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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/os-mount-dora-doctor-tells-patients-go-aw20100401,0,7224897.story
I want to shake this doc's hand.
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X2 the doc is awesome!
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its nice to know that the segregation thats about to start the next civil war was started by a doctor....thats so lame....why cant somebody who is a badass start the civil war?
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/os-mount-dora-doctor-tells-patients-go-aw20100401,0,7224897.story
I want to shake this doc's hand.
For what? Regardless of who his patients vote for, he does have a obligation. Now dude is a urologist, which means if a dude has a problem with his Wang or prostate, they go see him. Now, this tends to be those 45-70. Also they have been pushing Viagra, cialis, etc hard for the past few yrs. And not espousing healthy living---the doctors have been getting kickbacks from the drug companies---especially urologist like him. And Florida has a high population of senior citizens---the primary target of the ED market, which he services. I believe ederly people tend to have medicaid. The bill might affect him to the point where he may not make that much of a profit...he's also 67 yrs old,
Start putting the pieces together and you'll see that Greed is his motivator, and you guys are cheering him on. Pitiful, you guys can't see the forest for the trees.
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For what? Regardless of who his patients vote for, he does have a obligation. Now dude is a urologist, which means if a dude has a problem with his Wang or prostate, they go see him. Now, this tends to be those 45-70. Also they have been pushing Viagra, cialis, etc hard for the past few yrs. And not espousing healthy living---the doctors have been getting kickbacks from the drug companies---especially urologist like him. And Florida has a high population of senior citizens---the primary target of the ED market, which he services. I believe ederly people tend to have medicaid. The bill might affect him to the point where he may not make that much of a profit...he's also 67 yrs old,
Start putting the pieces together and you'll see that Greed is his motivator, and you guys are cheering him on. Pitiful, you guys can't see the forest for the trees.
I know what a sorry excuse for a fucking doctor, caring for his patients and helping the sick is not his primary goal but making as much money as possible,disgusting. Low life piece of shit.
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X2 the doc is awesome!
Hypocrite
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Probably a publicity stunt, he expects that the customers/patients who will come to his office will be more than the existing/potential customers he loses.
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X2 the doc is awesome!
not treating sick people because of who they voted for is not awesome.
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X2 the doc is awesome!
jesus will turn you away.
"And when Jesus heard it, he said to him, "One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me."
"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
better hope you dont believe that shit, looks like you aint getting your gifts in teh heavenz
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We need more guys like this doctor to ungay this fucking world!
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For what? Regardless of who his patients vote for, he does have a obligation. Now dude is a urologist, which means if a dude has a problem with his Wang or prostate, they go see him. Now, this tends to be those 45-70. Also they have been pushing Viagra, cialis, etc hard for the past few yrs. And not espousing healthy living---the doctors have been getting kickbacks from the drug companies---especially urologist like him. And Florida has a high population of senior citizens---the primary target of the ED market, which he services. I believe ederly people tend to have medicaid. The bill might affect him to the point where he may not make that much of a profit...he's also 67 yrs old,
Start putting the pieces together and you'll see that Greed is his motivator, and you guys are cheering him on. Pitiful, you guys can't see the forest for the trees.
Before you start spouting off your ignorant and uneducated mouth take 5 seconds and do a google search next time. I worked at a retail pharmacy for a while and medicaid or medicare does not cover viagra or cialis or ED drugs.
What obligation does he have?? There are lots and lots of docs that refuse to see medicare patients. This is not new.
I happen to know a pharmacist who ran a mom and pop pharmacy and after 30 years he had to close his doors because medicare and medicaid were on average 8 months behind in reimbursing him for the prescriptions that federal assistance programs were subsidizing. Now, how do you expect Barry's system to be any more efficient...while at the same time supposedly "reducing costs by $500 billion"?
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jesus will turn you away.
"And when Jesus heard it, he said to him, "One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me."
"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
better hope you dont believe that shit, looks like you aint getting your gifts in teh heavenz
Jesus did not exist.
There is no heaven.
There is no hell.
Show me proof.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/os-mount-dora-doctor-tells-patients-go-aw20100401,0,7224897.story
I want to shake this doc's hand.
He's a urologist, so make sure you wash it afterwards!
