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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: SAMSON123 on April 18, 2010, 11:31:00 AM
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Seems there are a number of "DRILLS" being carried out over Germany and elsewhere in Europe by NATO, that may be the reason for the stoppage of air traffic. The excuse of ash clouds from Iceland's erupting volcano is suspect if you ask me. The news just showed recently a investigative team who flew literally a couple hundred feet from the erupting volcano in order for the public to have a first hand look at what the eruption looked like. Now I found it weird that a plane flew to Iceland and then a helicopter flew all around the volcano numerous times with absolutely no ill effect to the air plane or the helicopter. This military exercise: BRILLIANT ARDENT, has been going on for some time now and yet at no time has the military stopped their planes from flying around Germany/Europe claiming the ash cloud is a danger. Seems the military wants the sky free of traffic while it conducts this mission, so it is using the volcano as an excuse to do so. Now what exactly is this mission for? We all know now that every time a "DRILL" is conducted a supposed "terroristic" event soon follows.
USAFE units participate in BRILLIANT ARDENT 2010
Posted 4/14/2010 Updated 4/15/2010 Email story Print story
by Master Sgt. Keith Houin
USAFE/PA
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4/14/2010 - RAMSTEIN, Germany -- The 22nd Fighter Squadron at Spangdhalem Air Base and 351st Air Refueling Squadron from RAF Mildenhall are partnering with air forces from the Czech Republic, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, and Turkey to participate in Exercise BRILLIANT ARDENT 10.
The large scale NATO Response Force Air Live Exercise hosted by Germany began April 12 and will run through April 22. Participation by U.S. Air Forces in Europe units directly aligns with the command key mission areas of providing forces for global operations and building partnership.
Sixty aircraft ranging from fighters, attack aircraft, helicopters, tanker and airborne early warning aircraft are operating from air bases located in Germany, the Czech Republic, France, Poland, and UK.
In addition to air assets, tactical employment of Theater Missile Defense and Ground Based Air Defense assets will be extensively exercised.
The aim of BAT 10 is to train, test, integrate and validate the interoperability, readiness and capabilities of NATO Response Force 15 nominated air forces and associated command structures by exercising NRF missions and tasks in a challenging and realistic scenario.
The exercise is also open to "non NRF" air units from NATO, as well as Partnership for Peace nations, and provides an outstanding training opportunity. The exercise scenario is based around a United Nations mandated NATO-led Crisis Response Operation in a fictitious geo-political setting, a scenario specifically designed for this exercise.
The NRF concept provides the Alliance with a robust capability to meet the challenging security environment of the 21st century by providing a highly trained and agile force, at high readiness, able to deploy at short notice wherever and whenever directed to do so by the North Atlantic Council.
The NRF comprises deployable NATO Land, Maritime and Air Forces provided by Nations on a rotational basis. Training of the force is both essential and continual in order to maintain assigned forces at peak readiness. It is only through exercises such as BAT 10 that NRF forces can be operationally certified as trained, capable and ready to fulfill the NRF mission.
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Finnish fighter jets damaged by volcanic cloud
AFP
Published: Friday, April 16, 2010
HELSINKI - Finnish fighter jets which flew through the volcanic dust covering much of Europe suffered damage and the air force warned Friday the cloud could have a significant impact on planes.
The air force F-18 Hornet jets were on training flights in northern Finland on Thursday morning, when airspace was still open, and the engines were later found to contain fine, volcanic ash dust.
"Based on the pictures, it was discovered that even short flights in ash dust may cause significant damage to an airplane's engine," the Finnish Defence Forces said in a statement.
Images taken inside one Hornet engine with a fibroscope camera indicated that the heat of the engine - around 1,000 degrees Celcius - had melted the ash inside the engine, blocking ventilation channels.
"Blockages of ventilation channels caused by melting ash lead engine components to overheat and material to weaken," it said, adding this could fracture rotating engine parts.
In the worst case, the weakening of component materials could cause "parts to detach and the engine to be destroyed," it said.
