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is it legal to shoot and kill someone who breaks into your house ?
can you shoot them for just being on your property ?
do they have to be armed ?
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In CO they just have to be inside your home. It's called the "Make my Day" law.
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is it legal to shoot and kill someone who breaks into your house ?
can you shoot them for just being on your property ?
do they have to be armed ?
depends on the State .
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In CO they just have to be inside your home. It's called the "Make my Day" law.
i saw a film with stephen dorff about a guy who shoots a burglar and gets sent to prison.
but thought it was 'anything goes ' on these criminals.
in the movie the thief was running away and was shot in the back on dorffs lawn.
is this correct ? do they have to be armed before you can shoot them ?
how about in florida ?
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is it legal to shoot and kill someone who breaks into your house ?
can you shoot them for just being on your property ?
do they have to be armed ?
In California if someone breaks into your house and you shoot them coming in through your window and they fall outside. The person protecting their home and family will be charged. I was always told (by numerous cops) if that should happen, drag them into the house.
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it varies by state, but it usually has to do with a justifiable fear that your life is in danger
so if you walk in to unarmed burglers, and shoot them.......you will probably be in trouble
but if you walk in to armed burglers, and shoot them......you are justified in your actions
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it varies by state, but it usually has to do with a justifiable fear that your life is in danger
so if you walk in to unarmed burglers, and shoot them.......you will probably be in trouble
but if you walk in to armed burglers, and shoot them......you are justified in your actions
what if they are unarmed but there's 2 or three of them ?
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in texas and flordia you can kill some one for even pic pocketing your wallet and get away with it
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Texas doesn't fuck around. I've read they still have laws on the books allowing you to shoot people on your land with wire cutters on their person. An old law from the cattle rustlin' days.
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how about in florida ?
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC013.HTM
The 2009 Florida Statutes
Title XLVI
CRIMES
Chapter 776
JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE
View Entire Chapter
776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.--
(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person's will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or
(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person's dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
(5) As used in this section, the term:
(a) "Dwelling" means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
(b) "Residence" means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
(c) "Vehicle" means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.
History.--s. 1, ch. 2005-27.
Also search:
Castle Doctrine
Stand Your Ground Law Florida
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what if they are unarmed but there's 2 or three of them ?
like i said, they dont necessarily have to be armed, you just have to possess are reasonable fear that you life is in danger
so once again, if you walk in to 3 guys robbing your house, and they turn to run away, but you shoot them.......you will most likely be in trouble
but if you walk in to 3 unarmed guys robbing your house, and they look like they are going to hurt you........you are justified in shooting them
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any one remember that guy who shot two mexicans in the back as they where fleeing a b&e , guy killed both of them and didnt even get arrested let alone charged
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thanks to Jeb Bush, Castle Doctrine now applies to your car.
If they put a hand in your window and you fear for your life, you are legal.
It sounds crazy, but if some prick is nuts enough to reach their hands into another persons vehicle in rage, the world doesn't need em.
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is it legal to shoot and kill someone who breaks into your house ?
can you shoot them for just being on your property ?
do they have to be armed ?
There was a case in Texas where two black men burglarized a home and ran off with stolen goods. The owner shot and killed them in the process. He was cleared of all wrong doing.
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There was a case in Texas where two black men burglarized a home and ran off with stolen goods. The owner shot and killed them in the process. He was cleared of all wrong doing.
they where mexican illegals, not black , the protesters where black
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my brother shot a guy who tried to rob his pharmacy 5 years ago.
when the cops arrived, he already had it locked open and unloaded. they were very friendly and many of the sheriffs shook his hand for defending himself.
the guy who tried to rob him already had warrants for attempted murder on police officers.
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they where mexican illegals, not black , the protesters where black
Was this it (scroll to the bold font)?