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''Probably a publicity stunt, he expects that the customers/patients who will come to his office will be more than the existing/potential customers he loses."
Correct. I'm sure he feels that way, but at the same time, I'm guessing most people needing to see a urologist voted mccain/palin last time.
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so they'll take their business elsewhere
the doc loses :)
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I know what a sorry excuse for a fucking doctor, caring for his patients and helping the sick is not his primary goal but making as much money as possible,disgusting. Low life piece of shit.
You, sir are about as intelligent as my dog who chases his tail for extended periods of time until eventually wearing himself out.
Like your ignoramous buddy Parker, do a google search before posting stupid bullshit.
My buddy is in med school. When he graduates he will have around $260,000 - $275,000 worth of school loans. Then for another 3-5 years he will do his residency making around $60K a year putting in 12-18 hour days. He will then start to practice medicine. Most likley OB GYN ...so he says. His malpractice insurance will be over $100,000 a year if he doesn't get sued...which in that field is a 50% chance. Let's say he does get sued...then he will have to pay atleast $200,000 a year in malpractice. ...also factor in that he will be in a high income tax bracket and Uncle Sam will take half of his income.
A neurologist I smoke cigars with pays $60,000 a year in malpractice because he's never been sued in 18 years of practice and he's not a surgeon. That is on the very bottom end of the pool as far as pay out goes.
Now, let's hear your argument again about making as much money as possible when you're in the hole right off the bat if you want to be a physician.
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Correct. I'm sure he feels that way, but at the same time, I'm guessing most people needing to see a urologist voted mccain/palin last time.
hahahahaahahahahaha ! :) :D ;D
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so they'll take their business elsewhere
the doc loses :)
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How does the doctor lose?
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Jesus did not exist.
There is no heaven.
There is no hell.
Show me proof.
agreed, coach is a christian however.
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You, sir are about as intelligent as my dog who chases his tail for extended periods of time until eventually wearing himself out.
Like your ignoramous buddy Parker, do a google search before posting stupid bullshit.
My buddy is in med school. When he graduates he will have around $260,000 - $275,000 worth of school loans. Then for another 3-5 years he will do his residency making around $60K a year putting in 12-18 hour days. He will then start to practice medicine. Most likley OB GYN ...so he says. His malpractice insurance will be over $100,000 a year if he doesn't get sued...which in that field is a 50% chance. Let's say he does get sued...then he will have to pay atleast $200,000 a year in malpractice. ...also factor in that he will be in a high income tax bracket and Uncle Sam will take half of his income.
A neurologist I smoke cigars with pays $60,000 a year in malpractice because he's never been sued in 18 years of practice and he's not a surgeon. That is on the very bottom end of the pool as far as pay out goes.
Now, let's hear your argument again about making as much money as possible when you're in the hole right off the bat if you want to be a physician.
Im in med school you fucking moron. you really want to go down this road. Want to look at the stats and figures?
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How democratic ::)
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Before you start spouting off your ignorant and uneducated mouth take 5 seconds and do a google search next time. I worked at a retail pharmacy for a while and medicaid or medicare does not cover viagra or cialis or ED drugs.
What obligation does he have?? There are lots and lots of docs that refuse to see medicare patients. This is not new.
I happen to know a pharmacist who ran a mom and pop pharmacy and after 30 years he had to close his doors because medicare and medicaid were on average 8 months behind in reimbursing him for the prescriptions that federal assistance programs were subsidizing. Now, how do you expect Barry's system to be any more efficient...while at the same time supposedly "reducing costs by $500 billion"?
so, you only latch on to one thing I said, which I said, I wasn't sure of? So basically you have no point.
What did I say before? What was my whole point? You failed to answer that.
Also, you stated that you worked for a pharmacy. So, you probably have seen a rise in forged scripts for oxycodone,etc. And why is that? Typically because these opiate contolled dangerous drugs are prescribed by doctors who know that they are addictive, but they are pushed by the companies to push them. Just like the ED drugs
There is money to be made in keeping part of population addicted, or buying ED drugs...if more people were healthy, common sense would say that there would be less doctors, correct?
Focus on the whole instead of a part...a meal is more than one item on the plate.
