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I think at that point, he is primed to be the PERFECT 2012 candidate for president.
let's face it, you repubs tend to talk about how much you love freedoms and the constitution. Then, when primary time rolls around, you put up three RINOs like Mccain, Romney, and Rudy (all with histories of liberal positions and actions). When a true conservative like Ron paul arises, you let FOX shit on him, and obediently nod your head when they say "he's just not viable!"
Your 2012 frontrunners? Lib Romney. Lib Palin (sorry, she supports amnesty, capping emissions, and the bailout, and says Romney and Steele are just peachy!) Lib Scott Brown? They're all the big "viable" names, right? ;) Ignore guys like Thune and barbour - FOX gives them a fraction of the time they give the RINOs, let's admit it. We saw it in 2008 when they ust gave all the airtime to the RINOs. Guys like Tancerdo and Thompson - ignored.
So anyway, back to my point... if Crist runs as an independent, then he'll be a lt gov, gov, and senator... very well spoken, coming from a key state and owning a history of moderate positions and working across the aisle. People on the left like him and would vote anti-obama at him. Repubs will vote in the RINO that Hannity tells them he likes best, let's be honest.
If Crist runs in Nov 2010 and wins the Senate job, I say he could win that 2012 nod and beat Obama.
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If he cannot win a local Republican primary there is no way he can win the Republican nomination for president. And he will not be able to run and win as an independent. Doesn't have the money or appeal to run and win a 50 state campaign. Completely unrealistic.
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Ummm,Crist is the most liberal of all republicans out there.He would have voted for the stimulus.That alone disqualifies him from ever winning the republican nomination.
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McCain won the primary and the nomination.
What makes you think Crist couldn't?
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McCain won the primary and the nomination.
What makes you think Crist couldn't?
Because he is going to lose the primary in his state.Again,once you say,as a republican,that you would have voted for the stimulus,your dead as a republican.
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Because he is going to lose the primary in his state.Again,once you say,as a republican,that you would have voted for the stimulus,your dead as a republican.
He may not.
Apparently word in the wind is that Rubio has some shady things in the past funding departments and such.
Factor in that Crist just single handedly put every teacher in the state in his pocket.
Plus the moderates and independents who are repulsed by the tea party weirdos.
At this point, he has a legitimate shot.
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He may not.
Apparently word in the wind is that Rubio has some shady things in the past funding departments and such.
Factor in that Crist just single handedly put every teacher in the state in his pocket.
Plus the moderates and independents who are repulsed by the tea party weirdos.
At this point, he has a legitimate shot.
We will see.He gets his brains bashed in everytime they debate.I actually feel sorry for him.He comes across as a bumbling doofus.
By the way,the last poll I saw say over 60% of Americans are closer to tea parties beliefs then Obamas.
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He said he would not run as an independent, but at this point I see no downsides to him doing so. Doesn't he have to decide by the end of this month?
Polls have him definitively losing to Rubio head to head, but the three-way race against Rubio and Meek, with Crist as an independent have him winning. So why not do it? I see him being an effective Senator, but I don’t see a presidency in his future.
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McCain won the primary and the nomination.
What makes you think Crist couldn't?
The question was whether he could win the presidency as an independent. He can't.
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The question was whether he could win the presidency as an independent. He can't.
My reply was to :
If he cannot win a local Republican primary there is no way he can win the Republican nomination for president.
Where I plainly stated why he had a chance at winning a local primary. Did you not understand that part?
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My reply was to :
Where I plainly stated why he had a chance at winning a local primary. Did you not understand that part?
Yes, but your comments are out of context. 240's hypothetical involved Crist running as an independent.
The only way Crist has a shot to be president is the conventional winning of his party's primary. I really have no idea whether he can win the Republican primary in Florida, but like I said that wasn't the issue.
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My reply was not in reference to 240s. It was to yours. You said Republican primary. I followed up with a concise reply in regards to why he could win a Republican primary.
You have difficulties following a basic conservation, no?
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My reply was not in reference to 240s. It was to yours. You said Republican primary. I followed up with a concise reply in regards to why he could win a Republican primary.
You have difficulties following a basic conservation, no?
Hahaha! See my last post. :)
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HAHA See the first 8 words in your first post.
Again, you struggle to follow basic conservation?
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HAHA See the first 8 words in your first post.
Again, you struggle to follow basic conservation?
Funny. :)
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What's funny is watching you try to argue with yourself.
Although "funny" is actually quite sad.
