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I have never seen more people so pissed off at what this govt is doing, not only federal, but state and city as well.
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the amount of days it took to reach "tax day" is 99 this year.
I was surprised to hear that is the fewest number of days in over 20 years.
it was actually over 100 days for Bush. Weird, I didn't see the protests then. Any ideas why, and did you know this?
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I hate taxes also, and hate the Obama economic plan, an I hated the Bush plan too. Way too much taxing and wasteful spending on both of their parts. This isn't an attack on bush. I was surprised Obama was actually better than Obama in terms of # of days.
Still, I expected more than an eye roll on this one - I thought you'd give me a compelling argument or point so I'd say "ahhhh, you're right!". I post counter arguments to you 33 cause you often deliver these points.
Tax day is 99 days this year. Fewest # of days in decades. Why didn't Palin protest for the last 20 years about tax day?
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the amount of days it took to reach "tax day" is 99 this year.
I was surprised to hear that is the fewest number of days in over 20 years.
it was actually over 100 days for Bush. Weird, I didn't see the protests then. Any ideas why, and did you know this?
Did it ever dawn on you that we are running 1.6 Trillion in deficit spending alone and that the taxpayer is actually not even coming close to covering the cost of govt with this wild spending?
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agreed 100%.
My own thinking was that it's something like 98 days for a hundred americans and 150 days for one american - Obama has jacked up the taxes on the rich significantly, right?
So while the overall average number of tax days is down to 99, the amount is still higher than ever? Make sense? that was my theory on it.
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agreed 100%.
My own thinking was that it's something like 98 days for a hundred americans and 150 days for one american - Obama has jacked up the taxes on the rich significantly, right?
So while the overall average number of tax days is down to 99, the amount is still higher than ever? Make sense? that was my theory on it.
Does you number figure state and local taxes that are going way up? In NYC its WAY higher.
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Ooh, good point.
Now does Obama control the states and tell them how to tax? I thought the whole 'states rights' thing meant that many people preferred the states manage things instead of the federal govt.
Is the case that Obama has cut taxes federally, and lib lawmakers have raised them in the states? If so, why are people yelling about Obama after his taxes (99 days to reach) are lower than Dubya?
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having no fed. income tax to pay this year I would like to take this opportunity to say '
thank you' to all the millionaires and their support of our great country. Also, thanks for helping keep the highways, national parks, meat inspections and skies safe for us.Your tax dollars are appreciated. You have reached the American Dream - making tons of money. Thanks for helping the rest of us. ;)
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First of all the reason it took less days to pay taxes was because of the tax rebate Obama gave.Tax rates have not decreased a dime under Obama as he promised they would for 95% of Americans.Second of all,my wife and I made a combined 10,000 dollars less under Obama then Bush.Overtime was gone,no increse this year in money,so his one time tax rebate was a pile of crap compared to what hes done to destroy the economy and in terms of what hes done to personal finances.THATS why there was no protest.Under Bush we made 10,000 more a year under Obama 10,000 less and its because companies dont know what this fool is going to do next.
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First of all the reason it took less days to pay taxes was because of the tax rebate Obama gave.Tax rates have not decreased a dime under Obama as he promised they would for 95% of Americans.Second of all,my wife and I made a combined 10,000 dollars less under Obama then Bush.Overtime was gone,no increse this year in money,so his one time tax rebate was a pile of crap compared to what hes done to destroy the economy and in terms of what hes done to personal finances.THATS why there was no protest.Under Bush we made 10,000 more a year under Obama 10,000 less and its because companies dont know what this fool is going to do next.
apparently the fools on wall street do, buy some stocks, get a better job; sell your 'roids instead of taking them, pimp out the wife, do amateur porn; there are ways to make more money.
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Can anybody answer this? Not flaming, I'm serious.
Now does Obama control the states and tell them how to tax? I thought the whole 'states rights' thing meant that many people preferred the states manage things instead of the federal govt.
Is the case that Obama has cut taxes federally, and lib lawmakers have raised them in the states? If so, why are people yelling about Obama after his taxes (99 days to reach) are lower than Dubya?
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Can anybody answer this? Not flaming, I'm serious.
Now does Obama control the states and tell them how to tax? I thought the whole 'states rights' thing meant that many people preferred the states manage things instead of the federal govt.
