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I think this might be it. Her state is in worse debt shape than California. They carry a worse Debt-to-GDP ratio than any other state in the USA. And this is from when she left office - she can't blame the new guy. You can cite it was a state issue - but she doubled the Wasila city debt in her short term there too.
Aside from the fact she supported capping emissions, Amnety bill, and bailout bill - it now appears she is one of those big spenders she hates so much. Despite her state having so much oil - and others in that area beign debt free due to oil revenues - Alaska is in this terrible shape. Sounds to me like she is what someone called me today - a lib that loves her guns.
Please, repubs, run a RESPONSIBLE spender in 2012. please.
Post-Palin Alaska has largest debt burden in US
Sarah Palin has long sold herself as a fiscal conservative, arguing against the Democrats' health overhaul on the grounds that the nation simply can't afford it.
But when the former vice presidential candidate resigned as governor of Alaska in the summer of 2009, she left the state with a 70 percent debt-to-GDP ratio -- the highest state debt burden in the United States.
That's according to data compiled by the Washington Independent's Megan Carpentier, who notes that Alaska has a debt burden similar to "that of Jordan and Palin’s favorite health care resource, Canada, and a higher ratio than Ghana, Cote d’Ivoire, India, the Philippines or Uruguay."
By comparison, crisis-stricken California has a debt ratio of less than 40 percent. All the more confounding about Alaska's debt is the fact that it is an oil-producing region with a small population to share in that wealth. Oil-rich Alberta, Canada, for example, collects no sales tax and still managed to retire its debt entirely in 2004.
While Alaska's massive debt burden can't be blamed entirely on Palin's two-and-a-half-year stint as governor, she did face similar debt problems while mayor of Wasilla, and those appear to be of her own making.
Wasilla's municipal debt went from around $1 million when she came in to office, to around $22 million when she left, mostly as a result of the construction of a sports arena and public works projects championed by Palin.
While Alaska's debt load is high by the standards of US states, it's worth noting some nations have considerably higher debt loads. Japan, for example, is carrying a debt load of more than 190 percent of GDP; Greece, recently hit by a debt crisis, has a 108 percent debt-to-GDP ratio.
The debt load for the US federal government clocked in at around 53 percent in 2009; the debt is expected to increase to 68.5 percent by 2014.
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In other words, when she left office, her state's debt to GDP ratio was actually WORSE than our entire nation will be after SIX YEARS of irresponsible Obama policy.
And, her state is loaded with oil, to boot - so they should be far, far to the other end.
Baby girl likes to spend! Aside from "Obama sucks for this different reason" that we'd expect from idiots trying to change the subject... can ANYONE defend this kind of fiscal irresponsibility from Palin? Worse than the nation will be under obama, debt percentage wise... shocking.
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all the way shameless self bump
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240, you know I like you, so I'm going to just give you some advices.....you are beginning to get a little vince bassilish stalking vince g in regards to Palin.
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240, you know I like you, so I'm going to just give you some advices.....you are beginning to get a little vince bassilish stalking vince g in regards to Palin.
That's pretty harsh, Man. :)
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240, you know I like you, so I'm going to just give you some advices.....you are beginning to get a little vince bassilish stalking vince g in regards to Palin.
Many of the uneducated and ill-informed are still enamored by the dolt that is Sarah Palin. Given that she also thrusts herself constantly in the spotlight and has a pathological personality, 240 and his criticisms are valid.
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Was this any kind of surprise at all? She is walking train wreck flying off the rails of hypocrisy and contradiction.
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Where is this article from?I dont see any credits on it.
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Many of the uneducated and ill-informed are still enamored by the dolt that is Sarah Palin. Given that she also thrusts herself constantly in the spotlight and has a pathological personality, 240 and his criticisms are valid.
She's an attention whore.
We're quite aware of the phenomenon here at GetBig.
No joke, Jezebelle. We actually have posters here who will cut and paste crap from Wikipedia and pretend to be smart.
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Where is this article from?I dont see any credits on it.
April 1st edition of The Onion.
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April 1st edition of The Onion.
