cracked open their own Bible.The anti-Christ will be loved as a god,he will solve world problems and create miricles.The Bible says he will set a statue of himself that can speak.Obama can barely get his legislative agenda passed with super majorities in both houses.He is not the anti-Christ,he is just another in a long line of failed liberal politicians hell bent on the redistribution of wealth.His kind is a dime a dozen.
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People have been claiming the president the antichrist since Reagan from my own memory, probably before that too. Yea it's weird but what do you expect? I've never found a town or city where there are not half a dozen churches within walking distance from anywhere you live, half of them spewing fear and end of times crap...
That is one blessing of NYC. We don't have many religious folk. Sure everything is outrageously expensive but the Bible thumpers avoid this place like the plague.
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That is one blessing of NYC. We don't have many religious folk. Sure everything is outrageously expensive but the Bible thumpers avoid this place like the plague.
Oh please. Go to Brooklyn and every third retail spot is some church of some type.
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I can't recall anything close to a poll showing 25% of a major political par
ty thinking the opposing parties leader was the anti christ
that's just fucking nutty
According to logic master Tony McTones that statement makes me a hypocrite
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I can't recall anything close to a poll showing 25% of a major political par
ty thinking the opposing parties leader was the anti christ
that's just fucking nutty
According to logic master Tony McTones that statement makes me a hypocrite
Cant we all just get along Straw?
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I can't recall anything close to a poll showing 25% of a major political par
ty thinking the opposing parties leader was the anti christ
that's just fucking nutty
According to logic master Tony McTones that statement makes me a hypocrite
Its nutty,but not in the way you think.Its nutty because these fools dont even understand their own religion.They dont have a clue what the Bible says about the anti-christ.While there are nutty Christians,there is nothing more pathetic then someone who is involved in something and doesnt have a clue about what the thing they are involved in believes.
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Its nutty,but not in the way you think.Its nutty because these fools dont even understand their own religion.They dont have a clue what the Bible says about the anti-christ.While there are nutty Christians,there is nothing more pathetic then someone who is involved in something and doesnt have a clue about what the thing they are involved in believes.
Sort of like useful idiots who refused to do any research on Obama and now question why he is pursuing a radical agenda?
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Its nutty,but not in the way you think.Its nutty because these fools dont even understand their own religion.They dont have a clue what the Bible says about the anti-christ.While there are nutty Christians,there is nothing more pathetic then someone who is involved in something and doesnt have a clue about what the thing they are involved in believes.
who are the ones involved who dont' have a clue about the thing (?) they are involvreed in?
are you referring to the aforementioned 25% who think Obama is the antichrist
bt w - are you a christian?
just wondering because you seem to know a lot about it
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I can't recall anything close to a poll showing 25% of a major political par
ty thinking the opposing parties leader was the anti christ
that's just fucking nutty
According to logic master Tony McTones that statement makes me a hypocrite
no brain child youre a hypocrite b/c of what ive explained to you time and time again...find someone here that disputes it...go ahead...waiting...still waiting for you to show me i used the argument from ignorance like you did as well...
waiting ;)
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Oh please. Go to Brooklyn and every third retail spot is some church of some type.
I don't go to Brooklyn...I don't know what the point would be but I realise some places there have become 'hip'.
Yes. churches but not the Bible thumping sort...besides NYC is famous for being a den of iniquity.
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Sort of like useful idiots who refused to do any research on Obama and now question why he is pursuing a radical agenda?
even worse are the useless idiots who rant and rave about socialism, marxism, communism, etc... day and night based solely on their own fevered delusions
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who are the ones involved who dont' have a clue about the thing (?) they are involvreed in?
are you referring to the aforementioned 25% who think Obama is the antichrist
bt w - are you a christian?
just wondering because you seem to know a lot about it
One of the best horror movies of all time.