Is the case that Obama has cut taxes federally, and lib lawmakers have raised them in the states? If so, why are people yelling about Obama after his taxes (99 days to reach) are lower than Dubya?
Tax rates have not decreased a dime under Obama.The Bush rates are still in effect for now.He gave a one time tax rebate of 1300 dollars I think thats the reason it took less days to pay off our tax debt to the government.He hasnt dropped one tax rate while he has been in office.
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So for the average american, whose taxes have remained the same but he has gotten a check for $1300...
That means the average american has $1300 more in his pocket, under Obama?
(Again, I'm not flaming, I'm looking for a clear explanation and I appreciate you breaking it down)
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apparently the fools on wall street do, buy some stocks, get a better job; sell your 'roids instead of taking them, pimp out the wife, do amateur porn; there are ways to make more money.
I work to pay for lifting and my kids sports.So steroids are part of my training.Amature porn?Is there a market for fat guys with small balls?Pimp my wife out?Are you kidding me?Ive been showing her small penis porn for years and have her convinced Im hung bigger then a porn star.The last thing I need is her seeing other guys' cocks and realising Im hung like a field mouse.
Im not complaining about the money we make,we do fine,it still was 10,000 less then last year.
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So for the average american, whose taxes have remained the same but he has gotten a check for $1300...
That means the average american has $1300 more in his pocket, under Obama?
(Again, I'm not flaming, I'm looking for a clear explanation and I appreciate you breaking it down)
Yes,but Obama did it in a way that really was of very little benefit.He paid it out in incriments of 13-17 dollars a week,which is nice,but doesnt actually stimulate you into buying big ticket items.I would have much prefered a check for 1300 dollars so I could buy a good item or pay off a credit card or whatever.
So we did have more money in our pockets but it came out to about 15 a week,which buys you a quarter tank of gas.Keep this in mind though,his plans have only just begun.We still have the Bush tax cuts he wil let many of them expire.Health care still hasnt begun in earnest,the coming VAT tax.Also,I think the tea party people think exploding the budget for a failed stimulus package is the reason to protest.
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Why would we be so happy about it 333? We had one of the largest tax cuts in American history, so it would make it rather a silly point to say those who love taxation are happy right now. Wouldn't it make more sense to tell the truth. The truth being tax cuts for 98% of families. That's gonna hurt the ol' tax love affair isn't it? When Citizens for Tax Justice agree with something you know it must be good right?
In time for tax day, Citizen for Tax Justice releases a new fact sheet [pdf] on your federal tax bill for 2009. It's good news, for 98% of working families.
According to a recent CBS News/New York Times poll, the vast majority of Americans do not perceive that they have received a tax cut from President Obama. Asked if the President “has already raised taxes this past year,” 53 percent of those polled said that the President has “kept taxes the same,” and 24 percent think that the President has “raised taxes.” A mere 12 percent believe that the President has cut their taxes.
This is an astonishing level of misunderstanding. The truth is that the major tax cuts enacted in the 2009 economic stimulus bill actually reduced federal income taxes for tax year 2009 for 98 percent of all working families and individuals. These tax cuts saved working families and individuals an average of $1,158 on the tax returns they will file by April 15. (The median tax cut was approximately $600.) [emphasis in original]
An astonishing level of people believe any lie the Republican party tells them. A sizable chunk of them probably still believe that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Turning around the "tax and spend" stereotype for Democrats is going to take a long time to dislodge. Even more important to dislodge will be the persistent idea that taxes somehow aren't critical to the functioning of government, of society.
At any rate, if you've been procrastinating on completing that return, get to it. You might very well have a better outcome than you've been expecting.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/4/13/856580/-CTJ-Report:-98-of-Families-Getting-A-Tax-Break-in-2009 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/4/13/856580/-CTJ-Report:-98-of-Families-Getting-A-Tax-Break-in-2009)
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My building got a 20k tax increase last year.
We got a new MTA payroll tax.
We got double DMV tax.
Cry me a river with your liberal garbage.
No american should ever have to pay more than 10% of their income to govt. to fund the parasites, leeches, govt, non-workers' salaries, etc.
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My building got a 20k tax increase last year.
We got a new MTA payroll tax.
We got double DMV tax.
Cry me a river with your liberal garbage.
No american should ever have to pay more than 10% of their income to govt. to fund the parasites, leeches, govt, non-workers' salaries, etc.