A Man's Home Is His Castle, and He Can Defend It
'Castle Doctrine' Gives Texans Unprecedented Authority to Take Action Against Intruders
424 comments
By CHRIS BURY and HOWARD L. ROSENBERG
Feb. 21, 2008
In Texas, more than ever before, burglars and thieves are on notice.
From a quiet street in an upscale neighborhood outside Houston to a junk-strewn yard on the other side of the tracks, some Texans are shooting first and asking questions later.
When is it OK to shoot first?
In the Lone Star state, where the six-gun tamed the frontier, shooting bad guys is a time-honored tradition. But a new state law, based on the old idea that "a man's home is his castle," gives Texans unprecedented legal authority to use deadly force.
Watch a report on the law Saturday, Feb. 23, on "World News." Check your local listings for air time.
In December, Damon Barone confronted a burglar breaking into his Houston home in the middle of the night. His wife, baby daughter and 6-year-old son were asleep when Barone heard a commotion and grabbed his Glock handgun.
"I heard a crashing through my window
[in] my bedroom, and I got my gun," said Barone.
"When I came around the corner, I saw the silhouette in my window, I pointed my weapon, I fired three times," he said.
Asked if he was shooting to kill, Barone said, "Yes."
The burglar Barone shot dead had a lengthy criminal record, and Barone had a permit for his gun. Even before the new law, he certainly could have been justified in using deadly force. But the "Castle Law" gives Barone added protection from criminal prosecution and even civil lawsuits.
Barone is "positive" that he did the right thing.
"And if I had to do it over again, I would," he added. "I mean, that's the safety of my family over us being hurt. It's a no-brainer for me."
'I'm Gonna Shoot!'
Even in Texas, some prosecutors are wary of the new law. It expands Texans' rights to use deadly force in their homes, vehicles and workplaces. And no longer do they have an obligation to retreat, if possible, before they shoot.
"There's too many imponderables in this law, whereas the previous law was working just fine," said Warren Diepraam, the Harris County Assistant District Attorney. "Frankly, life is precious."
Consider the case of Joe Horn, a 61-year-old computer technician who lives in an affluent subdivision in Pasadena, Texas. Last November, he called 911 to report a burglary in broad daylight at the house next door.
"I've got a shotgun; you want me to stop him?" Horn asked the dispatcher.
"Nope. Don't do that," the dispatcher replied. "Ain't no property worth shooting somebody over, OK?"
Horn was clearly upset by the dispatcher's response.
"I'm not gonna let them get away with it," he said. "I can't take a chance getting killed over this, OK."
Despite the dispatcher's protects, Horn said "I'm gonna shoot! I'm gonna shoot!"
The 911 dispatcher warned Horn to stay inside at least a dozen separate times, telling him, "An officer is coming out there. I don't want you to go outside that house."
Then Horn sounding angrier by the moment cited the new Texas law.
"OK, but I have a right to protect myself too, sir," he said. "And you understand that. And the laws have been changed in this country since September the first, and you know it and I know it."
Moments later, Horn saw two burglars leave his neighbor's house, one of them carrying a bag filled with cash and jewelry.
"I'm gonna kill him," Horn said.
"Stay in the house," the dispatcher said.
"They're getting away," Horn replied.
"That's all right," said the dispatcher. "Property's not worth killing someone over. OK?"
"***damn it," said Horn, who then defied the dispatcher.
"Well, here it goes, buddy, you hear the shotgun clicking, and I'm going," he said.
"Don't go outside," the dispatcher warned.
Self-Defense?
Horn says he came out his front door, down his porch and confronted the two burglars. The next sounds heard on the 911 tape are Horn ordering the two men to stop
and then shooting them both.
"Move you're dead," he said, and fired his shotgun three times.
"Both suspects were shot in the back," said Pasadena Police Captain A.H. "Bud" Corbett. "Not at the same angle, but both suspects were hit in the back."
Horn fatally shot the burglars, two illegal immigrants from Colombia named Diego Ortiz and Miguel de Jesus. Stephanie Storey, De Jesus' fiancιe, wants to see Joe Horn prosecuted.