Ha,ha,yes,the onion,very reliable news source.
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No examples whatsoever in that article, it just states that the debt is worse and shows nothing as to what she did or did not do to affect it. Nice reporting chief.
SG
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no this is a real news story. and I haven't posted anything palin-news in a week or more.
This is a pretty big news story because she is still the 2012 repub frontrunner. I've been ignoring all the news stories about stupid things, her fox show mess, etc.
But actual debt numbers showing she spends like obama - or worse - may help more spendthrift repubs like pawlenty or thune win the 2012 bid.
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But actual debt numbers showing she spends like obama - or worse - may help more spendthrift repubs like pawlenty or thune win the 2012 bid.
And these numbers are... what?
Thanks for the detailed reporting.
SG
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She's an attention whore.
We're quite aware of the phenomenon here at GetBig.
No joke, Jezebelle. We actually have posters here who will cut and paste crap from Wikipedia and pretend to be smart.
Say it ain't so D, unreal. Palin is as smart as a bag of hammers...my dog would be a more polished candidate at this point. She needs to go away.
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no this is a real news story. and I haven't posted anything palin-news in a week or more.
This is a pretty big news story because she is still the 2012 repub frontrunner. I've been ignoring all the news stories about stupid things, her fox show mess, etc.
But actual debt numbers showing she spends like obama - or worse - may help more spendthrift repubs like pawlenty or thune win the 2012 bid.
SHE ISNT GOING TO RUN!!!!!She makes to much money from television.Her shows,unlike those on MSNBC get ratings.There is no need to run,just like Hukabee wont run.
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She isn't relevant 240...just because she is in the news doesn't make her any more relevant than the latest cooch shot of Britney Spears. We get it, most people in America do too; let's concentrate on the mess that our government has put us in shall we?
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HAHAHHALMFAOROTLC
in typical 240 fashion he tosses aside obama stories as distractions from the important issues at hand and then turns around and posts another palin thread ::)
and you wonder why ppl call you a fuking moron ;)
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240 - honestly, just give up dude. You are descending quickly to the level of Blackena and Mons lately with this nonsense you cropped from DU.
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If Palin is so irrelevant why does a portion of your party hang on her every word?
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It would be interesting if Palin ran in 2012 on a platform of modeling the country after her beloved Alaska (with all those real Americans and not those phony Hollywood types or big city people with their college educations and stuff).
Alaska is a socialist wet dream. The state owns most of the oil producing land and was collecting those profits and redistributing the wealth to the residents to the tune of ~ 3200 per person each year. This is also an incentive to have more kids as each person in the family receives 3200. I think one of Palins few accomplishments during her half term as governor was to increase this redistribution of wealth. Of course there is no sales tax or state income tax so it's kind it's got something for the Tbaggers too.
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If Palin is so irrelevant why does a portion of your party hang on her every word?
Because what she says on issues often times makes a lot more sense than the nonsense, lies, distortions, manipulations, and falsehoods coming from the POTUS?
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Because what she says on issues often times makes a lot more sense than the nonsense, lies, distortions, manipulations, and falsehoods coming from the POTUS?
or it could be because she's the self annoited leader of a radical political party and she continually makes absurd and often contradictory statement and generally just makes a fool of herself (writing on her hand for example)
it could also be because she is a shameless media whore and if there is one thing we like in this country it's whores.
It's interesting how she often slammed Hollywood and media types and even tried to use the term celebrity as a perjorative when referring to Obama and now we find she's shamelessy whored out herself (and most likekly her family) to those very same fake Hollywood types for a check and another 15 minutes in the spotlight
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or it could be because she's the self annoited leader of a radical political party and she continually makes absurd and often contradictory statement and generally just makes a fool of herself (writing on her hand for example)
it could also be because she is a shameless media whore and if there is one thing we like in this country it's whores.
It's interesting how she often slammed Hollywood and media types and even tried to use the term celebrity as a perjorative when referring to Obama and now we find she's shamelessy whored out herself (and most likekly her family) to those very same fake Hollywood types for a check and another 15 minutes in the spotlight
I'd still do her...does that make me a bad person? ;D
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If Palin is so irrelevant why does a portion of your party hang on her every word?