So you agree this is one of the largest tax cuts in history? The 282 billion is in fact the largest single tax cut in history, more than 2001-02 Bush cuts, 2004-05 Bush cuts and Regan and Kennedy tax cuts.
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So you agree this is one of the largest tax cuts in history? The 282 billion is in fact the largest single tax cut in history, more than 2001-02 Bush cuts, 2004-05 Bush cuts and Regan and Kennedy tax cuts.
Its pure bs. Only someone who never too econ 101 believes a word cominbg from peolis obama or the other communists.
I'm not kidding, it a tsunami came and took out EVERYONE in DC and all within 50 miles I would pop open champaigne and a cigar and smile.
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Its pure bs. Only someone who never too econ 101 believes a word cominbg from peolis obama or the other communists.
I'm not kidding, it a tsunami came and took out EVERYONE in DC and all within 50 miles I would pop open champaigne and a cigar and smile.
Haha there you go again claiming to know so much more about economics than actual economists, please 333 i would love to read an in-depth analysis, written by you of course, that explains why and how the tax cut was not in fact a tax cut with sources and references all cited. Being that you are such an economics wunderkind this will be a breeze. I will patiently wait for your reply.
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Haha there you go again claiming to know so much more about economics than actual economists, please 333 i would love to read an in-depth analysis, written by you of course, that explains why and how the tax cut was not in fact a tax cut with sources and references all cited. Being that you are such an economics wunderkind this will be a breeze. I will patiently wait for your reply.
The reason it has not done SQUAT and the reason why UE is still horrific, foreclosures are still skyrocketing is that state and local tax increases are wiping out any alleged tax cuts on the fed level. Whare someone does not pay it on one levels, they get raped on the other level.
At the end of the day, people are left with NET less money to pay their bills due to the greedy disgusting govt.
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Sounds like 3333666 should be more angry at his State Government and officials than the Obama administration.
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The reason it has not done SQUAT and the reason why UE is still horrific, foreclosures are still skyrocketing is that state and local tax increases are wiping out any alleged tax cuts on the fed level. Whare someone does not pay it on one levels, they get raped on the other level.
At the end of the day, people are left with NET less money to pay their bills due to the greedy disgusting govt.
So you want Obama and the central government to control state and city taxes too? FFS what is it? Big government controlling everything or government being split up on different levels like city, state and federal?
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Sounds like 3333666 should be more angry at his State Government and officials than the Obama administration.
No moron, I know that the idiotic policies obama is pursuing are going to cost me more later since the cost of borrowing to fund the govt are not felt immediately.
Some of us who actually understand these issues know what is going on. Those of you who spend all youtr time watching dykes like madcow and comedians are clueless.
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“This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.”- Romans 13:6-7
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“This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.”- Romans 13:6-7
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No thanks. Obama, Pelosi, Reid are not gods' servants. They serve the devil and are trying to enslave us.
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I work to pay for lifting and my kids sports.So steroids are part of my training.Amature porn?Is there a market for fat guys with small balls?Pimp my wife out?Are you kidding me?Ive been showing her small penis porn for years and have her convinced Im hung bigger then a porn star.The last thing I need is her seeing other guys' cocks and realising Im hung like a field mouse.
Im not complaining about the money we make,we do fine,it still was 10,000 less then last year.
i'm sorry for your loss (of a big penis)
yes, there is a market for fat guys and small dicks. do you want me to give you their web sites?!?! :o
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i'm sorry for your loss (of a big penis)
yes, there is a market for fat guys and small dicks. do you want me to give you their web sites?!?! :o
I dont need a big penis.Big cocks just flop out of boxers.Im actually very concerned your familiar with these sites.I said Im a fat guy with small balls[steroid atrophy you know].
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I dont need a big penis.Big cocks just flop out of boxers.Im actually very concerned your familiar with these sites.I said Im a fat guy with small balls[steroid atrophy you know].
heres a site for you.... www.lpsg.org
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Plaid Adder (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-15-10 05:06 PM
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Happy Tax Day
This morning, my wife was taking the fat envelopes I'm mailing off to the federal and state revenue services today, and my daughter PJ saw them. She said, "Is that a present for me?"
I said, "No, sweetie, it's a present for the government."