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no brain child youre a hypocrite b/c of what ive explained to you time and time again...find someone here that disputes it...go ahead...waiting...still waiting for you to show me i used the argument from ignorance like you did as well...
waiting ;)
I'm still waiting for you to admit, by your own stated standard, that anyone who criticizes muslim suicide bombers and Fred Phelps are also hypocrites
come one Tony, you spent 2 pages weaving together your nutty theory and then you run away and try to pretend it's not your theory
let's have some consistency
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I don't go to Brooklyn...I don't know what the point would be but I realise some places there have become 'hip'.
Yes. churches but not the Bible thumping sort...besides NYC is famous for being a den of iniquity.
I am from the Bronx, and am still here and know NYC all too well.
There are tons and tons and tonsa of churches in little storefronts and jammed into all crazy spots.
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Sort of like useful idiots who refused to do any research on Obama and now question why he is pursuing a radical agenda?
even worse are the useless idiots who rant and rave about socialism, marxism, communism, etc... day and night based solely on their own fevered delusions
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even worse are the useless idiots who rant and rave about socialism, marxism, communism, etc... day and night based solely on their own fevered delusions
Why is it deluded? I posted something in the Obama is a communist thread you need to read so you can wake up from your obama induced stupidity.
Even dems senators have come out and said the purpose of health care was redistribution of wealth, obama himself said that is what he wants.
What do you call that? Adam Smith Free Market Economics?
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I am from the Bronx, and am still here and know NYC all too well.
There are tons and tons and tonsa of churches in little storefronts and jammed into all crazy spots.
I live in the Bronx and there are a few Churches in my area but not many.
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Why is it deluded? I posted something in the Obama is a communist thread you need to read so you can wake up from your obama induced stupidity.
Even dems senators have come out and said the purpose of health care was redistribution of wealth, obama himself said that is what he wants.
What do you call that? Adam Smith Free Market Economics?
I thought you had figured out by now that I think your theories about Obama being a communist (and a secret one at that ) are NUTTY and I think you might have a serious mental and or emotional problem.
Nothing you say on the subject has any credibility to me
I thought I had made that point clear a long time ago
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I live in the Bronx and there are a few Churches in my area but not many.
What part? I am in Woodlawn.
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I'm still waiting for you to admit, by your own stated standard, that anyone who criticizes muslim suicide bombers and Fred Phelps are also hypocrites
come one Tony, you spent 2 pages weaving together your nutty theory and then you run away and try to pretend it's not your theory
let's have some consistency
LOL what nutty theory sorry hoss its the english language a hypocrite is someone who condems someone for one thing and turns around and does it...do you disagree?
I sincerely hope that your consulting business is conducted in another language b/c your grasp of english is fleeting
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LOL what nutty theory sorry hoss its the english language a hypocrite is someone who condems someone for one thing and turns around and does it...do you disagree?
I sincerely hope that your consulting business is conducted in another language b/c your grasp of english is fleeting
And math.
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What part? I am in Woodlawn.
Kingsbridge.
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Kingsbridge.
Wonderful area. I went to Manhattan College and know that area well.
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Wonderful area. I went to Manhattan College and know that area well.
It's changed, say from 15 years ago but I still like it well enough. I like my gym, Astral Fitness.
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LOL what nutty theory sorry hoss its the english language a hypocrite is someone who condems someone for one thing and turns around and does it...do you disagree? I sincerely hope that your consulting business is conducted in another language b/c your grasp of english is fleeting
Tony - have you forgotten your own theory already.
Let's review:
again i never said you cant criticize ppl...you cant criticize ppl without being called a hypocrite is what ive said...you see you call them crazy for believing in something without proof then turn around in believe in the opposite thing without proof...that my friend is hypocritical...you need me to link you favorite page again?
LOL its not just about not being able to prove they are not right straw its about believing the opposite without being able to prove that and condemning them for doing what they do b/c of the beliefs that cant be proven...
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Now that we both remember your theory let's talk about Muslim Suicide Bombers
I think they are nuts and I don't agree with their beliefs yet I can't prove that their beliefs are wrong
By your theory that makes me a hypocrite......right?
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Tony - have you forgotten your own theory already.