And that is what you Obamahaters fail to realize...don't get me wrong. I believe all politicians are whores, every last one of them, but it doesn't mean that they cant be good whores.
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This health care reform is NOT a Democratic thing. Republicans wanted it too.
All the argueing and fighting was just theatrics. Behind closed doors, in secret meetings, both sides wanted to get it done.
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You, sir are about as intelligent as my dog who chases his tail for extended periods of time until eventually wearing himself out.
Like your ignoramous buddy Parker, do a google search before posting stupid bullshit.
My buddy is in med school. When he graduates he will have around $260,000 - $275,000 worth of school loans. Then for another 3-5 years he will do his residency making around $60K a year putting in 12-18 hour days. He will then start to practice medicine. Most likley OB GYN ...so he says. His malpractice insurance will be over $100,000 a year if he doesn't get sued...which in that field is a 50% chance. Let's say he does get sued...then he will have to pay atleast $200,000 a year in malpractice. ...also factor in that he will be in a high income tax bracket and Uncle Sam will take half of his income.
A neurologist I smoke cigars with pays $60,000 a year in malpractice because he's never been sued in 18 years of practice and he's not a surgeon. That is on the very bottom end of the pool as far as pay out goes.
Now, let's hear your argument again about making as much money as possible when you're in the hole right off the bat if you want to be a physician.
Spot on! Smart people who make sacrifices and devote years of their lives before they even practice and make a dime deserve to be compensated when they finally do treat people.
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"Medical malpractice premiums cost an average of $18,400 in 2000, down from the 1986 average of $20,106 in inflation-adjusted dollars, according to a study published on Tuesday in Health Affairs, the Boston Herald reports (Heldt Powell, Boston Herald)."
http://mdsalaries.blogspot.com/2008/01/medical-malpractice-insurance-premium.html
http://www.modernmedicine.com/modernmedicine/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=532640
"Malpractice insurance rates dipped by an average of 4 percent across the country in 2007, according to actuarial research recently presented to the Physician Insurers Association of America. But in primary care specialties, the cost of insurance continued to be one of the highest practice expenses. Family physicians, internists, and pediatricians all paid a median of $12,500 annually for med-mal coverage, based on the survey. Ob/gyns forked over more than four times as much, because of their propensity to be sued. GPs, many of whom are older and phasing out of practice, paid just $7,500.
Malpractice premiums are expected to stabilize or continue falling through 2009 in most areas, primarily because insurers are getting hit with fewer malpractice suits. Rob Francis, COO of The Doctors Company, one of the nation's biggest medical liability insurers, says that lawsuits have fallen anywhere from 10 to 75 percent since 2004, depending on locale. The largest percentage drop was in Texas, which reformed its tort law during that period"
High risk practices like OB GYN, neurosurgery etc obviously have to pay higher premiums you twit, look up the data on the average cost of the urologists premium compared to salary. Nice selection of practice by the way, they still make way more then they pay out and does he not receive grants? burseries? if not he is a moron.
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Also, dude is in Florida, and is a urologist---older men tend to have ED and prostate issues, I believe older people tend to have Medicare. I don't know for sure. But if most of his client s are older and have medicare, why would he turn them away? That's if he does? I know, that I used to go to a doctor who had mostly older patients, so mostly he took Medicare...
It's up to them to decide, but he has no reason to turn people away based on who a person voted for.
That's like giving a person a speeding ticket and basis was because they have either a McCain or Obama bumper sticker
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My buddy is in med school. When he graduates he will have around $260,000 - $275,000 worth of school loans. Then for another 3-5 years he will do his residency making around $60K a year putting in 12-18 hour days. He will then start to practice medicine. Most likley OB GYN ...so he says. His malpractice insurance will be over $100,000 a year if he doesn't get sued...which in that field is a 50% chance. Let's say he does get sued...then he will have to pay atleast $200,000 a year in malpractice. ...also factor in that he will be in a high income tax bracket and Uncle Sam will take half of his income.
HAHAHAHAHA you are a moron. what fucking school is he going to? the fucking avg tuition in the states is around 20gs per year add in grants and any scholarship/bursaries and that dips. Some schools are as low as 5 grand per year, where are you getting this 300,000 dollar loan? must be some fucking loan he is getting, he must literally have no money, no where to live etc..
