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Cato Policy Report, November/December 1995
Welfare Pays Better Than Work, Study Finds
$36,000 a Year in Hawaii
Welfare benefits are far more generous than commonly thought and substantially exceed the amount a recipient could earn in an entry-level job. As a result, recipients are likely to choose welfare over work, increasing long-term dependence. Those are the principal findings in "The Work vs. Welfare Trade-Off" (Policy Analysis no. 240) by Michael Tanner, director of health and welfare studies; Stephen Moore, director of fiscal policy studies; and David Hartman, CEO of Hartland Bank in Austin, Texas. The paper was released at the height of the welfare debate in Congress.
The study examines the combined value of benefits--including Aid to Families with Dependent Children, food stamps, Medicaid, and others--for a typical welfare recipient in each of the 50 states. The value of those tax-free benefits is then compared with the amount of take-home income a worker would have left after paying taxes on an equivalent pretax income. The following are among the study's findings.
* To match the value of welfare benefits, a mother with two children would have to earn as much as $36,400 in Hawaii or as little as $11,500 in Mississippi.
* In New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, the District of Columbia, Hawaii, Alaska, and Rhode Island, welfare pays more than a $12.00-an-hour job--or more than two and a half times the minimum wage.
* In 40 states welfare pays more than an $8.00-an-hour job. In 17 states the welfare package is more generous than a $10.00-an-hour job.
* Welfare benefits are especially generous in large cities. Welfare provides the equivalent of an hourly pretax wage of $14.75 in New York City, $12.45 in Philadelphia, $11.35 in Baltimore, and $10.90 in Detroit.
* In 9 states welfare pays more than the average first-year salary for a teacher. In 29 states it pays more than the average starting salary for a secretary. In 47 states welfare pays more than a janitor earns. Indeed, in the 6 most generous states, benefits exceed the entry-level salary for a computer programmer.
The authors conclude that if Congress or state governments are serious about reducing welfare dependence and rewarding work, the most promising reform is to cut benefit levels substantially.
The study has been the subject of major news coverage. In a September 28 Wall Street Journal guest column, Tanner and Moore wrote, "The welfare reform proposals just passed by the Senate, and the earlier House version, are designed to reduce 'hard-core' welfare dependency and reward work. But we believe the most critical public policy implication of our findings is that ultimately these goals can be accomplished only by cutting benefit levels substantially. Unless and until this is done, Congress will have failed to end welfare as we know it."
Hourly Wage Equivalent of Welfare
Hawaii $17.50
Alaska 15.48
Massachusetts 14.66
Connecticut 14.23
Washington, D.C. 13.99
New York 13.13
New Jersey 12.74
Rhode Island 12.55
California 11.59
Virginia 11.11
Maryland 10.96
New Hampshire 10.96
Maine 10.38
Delaware 10.34
Colorado 10.05
Vermont 10.05
Minnesota 10.00
Washington 9.95
Nevada 9.71
Utah 9.57
Michigan 9.47
Pennsylvania 9.47
Illinois 9.33
Wisconsin 9.33
Oregon 9.23
Wyoming 9.18
Indiana 9.13
Iowa 9.13
New Mexico 8.94
Florida 8.75
Idaho 8.65
Oklahoma 8.51
Kansas 8.46
North Dakota 8.46
Georgia 8.37
Ohio 8.37
South Dakata 8.32
Louisana 8.17
Kentucky 8.08
North Carolina 8.08
Montana 7.84
South Carolina 7.79
Nebraska 7.64
Texas 7.31
West Virginia 7.31
Missouri 7.16
Arizona 6.78
Tennessee 6.59
Arkansas 6.35
Alabama 6.25
Mississippi 5.53
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I always have a hard time balancing the welfare issue. If we pay them too little, I think it just forces them to stay on because they're just barely eeking out a living. Pay too much, and I think they have little motivation to get off.
I'm not really sure where to draw the line. Maybe pay them high, but reduce the amount of time they can be on?
