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How long will this last?? ;D
Arizona lawmakers on Tuesday passed one of the toughest pieces of immigration-enforcement legislation in the country, which would make it a violation of state law to be in the U.S. without proper documentation.
It would also grant police the power to stop and verify the immigration status of anyone they suspect of being illegal.
The bill could still face a veto from Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer. A spokesman for Ms. Brewer said she has not publicly commented on the bill. Ms. Brewer, a Republican, has argued for stringent immigration laws.
Under the measure, passed Tuesday by Arizona's lower house, after being passed earlier by the state Senate, foreign nationals are required to carry proof of legal residency.
Immigrants' rights groups roundly criticized the bill. "The objective is to make life miserable for immigrants so that they leave the state," said Chris Newman, general counsel for the Los Angeles-based National Day Laborer Organizing Network. "The bill constitutes a complete disregard for the rights of nonwhites in Arizona. It effectively mandates racial profiling."
The bill's author, State Sen. Russell Pearce, was in a committee session Tuesday and couldn't be reached, his offices said. Mr. Pearce, a Republican, represents the city of Mesa, in Maricopa County, whose sheriff, Joe Arpaio, has gained a national reputation for his tough stance on immigration enforcement. A spokesman for Mr. Arpaio didn't return a request for comment.
The bill is different from an earlier version, giving protections for church and community organizations from criminal prosecution for transporting or harboring illegal immigrants.
In a statement, Tuesday Rep. John Kavanagh (R-Fountain Hills) called the measure "a comprehensive immigration enforcement bill that addresses the concerns of our communities, constituents and colleagues."
"This updated version gives our local police officers the tools they need to combat illegal immigration, while protecting the civil rights of citizens and legal residents."However, human rights groups are certain to challenge the measure in court, said Joe Rubio, lead organizer for Valley Interfaith Project, a Phoenix-based advocacy group, calling it "an economic train wreck." He added that "Arizona's economic recovery will lag way behind the country's if we keep chasing away our workforce. Where do the legislators think business will find workers?"
The bill in some ways toughens up a situation that the Obama administration had tried to roll back. Under a program known as 287g, some local law enforcement agencies were trained to enforce federal immigration laws by checking suspects' immigration status.
Mr. Arpaio, the Maricopa county sheriff, had been one of the most aggressive enforcers of 287g. However, the Obama administration in recent months has sought to scale back that program, and had reduced the resources it made available to Mr. Arpaio's office and others.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304604204575182721466632104.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsForth
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Good, we should do this nationwide.
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I agree.
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I agree.
I like your posts, they're very rarely over 4 words at most.
epic
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I like your posts, they're very rarely over 4 words at most.
epic
So.
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So.
lowering your average I see :D
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Wow, what a piece of legislation this is. Stop anyone they deem to be illegal and demand papers? Anyone else see the parallels with apartheid south africa and the need for blacks to have a pass book?
If someone is arrested or there is a legit reason i.e. they have been pulled over for speeding etc then fine, lets check their status in this country. But to give anyone the ability to question anyone and force on them the need to carry documentation is the opposite of liberty and freedom. What happens is we create a class of people in this case hispanic's who now must now carry a piece of paper to prove they are legal without any respect for the most basic tenant of American law - innocent until proven guilty. We are allowing a state of guilty until proven innocent.
It's a sad day when legal immigrants who 'look' illegal must now carry documentation at all times. Imagine the outcry if all Italians had to prove they weren't in the mafia.
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Wow, what a piece of legislation this is. Stop anyone they deem to be illegal and demand papers? Anyone else see the parallels with apartheid south africa and the need for blacks to have a pass book?
If someone is arrested or there is a legit reason i.e. they have been pulled over for speeding etc then fine, lets check their status in this country. But to give anyone the ability to question anyone and force on them the need to carry documentation is the opposite of liberty and freedom. What happens is we create a class of people in this case hispanic's who now must now carry a piece of paper to prove they are legal without any respect for the most basic tenant of American law - innocent until proven guilty. We are allowing a state of guilty until proven innocent.