A gp's malpractice is minimal they make quite a bit, there loans are low and they recoup it fast. You are sensationalizing the situation, you also happen to pick one of the most sued fucking practices in the field of medicine. Why dont you average it out with the good old pediatrician huh. Any doctor who posts a sign like that is a fucking moron, MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!! fucking hippocratic oath my ass.
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HAHAHAHAHA you are a moron. what fucking school is he going to? the fucking avg tuition in the states is around 20gs per year add in grants and any scholarship/bursaries and that dips. Some schools are as low as 5 grand per year, where are you getting this 300,000 dollar loan? must be some fucking loan he is getting, he must literally have no money, no where to live etc..
A gp's malpractice is minimal they make quite a bit, there loans are low and they recoup it fast. You are sensationalizing the situation, you also happen to pick one of the most sued fucking practices in the field of medicine. Why dont you average it out with the good old pediatrician huh. Any doctor who posts a sign like that is a fucking moron, MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!! fucking hippocratic oath my ass.
You should look at school tuitions before calling people morons. Any decent med school (barring going to a state school) is going to cost a pretty penny. I'd love to see a GOOD med school with a $5,000 tuition.
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Now, let's hear your argument again about making as much money as possible when you're in the hole right off the bat if you want to be a physician.
didnt see this, if you actually read your own link the dude is 67 your argument in non sequitor, he has no loan. He is not in the hole, fail, do not pass go do not collect malpractice insurance, vote obama hippy fag.
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You should look at school tuitions before calling people morons. Any decent med school (barring going to a state school) is going to cost a pretty penny. I'd love to see a GOOD med school with a $5,000 tuition.
i did, i pay 20gs a year. I know a great school that is around 5-6gs a year, it is a very good school and has a very good program with lots of government help. Limited spots mind you, to a ridiculous degree.
I dont live in the states so its harder for me to estimate, but the data i posted are from the states.
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HAHAHAHAHA you are a moron. what fucking school is he going to? the fucking avg tuition in the states is around 20gs per year add in grants and any scholarship/bursaries and that dips. Some schools are as low as 5 grand per year, where are you getting this 300,000 dollar loan? must be some fucking loan he is getting, he must literally have no money, no where to live etc..
A gp's malpractice is minimal they make quite a bit, there loans are low and they recoup it fast. You are sensationalizing the situation, you also happen to pick one of the most sued fucking practices in the field of medicine. Why dont you average it out with the good old pediatrician huh. Any doctor who posts a sign like that is a fucking moron, MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!! fucking hippocratic oath my ass.
Tuition is that low? :o :o My friend is in medical school and he will be in debt well over $200,000. I don't know where you're getting your stats from but you're wrong.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/os-mount-dora-doctor-tells-patients-go-aw20100401,0,7224897.story
I want to shake this doc's hand.
hi adonis...
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HAHAHAHAHA you are a moron. what fucking school is he going to? the fucking avg tuition in the states is around 20gs per year add in grants and any scholarship/bursaries and that dips. Some schools are as low as 5 grand per year, where are you getting this 300,000 dollar loan? must be some fucking loan he is getting, he must literally have no money, no where to live etc..
A gp's malpractice is minimal they make quite a bit, there loans are low and they recoup it fast. You are sensationalizing the situation, you also happen to pick one of the most sued fucking practices in the field of medicine. Why dont you average it out with the good old pediatrician huh. Any doctor who posts a sign like that is a fucking moron, MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!! fucking hippocratic oath my ass.
Dude, what fucking school do YOU go to? You mention that you're not an American graduate, and I think that's kinda obvious. Are you at one of the Caribbean schools? If that's the case, I wish you a lot of luck in primary care because you're about to get killed. As far as your statements about med school debt...wow. I graduated from an American med school a few years ago, and 20g's per year for med school is way on the low end. There are some state schools where the tuition hovers around that range, but please, 100k+ debts are more the norm for med students. And even for those state schools, when you factor in the cost of books, living expenses, etc., most people top 100k easily. Add to that the fact that many of the students in medical school went to top tier colleges like Harvard, Stanford, etc. and that debt can jump to the 200k+ range. And please show me a school that costs 5g a year. I'd sure like to know of one.