Let's review:
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Now that we both remebmer your theory let's talk about Muslim Suicide Bombers
I think they are nuts and I don't agree with their beliefs yet I can't prove that their beliefs are wrong
By your theory that makes me a hypocrite......right?
thank you for laying out your idiocy for all to see...please others in this thread weigh in on this and say whether or not straw is being hypocritical...please im losing the will to continue
the thing is straw you dont turn around and go suicide bomb something...your condemn ppl for believing in God though they have no proof then turn around and say there is no God withouth proof...
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It's changed, say from 15 years ago but I still like it well enough. I like my gym, Astral Fitness.
I used to hang out at Fieldsotn Billiards and the bars under the L. I heard they closed those bars down though due to the violence.
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who are the ones involved who dont' have a clue about the thing (?) they are involvreed in?
are you referring to the aforementioned 25% who think Obama is the antichrist
bt w - are you a christian?
just wondering because you seem to know a lot about it
Im someone who is facinated by Christianity and by Christians.Im saying the vast majority of so called Christians dont have a clue about what they beleve in or why they believe it.If you look at the Catholic church alone they are some of the most ignorant people on the planet.Ask a Roman Catholic if he believes in transsubstantiation[spelling sorry]is ,they dont have a clue what it is,BUT its the lynch pin of the entire religion.
Christians know a very little about a subject in their religion and think they have an understanding,but they dont have a clue.Id be willing to bet 90% of Christians have no idea of why Jesus came,died and rose from the dead[at least according to the Bible].They have just been raised in church but really have no clue of what any of it means.Ask the average Christian why Jesus had to die and thet a blank look on their face,or ask them to explain what was accomplished on the cross and they dont know.
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thank you for laying out your idiocy for all to see...please others in this thread weigh in on this and say whether or not straw is being hypocritical...please im losing the will to continue
the thing is straw you dont turn around and go suicide bomb something...your condemn ppl for believing in God though they have no proof then turn around and say there is no God withouth proof...
what idiocy are you talking about
your own theory?
your theory is about WORDS.......CRITICISM ......remember?
your words:
again i never said you cant criticize ppl...you cant criticize ppl without being called a hypocrite is what ive said...you see you call them crazy for believing in something without proof then turn around in believe in the opposite thing without proof...that my friend is hypocritical...you need me to link you favorite page again?
I believe suicide bombers are crazy for thinking they are going to get 72 virgins in heaven for commiting mass murder yet I have no proof that my belief is right or theres is wrong.
by your theory that makes me a hypocrite right?
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Im someone who is facinated by Christianity and by Christians.Im saying the vast majority of so called Christians dont have a clue about what they beleve in or why they believe it.If you look at the Catholic church alone they are some of the most ignorant people on the planet.Ask a Roman Catholic if he believes in transsubstantiation[spelling sorry]is ,they dont have a clue what it is,BUT its the lynch pin of the entire religion.
Christians know a very little about a subject in their religion and think they have an understanding,but they dont have a clue.Id be willing to bet 90% of Christians have no idea of why Jesus came,died and rose from the dead[at least according to the Bible].They have just been raised in church but really have no clue of what any of it means.Ask the average Christian why Jesus had to die and thet a blank look on their face,or ask them to explain what was accomplished on the cross and they dont know.
Billy: sort of like this true believer?
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I believe suicide bombers are crazy for thinking they are going to get 72 virgins in heaven for commiting mass murder yet I have no proof that my belief is right or theres is wrong.
by your theory that makes me a hypocrite right?
if you believe they are crazy b/c they have no proof and believe those things then turn around and believe the opposite again without proof that makes you a hypocrite...
you want me to type it again?
if you believe they are crazy b/c they have no proof and believe those things then turn around and believe the opposite again without proof that makes you a hypocrite...
one more time
if you believe they are crazy b/c they have no proof and believe those things then turn around and believe the opposite again without proof that makes you a hypocrite...
do me a favor and tell us all what you believe hypocrisy is?