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What's funny is watching you try to argue with yourself.
Although "funny" is actually quite sad.
:)
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::)
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;D
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No, I meant if Crist ran as an independent - then got the repub nomination.
As a senator, he would be a repub and vote with them as well.
"Ummm,Crist is the most liberal of all republicans out there.He would have voted for the stimulus.That alone disqualifies him from ever winning the republican nomination."
Yeah, sorry but FOX will tell its viewers that the 3 RINOs onstage are the only "viable" candidates. You'll have the libs Palin, Romney and Crist getting all the airtime while common sense people like barbour, Tancredo and RPaul will be ignored.
And every one of you repubs will pick a RINO in 2012, just like you did last time. 333386, you voted Romney over the other guys - and he's a pissy little lib at heart.
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No, I meant if Crist ran as an independent - then got the repub nomination.
As a senator, he would be a repub and vote with them as well.
"Ummm,Crist is the most liberal of all republicans out there.He would have voted for the stimulus.That alone disqualifies him from ever winning the republican nomination."
Yeah, sorry but FOX will tell its viewers that the 3 RINOs onstage are the only "viable" candidates. You'll have the libs Palin, Romney and Crist getting all the airtime while common sense people like barbour, Tancredo and RPaul will be ignored.
And every one of you repubs will pick a RINO in 2012, just like you did last time. 333386, you voted Romney over the other guys - and he's a pissy little lib at heart.
I voted for romney in the 2008 Primary, but will not do so again. Seeing the effect of Romney Care is a bridge too far for me.
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whoever it is you choose.... FOX will tell you that the RINOs are the only viable candidates.
and many people will buy it.
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whoever it is you choose.... FOX will tell you that the RINOs are the only viable candidates.
and many people will buy it.
Hell no. i dont watch TV.
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whatever the influence - you are a very politically wise man.
You chose Romney over Ron Paul. You knew Rom's history in Mass, and you voted over a true tea party guy like Paul, not to mention Tancredo.
Ron Paul would be president right now if you and 20 mil repubs like you had voted for the person that matched your beliefs - and not the lib-ish guys like Rudy and Romney and Mccain.
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whatever the influence - you are a very politically wise man.
You chose Romney over Ron Paul. You knew Rom's history in Mass, and you voted over a true tea party guy like Paul, not to mention Tancredo.
Ron Paul would be president right now if you and 20 mil repubs like you had voted for the person that matched your beliefs - and not the lib-ish guys like Rudy and Romney and Mccain.
GMAFB.
No GOP candidate was going to beat Obama in 2008.
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No, I meant if Crist ran as an independent - then got the repub nomination.
As a senator, he would be a repub and vote with them as well.
"Ummm,Crist is the most liberal of all republicans out there.He would have voted for the stimulus.That alone disqualifies him from ever winning the republican nomination."
Yeah, sorry but FOX will tell its viewers that the 3 RINOs onstage are the only "viable" candidates. You'll have the libs Palin, Romney and Crist getting all the airtime while common sense people like barbour, Tancredo and RPaul will be ignored.
And every one of you repubs will pick a RINO in 2012, just like you did last time. 333386, you voted Romney over the other guys - and he's a pissy little lib at heart.
Dont include me in there.I voted for Ron Paul in the primary and sent him money.I just think this year,if a republican comes out and says he would STILL vote for the stimulus,I dont think he can win.You may be right in the end,but it would surprise me.
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I dunno...
Ron Paul would have exposed Obama as a spend-happy lib in the debates.
Mccain was too busy wandering in front of camera shots and defending Bush to do this.
Obama was wet behind the ears, and with all the Qs about him - RPaul would have called his ass out on it.
Rpaul had the balls to admit there were some 911 Qs, and he took a lot of heat for it. He would have certainly appealed to a lot of americans by speaking honestly, instead of stump speeching like Obama did.
Also, remember that RPaul had no prob admitting Bush sucked. Mccain defended his ass.
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If Paul runs again I will support and vote for him.The only one I would support over him is Paul Ryan and I dont see him running.Im a Ron Paul guy,in fact,I really wanted to vote libertarian and register as a libertarian UNTIL they nominated that goof ball Bob Barr.If he runs he has my support,but if he doesnt win the primary I will vote for whomever the republicans put up.Obama must be beaten and it makes little differance who beats him.
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No, I meant if Crist ran as an independent - then got the repub nomination.
