Thinking of stacking clen and ephedrine. Thoughts.....
Bodybuilding is a sport about extremes, driving your own musculature to a point of supraphysiological hypertrophy (and in the cases of some advanced peptide users, hyperplasia) and reducing body fat percentages near essential levels. In the pursuit of simultaneously attaining such starkly contrasting polar opposites, it is often necessary to use exogenous chemicals to combat the body's physiological equilibrium mechanisms. Clenbuterol and Ephedrine are two such popular exogenous "fat burners" used to push through difficult bodyfat reduction boundaries while simultaneously maintaing high levels of muscularity. While some lipid incernating chemicals possess positively synergistic effects when combined - such as ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin - clenbuterol in simultaneous combination as ephedrine will not illicit positive effects. To avoid the exaggeration of negative side effects typical with stimulants, adrenergic agonists and thermogenics, it would not be wise to dose clenbuterol and ephedrine simultaneously. I would suggest that instead of a simultaneous dosing protocol you alternate clenbuterol with ephedrine and caffeine every 2-3 weeks. This will reduce your body's natural tolerance based resistance as well as greatly diminish the negative side effects that synergistic dosing would induce.
- HR
. I would suggest that instead of a simultaneous dosing protocol you alternate clenbuterol with ephedrine and caffeine every 2-3 weeks. This will reduce your body's natural tolerance based resistance as well as greatly diminish the negative side effects that synergistic dosing would induce.
- HR
errr BOTH are beta adergenic agonists.....BOTH will down regulate beta receptors :-\ ie build the same kinda tolerance
Clearly your understanding of chemistry as it relates to human physiology is sub-par; most likely limited to your freshman year college intro to biology requirement and some wikipedia articles. Please spend some time at a university of higher learning, taking years of courses dedicated to specifically understanding the very mechanisms that make the human body "tick" and then return to this thread.
Bodybuilding is a sport about extremes, driving your own musculature to a point of supraphysiological hypertrophy (and in the cases of some advanced peptide users, hyperplasia) and reducing body fat percentages near essential levels. In the pursuit of simultaneously attaining such starkly contrasting polar opposites, it is often necessary to use exogenous chemicals to combat the body's physiological equilibrium mechanisms. Clenbuterol and Ephedrine are two such popular exogenous "fat burners" used to push through difficult bodyfat reduction boundaries while simultaneously maintaing high levels of muscularity. While some lipid incernating chemicals possess positively synergistic effects when combined - such as ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin - clenbuterol in simultaneous combination as ephedrine will not illicit positive effects. To avoid the exaggeration of negative side effects typical with stimulants, adrenergic agonists and thermogenics, it would not be wise to dose clenbuterol and ephedrine simultaneously. I would suggest that instead of a simultaneous dosing protocol you alternate clenbuterol with ephedrine and caffeine every 2-3 weeks. This will reduce your body's natural tolerance based resistance as well as greatly diminish the negative side effects that synergistic dosing would induce.
- HR
Clearly your understanding of chemistry as it relates to human physiology is sub-par; most likely limited to your freshman year college intro to biology requirement and some wikipedia articles. Please spend some time at a university of higher learning, taking years of courses dedicated to specifically understanding the very mechanisms that make the human body "tick" and then return to this thread.
HugeRipped, can you start a separate question and answer thread? That way we can keep it all in one place and refer to it as needed. You are obviously well educated, knowledgeable and maybe even a genius.
Thank you for just being here.
if u dont know that both r beta agonists then u r either a gimmick or a bullshitter....
i did chem 1..2..micro 1...2....bio chem 1....2....including anatomy 1...2..o and lets not forget physical chem 1....2 ;)
SF1900 you are quickly becoming the best poster in there forums :o
Couldn't you have just said that part in laymens term, or do you feel the need to sound smart on the INTERNET?!?!?!??!
You are simply validating my initial theory that your only experience in science at a university level is the basic freshman core curriculum requirements. While I appreciate you listing to your extensive experience in freshman and sophomore level basic human sciences, I would advice you that you do not continue along this train of conjecture as it will inevitably result in your public embarassment and debasing in the proverbial visage of my academic credentials.
illicit is an adjective not a verb
whether this idiot is a gimmick, or the 150lb. skinny-fat weakling in his avatar................yo u can tell he really likes to convey to people how "smart" he is
you know, cause being smart means paraphrasing journal articles ::) ::) ::)
SF1900 you are quickly becoming the best poster on these forums :o
You are simply validating my initial theory that your only experience in science at a university level is the basic freshman core curriculum requirements. While I appreciate you listing to your extensive experience in freshman and sophomore level basic human sciences, I would advice you that you do not continue along this train of conjecture as it will inevitably result in your public embarassment and debasing in the proverbial visage of my academic credentials.