We started trying to explain, in a way a 2 and 3/4 year old can understand, what taxes are. "You see, the government does a lot of things for us, and so once a year we give money to the government so they can pay for all these things. Like the streets. You know the streets we cross and walk along? And the stoplights and the flashing red hand and the walking man that you love so much? (PJ loves traffic signals. She wants them on her next birthday cake.) The government takes care of those. And..."
As we searched for another illustration, I recalled that the toll road looming largest in my life was actually now being owned and operated by a private company to which it had been given a very long-term lease, and that the tolls had increased quite a bit since then.
"And the schools that...a lot of kids go to," said my wife.
PJ isn't school-age yet, but the day looms when we will have to decide whether she will enter the Chicago Public School system or whether, like most of the middle-class parents we know, we will put her into a private elementary school. Before Obama put Arnie Duncan in charge of education in this country, he ran the Chicago Public Schools, and the results he got were, shall I say, mixed. Duncan was 'successful in engineering a situation in which a great deal of attention and money is directed to a few desirable schools while the rest are left to their own devices.
For those kids who do very well academically, there is a decent chance of testing into a good public high school. Elementary school is a different story. There are, of course, a few charter and magnet schools which are highly sought-after by parents who have the time and resources to navigate the CPS's labyrinthine ways. We visited one of them, a Montessori school a 20-minute drive from our neighborhood. We thought it was OK, not fabulous, but figured we'd put PJ in the lottery for their preschool. Got the letter from them finally. We're 64th on the waiting list.
If your kid doesn't happen to be one of the elect who makes it into one of these schools, then chances are Duncan's magic isn't going to work for her. The elementary school in our attendance area is on No Child Left Behind's Most Wanted list. It has been abandoned by all the white and/or middle-class parents in our neighborhood. Most of the people we talk to take it for granted that we would never consider sending PJ there. They all want to know whether we're sending her to the Lab School. The Lab School is where Obama sent his kids. It's also, apparently, where Arnie Duncan sent his kids. It's an astronomically expensive private school affiliated with the University of Chicago. I'm sure it's excellent. The fact that the head of the @#$! public school system sent his kids to Lab, though, does tell you something about both him and the CPS.
Some friends of ours who are also a two-mom family have told us they're thinking about sending their kids to our (failing) public elementary school. They've got four kids and they can't do private tuition for all of them; and for them as for us, Catholic school, which is a common resource for parents of somewhat more modest means who are opting out of the public system, is out of the question. ("Mommy...what does 'inherently disordered and intrinsically evil' mean?") They contacted the school to ask for a tour. The folks in the administrative office had never heard of such a thing. For most of the kids at this school, there are no other options, so there's no point in visiting the place ahead of time.
I've often thought that actually fixing the public education system would be the best stimulus package you could ever hope to create. There are thousands of urban households paying tens of thousands of dollars a year to put their kids in private school for the sole reason that they refuse to trust their kids in the public system. Some of that's racism; some of it's wanting your kid to have a good experience with school. Make the public school system one that works *for everybody*--both the kids who are 'stuck' with it and the kids whose parents could afford to go private--and in addition to ameliorating a lot of social problems, you would put millions of dollars back into other sectors of the economy.
But nobody seems to believe, in the political world, that public school can work *for everybody.* The best Duncan seems to believe anyone can do is to make a few schools work for a few people. And indeed, making the public system work *for everybody* would require radical change--the kind of change I have to say I don't hope to see in my own lifetime.
To break this depressing train of thought, I said, "So...what else does the government do for us?"
My wife said, "Well, the police...the firefighters...and the parks! They take care of the parks!"
Now we were finally talking PJ's language. We don't have a backyard. But our neighborhood does have many parks, and they are well-maintained, and PJ loves them. She meets all kinds of other kids there and we meet their parents and the result is that for the first time in our adult lives we actually feel like we are part of the place where we live. The park is where PJ learns how to do things like share, take turns, not throw sand, and so on. It's public space doing what it's supposed to do--not only giving kids who don't have their own real estate a safe place to play, but creating a community. In many of the parks PJ goes to, there are toys that have been donated or left behind for communal use--so that the park is one of the few places where you can say about an object, "That belongs to everybody."
My wife went off to work with my presents for the government. I did not tell PJ that much of that 'present' is going to pay for a war in Afghanistan and an occupation in Iraq that I had never wanted, had protested against, and had thought I was voting to end when I voted for Obama. I might have got round to telling her that the government was now going to pay for health care for more people, but by the time I was saying, "You see, PJ, in a country like ours, the way it works is..." she was off to the playroom.