And just based on your responses here, I have a really hard time believing you know much about American medicine. GPs make quite a bit? Hardly. GPs are the lowest paid of any doctors and have been complaining for years about medicare and medicaid reimbursement. If GP was so great, we'd probably have a much easier time recruiting American graduates into it. Instead, over half of the spots go to foreign grads because American med students find it to be the least appealing of all specialties. Average salary is roughly 140k or less per most recent stats, and they work their asses off.
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You should look at school tuitions before calling people morons. Any decent med school (barring going to a state school) is going to cost a pretty penny. I'd love to see a GOOD med school with a $5,000 tuition.
There are no medical schools in this country that charge 5,000$ a year for tuition. The vast majority of colleges in this country (even the cheap ones) charge more than that a semester to earn a bachelors degree. What planet is this fucking idiot on?
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There are no medical schools in this country that charge 5,000$ a year for tuition. The vast majority of colleges in this country (even the cheap ones) charge more than that a semester to earn a bachelors degree. What planet is this fucking idiot on?
Even good state med schools are going to run $10-20k at the least. And that's a generous estimate.
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thats why they should no what they are getting into b4 they decide to major in medicine...
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jesus will turn you away.
"And when Jesus heard it, he said to him, "One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me."
"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
better hope you dont believe that shit, looks like you aint getting your gifts in teh heavenz
Mmmm, I read and heard this story when it came out. He said he has an ethical obligation to help people if they need it, but if they don't go to him and walk out because of his stance..well basically, don't let the door hit you in the ass.
Nice try anyway Necrosis.
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Dude, what fucking school do YOU go to? You mention that you're not an American graduate, and I think that's kinda obvious. Are you at one of the Caribbean schools? If that's the case, I wish you a lot of luck in primary care because you're about to get killed. As far as your statements about med school debt...wow. I graduated from an American med school a few years ago, and 20g's per year for med school is way on the low end. There are some state schools where the tuition hovers around that range, but please, 100k+ debts are more the norm for med students. And even for those state schools, when you factor in the cost of books, living expenses, etc., most people top 100k easily. Add to that the fact that many of the students in medical school went to top tier colleges like Harvard, Stanford, etc. and that debt can jump to the 200k+ range. And please show me a school that costs 5g a year. I'd sure like to know of one.
And just based on your responses here, I have a really hard time believing you know much about American medicine. GPs make quite a bit? Hardly. GPs are the lowest paid of any doctors and have been complaining for years about medicare and medicaid reimbursement. If GP was so great, we'd probably have a much easier time recruiting American graduates into it. Instead, over half of the spots go to foreign grads because American med students find it to be the least appealing of all specialties. Average salary is roughly 140k or less per most recent stats, and they work their asses off.
140-200k is a good living and they do not work their asses off, not sure what gps you have been talking to. 100k or more is right on for the debt, 300k is a bit much and a bit sensationalist. If you odnt consider 140-160 quite a bit then thats the issue, that is a very nice living.
Memorial university medical school. Im canadian.
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http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/05/florida-doctor-colmes/
Florida Doctor Warning Away Obama Voters Admits He Doesn’t Know What He’s Talking About On Health Care
Last week, the Orlando Sentinel reported that a Republican urologist in Florida, Dr. Jack Cassell, posted a sign on his business door reading: “If you voted for Obama…seek urologic care elsewhere. Changes to your healthcare begin right now, not in four years.” On Friday evening, Alan Colmes interview Cassell, who basically admitted that he didn’t know the facts of the new health care reform law:
COLMES: Do you really think the government wants people dead?
CASSELL: Well I think that they’re cutting all supportive care, like nursing homes, ambulance services –
COLMES: What do you mean they’re cutting nursing homes?
CASSELL: They’re cutting nursing home reimbursements.
COLMES: Isn’t what they’re cutting under the Medicare plan what was really double dipping; they were getting credits and they were getting to deduct them at the same time.
CASSELL: Well you know, I can’t tell you exactly what the deal is.
COLMES: If you can’t tell us exactly what the deal is, why are you opposing it and fighting against it?
CASSELL: I’m not the guy who wrote the plan.