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if you believe they are crazy b/c they have no proof and believe those things then turn around and believe the opposite again without proof that makes you a hypocrite...
you want me to type it again?
if you believe they are crazy b/c they have no proof and believe those things then turn around and believe the opposite again without proof that makes you a hypocrite...
one more time
if you believe they are crazy b/c they have no proof and believe those things then turn around and believe the opposite again without proof that makes you a hypocrite...
do me a favor and tell us all what you believe hypocrisy is?
I told you 7 pages ago that the "Obama is AntiChrist" crowd is free to criticize my point of view too and I have no problem with that therefore my criticism (or ridicule) of them is not hypocritcal
after than you weaved together your harebrained theory
so.....using your theory which we can all read in the posts above
so by applying your theory we learn that people who criticize suicide bombers are hypocrites right?
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I told you 7 pages ago that the "Obama is AntiChrist" crowd is free to criticize my point of view too and I have no problem with that therefore my criticism (or ridicule) of them is not hypocritcal
after than you weaved together your harebrained theory
so.....using your theory which we can all read in the posts above
so by applying your theory we learn that people who criticize suicide bombers are hypocrites right?
that doesnt make the situation any less hypocritical you numb nut fuck LMFAO
define hypocrisy straw...this is truly going to be one for the getbig politics board hall of fame... ;D
if you in turn go suicide bomb ppl then yes youre a hypocrite....
now please define hypocrisy and tell us why you being ok with them ridiculing makes you not a hypocrite...this is going to be good
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that doesnt make the situation any less hypocritical you numb nut fuck LMFAO
define hypocrisy straw...this is truly going to be one for the getbig politics board hall of fame... ;D
if you in turn go suicide bomb ppl then yes youre a hypocrite....
now please define hypocrisy and tell us why you being ok with them ridiculing makes you not a hypocrite...this is going to be good
Your exchange seems to be rather typified by this song:
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Your exchange seems to be rather typified by this song:
cant get audio...but if you seem to think im wrong please do tell...
you think being ok with being called a hypocrite makes him less of a hypocrite?
do tell
give us your definition of hypocrisy and tell us why straw is not being hypocritical...please do
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that doesnt make the situation any less hypocritical you numb nut fuck LMFAO
define hypocrisy straw...this is truly going to be one for the getbig politics board hall of fame... ;D
if you in turn go suicide bomb ppl then yes youre a hypocrite....
now please define hypocrisy and tell us why you being ok with them ridiculing makes you not a hypocrite...this is going to be good
I've already defined what would be hypocritical about me criticizing the AntiChristers - I can criticize them and I have no problem if they criticize me therefore I am not a hypocrite
pretty simple isn't it?
No need for 10 pages of ridiculous theory that finds you painted into a corner having to admit that your theory means that no one can criticize suicide bombers without also being a hypocrite
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I've already defined what would be hypocritical about me criticizing the AntiChristers - I can criticize them and I have no problem if they criticize me therefore I am not a hypocrite
pretty simple isn't it?
No need for 10 pages of ridiculous theory that finds you painted into a corner having to admit that your theory means that no one can criticize suicide bombers without also being a hypocrite
LMFAOROTLC
except thats not using the definition of hypocrite you brainiac..LMFAO when did we start being able to to define words how we wanted?
use your favorite database wiki and look up hypocrite you know what nvm ill do it for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite
"Hypocrisy is the act of persistently pretending to hold beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually hold. Hypocrisy is thus a kind of lie.
For example, a man who complains of cars speeding down his street, but speeds himself would be considered a hypocrite
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where in there does it say that if your ok with being a hypocrite it makes you not a hypocrite....tell me how being ok with them ridiculing you makes a difference in terms of the definition of the term ;)
LOL this is classic shit man I once thought your account was controlled by a high school kid, I began to doubt myself but seeing the idiocy youve displayed here makes me think my first assertion was correct...if im wrong then its all the more pathetic
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cant get audio...but if you seem to think im wrong please do tell...
you think being ok with being called a hypocrite makes him less of a hypocrite?
do tell
give us your definition of hypocrisy and tell us why straw is not being hypocritical...please do
Well, I do not agree with you but that was already known. Seeing on how everything in human life functions on probablities and Christian mythology being extremely unlikely, basing any serious decision on such things would be silly. By the same token, these selfsame Christians would equally ridicule Muslims on the fatuousness of their beliefs. It cuts both ways; to be honest I think you are secretly sympathetic to the Christian cause.