They're desperate, deluded and incapable of seeing any difference between Palin and Obama. :)
Palin is a nitwit, period. She was never a serious candidate and we should all be embarrassed American politics has come to this point.
I would also do her, MrDumpling.... that just makes us men, LOL!
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They're desperate, deluded and incapable of seeing any difference between Palin and Obama. :)
Palin is a nitwit, period. She was never a serious candidate and we should all be embarrassed American politics has come to this point.
I would also do her, MrDumpling.... that just makes us men, LOL!
Kaje - please tell me who you would take seriously?
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They're desperate, deluded and incapable of seeing any difference between Palin and Obama. :)
Palin is a nitwit, period. She was never a serious candidate and we should all be embarrassed American politics has come to this point.
I would also do her, MrDumpling.... that just makes us men, LOL!
Wooohhh! That's a relief...I was beginning to think I was being judged for my carnal desires of an older irrelevant woman! ;D
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I'd still do her...does that make me a bad person? ;D
of course not
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of course not
Straw - is there any potential GOP candidate you would consider serious?
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Straw - is there any potential GOP candidate you would consider serious?
I liked McCain in 2000
Can't recall anyone since then that I would consider voting for but I certainly wouldn't rule it out
It all depends on who is running
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I liked McCain in 2000
Can't recall anyone since then that I would consider voting for but I certainly wouldn't rule it out
It all depends on who is running
Romney
Pawlenty
Thune
Hucklebee
Ron Paul
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Kaje - please tell me who you would take seriously?
No idea. Anyone for enacting real change wouldn't make it far enough to get on our radar. Still, things were pretty ugly and they (Repubs) decided to run Great Grandad and hot MILF. How bad does shit really have to be when a majority of Americans are willing to have a black president, LOL?!
Republicans simply did not want to inherit this economy. They just didn't believe the votes necessary for this health mess would be gained as well. The leadership failed and the message is wrong. They've become a two issue party and most Americans could give a flying poop if two gays marry each other or some random welfare mom has an abortion. People losing their jobs, homes, retirement, and freaking identities just don't give a damn about crap like that. They should have concentrated on jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, and for good measure jobs. Maybe throw in repealing NAFTA/GAT, middle class tax cut, cutting all foreign spending, and true campaign finance reform. Ignore shit like debt because poor and or struggling people don't care about debt. Ignore social security (as a political issue but pass a lock box) because no one is ever going to believe their check will not show up.
Assholes also should have stopped Bush from beginning the whole bailout process. It goes against everything republican principles stand for other than pure greed.
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No idea. Anyone for enacting real change wouldn't make it far enough to get on our radar. Still, things were pretty ugly and they (Repubs) decided to run Great Grandad and hot MILF. How bad does shit really have to be when a majority of Americans are willing to have a black president, LOL?!
Republicans simply did not want to inherit this economy. They just didn't believe the votes necessary for this health mess would be gained as well. The leadership failed and the message is wrong. They've become a two issue party and most Americans could give a flying poop if two gays marry each other or some random welfare mom has an abortion. People losing their jobs, homes, retirement, and freaking identities just don't give a damn about crap like that. They should have concentrated on jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, and for good measure jobs. Maybe throw in repealing NAFTA/GAT, middle class tax cut, cutting all foreign spending, and true campaign finance reform. Ignore shit like debt because poor and or struggling people don't care about debt. Ignore social security (as a political issue but pass a lock box) because no one is ever going to believe their check will not show up.
Assholes also should have stopped Bush from beginning the whole bailout process. It goes against everything republican principles stand for other than pure greed.
The house GOP members all voted against it remember? Pelosi called them unpatriotic.
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They're desperate, deluded and incapable of seeing any difference between Palin and Obama. :)
Palin is a nitwit, period. She was never a serious candidate and we should all be embarrassed American politics has come to this point.
I would also do her, MrDumpling.... that just makes us men, LOL!