It's a sad day when legal immigrants who 'look' illegal must now carry documentation at all times. Imagine the outcry if all Italians had to prove they weren't in the mafia.
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Of course you don't care for my thoughts, why would you? They are based on factual economic evidence. Yours are based on some racist stereo type because some hispanics in the bronx are deadbeats.
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Of course you don't care for my thoughts, why would you? They are based on factual economic evidence. Yours are based on some racist stereo type because some hispanics in the bronx are deadbeats.
This is very easy, when you get pulled over and dont have a valid drivers' license, the cops calls it in and if you pop up as illegal, tough shit.
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He has a point there. I think that these laws while headed in the right direction, are just an appeasement to people that do want to enforce our borders. These laws do nothing to combat the real problem...employers hiring illegal labor in the first place; these laws aren't even a band aid on a femoral artery wound.
Let me put it to you this way...while I know KC and I disagree on most things he has a point. What do you do even if you are walking down the street and you don't have your wallet on you with your ID and a police officer stops you? Is it a jailable offense in your state if you tell him you don't have it on you. What about if you do? In SC you have to surrender your ID even if a police officer just wants to see it which I think is a violation of my rights and it is a misdemeanor if you do not produce your ID. I don't want my rights violated and I hate seeing other people's rights being violated.
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This is very easy, when you get pulled over and dont have a valid drivers' license, the cops calls it in and if you pop up as illegal, tough shit.
A lot of them have licenses. Around 50% pay income tax and are registered with the IRS. They then use that number and go to the DMV and get a license for the state in which they reside. Depending on the ID requirements of the state of course. What i would like to know is can you drive in AZ on a foreign license? Lets say you are visiting legally but hold a foreign DL are you then to assume you must always have your passport and visa with you? Even if you can legally drive in AZ and your visa status has nothing to do with a driver inquiry?
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A lot of them have licenses. Around 50% pay income tax and are registered with the IRS. They then use that number and go to the DMV and get a license for the state in which they reside. Depending on the ID requirements of the state of course. What i would like to know is can you drive in AZ on a foreign license? Lets say you are visiting legally but hold a foreign DL are you then to assume you must always have your passport and visa with you? Even if you can legally drive in AZ and your visa status has nothing to do with a driver inquiry?
What part of "Illegal" do you not understand?
They do not belong here in the first place.
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What part of "Illegal" do you not understand?
They do not belong here in the first place.
True, and I agree...but he is asking how do the police find out if a driver is an illegal in the first place? If they have a valid DL then they are ok at least in the eyes of the law. In my state we don't have a stamp or anything attached to the liscense to mark a person as illegal or not. That is the case we are trying to make.
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True, and I agree...but he is asking how do the police find out if a driver is an illegal in the first place? If they have a valid DL then they are ok at least in the eyes of the law. In my state we don't have a stamp or anything attached to the liscense to mark a person as illegal or not. That is the case we are trying to make.
Of course its not the end all and be all, but there needs to be at least the ability of local law enforcement to possibly help with this since they are on the front lines of this.
I dont know how they will implement it, but if there can be certain safeguards in place, I have no problem with cross checking databases to keep finding out who these people are and chasing them out.
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True, and I agree...but he is asking how do the police find out if a driver is an illegal in the first place? If they have a valid DL then they are ok at least in the eyes of the law. In my state we don't have a stamp or anything attached to the liscense to mark a person as illegal or not. That is the case we are trying to make.
Exactly, i fail to see how having a license is the same as having a visa. Next time i travel i'll pull out my license at the airport shall i? Prove that i can enter a country because it's a 'visa' now too.
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It would also grant police the power to stop and verify the immigration status of anyone they suspect of being illegal.
Under the measure, passed Tuesday by Arizona's lower house, after being passed earlier by the state Senate, foreign nationals are required to carry proof of legal residency.
This is stupid. How are they going to enforce this?
Who is suspected of being illegal, anyone who isn't white and speaks with a foreign accent? How do they verify immigration status? Are American citizens required to "carry proof of legal residency"? What about Naturalized American citizens who may "look" and "sound" like illegal immigrants? Are these American citizens going to be required to carry proof of citizenship?