"This man took the law into his own hands," she said. "He shot two individuals in the back after having been told over and over to stay inside. It was his choice to go outside and his choice to take two lives."
A Houston grand jury will now hear the case. Horn turned down an ABC News request for an interview, but his attorney Tom Lambright insists Horn was entirely justified.
"He was afraid for his life," said Lambright. "He was afraid for his safety, and then they charged him. I don't think Joe had time to make a conscious decision. I think he only had time to react to what was going on. Short answer is, he was defending his life. "
Lambright acknowledges that the 911 dispatcher urged Horn to stay inside, but said, "Joe was doing what he thought was necessary. As a man, he thought it was his duty to protect his house, his neighborhood, his community."
The Horn case has aroused plenty of passion. At a demonstration outside his home, police in riot gear stood by as activists demanded prosecution while counter-demonstrators defended him, including a group of bikers led by Randy Laird.
"In this grand jury decision, we look for a complete acquittal, no charge of any kind, and that's what we believe will be right," Laird said. "That's what's going to make either the Castle Doctrine stand or fall."
The Castle Next Door
The critical legal question may hinge on whether Horn acted in a reasonable way to defend his neighbor's property.
"You cannot take another person's life in defense of their property unless you're somehow given permission by the other person to protect their property," said Diepraam.
On that 911 call, the dispatcher asked Horn directly about the owners of the house that was being burglarized, and whether he knew them.
Castle Law
(abc news)
"I really don't know these neighbors," Horn said. "I know the neighbors on the other side really well
I can assure you if it had been their house, I'd already have done something." Still, Lambright says that his client "absolutely" had his neighbors' permission.
"There's no question about it," he said. "They'd tell you today that they are very happy that he was there and that he was watching out. Every neighbor in the state of Texas watches out for one another."
"In most situations, calling 911 is the best remedy, not calling out for your 9-millimeter," said Diepraam.
Damon Barone, who killed a burglar in his own home, isn't sure whether Joe Horn was justified, but he does believe the Castle Doctrine has already delivered a crystal clear message to criminals.
Barone said that in Texas, the occupational hazard of burglarizing someone's home is "death."
"If you're lucky, you'll get arrested and sent to jail," he said.
So in Texas, the old tradition of shooting bad guys carries on. The big question now is whether a man's castle also includes
his neighbor's home.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=4272882&page=1
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Was this it (scroll to the bold font)?
A Man's Home Is His Castle, and He Can Defend It
'Castle Doctrine' Gives Texans Unprecedented Authority to Take Action Against Intruders
424 comments
By CHRIS BURY and HOWARD L. ROSENBERG
Feb. 21, 2008
In Texas, more than ever before, burglars and thieves are on notice.
From a quiet street in an upscale neighborhood outside Houston to a junk-strewn yard on the other side of the tracks, some Texans are shooting first and asking questions later.
When is it OK to shoot first?
In the Lone Star state, where the six-gun tamed the frontier, shooting bad guys is a time-honored tradition. But a new state law, based on the old idea that "a man's home is his castle," gives Texans unprecedented legal authority to use deadly force.
Watch a report on the law Saturday, Feb. 23, on "World News." Check your local listings for air time.
In December, Damon Barone confronted a burglar breaking into his Houston home in the middle of the night. His wife, baby daughter and 6-year-old son were asleep when Barone heard a commotion and grabbed his Glock handgun.
"I heard a crashing through my window
[in] my bedroom, and I got my gun," said Barone.
"When I came around the corner, I saw the silhouette in my window, I pointed my weapon, I fired three times," he said.
Asked if he was shooting to kill, Barone said, "Yes."
The burglar Barone shot dead had a lengthy criminal record, and Barone had a permit for his gun. Even before the new law, he certainly could have been justified in using deadly force. But the "Castle Law" gives Barone added protection from criminal prosecution and even civil lawsuits.