Bwahahahahahhahaa.... ;D
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Here you go 240 - 240 - "I am a libertarian"
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The Left's Latest Meme: Governor Palin is a Big Spender Just Like Obama
Conservatives4Palin.com ^ | April 1, 2010 | Doug Brady
Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2010 11:00:18 AM by DB9
Ever since Governor Palin emerged on the scene as a threat to their Messiah, The Left has concocted a number of phony narratives about Governor Palin. She didn't go to the right schools, hasn't traveled enough, doesn't speak with a cosmopolitan accent, is a religious fanatic who thinks dinosaurs roamed the earth a couple thousand years ago, believes in witchcraft, resigned her position as governor because of an FBI investigation, or is responsible for the alleged unruly behavior of one or two Tea Party activists, which likely didn't even occur, to name a few. None of this was true of course. This brings us to the latest meme. Get ready for it: now Governor Palin is fiscally irresponsible and left her state deeply in debt. If nothing else, you have to admire the Left's creativity.
The basis for this ridiculous claim is an article in The Washington Independent by Megan Carpentier (yeah, I never heard of her either). Carpentier writes:
"Less than a year after then-Gov. Sarah Palin (R-Alaska) quit the government to pursue other projects, Alaska leads the way in its debt-to-GDP ratio when its unfunded pension obligations are taken into account, followed by Rhode Island, New Mexico, Ohio and Mississippi. (Emphasis mine)"
The goal of Carpentier's article, "Palin Left Alaska With Debts Equal to 70% of its GDP" is clear. She references an article by Mary Williams Walsh in the New York Times, part of which is based on a chart produced by Andrew Biggs in a study for the American Enterprise Institute (AEI). Carpentier uses this study to draw the laughable conclusion that Governor Palin is really a profligate spender whose fiscal irresponsibility has put Alaska on the brink of insolvency. In other words, Palin is just like Obama. Really Megan? I guess the Palin-is-inciting-violence by using standard political rhetoric meme isn't working as well as they had hoped so they had to manufacture another one.
Numbers don't lie, but liars use numbers.
Where to begin... Let's start with the chart Carpentier uses to make her absurd implication that Governor Palin spends like a...er...Democrat. Biggs' chart is speculative and is not based on anything but a hypothesis he's developing to calculate the present value of state pension liabilities. This is not to criticize Biggs' research in any way. Having just read through his working paper, it's very good and he makes many excellent points. However, at the moment it's still a theory and not settled science by any means. Bigg's also notes that his figures include each state's share of the federal debt, something Obama and the Democrat Party have gone out of their way to expand to unprecedented levels. Presumably, that's Governor Palin's fault too.
To be sure, Biggs' basic point that state governments grossly understate the extent to which taxpayers are on the hook for the lavish pensions given to members of public employee unions is unassailable. So for the sake of argument, let's accept Bigg's numbers as fact. What then? Does that mean that Governor Palin wastes money with the enthusiasm of your typical Democrat, as Ms. Carpentier implies? I suppose one could make that argument if she was the one who initiated these extravagant pensions for state employees. But that's not true, as I suspect Ms. Carpentier well knows. In fact, Governor Palin actually tried to address the problem by enacting some much needed reforms to the Public Employee Retirement System (PERS) and State Teachers Retirement System (STRS). She ratcheted down obligations by using a tiered system for current employees that allots their pensions according to seniority. She also enacted a totally new system for those who are newly employed while honoring past commitments which she was legally bound to do.
The problem for Ms. Carpentier, of course, is that the ticking time bomb of public employee pension liabilities is the direct result of the corrupt and symbiotic relationship between public employee unions like AFSCME and the SEIU and their patrons in the Democrat Party. This has been festering since 1962 when President Kennedy signed executive order 10988 which allowed for the unionization of public employees, as Daniel Henninger recently noted in the Wall Street Journal. In fact, I could write an entire post on the extent to which the Democrat Party is owned by the public employee unions. Oh wait, I did.