The Hornets exposed to the dust from the eruption of a volcano in Iceland would be checked thoroughly, with "at least some" of the engines detached and sent for further studies and repair.
The air force would keep a Hawk combat aircraft equipped with a tank to take atmospheric samples on standby to assist civilian authorities as necessary, it said, adding that operative military flights would continue normally.
Samples taken by the plane, which collects particle samples in a filter in the tank, could be used to analyze how much ash dust was in the air.
A huge cloud of volcanic ash from Iceland has spread over large part of Europe, shutting airports and forcing the cancellation of thousands of flights. Finland's airports were shut Thursday at midnight and flights are not due to resume until Saturday afternoon at earliest.
© Agence France-Presse 2010
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Finnish fighter jets damaged by volcanic cloud
AFP
Published: Friday, April 16, 2010
HELSINKI - Finnish fighter jets which flew through the volcanic dust covering much of Europe suffered damage and the air force warned Friday the cloud could have a significant impact on planes.
The air force F-18 Hornet jets were on training flights in northern Finland on Thursday morning, when airspace was still open, and the engines were later found to contain fine, volcanic ash dust.
"Based on the pictures, it was discovered that even short flights in ash dust may cause significant damage to an airplane's engine," the Finnish Defence Forces said in a statement.
Images taken inside one Hornet engine with a fibroscope camera indicated that the heat of the engine - around 1,000 degrees Celcius - had melted the ash inside the engine, blocking ventilation channels.
"Blockages of ventilation channels caused by melting ash lead engine components to overheat and material to weaken," it said, adding this could fracture rotating engine parts.
In the worst case, the weakening of component materials could cause "parts to detach and the engine to be destroyed," it said.
The Hornets exposed to the dust from the eruption of a volcano in Iceland would be checked thoroughly, with "at least some" of the engines detached and sent for further studies and repair.
The air force would keep a Hawk combat aircraft equipped with a tank to take atmospheric samples on standby to assist civilian authorities as necessary, it said, adding that operative military flights would continue normally.
Samples taken by the plane, which collects particle samples in a filter in the tank, could be used to analyze how much ash dust was in the air.
A huge cloud of volcanic ash from Iceland has spread over large part of Europe, shutting airports and forcing the cancellation of thousands of flights. Finland's airports were shut Thursday at midnight and flights are not due to resume until Saturday afternoon at earliest.
© Agence France-Presse 2010
The few dark and poorly photographed photos really don't tell much of anything in regards to "damage". The only place I found a couple of pictures from gave no explanation to size, depth or seriousness of supposed damage. Neither did they say what if any effect it had on the plane or its ability to fly/control..
(http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=33775)
(http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=33774)
The fighter jets that flew through the dust cloud were operating out of Finnland where the cloud (like in teh rest of the Scandinavian countries, the UK and northern Germany, is most dense and concentrated. The rest of Europe especially Spain, Italy, Sicily,etc are not even effected. Solution: fly to Sicily, southern Spain, Italy or even to Africa: Morocco, unload passengers and let them take trains to their respective countries.
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Seems all of the fuss is over. Successful flights have now taken place all over Europe with good results
International Headlines Examiner
Successful test flights flew over Europe Sunday; list of open and closed airports
April 18, 11:59 AMInternational Headlines ExaminerMarci Stone
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Successful test flights flew over Europe Sunday; list of open and closed airports
Associated Press
Successful test flights flew over Europe Sunday; list of open and closed airports. Sunday, five test flights are scheduled over Europe and the first two were successful; the flights come after an ash cloud over Europe closed airports and thousands of flights around the world have been cancelled.
Sunday, Air France flew a plane from Charles de Gaulle airport and landed successfully in Toulouse in southern France with no passengers aboard. Three other test flights are scheduled Sunday, and if successful airports may re-open shortly afterwards. The skies were sunny, and pilots did not go anywhere near the ash cloud during the flight.
To see an up-to-date list of airports that are open and closed, click Here (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36593878/ns/world_news-europe/).