HR,
It appears that the academic curricula you studied under failed to properly educate you: I think the word you were looking for is ELICIT!
HR why did you stop at a M.S. and not get a Ph.D. ???
I have a PhD in an unrelated field. My life is dedicated to the fitness industry and this is a bodybuilding message board, so it would be simply for the purpose of bragging to bring up my level of education in a completely unrelated area.
Your reply appears to be the final ditch effort of a nameless internet monicker who has been publically shamed by my intellectual voracity too many times. Your attempts at debasing my six years of education at a graduate and post-graduate level with simply a typo are not only futile but an insight into the jealousy of the actual man on the other end of the computer monitor. Is it :-\ become?
I have a PhD in an unrelated field. My life is dedicated to the fitness industry and this is a bodybuilding message board, so it would be simply for the purpose of bragging to bring up my level of education in a completely unrelated area.
What do you have your PhD in? I'm going for my PhD as well.
I have a PhD in an unrelated field. My life is dedicated to the fitness industry and this is a bodybuilding message board, so it would be simply for the purpose of bragging to bring up my level of education in a completely unrelated area.
I obtained a PhD in Clinical Psychology from a post graduate program that was ranked one of the top five most rigorous psychology programs in the United States.
Your reply appears to be the final ditch effort of a nameless internet monicker who has been publically shamed by my intellectual voracity too many times. Your attempts at debasing my six years of education at a graduate and post-graduate level with simply a typo are not only futile but an insight into the jealousy of the actual man on the other end of the computer monitor. Is it that my intellectual level combined with my extensive academia serves as a cutting reminder of what you will never become?
I obtained a PhD in Clinical Psychology from a post graduate program that was ranked one of the top five most rigorous psychology programs in the United States.
LOL using a totally incorrect word is NOT a typo! A typo is adding an extra e or i, not a totally diff word! ;D
It must burn you to the core to know that I possess far more knowledge in the sports performance and aesthetic performance field then you and on top of that I earn more than 4 x the monthly income you do and work under 6 hrs per week.
I was going to suggest you try your hand at a spelling teacher but a/f your numerous mis-spellings and gramatical errors I'm not sure you could teach primer school spelling class. :D
"aesthetic performance"
you single handedly invalidated your outrageous claims with those two words, thank you for saving me the time. I have 3 fitness related academic degrees hanging on my wall and 2 nationally recognized personal training certifications (CSCS, NCSF), meanwhile you claim to be a guru on "aesthetic performance." Never before has it been so easy to expose someone's lack of basic education.
you do know that "exercise science"(quotes intended) is the retard major of the college world...coming in at number 1 is dance , music, sociology and womens studies as a tie but exercise science and psychology are not far behind...
so coming first in a race full of retards...still makes u a retard :-\
Your jealousy is obvious. I am a successful man with an extremely high level of education, pursuing my dream in the field that I love. You are clearly an embittered soul, wrought with personal failures that attempts to debase the successful and intelligent through an anonymous means since you lack the courage to do so in your own personal life.
"aesthetic performance"
you single handedly invalidated your outrageous claims with those two words, thank you for saving me the time. I have 3 fitness related academic degrees hanging on my wall and 2 nationally recognized personal training certifications (CSCS, NCSF), meanwhile you claim to be a guru on "aesthetic performance." Never before has it been so easy to expose someone's lack of basic education.
LOL you are clueless. Do yourself a favorr and shread that NSCA bullshit CSCS its a joke of a cert. Those degrees are practically worthless as you are taking home under 3k per month lol :D
I am a few months away from a Ph.D. in kinesiology. Exercise Science / Kinesiology as an undergrad major is one where I think you get out of it what you put in it. Really excelling takes a pretty good student but it's also easy for retards to skate by and get a degree.
exactly...depends whether u opted to take " bio mechanix of human movement" or choose to slide by taking " history of sport in America"
Are you attempting to claim that an M.S. from one of the most competitive universities in the United States is a "worthless?" Answer carefully.
Everyone has to take biomechanics in any program that's accredited but college education has become so watered down / such a degree factory business that you basically have to be functionally retarded to not get a C.
i dont know...i worked my ass off in differential equations to get a B >:(
I meant just in biomechanics specifically.
I was a mechanical engineering undergrad and I knew lots of smart kids (myself included) who got Bs all over the place.