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Well, I do not agree with you but that was already known. Seeing on how everything in human life functions on probablities and Christian mythology being extremely unlikely, basing any serious decision on such things would be silly. By the same token, these selfsame Christians would equally ridicule Muslims on the fatuousness of their beliefs. It cuts both ways; to be honest I think you are secretly sympathetic to the Christian cause.
what is the probability of God existing? if its quantifiable then you should be able to quantify it and please give the reasoning...however unlikely you feel if may be its still not positive one way or the other and until it is you and others should refrain from stating it as a certainty...
I agree it certainly does cut both ways this is why I try not to criticize others for their beliefs...and I consider myself a Christian so of course I would be sympathetic to the Christian cause just like many atheist/agnostics are callous towards it...even though we should all fall into agreement that we are not sure who is right...
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Well, I do not agree with you but that was already known. Seeing on how everything in human life functions on probablities and Christian mythology being extremely unlikely, basing any serious decision on such things would be silly. By the same token, these selfsame Christians would equally ridicule Muslims on the fatuousness of their beliefs. It cuts both ways; to be honest I think you are secretly sympathetic to the Christian cause.
and also my post was not geared towards my argument for my faith simply straws argument that he is not being hypocritical...
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what is the probability of God existing? if its quantifiable then you should be able to quantify it and please give the reasoning...however unlikely you feel if may be its still not positive one way or the other and until it is you and others should refrain from stating it as a certainty...
I agree it certainly does cut both ways this is why I try not to criticize others for their beliefs...and I consider myself a Christian so of course I would be sympathetic to the Christian cause just like many atheist/agnostics are callous towards it...even though we should all fall into agreement that we are not sure who is right...
You speak of God...I speak of gods. Your god is as likely as any other of the many dead gods humans formerly worshipped. It cannot be precisely quantified of course but that is not necessary. There is much scientific and archaeoglical evidence that shows the Bible to be bunk so it can follow that Christianity is bunk.
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You speak of God...I speak of gods. Your god is as likely as any other of the many dead gods humans formerly worshipped. It cannot be precisely quantified of course but that is not necessary. There is much scientific and archaeoglical evidence that shows the Bible to be bunk so it can follow that Christianity is bunk.
I apologize I meant god even though I typed God force of habit but youre correct. Well if it cant be quantified than it could well be 50/50 and it depends on how you interpret the Bible my friend...
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How did this thread get to be 9 pages long? What in the world? lol :)
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I apologize I meant god even though I typed God force of habit but youre correct. Well if it cant be quantified than it could well be 50/50 and it depends on how you interpret the Bible my friend...
50/50 is NOT the default probability as you well know...
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I live in the Bronx and there are a few Churches in my area but not many.
hahahaha....
http://www.churches-in.com/new+york/Bronx/
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hahahaha....
http://www.churches-in.com/new+york/Bronx/
Ha Ha!
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Let it be known that SAMSON posts threads that are the crux of debate, discussion, fighting, name calling, infighting and a back hand or two...I will accept my award now for contributing to a discussion that has raged on for 9 million pages and still has not allowed one or the other to make firm the statement that Obama is or even maybe is the AntiChrist. Interesting discussion though... ;D ;D :D :D
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hahahaha....
http://www.churches-in.com/new+york/Bronx/
Well, why are they never up in your face like in Wyoming...?
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Well, why are they never up in your face like in Wyoming...?
Dont know. But , I'm telling you, the next you walk around the boroughs, just look at how many store fronts are churchs.