That's what I was addressing. You might want to let Lurker know. :)
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That's what I was addressing. You might want to let Lurker know. :)
Too bad your statement regarding If he cannot win a local Republican primary was called out otherwise.
If you can't handle a debate regarding something you posted, you are in the wrong forum.
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If Crist runs as an independent,the democrat will win the election.Crist will be finnished in the republican party PERIOD!!!
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If Crist runs as an independent,the democrat will win the election.Crist will be finnished in the republican party PERIOD!!!
Im not so sure. Christ is not popular and will split the dem vote as Rubio seems to really be gaining popularity.
all Rubio has to do is show Christs' hugging obama and his idiocy on the Stim Bill snd say - those two are for this chaos, I am the only one against it. If he can get 45-47 percent Rubio can win.
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In the FL primary, Crist would win at this point. The moderates and independents like him and he has the school system in his pocket now.
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In the FL primary, Crist would win at this point. The moderates and independents like him and he has the school system in his pocket now.
Unless Floriduh has open primaries, it wont matter since they cant vote in the primary. Additionally, "moderates" never vote in the primaries.
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Unless Floriduh has open primaries, it wont matter since they cant vote in the primary. Additionally, "moderates" never vote in the primaries.
People will change party registration to back the lesser of the two evils.
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People will change party registration to back the lesser of the two evils.
Right, the same yentas and fools who couldnt even fill out a paper ballot correctly and going to do that. ::) ::)
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teachers all over the state are now praying Crist runs just so they can elect the "PRO TEACHER" candidate who can actually win.
His veto of senate bill 6 was HUGE. hardball accused him of making a side deal with the FL teachers union to stop the bill in exchange for their backing. They always vote the dem - but something like this could give crist a lot of votes in a close election.
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teachers all over the state are now praying Crist runs just so they can elect the "PRO TEACHER" candidate who can actually win.
His veto of senate bill 6 was HUGE. hardball accused him of making a side deal with the FL teachers union to stop the bill in exchange for their backing. They always vote the dem - but something like this could give crist a lot of votes in a close election.
Those people would vote dem anyway. Its sort of like getting the black vote or jew vote.
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Those people would vote dem anyway. Its sort of like getting the black vote or jew vote.
You don't have the first clue. Just typical whining to contribute to anything.
"Hysterical"
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I dunno... you should see the way the teachers are loving on the guy. He saved every single teacher thousands of dollars... they weren't this energized about Obama or Gore.
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my wife is a teacher and i know a ton of teachers here.
They were SO SO worried about senate bill 6. Marching in their schools and on the district building. Heck, they all wore black for a week to protest it. I've been teaching since 97 and I've never seen anything like this - they were very passionate and angry too.
They were clapping, crying, etc when Crist vetoed this thing. They seriously thought they were going to lose tenure and 10,000 a year in pay. Crist stopped it. At the moment, the guy is walking on water.
And everyone knows the dem candidate is gonna lose lol...
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Again,if there are three candidates in the race,the republicans will split their vote and dems will back dems and dems will win the race.Crist wil then be DESPISED by every republican in the country and will either have to become a democrat or have no political future.If he runs and a dem wins he will be to blame for it and will be the biggest villian in the republican party since Perot.
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yeah, but what if Crist WINS?
That's the title of this thread. What happens if he wins, not 'will he win'?
If he wins, he's the top RINO for the 2012 nomination. And FOX sure loves them some RINOs. ;)
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yeah, but what if Crist WINS?
That's the title of this thread. What happens if he wins, not 'will he win'?
If he wins, he's the top RINO for the 2012 nomination. And FOX sure loves them some RINOs. ;)
Yes,if he wins he can pretty much do what he wants and hold the republicans up for what he wants just like Lieberman.Its a pretty big wager for him,its either win or your finnished.
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Yes,if he wins he can pretty much do what he wants and hold the republicans up for what he wants just like Lieberman.Its a pretty big wager for him,its either win or your finnished.
Crist is a perfect example of the turds that need to be flushed down the toilet known as our political system. Right now we are too clogged up with these shitheads.
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yeah, but he knows enough about the world that he'll make better $ as a consultant.
Or, the repub candidate for prez (hopefully a hard right candidate) might choose him to balance ticket and win national teacher vote ;)
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Ron Paul was on Imus this morning.He is one of VERY VERY few politicians who say "this is what I believe and thats it".The rest measure every word,every action,every vote,disgusting really.Ever look at Pauls voting record it looks like this.
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Its amazing.