SF1900 you are quickly becoming the best poster on these forums :o
Your not so bad yourself Stud!
(No Homo)
Are you saying HR is none other than Adam True Adonis Abeles ? :D
whether this idiot is a gimmick, or the 150lb. skinny-fat weakling in his avatar................yo u can tell he really likes to convey to people how "smart" he is
you know, cause being smart means paraphrasing journal articles ::) ::) ::)
im worried that you arent being sarcastic
you do realize this idiot is a gimmick entertaining himself, do you not?
Your not so bad yourself Stud!
(No Homo)
errr BOTH are beta adergenic agonists.....BOTH will down regulate beta receptors :-\ ie build the same kinda tolerance
You are simply validating my initial theory that your only experience in science at a university level is the basic freshman core curriculum requirements. While I appreciate you listing to your extensive experience in freshman and sophomore level basic human sciences, I would advice you that you do not continue along this train of conjecture as it will inevitably result in your public embarassment and debasing in the proverbial visage of my academic credentials.
Oh, fuck, you actually asked him. :-X :-X Get ready for a response you won't understand unless you possess 8 Master degrees. ::) ::)
This gimmick knows how to play the board like a violin, that's for sure. And it's hilarious.HugeRipped is making "Huge" impact many threads are about him.
HugeRipped is making "Huge" impact many threads are about him.
Fine, I'll fucking bite. I can't resist this time.
Clen and Ephedrine stack just fine. Clen is a selective beta-2 agonist. Ephedrine is a non-selective beta agonist, targeting betas 1, 2, and 3.
While beta 1 agonism isn't a potent metabolic process, beta 2 is. However, beta-2 receptors down-regulate especially quickly, leading most users to stack benadryl with clen to help up-regulate beta-2 receptors.
On the other hand, beta-3 receptors actually up-regulate upon consistent agonism. This is why ephedrine anecdotally and clinically yields consistent, long-term, regular thermogenesis. It's agonism of beta-1 and -2 pathways is of little consequence, but since it's tough to find a selective beta-3 agonist on the black market, ephedrine does just fine.
So go ahead and stack them together. Or separate. It all works.
My preference: clen as long as you can stand it (I've done well with 200mcg/day) depending on genetic response. Stack in extra benadryl with your clen (100mg). The benadryl helps to inhibit phospholipase A, which acts to keep plasma membrane fluidity and interaction of beta receptors with the membrane in good working order.
On top of that, 25 mg of ephedrine with 200mg of caffeine, 10 mg of yohimbine 3-4 times per day, dependine on tolerance. That oughta do it. Ephedrine for beta-3 agonism, caffeine to modulate the cAMP pathway, and yohimbine for alpha receptor antagonism.
Old School
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This gimmick knows how to play the board like a violin, that's for sure. And it's hilarious.
I'd love to take credit for this, but it's a great answer I quote from Ironmag.com:
Aspirin is included in the ECA stack to help prolong the effects of ephedrine. Basically as a normalizing procedure the body reacts to ephedrine by producing prostaglandins and adenosine outside the cell, and phosphodiesterase inside the cell. Inside the cell, it has been found that methylxanthines, like caffeine, inhibit the activities of phosphodiesterase. Stimulation of the beta receptors by ephedrine (via noradrenaline) causes an increase of cAMP (cyclic adenosine monophosphate) within the cell. This crucial part of the process that leads to thermogenesis is vulnerable because cAMP is degraded by phosphodiesterase. Outside the cell, aspirin inhibits the peripheral synthesis of prostaglandins. Prostaglandins inhibit the release of noradrenaline in the synaptic junction (before receptor stimulation). So in other words without aspirin (and caffeine), the beta agonistic qualities of ephedrine (via noradrenaline) are practically negated by prostaglandins. Thermogenesis is prolonged because aspirin interferes with this negative feedback mechanism!
Synopsis in layman's terms: prostaglandins are a way the body fights too much noradrenaline. But when you shut down NA, you reduce thermogenesis. So, by inhibiting prostaglandins, you help the ephedrine crank out more NA, which is thermogenic in nature (i.e. burn more fat). Reason I don't use it is that it's a debatable extra in terms of pure noticeable effectiveness, and it can be pretty hard on your stomach and liver. Go ahead and use it if you want, or if you've got a history of heart disease.
This board is retarded. It's obvious he is a gimmick but the clowns keep coming to the circus. This gimmick has also been "done" before under a different handle. There is really no difference. In fact, one could speculate that a significant minority of the posts in this thread are from one gimmick or another.