COLMES: But if you don’t know what the deal is why are you speaking out against something you don’t know what the deal is?
CASSELL: What I get online, just like any other American. What I’m supposed to understand about the bill should be available to me.
COLMES: It is; it’s been online for a long time; it’s also been all over the media.
A local TV station in Florida spoke to one of Cassell’s patients, who said that while the doctor’s care has been “wonderful,” he’s never going back after this political stunt. “Keep politics out,” said patient Steve Berger. “I mean, he can have his opinion, but what’s the next sign saying? If you’re Catholic, you can’t come? Or you’re an Arab, you can’t come in, or you’re a Jew? It has to stop somewhere.”
It’s not surprising that Cassell doesn’t have the full facts on the health care law. While he wasn’t even aware that the Affordable Care Act could be accessed online, he “keeps Republican materials in the waiting room” for his patients to read. As Colmes pointed out, the National Association of Home Care and Hospice actually praised the new law.
Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) has said that he is helping a constituent who was affected by Cassell’s sign file a complaint. In response to this news, Cassell said, “I think he [Grayson] really seriously needs to see a psychiatrist, number one, because he needs to be on some kind of medicine.”
Cassell insists that he’s not actually turning patients away, but as of this morning, he told Fox and Friends that his sign is still up.
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Tuition is that low? :o :o My friend is in medical school and he will be in debt well over $200,000. I don't know where you're getting your stats from but you're wrong.
look at the link, im not wrong, my stats are correct.
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http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/05/florida-doctor-colmes/
Florida Doctor Warning Away Obama Voters Admits He Doesn’t Know What He’s Talking About On Health Care
Last week, the Orlando Sentinel reported that a Republican urologist in Florida, Dr. Jack Cassell, posted a sign on his business door reading: “If you voted for Obama…seek urologic care elsewhere. Changes to your healthcare begin right now, not in four years.” On Friday evening, Alan Colmes interview Cassell, who basically admitted that he didn’t know the facts of the new health care reform law:
COLMES: Do you really think the government wants people dead?
CASSELL: Well I think that they’re cutting all supportive care, like nursing homes, ambulance services –
COLMES: What do you mean they’re cutting nursing homes?
CASSELL: They’re cutting nursing home reimbursements.
COLMES: Isn’t what they’re cutting under the Medicare plan what was really double dipping; they were getting credits and they were getting to deduct them at the same time.
CASSELL: Well you know, I can’t tell you exactly what the deal is.
COLMES: If you can’t tell us exactly what the deal is, why are you opposing it and fighting against it?
CASSELL: I’m not the guy who wrote the plan.
COLMES: But if you don’t know what the deal is why are you speaking out against something you don’t know what the deal is?
CASSELL: What I get online, just like any other American. What I’m supposed to understand about the bill should be available to me.
COLMES: It is; it’s been online for a long time; it’s also been all over the media.
A local TV station in Florida spoke to one of Cassell’s patients, who said that while the doctor’s care has been “wonderful,” he’s never going back after this political stunt. “Keep politics out,” said patient Steve Berger. “I mean, he can have his opinion, but what’s the next sign saying? If you’re Catholic, you can’t come? Or you’re an Arab, you can’t come in, or you’re a Jew? It has to stop somewhere.”
It’s not surprising that Cassell doesn’t have the full facts on the health care law. While he wasn’t even aware that the Affordable Care Act could be accessed online, he “keeps Republican materials in the waiting room” for his patients to read. As Colmes pointed out, the National Association of Home Care and Hospice actually praised the new law.
Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) has said that he is helping a constituent who was affected by Cassell’s sign file a complaint. In response to this news, Cassell said, “I think he [Grayson] really seriously needs to see a psychiatrist, number one, because he needs to be on some kind of medicine.”
Cassell insists that he’s not actually turning patients away, but as of this morning, he told Fox and Friends that his sign is still up.
Oh god what do you know this guys a fucking moron.