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Palin is a RINO. It's that simple. She gets the tea part erect, along with bachman, so they get speaking over guys like Barbour and Tancredo who really SHOULD be the 2012 candidates.
If you'd rather have a looker that will get absolutely creamed in the general election, fine.
If you want to stop thinking with your dicks for 5 minutes, and be smart, you might actually beat obama.
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Palin is a RINO. It's that simple. She gets the tea part erect, along with bachman, so they get speaking over guys like Barbour and Tancredo who really SHOULD be the 2012 candidates.
If you'd rather have a looker that will get absolutely creamed in the general election, fine.
If you want to stop thinking with your dicks for 5 minutes, and be smart, you might actually beat obama.
Not if we nimoniate a lin like Crist who is the most anti-tea party republican in the country which is why he is behind Rubio by twenty points.
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Q: if the majority of repubs are conserve and not libs... why would yall ever pick a RINO?
A: Cause FOX willl tell you to ;)
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Q: if the majority of repubs are conserve and not libs... why would yall ever pick a RINO?
A: Cause FOX willl tell you to ;)
Other then Ron Paul who was the conservative running last time?We havent had a conservative candidtate since Reagan.
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Other then Ron Paul who was the conservative running last time?We havent had a conservative candidtate since Reagan.
Its called open primaries.
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I also find it funny that YOU knock RHINOS as though your a conservative.You were the guy calling for Caroline Kennedy to be named as the senator of New York by Patterson and then added that she could eventually be a vice presidential candidate.Im not sure if that position allows you to be the guy who should dictate who conservatives nominate.
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I also find it funny that YOU knock RHINOS as though your a conservative.You were the guy calling for Caroline Kennedy to be named as the senator of New York by Patterson and then added that she could eventually be a vice presidential candidate.Im not sure if that position allows you to be the guy who should dictate who conservatives nominate.
240 is a not a conservative or a libertarian. He is a liberal who likes guns.
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"Other then Ron Paul who was the conservative running last time?We havent had a conservative candidtate since Reagan."
Ron Paul Duncan Hunter, Thompson, Brownback, Tancredo and Gilmore were all far right conservatives who were deemed "unelectable" very quickly.
FOX kept telling us the other candidates, all RINOs, were viable. Rudy, Mitt, huck and Mccain.
You do the math. In a nation where the majority of candidates call themselves conservatives, and in a party where the primary voters are more conservative than the swing voters. WHY?
Cause they all watch FOX. You think it's any coincidence the last 4 standing (in primaries of more conservative voters) were the 4 libs in the race?
Sheesh, did you even watch the 2007 repub primaries BILLY?
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A top House Republican to endorse Rubio
Posted: April 20th, 2010
From CNN Political Editor Mark Preston
Washington (CNN) - House Minority Whip Eric Cantor Tuesday will endorse Marco Rubio for Senate, the latest high profile Republican to do so in recent days, two GOP sources familiar with the announcement confirm to CNN.
The endorsement comes as many national Republicans believe that the one-time front runner for the Republican Senate nomination in Florida, Gov. Charlie Crist, will run an independent bid for the open seat. Recent polling indicates that Rubio, the former Florida House Speaker, leads Crist in the GOP primary by double digits.
"We are a nation at a crossroads, and we need responsible leadership in Washington," Cantor is expected to say in his endorsement. "Marco Rubio is just the type of leader our country needs and will make an excellent Senator for the State of Florida."
On Monday, the chief strategist for the National Republican Senatorial Committee told GOP allies it is his belief that Crist will leave the GOP primary. The NRSC had endorsed Crist, but was prepared to shift its backing to Rubio.
Cantor, a congressmen from Virginia, is considered to be a rising star in the party. His endorsement is another sign that the Republican establishment is embracing Rubio's candidacy, which has been fueled in the past year by conservative, grass roots activists.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/?fbid=XPBeW4MfwYo
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Of course 240 and Lurker like Crist. He is a lib at heart like they are.
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"Other then Ron Paul who was the conservative running last time?We havent had a conservative candidtate since Reagan."
Ron Paul Duncan Hunter, Thompson, Brownback, Tancredo and Gilmore were all far right conservatives who were deemed "unelectable" very quickly.
FOX kept telling us the other candidates, all RINOs, were viable. Rudy, Mitt, huck and Mccain.
You do the math. In a nation where the majority of candidates call themselves conservatives, and in a party where the primary voters are more conservative than the swing voters. WHY?