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50/50 is NOT the default probability as you well know...
well if there are 2 outcomes then the probability is 50/50 unless you can prove otherwise the default is 50/50 with 2 options
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Well, why are they never up in your face like in Wyoming...?
From what I can see, looks like you guys have it worse than we do :D
In the Bronx:
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Boggie Down Bronx Bro!
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LMFAOROTLC
except thats not using the definition of hypocrite you brainiac..LMFAO when did we start being able to to define words how we wanted?
use your favorite database wiki and look up hypocrite you know what nvm ill do it for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite
"Hypocrisy is the act of persistently pretending to hold beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually hold. Hypocrisy is thus a kind of lie.
For example, a man who complains of cars speeding down his street, but speeds himself would be considered a hypocrite
"
where in there does it say that if your ok with being a hypocrite it makes you not a hypocrite....tell me how being ok with them ridiculing you makes a difference in terms of the definition of the term ;)
LOL this is classic shit man I once thought your account was controlled by a high school kid, I began to doubt myself but seeing the idiocy youve displayed here makes me think my first assertion was correct...if im wrong then its all the more pathetic
how exactly does that definition make me a hypocrite
I think people who believe in that Obama is the antichrist are nutty
I actually hold that belief and my words and deeds are consistent so where is the hypocrisy
btw - why haven't you reposted your own tortured, convoluted and borderline retarded defintion again
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how exactly does that definition make me a hypocrite
I think people who believe in that Obama is the antichrist are nutty
I actually hold that belief and my words and deeds are consistent so where is the hypocrisy
btw - why haven't you reposted your own tortured, convoluted and borderline retarded defintion again
LOL my definition is consistent with that one ;)
you ridicule ppl for believing in the anti christ without proof then turn around and say he doesnt exist without proof...do the math there hoss
a man who complains of cars speeding down his street, but speeds himself would be considered a hypocrite
a man who condemns ppl for believing something without proof, but believes in something without proof would be considered a...
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LOL my definition is consistent with that one ;)
you ridicule ppl for believing in the anti christ without proof then turn around and say he doesnt exist without proof...do the math there hoss
a man who complains of cars speeding down his street, but speeds himself would be considered a hypocrite
a man who condemns ppl for believing something without proof, but believes in something without proof would be considered a...
I've done the math dipshit
I've done it repeatedly and showed it to you in terms that even a retarded 3rd grader could probably understand but some how you're still confused
let's try one last time
1. I'm sure we can agree that no one can prove true or false any core beliefs of any religion or as you so clumsily wrote "disprove religion"
Yes or No?
If Yes then by your standard no one can ever ridicule anyone elses religious belief without being a hypocrite
Correct?
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I've done the math dipshit
I've done it repeatedly and showed it to you in terms that even a retarded 3rd grader could probably understand but some how you're still confused
let's try one last time
1. I'm sure we can agree that no one can prove true or false any core beliefs of any religion or as you so clumsily wrote "disprove religion"
Yes or No?
If Yes then by your standard no one can ever ridicule anyone elses religious belief without being a hypocrite
Correct?
sigh you can still criticize religion the hypocritical part comes from criticizing someone for believing in something without proof and then turning around an believing in something without proof...if you dont criticize them for beliving in that religion than...do the math...
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well if there are 2 outcomes then the probability is 50/50 unless you can prove otherwise the default is 50/50 with 2 options
What 2 outcomes are there? Either the Christian god is real or not? What if Zeus is real or not? 50/50 is bogus. You are declaring, by fiat that it is 50/50 without evidence yourself.
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sigh you can still criticize religion the hypocritical part comes from criticizing someone for believing in something without proof and then turning around an believing in something without proof...if you dont criticize them for beliving in that religion than...do the math...