Barone is "positive" that he did the right thing.
"And if I had to do it over again, I would," he added. "I mean, that's the safety of my family over us being hurt. It's a no-brainer for me."
'I'm Gonna Shoot!'
Even in Texas, some prosecutors are wary of the new law. It expands Texans' rights to use deadly force in their homes, vehicles and workplaces. And no longer do they have an obligation to retreat, if possible, before they shoot.
"There's too many imponderables in this law, whereas the previous law was working just fine," said Warren Diepraam, the Harris County Assistant District Attorney. "Frankly, life is precious."
Consider the case of Joe Horn, a 61-year-old computer technician who lives in an affluent subdivision in Pasadena, Texas. Last November, he called 911 to report a burglary in broad daylight at the house next door.
"I've got a shotgun; you want me to stop him?" Horn asked the dispatcher.
"Nope. Don't do that," the dispatcher replied. "Ain't no property worth shooting somebody over, OK?"
Horn was clearly upset by the dispatcher's response.
"I'm not gonna let them get away with it," he said. "I can't take a chance getting killed over this, OK."
Despite the dispatcher's protects, Horn said "I'm gonna shoot! I'm gonna shoot!"
The 911 dispatcher warned Horn to stay inside at least a dozen separate times, telling him, "An officer is coming out there. I don't want you to go outside that house."
Then Horn sounding angrier by the moment cited the new Texas law.
"OK, but I have a right to protect myself too, sir," he said. "And you understand that. And the laws have been changed in this country since September the first, and you know it and I know it."
Moments later, Horn saw two burglars leave his neighbor's house, one of them carrying a bag filled with cash and jewelry.
"I'm gonna kill him," Horn said.
"Stay in the house," the dispatcher said.
"They're getting away," Horn replied.
"That's all right," said the dispatcher. "Property's not worth killing someone over. OK?"
"***damn it," said Horn, who then defied the dispatcher.
"Well, here it goes, buddy, you hear the shotgun clicking, and I'm going," he said.
"Don't go outside," the dispatcher warned.
Self-Defense?
Horn says he came out his front door, down his porch and confronted the two burglars. The next sounds heard on the 911 tape are Horn ordering the two men to stop
and then shooting them both.
"Move you're dead," he said, and fired his shotgun three times.
"Both suspects were shot in the back," said Pasadena Police Captain A.H. "Bud" Corbett. "Not at the same angle, but both suspects were hit in the back."
Horn fatally shot the burglars, two illegal immigrants from Colombia named Diego Ortiz and Miguel de Jesus. Stephanie Storey, De Jesus' fiancιe, wants to see Joe Horn prosecuted.
"This man took the law into his own hands," she said. "He shot two individuals in the back after having been told over and over to stay inside. It was his choice to go outside and his choice to take two lives."
A Houston grand jury will now hear the case. Horn turned down an ABC News request for an interview, but his attorney Tom Lambright insists Horn was entirely justified.
"He was afraid for his life," said Lambright. "He was afraid for his safety, and then they charged him. I don't think Joe had time to make a conscious decision. I think he only had time to react to what was going on. Short answer is, he was defending his life. "
Lambright acknowledges that the 911 dispatcher urged Horn to stay inside, but said, "Joe was doing what he thought was necessary. As a man, he thought it was his duty to protect his house, his neighborhood, his community."
The Horn case has aroused plenty of passion. At a demonstration outside his home, police in riot gear stood by as activists demanded prosecution while counter-demonstrators defended him, including a group of bikers led by Randy Laird.
"In this grand jury decision, we look for a complete acquittal, no charge of any kind, and that's what we believe will be right," Laird said. "That's what's going to make either the Castle Doctrine stand or fall."
The Castle Next Door
The critical legal question may hinge on whether Horn acted in a reasonable way to defend his neighbor's property.
"You cannot take another person's life in defense of their property unless you're somehow given permission by the other person to protect their property," said Diepraam.