Wednesday, a volcanic eruption of Eyjafjallajokull in Iceland created a massive ash cloud. The volcano occurred below the glacial ice in Iceland and the cold water chilled the lava very quickly and created small pieces of glass that were carried up into the ash cloud.
It is dangerous for an engine of an airplane to fly near the ash because the small pieces of glass may cause engine failure. As a result, airports are closed and over 16,000 flights in Europe have been cancelled. Travelers have been stranded on six continents around the world.
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Your an idiot Samson/Judi/Jagaurenterprises. Volcanic ash coaks(stops up)fuel nozzles going to the engines combustion chamber, starving fuel flow, in effect killing it. It plugs up the bleed air system, meaning the air tapped off the engine and sent threw the air conditioning system has been compromised, you breath in the ash. It causes the turbines and rotating assemblies to scorch and burn at a higher temperature, which will cause pitting and threaten the integrity of the part. It causes the oil nozzles to spray volcanic ash on rotating bearings and rotating engine shafts that spin upwards of 12,000 RPM, and thats only for a high bypass engines(the kind on commercial jets), not a hornet, which spins even faster. So, basiclly, STFU and go sale some more gas caps.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0418/Should-planes-fly-in-Iceland-volcano-ash-Be-careful-study-says.
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In one incident, all four engines of British Airways flight shut down when flying though the ash of an Indonesian eruption in 1982. The same thing occurred in 1989 when a KLM jet flew through a cloud of ash in Alaska. Both flights were able to restart their engines, but only after losing more than 10,000 feet of altitude.
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Take the tech that was posted by falshood and the fact that we have guys trapped in Kuwait, awaiting leave flights back to the states..through Germany, and SAMSON as usual is full of shit. The story he pasted if from an official USAF Public affairs release on the exercise. I'll see if thats still going on but even medivac flights are being severly restricted to Landstuhl in Germany. We had a guy badly burned and they had to get a special clearance to get him to Germany. SAMSON ur full of shit.
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Your an idiot Samson/Judi/Jagaurenterprises. Volcanic ash coaks(stops up)fuel nozzles going to the engines combustion chamber, starving fuel flow, in effect killing it.
The only idiot I see here is you if you believe that I could have started this thread. ::)
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That's right you hate this since demand for fuel might go down thereby driving down oil prices. I should have realized that.
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Take the tech that was posted by falshood and the fact that we have guys trapped in Kuwait, awaiting leave flights back to the states..through Germany, and SAMSON as usual is full of shit. The story he pasted if from an official USAF Public affairs release on the exercise. I'll see if thats still going on but even medivac flights are being severly restricted to Landstuhl in Germany. We had a guy badly burned and they had to get a special clearance to get him to Germany. SAMSON ur full of shit.
Remember...YOU ARE JUST A DUMB PIECE OF MEAT TO DO THE BIDDING OF YOUR MASTERS...so says Henry Kissinger.
BTW...why post under the name thelamefalsehood...even though it is fitting for you
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Seems all of the fuss is over. Successful flights have now taken place all over Europe with good results
Haha...that's right clown, go back to sleep. We used our HARP technology to cause that volcano and then we flew a SHITLOAD of black ops over Europe. When we come for you, you won't even know it...
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Haha...that's right clown, go back to sleep. We used our HARP technology to cause that volcano and then we flew a SHITLOAD of black ops over Europe. When we come for you, you won't even know it...
You mean HAARP...maybe it should be aimed at your head to shake that massive amount of INACTIVE brain cells awake.
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Whenever I hear the word "ash cloud" I always think of this scene:
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You mean HAARP...maybe it should be aimed at your head to shake that massive amount of INACTIVE brain cells awake.
Haaaaaaahahahahaa....I'm in ur avatar...u worthless assbag...I'm in ur mind. U actually took time out of ur day to put me in ur avatar...priceless. I love me some SAMSON hahahaha.
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Haaaaaaahahahahaa....I'm in ur avatar...u worthless assbag...I'm in ur mind. U actually took time out of ur day to put me in ur avatar...priceless. I love me some SAMSON hahahaha.
I noticed that too ;D