Another problem with Carpentier's implication is that Governor Palin has a long history of tight-fisted fiscal conservatism. She has fought against reckless government spending her entire career and has consistently and repeatedly cut government outlays. As governor of Alaska, she was one of the few political leaders who actually reduced the amount of government spending year to year, as opposed to simply reducing the rate of growth in spending which, incidentally, is what Washington politicians consider a "spending cut". Kathy Carpenter documented Governor Palin's fiscal conservatism in a post last April.
Ms. Carpentier's attempt to blame Governor Palin for the unaffordable pensions bestowed upon public employees is absurd and doesn't pass the laugh test. It makes as much sense as Obama's claim that ObamaCare is a deficit reduction plan. These ridiculously generous tax-payer funded pensions were in place long before Governor Palin's tenure. I suppose we should give Ms. Carpentier some credit for helping to shine light, however unwittingly, on the fiscal disaster that is public employee pensions. However, I suspect Andy Stern would prefer she didn't.
This latest meme, that Governor Palin is a big spender, will fade as fast as the others. I await with interest the next one. My money is on the following: Governor Palin has a secret weather machine that causes it to snow whenever Al Gore bloviates about global warming?
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Romney
Pawlenty
Thune
Hucklebee
Ron Paul
like I said - I can't recall anyone since then that I would consider voting for
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"She isn't relevant 240"
Yes, she is. She is still the TOP frontrunner for the 2012 GOP nomination. Intrade.com, the world's leading wagering firm which has a pretty good success clip, has her ahead of romney and pawlenty currently.
333386, I wouldn't expect a group called Conservatives4Palin.com to deliver a fair and balanced look at this - but I do think the debt to GDP numbers aren't something you can argue. They are what they are. Defend it if you want. Or, just admit this is another check in the 'lib' column for her.
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"She isn't relevant 240"
Yes, she is. She is still the TOP frontrunner for the 2012 GOP nomination. Intrade.com, the world's leading wagering firm which has a pretty good success clip, has her ahead of romney and pawlenty currently.
333386, I wouldn't expect a group called Conservatives4Palin.com to deliver a fair and balanced look at this - but I do think the debt to GDP numbers aren't something you can argue. They are what they are. Defend it if you want. Or, just admit this is another check in the 'lib' column for her.
We are saying that we dont take "news" from the onion as real.Sorry.When you show me that article in the Wall Street Journal perhaps I will take it seriously.
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"She isn't relevant 240"
Yes, she is. She is still the TOP frontrunner for the 2012 GOP nomination. Intrade.com, the world's leading wagering firm which has a pretty good success clip, has her ahead of romney and pawlenty currently.
333386, I wouldn't expect a group called Conservatives4Palin.com to deliver a fair and balanced look at this - but I do think the debt to GDP numbers aren't something you can argue. They are what they are. Defend it if you want. Or, just admit this is another check in the 'lib' column for her.
So, would you blame Christie for the mess NJ is in as a result of the same thing?
240 - even for you, this thread is a joke. This is almost back to the palin baby CT's you tried to foist on us.
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We are saying that we dont take "news" from the onion as real.Sorry.When you show me that article in the Wall Street Journal perhaps I will take it seriously.
well to be fair the Onion does call themselves "America's Finest New Source"
kind of reminds me of "Fair and Balanced"
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If you think a state's Debt-to-GDP ratio is irrelevant, that's cool. Some nations with high ratios include Japan and Greece, and we know what great shape they are in.
You claim you know a great deal about the eocnomy, the root of money, etc - yet you ignore the Debt-to-GDP ratio and consider it irrelevant? Let me put it simply: Her state has a shitload of oil, but carries more debt than it should compared with the GDP. Make sense?
No Onion here - this is a real story fellahs. Okay, are you now accusing the NY Times of falsifying this data too?
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/03/30/business/economy/30statesGraphicA.html?ref=economy
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The NY Times believes the Debt-to-GDP ratio is a pretty damn good indicator of what states are in seirous financial trouble and who is spending a boatload - 33, do you disagree with them?