LOL - dude this is the funniest thing you're ever written
you just wrote that I can criticize religion and that it's only hypocrtical if I criticize them for believing something without proof and while believing something without proof
correct?
can you give me an example of something I can criticize (with proof of course) without being a hypocrite
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LOL - dude this is the funniest thing you're ever written
you just wrote that I can criticize religion and that it's only hypocrtical if I criticize them for believing something without proof and while believing something without proof
correct?
can you give me an example of something I can criticize (with proof of course) without being a hypocrite
oh my goodness dude, following the definition of hypocrisy you can criticize anybody but its hypocritical if you do what your ridiculing them of...ok that was simply an example...
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oh my goodness dude, following the definition of hypocrisy you can criticize anybody but its hypocritical if you do what your ridiculing them of...ok that was simply an example...
where's the example of non-hypocrital criticism of a religious belief
come on man, this is your nutty theory, surely you must be able to scratch up at least one example
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What 2 outcomes are there? Either the Christian god is real or not? What if Zeus is real or not? 50/50 is bogus. You are declaring, by fiat that it is 50/50 without evidence yourself.
I was generalizing and saying is there a god/gods or not...I understand what your saying deicide but in fact if an action or question has 2 outcome than it is a 50/50 probability that one is right...think true/false questions...
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where's the example of non-hypocrital criticism of a religious belief
come on man, this is your nutty theory, surely you must be able to scratch up at least one example
I feel its wrong to blow yourself up in the name of religion...
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I was generalizing and saying is there a god/gods or not...I understand what your saying deicide but in fact if an action or question has 2 outcome than it is a 50/50 probability that one is right...think true/false questions...
dude I'm asking you for one simple example of a non-hypocritcal criticism
aren't you the one who called me a hypocrite for riduculing the crowd who thinks Obama is the AntiChrist? (even though I never denied and said I had no problem if they want to do the same to my beliefs)
we know what you think is hypocritcal now give us an example of something that is not hypocritical
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I feel its wrong to blow yourself up in the name of religion...
are you saying thats your example of a non-hypocritical criticism?
I'm willing to go with that if you are
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dude I'm asking you for one simple example of a non-hypocritcal criticism
aren't you the one who called me a hypocrite for riduculing the crowd who thinks Obama is the AntiChrist? (even though I never denied and said I had no problem if they want to do the same to my beliefs)
we know what you think is hypocritcal now give us an example of something that is not hypocritical
LOL dude calm down I answered you right before this post ;)
just b/c youre ok with them ridiculing you doesnt make it not hypocritical....please explain that thought process to me ???
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are you saying thats your example of a non-hypocritical criticism?
I'm willing to go with that if you are
yes sure
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yes sure
cool
show me some proof that this guy is not being greeted by Allah in heaven with 72 virgins
I can't disprove that
can you?
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cool
show me some proof that this guy is not being greeted by Allah in heaven with 72 virgins
I can't disprove that
can you?
wtf does that have to do with anything...Im not going around blowing myself up
you however criticize ppl for believing without proof but you yourself believe without proof...how do you not see the difference?
you know what forget it just let this thread die bro
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wtf does that have to do with anything...Im not going around blowing myself up
you however criticize ppl for believing without proof but you yourself believe without proof...how do you not see the difference?
you know what forget it just let this thread die bro
where's your proof that those people who blow themself aren't doing the "right thing" as their religion teaches
personally I think they are nutbags but I have no actual proof that their belief is WRONG
do I?
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where's your proof that those people who blow themself aren't doing the "right thing" as their religion teaches
personally I think they are nutbags but I have no actual proof that their belief is WRONG
do I?
you see Im not saying there religion is wrong you ARE numb nut fuck......
you say all religion is not true b/c they have no proof but then you believ in the opposite without proof
I am not criticizing them for believing without proof I am criticizing them for blowing themselves up in the name of religion so for me to be a hypocrite I would have to blow myself up in the name of my religion...
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you see Im not saying there religion is wrong you ARE numb nut fuck......
you say all religion is not true b/c they have no proof but then you believ in the opposite without proof
I am not criticizing them for believing without proof I am criticizing them for blowing themselves up in the name of religion so for me to be a hypocrite I would have to blow myself up in the name of my religion...
where is the proof that they are wrong in blowing themselves up
again, where is your proof that Allah is not meeting that bomber in heaven with 72 virgins (sidenote - I wonder if the if the female bombers also get 72 virgins?)
how can you possibly criticize that without proof that it is not true without being a hypocrite?