"Add to that the fact that many of the students in medical school went to top tier colleges like Harvard, Stanford, etc. and that debt can jump to the 200k+ range"
like the assholes in this thread, the majority of med students go to harvard and stanford apparently ::)
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For what? Regardless of who his patients vote for, he does have a obligation. Now dude is a urologist, which means if a dude has a problem with his Wang or prostate, they go see him. Now, this tends to be those 45-70. Also they have been pushing Viagra, cialis, etc hard for the past few yrs. And not espousing healthy living---the doctors have been getting kickbacks from the drug companies---especially urologist like him. And Florida has a high population of senior citizens---the primary target of the ED market, which he services. I believe ederly people tend to have medicaid. The bill might affect him to the point where he may not make that much of a profit...he's also 67 yrs old,
Start putting the pieces together and you'll see that Greed is his motivator, and you guys are cheering him on. Pitiful, you guys can't see the forest for the trees.
What is pitiful is you and the rest of the nimrods in D.C are failing to understand is the majority of the American people didn't want this crap and it was forced on all of us. He has a private practice, and can turn down anyone he wants. He doesn't want to treat Obamacare supporters. That is his right...
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Dude, what fucking school do YOU go to? You mention that you're not an American graduate, and I think that's kinda obvious. Are you at one of the Caribbean schools? If that's the case, I wish you a lot of luck in primary care because you're about to get killed. As far as your statements about med school debt...wow. I graduated from an American med school a few years ago, and 20g's per year for med school is way on the low end. There are some state schools where the tuition hovers around that range, but please, 100k+ debts are more the norm for med students. And even for those state schools, when you factor in the cost of books, living expenses, etc., most people top 100k easily. Add to that the fact that many of the students in medical school went to top tier colleges like Harvard, Stanford, etc. and that debt can jump to the 200k+ range. And please show me a school that costs 5g a year. I'd sure like to know of one.
And just based on your responses here, I have a really hard time believing you know much about American medicine. GPs make quite a bit? Hardly. GPs are the lowest paid of any doctors and have been complaining for years about medicare and medicaid reimbursement. If GP was so great, we'd probably have a much easier time recruiting American graduates into it. Instead, over half of the spots go to foreign grads because American med students find it to be the least appealing of all specialties. Average salary is roughly 140k or less per most recent stats, and they work their asses off.
Quoted for truth!
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Also, at AMSA@UC Davis last october, a deans panelist from some top school said 300k debt was very average for a lot of medical school graduates.
She also said the last thing a doctor should be worrying about is money, which I found insightful and also true.
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Average debt for US medical students is $142,000 per US news & world report 4/2011. But that is just medical school debt. Many people, like me, who went to medical school also had debts from college. It is most common for total debts to be $150-200,000.
Malpractice in Ohio for full time family physicians is $21,000/yr and that is the cheapest my broker can find. As a surgeon your looking at about $100,000 per yr, an OB/GYN probably more. The system is horrible, encourages lawsuits and raises our rates even if we are just named in a suit. Rapidly rising overhead costs, licensing and numerous new regulations coming down (EHR, Meaningful Use) are forcing more private docs to fold into hospital systems.
We don't start making real money for 12-14 years after HS graduation, yrs of volunteer work and give up a decade of nights & weekends to work. Then the various taxes take over 40% of your income. How about they give a tax holiday equal to the debt and to compensate for the years of delayed earnings before they start taking nearly half of our income.
As a family doctor, this has not been a great financial decision for me though it is rewarding helping people. Making $130K is nice but (especially after taxes) doesn't compensate for all the shit we went through and the amazingly important job and long hours we are putting in, not to mention we achieved what others couldn't, or didn't want to (pay is also determined by ability, sports figures make millions for physical ability). The salary discrepancy between generalist and specialists are also too great.
I heard yesterday that California lifeguards were making up to $200,000/yr including benefits and also get a pension for life when retiring, paying only 3.5% in of their salary. I've had enough of big government liberals and I am a center/right guy, not some extremist.
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Gen surgery here in GA is about 10k a year out in the country, everybody else gets screwed. Grads rushing into the city should have rich parents.
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Average debt for US medical students is $142,000 per US news & world report 4/2011. But that is just medical school debt. Many people, like me, who went to medical school also had debts from college. It is most common for total debts to be $150-200,000.