The way it works is, every year you send the government money, and the government spends it on things which are supposed to benefit everyone. Sometimes it's spent well, sometimes it's spent badly. Typically there is a lot of money spent on certain things that politicians really care about and not enough money spent on things that the rest of us care about. But we give the government our money because if we didn't, there wouldn't be anything in this country that was public--from the post office to the parks. We're already losing public space and public infrastructure to privatisation--ask anyone in Chicago about what's happened to our municipal parking meters--and when that happens we lose money too, we just don't send it all off in an envelope. It gets nickeled and dimed out of us bit by bit and goes off to corporate profitland where we never see it again.
The way it works is, you pay taxes because it's the right thing to do. Because sharing is what makes civilization possible and life bearable. Because despite your personal failings and selfishness you do want everyone to have some basic things that human beings shouldn't have to be without and you are willing to pay for that even if you are not willing to mount the barricades and work for it yourself. And of course because you'll be arrested if you don't--I mean, unless you are a politician, or a large corporation with clever accountants and a big bucket of 'tax incentives.'
One reason I don't post a lot here now is that nothing is as clear-cut for me as it used to be. I'm glad for the opportunity to stop hating my government the way I hated it when it was in thrall to the vicious and greedy thugs of the Bush regime. But the war is still there. All the problems I hated before, they're mostly still there. I'm still paying for them.
Some things are getting better. It's pretty much always going to be a mixed back from now on. But I guess that beats a big ol' bag of unadulterated evil.
So, it's a beautiful day here, and off we went to the park. PJ loves the swings. They make her feel like she's flying. Tax day is a good day, all in all, out here in Plaidderland, as I continue learning to take the bad with the good.
Happy tax day,
The Plaid Adder
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And many happy returns! damntexdem Apr-15-10 05:45 PM #1
It feels so good when I pay taxes that I often have an orgasm. deaniac21 Apr-15-10 05:49 PM #2
That Schedule 'C' will do it every time, Ron Green Apr-15-10 05:52 PM #3
That's what I'm talkin about! deaniac21 Apr-15-10 06:12 PM #7
Good,timely post Plaid. Thanks, You may like to read this op-ed from Boston...(link) FailureToCommunicate Apr-15-10 05:59 PM #4
Happy Tax Day, Right Back At'cha! I noticed yesterday that my Ilsa Apr-15-10 06:03 PM #5
That was sweet. Did you tell her about the tax money spent for wars and Wall Street bailouts? Better Believe It Apr-15-10 06:07 PM #6
k/r Solly Mack Apr-15-10 06:22 PM #8
Sweet account. I wish our money wasn't used as much for corporate welfare,though. The Wielding Truth Apr-15-10 06:40 PM #9
You have not lost your touch, PA AwakeAtLast Apr-15-10 11:28 PM #10
damntexdem (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-15-10 05:45 PM
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1. And many happy returns!
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-15-10 05:49 PM
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2. It feels so good when I pay taxes that I often have an orgasm.
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-15-10 05:52 PM
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3. That Schedule 'C' will do it every time,
almost.
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-15-10 06:12 PM
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7. That's what I'm talkin about!
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-15-10 05:59 PM
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4. Good,timely post Plaid. Thanks, You may like to read this op-ed from Boston...(link)
From the Boston Globe op-ed page:
<http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/ope... >
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-15-10 06:03 PM
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5. Happy Tax Day, Right Back At'cha! I noticed yesterday that my
family unit is paying only 6.2% of Adjusted Gross Income in federal taxes. That's not including SSI, Medicare taxes, etc. I think this is the lowest it's been for us in many years. Of course, our damn state sales and local taxes are out the waaa-zooo!!!
Anyway, a Democratic Congress and Democratic President got us the lowest federal tax bill we've seen in so long we can't remember.
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-15-10 06:07 PM
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6. That was sweet. Did you tell her about the tax money spent for wars and Wall Street bailouts?
Money used to destroy streets, parks, buildings and people in other nations.
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-15-10 06:22 PM
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8. k/r
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-15-10 06:40 PM
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9. Sweet account. I wish our money wasn't used as much for corporate welfare,though.
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AwakeAtLast (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-15-10 11:28 PM
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10. You have not lost your touch, PA
I always love, love, love everything you write. Please do it more often if you can. I miss you around here!