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where is the proof that they are wrong in blowing themselves up
again, where is your proof that Allah is not meeting that bomber in heaven with 72 virgins (sidenote - I wonder if the if the female bombers also get 72 virgins?)
how can you possibly criticize that without proof that it is not true without being a hypocrite
that has nothing to do with my situation b/c im not criticizing them for not having proof you are....brain child
im criticizing them for blowing themselves up I didnt mention proof at all so it doesnt enter into my equation...what does is the suicide bombing in the name of relgion which i dont do so therefore im not being hypocritical such as you... ::)
just let it go bro
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that has nothing to do with my situation b/c im not criticizing them for not having proof you are....brain child
im criticizing them for blowing themselves up I didnt mention proof at all so it doesnt enter into my equation...what does is the suicide bombing in the name of relgion which i dont do so therefore im not being hypocritical such as you... ::)
just let it go bro
where is your proof that blowing themselves up is the wrong thing to do?
do you get it bro?
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where is your proof that blowing themselves up is the wrong thing to do?
do you get it bro?
I didnt mention proof brain child...you did that has nothing to do with my views....
just let it gooooo
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where is your proof that blowing themselves up is the wrong thing to do?
do you get it bro?
Im not criticizing them for a lack of proof you are...my criticism has nothing to do with proof, it has to do with blowing themselves up
yours has to do with proof and then you turn around and believe the opposite without proof...am I blowing myself up in the name of religion? NOOOOO
but you do believe there is no God without proof...
do you get it?
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I didnt mention proof brain child...you did that has nothing to do with my views....
just let it gooooo
isn't your whole fucking theory based on being able to "prove" or not being able to "disprove" something?
you're the person who called me a hypocrite and defined the terms
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isn't your whole fucking theory based on being able to "prove" or not being able to "disprove" something?
you're the person who called me a hypocrite and defined the terms
thats in your case.....b/c you cited that you think its silly for them to believe in the antichrist without proof...I didnt criticize them for not having proof
If you criticize somebody for something you do then its being hypocritical...
you criticize them for believing in God without proof, then you turn around in believe there is no God again without proof...hypocritical
I criticize them for blowing themselves up in the name of religion, I DO NOT turn around and blow myself up in the name of religion...not hypocritical
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thats in your case.....b/c you cited that you think its silly for them to believe in the antichrist without proof...I didnt criticize them for not having proof
If you criticize somebody for something you do then its being hypocritical...
you criticize them for believing in God without proof, then you turn around in believe there is no God again without proof...hypocritical
I criticize them for blowing themselves up in the name of religion, I DO NOT turn around and blow myself up in the name of religion...not hypocritical
still waiting for you show some scrap of proof that Allah is not meeting them in heaven with 72 virgins
come on man
just disprove it and we're done
I suppose youd like to get into another debate that ends in you not being able to disprove religion?
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still waiting for you show some scrap of proof that Allah is not meeting them in heaven with 72 virgins
come on man
just disprove it and we're done
LOL reread my previous post bro...im done with your ignorant ass the ppl who have read this thread know the score. ;)
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Antichrist...NO.
Anticapitalist...YES.
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LOL reread my previous post bro...im done with your ignorant ass the ppl who have read this thread know the score. ;)
I assume so
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Antichrist...NO.
Anticapitalist...YES.
antichrist no = hypocrite
right Tony?
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I suppose youd like to get into another debate that ends in you not being able to disprove religion?
I recently read a study done by a top psychologist. Basically saying that God can not be proven or dis-proven between people. What you believe can not be proven or dis-proven by anyone else because it is your brain and your thoughts. You might think it is the same God as everyone else but in reality it is your brains own understanding of God which like i said you can not prove or dis-prove existence of.