Malpractice in Ohio for full time family physicians is $21,000/yr and that is the cheapest my broker can find. As a surgeon your looking at about $100,000 per yr, an OB/GYN probably more. The system is horrible, encourages lawsuits and raises our rates even if we are just named in a suit. Rapidly rising overhead costs, licensing and numerous new regulations coming down (EHR, Meaningful Use) are forcing more private docs to fold into hospital systems.
We don't start making real money for 12-14 years after HS graduation, yrs of volunteer work and give up a decade of nights & weekends to work. Then the various taxes take over 40% of your income. How about they give a tax holiday equal to the debt and to compensate for the years of delayed earnings before they start taking nearly half of our income.
As a family doctor, this has not been a great financial decision for me though it is rewarding helping people. Making $130K is nice but (especially after taxes) doesn't compensate for all the shit we went through and the amazingly important job and long hours we are putting in, not to mention we achieved what others couldn't, or didn't want to (pay is also determined by ability, sports figures make millions for physical ability). The salary discrepancy between generalist and specialists are also too great.
I heard yesterday that California lifeguards were making up to $200,000/yr including benefits and also get a pension for life when retiring, paying only 3.5% in of their salary. I've had enough of big government liberals and I am a center/right guy, not some extremist.
Which states and type of practice would be ideal for a new grad? Where would you recommend one go for completing residency?
Which specialties IYO pay the highest?
Do you see the medical field changing in a positive way? How about a decade from now?
If you had everything to do all over again, what changes would you make?
Haven't heard the lifeguard thing- what lifeguards are there???
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Also, at AMSA@UC Davis last october, a deans panelist from some top school said 300k debt was very average for a lot of medical school graduates.
She also said the last thing a doctor should be worrying about is money, which I found insightful and also true.
Reason for bumping this old-ass thread? ::)
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Necro...I won't even debate with you the costs of med school because it sounds like you're in some third world country and have no concept of USA money.
Look up Rush Med school in Chicago. It's $60some thousand a year.
Also the mal practice insurance here in Illinois is fucked up. This is not debateable either.
The numbers are what they are and some link you found is very inaccurate.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/os-mount-dora-doctor-tells-patients-go-aw20100401,0,7224897.story
I want to shake this doc's hand.
I think it should be legal for the guy to choose his patients.
I mean unless the dude is like bleeding.
Is there some shortage of doctors?
how about we set limit on number of lawyers and train more docs?
mass produce medical care and price goes commodity low
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Necro...I won't even debate with you the costs of med school because it sounds like you're in some third world country and have no concept of USA money.
Look up Rush Med school in Chicago. It's $60some thousand a year.
Also the mal practice insurance here in Illinois is fucked up. This is not debateable either.
The numbers are what they are and some link you found is very inaccurate.
i have in this thread stated where i live, so you obviously are stupid or have not read the thread. The fact is that doctors, particularly specialists make very good money.There are a ton of medical schools that a very pricey, likewise there a some that are much more reasonable. Mal practice insurance is different depending on the discipline, its not one large aggregate.
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I know what a sorry excuse for a fucking doctor, caring for his patients and helping the sick is not his primary goal but making as much money as possible,disgusting. Low life piece of shit.
x1,000,000
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so dude doesn't want look at Obama voter's junk or check their prostates? hahaha what a retard.
but that being said, alot of people in the medical field orworried about the changes.
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Correct my understanding if I am wrong. The ballot is supposed to be private - no one is supposed to know who you voted for unless you tell them. Is this doctor insisting he has the right to know who a patient has voted for?
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Correct my understanding if I am wrong. The ballot is supposed to be private - no one is supposed to know who you voted for unless you tell them. Is this doctor insisting he has the right to know who a patient has voted for?
no, he put a sign out front to offend patients, and loads up his waiting room with right wing documents and pamphlets. This way he hopes they will not come in and show him their junk and assholes. I have see any reports that he forces them to say if they voted for obama.
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no, he put a sign out front to offend patients, and loads up his waiting room with right wing documents and pamphlets. This way he hopes they will not come in and show him their junk and assholes. I have see any reports that he forces them to say if they voted for obama.
That does sound unethical, he's treading a fine line.
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That does sound unethical, he's treading a fine line.
it is if he is giving patients subpar care base on politics. One call to the fl dept of health and dude is going to be investigated. im honestly surprise they has been a civil sue yet.