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"The objective is to make life miserable for immigrants so that they leave the state," said Chris Newman, general counsel for the Los Angeles-based National Day Laborer Organizing Network. "The bill constitutes a complete disregard for the rights of nonwhites in Arizona. It effectively mandates racial profiling."
This dirt bag could not bring himself to include the word "illegal".
Why can't people make the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants? Then he turns around and turns it into a racial issue. Illegal immigration is a crime. I don't see the problem with this legislation.
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mccain will be hiding from comment on this one hahahaaha
in a state full of ppl dying to close the border, he wrote the amnesty bill... yikes
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"The objective is to make life miserable for immigrants so that they leave the state," said Chris Newman, general counsel for the Los Angeles-based National Day Laborer Organizing Network. "The bill constitutes a complete disregard for the rights of nonwhites in Arizona. It effectively mandates racial profiling."
This dirt bag could not bring himself to include the word "illegal".
Why can't people make the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants? Then he turns around and turns it into a racial issue. Illegal immigration is a crime. I don't see the problem with this legislation.
I too believe that "illegal" immigration should be "illegal."
But I am afraid laws like this will make life miserable for Naturalized American citizens. It might also eventually trigger other laws that will require ALL American citizens to carry proof of citizenship at all times.
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I too believe that "illegal" immigration should be "illegal."
But I am afraid laws like this will make life miserable for Naturalized American citizens. It might also eventually trigger other laws that will require ALL American citizens to carry proof of citizenship at all times.
QFT...this is my main concern. If amnesty passes will the government start watching our borders though? My guess is a big fat no. ;D
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mccain will be hiding from comment on this one hahahaaha
in a state full of ppl dying to close the border, he wrote the amnesty bill... yikes
still waiting for the language of the bill?
also how this law is any different than any other law on the books in terms of the subjective implementation of it by law enforcement...
ANYBODY...ANYBODY
Anybody who didnt get their info from the nat enq?
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still waiting for the language of the bill?
also how this law is any different than any other law on the books in terms of the subjective implementation of it by law enforcement...
ANYBODY...ANYBODY
Anybody who didnt get their info from the nat enq?
I believe the word you are looking for is 'racial profiling'. This law may be similar in it's implementation, for white Americans they won't know a difference. But to even think for one minute that this isn't a racial profiling law and basically an a okay for police to harass people of color you are looking at it through republican tinted glasses.
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I believe the word you are looking for is 'racial profiling'. This law may be similar in it's implementation, for white Americans they won't know a difference. But to even think for one minute that this isn't a racial profiling law and basically an a okay for police to harass people of color you are looking at it through republican tinted glasses.
you could look at a dozen different laws that are ALREADY on the books with that same view...
what makes this law different?
This law isnt inherintly biased, it is targeted toward a certain group yes...ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, now there are probably a good number of mexicans in arizona but this doesnt target mexicans it targets illegals...
what I would like to know is what happens when they find illegal aliens do they deport them? imprison them?
Im still waiting for the language of the bill by one of those who are condemning this bill...240?
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still waiting for the language of the bill?
Ditto.
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you could look at a dozen different laws that are ALREADY on the books with that same view...
what makes this law different?
This law isnt inherintly biased, it is targeted toward a certain group yes...ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, now there are probably a good number of mexicans in arizona but this doesnt target mexicans it targets illegals...what I would like to know is what happens when they find illegal aliens do they deport them? imprison them?
Im still waiting for the language of the bill by one of those who are condemning this bill...240?
Yes, but who will they be looking at, the Latinos or the Russians, or Israelis, Bulgarians, Africans, Pakistani...will they assume the lil blonde and cute Russian girl is illegal, or will they go hard on the Mexican ? You know how laws are enforced, there are those who get a slap if that and then ther are those who are slammed.
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Good on Arizona for this. I've had it up to here with these illegal leeches. I have a feeling that it will somehow be overturned before long, though.