On that 911 call, the dispatcher asked Horn directly about the owners of the house that was being burglarized, and whether he knew them.
Castle Law
(abc news)
"I really don't know these neighbors," Horn said. "I know the neighbors on the other side really well
I can assure you if it had been their house, I'd already have done something." Still, Lambright says that his client "absolutely" had his neighbors' permission.
"There's no question about it," he said. "They'd tell you today that they are very happy that he was there and that he was watching out. Every neighbor in the state of Texas watches out for one another."
"In most situations, calling 911 is the best remedy, not calling out for your 9-millimeter," said Diepraam.
Damon Barone, who killed a burglar in his own home, isn't sure whether Joe Horn was justified, but he does believe the Castle Doctrine has already delivered a crystal clear message to criminals.
Barone said that in Texas, the occupational hazard of burglarizing someone's home is "death."
"If you're lucky, you'll get arrested and sent to jail," he said.
So in Texas, the old tradition of shooting bad guys carries on. The big question now is whether a man's castle also includes
his neighbor's home.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=4272882&page=1
thats it
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Joe Horn cleared by grand jury in Pasadena shootings
Panel issues no-bill after two weeks of testimony
By BRIAN ROGERS, RUTH RENDON and DALE LEZON Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle
June 30, 2008, 11:47PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/5864151.html
A Harris County grand jury on Monday ended the rancorous seven-month debate over Pasadena resident Joe Horn's decision to gun down two illegal immigrant burglars in his front yard, concluding the act was a justifiable use of deadly force and not murder.
The grand jury heard two weeks of testimony from witnesses, including Horn. They likely also heard his breathless 911 call, during which the increasingly frustrated retiree ignored a dispatcher's pleas to stay inside and out of harm's way. The Nov. 14 call ended with the sound of Horn racking a shell into his 12-gauge shotgun's chamber followed by three gunshots that killed Colombians Diego Ortiz, 30, and Hernando Riascos Torres, 38.
Each man was shot in the back. They had taken about $2,000 in the burglary.
Horn's defense hinged on his assertion that he fired out of fear for his life, making the shooting justifiable under Texas law. The law also permits the use of deadly force to protect property under some circumstances.
District Attorney Ken Magidson said he couldn't comment on the grand jury's secret proceedings.
"In Texas, a person has a right to use deadly force in certain circumstances to protect property ... and that's basically what the grand jurors had to deal with," Magidson said.
After the announcement, Horn's attorney said his 62-year-old client was no vigilante.
"Joe was not some sort of wild cowboy," Tom Lambright said. "He was trying to help police. He was put in a situation where he didn't have any choice."
Lambright said Horn was "relieved" the investigation was over and he was cleared. "When I talked to him on the telephone I could hear it in his voice not giddy, just relieved."
Others decried the decision as a miscarriage of justice.
Frank Ortiz, a member of the local League of United Latin American Citizens chapter, said he hopes federal authorities investigate the case further.
"That's amazing that they would no-bill him with so much evidence against him," Ortiz said. "It's amazing to me that anyone with a Hispanic surname cannot get justice. This was no more than a vigilante."
In his 911 call, Horn cited a newly enacted Texas law, the "castle doctrine," which authorizes the use of deadly force during a home invasion.
But Sen. Jeff Wentworth, who wrote the law, said it did not apply to Horn's case.
"It was not an issue in this case other than him saying incorrectly that he understood it to mean he could protect his neighbor's property," said Wentworth, R-San Antonio.
He said the castle doctrine simply didn't apply because, although the burglars were running across Horn's lawn, Horn's home wasn't under siege his neighbor's home was.
"It comes from the saying 'A man's home is his castle,' " Wentworth said. "But this wasn't his castle."
Lambright said even though many people, including Horn's neighbors, have called him a hero, Horn doesn't believe he is.
The attorney said Torres, who was on parole for a drug conviction, and Diego Ortiz were near the front door when Horn stepped outside.