California, New York and other states are showing many of the same signs of debt overload that recently took Greece to the brink — budgets that will not balance, accounting that masks debt, the use of derivatives to plug holes, and armies of retired public workers who are counting on benefits that are proving harder and harder to pay.
Here's another article about california mainly, but they point out alaska is #1 in this ratio;
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/business/economy/30states.html
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240 - seriously, you need to apply for a refund for your MBA if you dont understand this and what is occuring in these states.
I'm not kidding, what the hell do they cover in 2 years in MBA school?
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Again dude, you atack me and my education, and you refuse to answer the Qs I have laid forth.
Do you disagree with the NY Times?
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So, would you blame Christie for the mess NJ is in as a result of the same thing?
240 - even for you, this thread is a joke. This is almost back to the palin baby CT's you tried to foist on us.
aren't you the one who blames Obama for the accumulated woes of the past 30 years?
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aren't you the one who blames Obama for the accumulated woes of the past 30 years?
I blame him for the garbage he had added to the mess, not what was accumulated to the date he came to office.
For 240 to claim to both have an MBA and be a libertarian and not understand this is really sad.
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YES OR NO, 333386?
Do you disagree with the NY Times?
Stop fuuucking insulting ME, and start answering the threads' questions. What is it with you? Is this ratio relevant, or not? YES OR NO?
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YES OR NO, 333386?
Do you disagree with the NY Times?
Stop fuuucking insulting ME, and start answering the threads' questions. What is it with you? Is this ratio relevant, or not? YES OR NO?
No its not, since unless you wanted her to cancel all those employees' pensions, which by law she probably cant do, this entire thread is based on a false premise.
The unfunded liabilities to alaska were generate from employees' pensions that we employed and hired well prior to her election. Is this so hard for you to grasp? I'm not trying to be insulting, its just shocking to me that someone like yourself cant discern the fact that the figures being reported is something every state faces as a result of decades of public employees being unionized. This has nothing to do with her.
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YES OR NO, 333386?
Do you disagree with the NY Times?
Stop fuuucking insulting ME, and start answering the threads' questions. What is it with you? Is this ratio relevant, or not? YES OR NO?
No its not, since unless you wanted her to cancel all those employees' pensions, which by law she probably cant do, this entire thread is based on a false premise.
The unfunded liabilities to alaska were generate from employees' pensions that we employed and hired well prior to her election. Is this so hard for you to grasp? I'm not trying to be insulting, its just shocking to me that someone like yourself cant discern the fact that the figures being reported is something every state faces as a result of decades of public employees being unionized. This has nothing to do with her.
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YES OR NO, 333386?
Do you disagree with the NY Times?
Stop fuuucking insulting ME, and start answering the threads' questions. What is it with you? Is this ratio relevant, or not? YES OR NO?
I really wish he would just answer the questions instead of obfuscation via personal attacks.
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I really wish he would just answer the questions instead of obfuscation via personal attacks.
And I really wish some of you guys had more than the equivalent of a 5th grade education and understanding of economics! TA and 240 are two of the freaking worst on this board! Whether its the failed stim bill I argued with you jokers about (Who was fucking right on that?), cash for clunkers, or any other bs, you guys simply have what can be only considered a half ass understanding of public finance at best. And thats being generous!
This bogus story is largely based upon pension obligations of the state of Alaska, which really has not much to do with a current sitting governor. Christie, Patterson, Arnold, and every other governor face the same fiscal disasters due solely to unionized public employees getting pensions that are fiscal time bombs.
Most, if not all, of the employees who generate these unfunded liabilities we hired prior to Palin being elected and already have pensions that are vested, regardless of whether they complete their 20 yr or are or were fired.
If you can show me that as Governonr she hired massive levels of of govt employees, and greatly expanded public debt and public programs and public spending, fine, but if you are going to blame her for pension obligations, than you really should fuck off and educate yourselves since you are utterly CLUELESS on how things work.
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I really wish he would just answer the questions instead of obfuscation via personal attacks.
..and random derailing of the topic....irrelevant pie charts..... contradictory discussions..... etc.....