Cause they all watch FOX. You think it's any coincidence the last 4 standing (in primaries of more conservative voters) were the 4 libs in the race?
Sheesh, did you even watch the 2007 repub primaries BILLY?
Hmmmm,did they stay in and fight to the end?Its funny,the dems had fairly moderate guys running but chose the farthest left wing guy EVER in the history of politics,that doesnt bother you.
Now lets look at the guys.Thompson got in incredibly late and campaigned as though he were a corpse.
Brownback is no more conservative then McCain and had ZERO personality.
Tancredo was a one trick pony only talking of immigration and doing it poorly as well.
Hunter and Gilmore?Dont remember them even being there.
Ron Paul?Well I voted for him in the primary.Did you?I sent him money ,did you?I know you claim you voted for Bobb BARR WHO IS AS FAR AWAY FROM RON PAUL AS POSSIBLE one every social issue there is from the war on drugs and everything else,so I dont see how you could vote for him after being a Paul voter when he was no different then McCain on every issue other then the war.So,if you voted for Barr you voted for Obama,which once again disqualifies you from conservative talk.
Once again,the republicans havent had a true conservative running since Reagan and that includes Paul.
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McCain: I won't support Crist if he runs as an Independent candidate ("I support Republicans")
The Hill, Washington, DC ^ | 2010-04-20 | Molly K. Hooper
Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:07:28 PM by rabscuttle385
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said Tuesday he will not support Florida Gov. Charlie Crist (R) in his Senate race if he runs as an Independent.
Crist, who helped McCain win Florida in the 2008 presidential GOP primary, has recently indicated he is mulling an Independent bid. McCain has backed Crist, but made it clear Tuesday that his endorsement will not stand if Crist is not the Republican candidate.
Asked if he will support Crist as an Independent, McCain told The Hill, "No."
Pressed further, McCain said, "I support Republicans."
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
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Oh so McCain is now the voice of reason?
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He is fending off a charge from the right.
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Where was this MccAIN when he ran against Obama.His swing to the right is sad and pathetic and its especially sad that he waited until after the presidential run to do it.
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mmcain was something like 56% compared to conservative average for the last 3 years - then jumped to 90% conservative voting record this year.
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mmcain was something like 56% compared to conservative average for the last 3 years - then jumped to 90% conservative voting record this year.
People say "why do you hate McCain"?The day I started hating him was when he tried to ban the UFC.What a fucking dick.The EXACT opposite of a conservative.
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Crist made up his mind. Should be interesting.
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I think at that point, he is primed to be the PERFECT 2012 candidate for president.
let's face it, you repubs tend to talk about how much you love freedoms and the constitution. Then, when primary time rolls around, you put up three RINOs like Mccain, Romney, and Rudy (all with histories of liberal positions and actions). When a true conservative like Ron paul arises, you let FOX shit on him, and obediently nod your head when they say "he's just not viable!"
Your 2012 frontrunners? Lib Romney. Lib Palin (sorry, she supports amnesty, capping emissions, and the bailout, and says Romney and Steele are just peachy!) Lib Scott Brown? They're all the big "viable" names, right? ;) Ignore guys like Thune and barbour - FOX gives them a fraction of the time they give the RINOs, let's admit it. We saw it in 2008 when they ust gave all the airtime to the RINOs. Guys like Tancerdo and Thompson - ignored.
So anyway, back to my point... if Crist runs as an independent, then he'll be a lt gov, gov, and senator... very well spoken, coming from a key state and owning a history of moderate positions and working across the aisle. People on the left like him and would vote anti-obama at him. Repubs will vote in the RINO that Hannity tells them he likes best, let's be honest.
If Crist runs in Nov 2010 and wins the Senate job, I say he could win that 2012 nod and beat Obama.
Blah, blah, blah...What happened to your "great" pick of Huntsman? ::)
Your posts are a waste of bandwidth.
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Of every poster here I can safely say that 240 posts far better material on his worst day than you do on your best. I have my issues w 240 for sure but you are just a pofs kneepadding Cun*
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does he caucus with the republican conference or the democrat conference?
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Crist is done. It's laughable that anyone thinks he has a snowball's chance in hell. Also if he even attempted the presidency he would be laughed out of the building.
He has deep connections to a Bush. (not the female bush) Strike 1
He's queer which would be uncovered fairly quickly when running for prez. Strike 2
Nobody in Florida likes him, he's going to lose his senate race. Strike 3.
The dude is a joke and everyone down here knows it.
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