"They were attacking," Lambright said. "It scared him to death."
Police guard neighborhood
At Horn's home, boards formed a makeshift barricade on the front walk, supporting a red "No Trespassing" sign.
Police patrolled in force by car, motorcycle and bicycle and stood guard at the subdivision's entrances. They said they were there to keep the peace in case protesters showed up.
No protesters had arrived by late Monday.
Some of Horn's neighbors on Timberline Drive greeted news that he won't face criminal charges with enthusiasm; others hung "no comment" signs on their front doors.
"I just praise God that he was not indicted, that our country is still behind our good, honest people," said Velma Cabello, 61. "He is a hero in my book."
She lives in Humble, but was house-sitting Monday a few doors down from Horn's home.
"I would love for him to be my neighbor, for someone to watch over me like that," Cabello said.
"I'm glad he's not going to jail, but it's a bad thing, killing a couple people," said John White, 51, who lives half a block away from Horn. "It's sad for everyone, him and the victims."
Horn was alone inside the home he shares with his daughter's family around 2 p.m. on Nov. 14 when he was heard glass shattering next door, spotted Ortiz and Torres crawling through a window and called 911 to report the break-in.
The operator repeatedly urged him to stay in his house, but Horn said he did not believe it would be right to let the burglars get away.
"Well, here it goes, buddy," Horn told the operator. "You hear the shotgun clicking and I'm going."
The operator replied: "Don't go outside."
Then the tape recorded Horn warning: "Move and you're dead!" Two quick shots can be heard on the tape, followed by a pause and then a third shot.
Detective was on scene
Pasadena police have said a detective in plainclothes had parked in front of Horn's house in response to the 911 call, and saw the two men before they crossed into Horn's front yard.
Police believe that neither Horn nor the burglars knew an officer was present.
When Horn confronted the men in his yard, he raised his shotgun to his shoulder, police have said. However, the men ignored his order to freeze.
Authorities have said one man ran toward Horn but had angled away toward the street when he was shot in the back just before reaching the curb.
Ortiz and Torres died a short distance from Horn's house.
A news release from the city of Pasadena read, in part, "We hope that the decision of the grand jury, while difficult for some to accept, will be respected as the product of a careful weighing of all the facts by an impartial panel of citizens."
Chronicle reporter Jennifer Latson contributed.
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i betcha for that moment when he cocked the gun...
the 2 idiots had a chance to drop the jewelry and put their hands in the air.
instead, they were probably stupid shits who grinned and made fast moves. it's dark and he has no idea if they're pulling a gun or not,
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in pakistan u can shoot people.....
the end
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thanks stella.
i have loved ones staying in florida and there has been a spate of local breakins in the neighbourhood.
so i have been worried for their safety.
3 guys knocked on a back window of a neighbours house last week- 1 was an adult and 2 late teens. the homeowners were out of the house but a kid was inside.
he saw them and ran to a neighbours house to call the cops.
fucking peasants should find a real job. >:(
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in pakistan u can shoot people.....
the end
in pakistan every one smells like dumpster....
the end
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they where mexican illegals, not black , the protesters where black
I'm not gonna turn this into a racist thing, but they looked black and the protestors referred to them as brothers, not the point.
http://moretexastruth.blogspot.com/2007/11/photos-and-bios-of-criminals-killed-in.html
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thanks stella.
i have loved ones staying in florida and there has been a spate of local breakins in the neighbourhood.
so i have been worried for their safety.
3 guys knocked on a back window of a neighbours house last week- 1 was an adult and 2 late teens. the homeowners were out of the house but a kid was inside.
he saw them and ran to a neighbours house to call the cops.
fucking peasants should find a real job. >:(
Very scary for the kid!
Hope everyone stays safe!
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in pakistan every one smells like dumpster....
the end
thats cause we bathe in curry
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thats cause we bathe in curry
well played