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..and random derailing of the topic....irrelevant pie charts..... contradictory discussions..... etc.....
I just answered the question in the above post you fool
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The point is 240 it seems that you keep trying to make her relevant when she holds no political position anymore. She may rally a few hardcore GOP hangerons, but in all reality she isn't going to be the front runner that many say she is.
And do me a favor...quit trying to find the silver lining in everything. Sometimes it just isn't there.
Oh, back to the question...she is a RINO like most of the GOP that have no clue regarding economics. ;D
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'The point is 240 it seems that you keep trying to make her relevant when she holds no political position anymore. '
What position does Romney hold?
What position does Rudy hold? Huck?
None of them hold andy political position - and they're the top frontrunners for 2012.
Only thune and lame duck pawlenty remain in office and in contention. So yes, she is relevant.
Good call on the RINO economics with her.
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PLEASE no hucklebee or romney!
Paul, Pence, Ryan, Thune, DeMint, Palin, or some undeclared business person or I am staying home.
I loath romney and hucklebee.
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'The point is 240 it seems that you keep trying to make her relevant when she holds no political position anymore. '
What position does Romney hold?
What position does Rudy hold? Huck?
None of them hold andy political position - and they're the top frontrunners for 2012.
Only thune and lame duck pawlenty remain in office and in contention. So yes, she is relevant.
Good call on the RINO economics with her.
I disagree with your analysis of Huck and Romney. I believe there have been several polls where they were very low favorites for 2012. I didn't like Palin as soon as I found out about her spending habits back when she was mayor of Wasilla...it is simply my opinion of her relevance to national politics in the current time. I really don't think that she has a shot in 2012 either. I really hope by then a third party comes to prominence with more people becoming more interested in the way our country is governed.
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Intrade has huck at 5.6%
Romney at 23.1
palin at 23.1
Thune at 15.3%
Pawlenty at 8.1%
Palin has been dropping a few fractions of a point - she was up by 2 fulll points a month back, I think.
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I disagree with your analysis of Huck and Romney. I believe there have been several polls where they were very low favorites for 2012. I didn't like Palin as soon as I found out about her spending habits back when she was mayor of Wasilla...it is simply my opinion of her relevance to national politics in the current time. I really don't think that she has a shot in 2012 either. I really hope by then a third party comes to prominence with more people becoming more interested in the way our country is governed.
The only 3rd party type I can see is either a figure like Petraeus, Steve Wynn, Donald Trump, michael Bloomberg, or some business or military person who has credibility in their field.
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The only 3rd party type I can see is either a figure like Petraeus, Steve Wynn, Donald Trump, michael Bloomberg, or some business or military person who has credibility in their field.
I would never vote for Bloomberg or Trump. Trump loves himself way too much, and I think that he might allow foreign leaders to touch his comeover. Bloomberg clearly doesn't respect the Constitution in regards to the 2nd ammendment and his "investigations" into other states. That's bullshit.
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I would never vote for Bloomberg or Trump. Trump loves himself way too much, and I think that he might allow foreign leaders to touch his comeover. Bloomberg clearly doesn't respect the Constitution in regards to the 2nd ammendment and his "investigations" into other states. That's bullshit.
Look, I hate bloombergs' 2nd amendtment stuff with a passion. I live here. however, my point is that only a person with credible private sector accomplishments might be taken seriously in 2012.
No huck or Romney!
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'a person with credible private sector accomplishments might be taken seriously in 2012. '
Do you fell palin has credible private sector accomplishments?
IMO, she's about as green as obama when it comes to that... outside of her quick stints in office... let's see:
part-time sports reporter for 2 years?
worked for lobbying big oil for a year?
1 year as 'media personality'?
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Look, I hate bloombergs' 2nd amendtment stuff with a passion. I live here. however, my point is that only a person with credible private sector accomplishments might be taken seriously in 2012.
No huck or Romney!
I understand your point; my point is that a candidate had better respect all aspects of our Constitution.
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I understand your point; my point is that a candidate had better respect all aspects of our Constitution.
Ha ha. I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.