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Some counties also give them cell phones with 76 min/month so scheduling appointments is easier!! :)
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If Im not mistaken, in CT cash benefits are only good for 2.5 years, but they always let people extend
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Some counties also give them cell phones with 76 min/month so scheduling appointments is easier!! :)
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If Im not mistaken, in CT cash benefits are only good for 2.5 years, but they always let people extend
I dont know but I would be ok with work fare. You need assistance, fine, but you are going to work and do menial crap so that getting a regular job is better.
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It's true, LOL!
I'll bet that study doesn't include no deductible health insurance for families, school lunch, before/after school programs and so on. :)
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I dont know but I would be ok with work fare. You need assistance, fine, but you are going to work and do menial crap so that getting a regular job is better.
Oh you wont get an arguement out of me..I agree assistance is fine, but community service is a MUST
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It's true, LOL!
I'll bet that study doesn't include no deductible health insurance for families, school lunch, before/after school programs and so on. :)
Who comes up with this stuff? ??? Geeze Louise.
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Who comes up with this stuff? ??? Geeze Louise.
"What about the children?!!" :)
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"What about the children?!!" :)
Yeah. The children would be better off if mommy or daddy got a job.
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I will say this. Yes better we have a job as parents, HOWEVER, it's not easy out there. Took me 5 months to find a job. I collected the full amount under CT statutes which was more than enough because I live rent and mortgage free and had no car payment up until last week so I was good. No clue how people make it that dont have unemployment. But 36k in ct isnt bad for not working
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people on welfare should be required to serve in the armed forces
1 yr for ever yr on welfare unless you r handicapped
the end
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Toxic, that would make sense but if your a single parent, with no family, not sure if that would be a great idea, lets say if you go to war. Maybe they could work on a base or something along that lines. Clean up the highways, parks etc....
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Toxic, that would make sense but if your a single parent, with no family, not sure if that would be a great idea, lets say if you go to war. Maybe they could work on a base or something along that lines. Clean up the highways, parks etc....
They should be required to do something.
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require drug AND alcohol testing!
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require drug AND alcohol testing!
Great idea, but the costs are probably to high for both testing
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Great idea, but the costs are probably to high for both testing
If I were home collecting checks watching a flat screen all day, I would be poppin 40's too. ;D
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Yeah. The children would be better off if mommy or daddy got a job.
Do the math..... then edit your post, LOL!
Most people on welfare would never make as much real money working 9-5 once all the benefits are taken into consideration.
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Do the math..... then edit your post, LOL!
Most people on welfare would never make as much real money working 9-5 once all the benefits are taken into consideration.
which is the problem why get off when you have more when youre getting govt assistance?
sorry bro you can prevent pregnancy these days, we actually know what causes this. Its not anybody elses fault or problem they are in the situation they are in. Some assitance is needed and deserved as they are part of our community and their welfare is tied in with our own but that doesnt mean we should pay for them to live.
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which is the problem why get off when you have more when youre getting govt assistance?
sorry bro you can prevent pregnancy these days, we actually know what causes this. Its not anybody elses fault or problem they are in the situation they are in. Some assitance is needed and deserved as they are part of our community and their welfare is tied in with our own but that doesnt mean we should pay for them to live.
Why would someone not get pregnant when there's free money to be had, FFS!?? :)
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If a company can afford to make me pee in a cup and test it, so can the Federal fukken Government.
And if I have to be drug tested to earn it, they should be drug tested to steal receive it from me.
I have also stated in past posts on here that some type of community service should be mandatory – no matter how modest.
Everyone can do something.
My biggest point is that the govt. needs to stop rewarding these people for screwing.
They get an SSI check for every kid they have, and many make a career out of it.
How about help with the first two...
After that, you’re on your own!
This welfare shit is so far out of hand, it’s sickening.
So, now we have healthcare reform that will cost us how much more money – when instead, we could have had welfare reform to save us money.
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Why would someone not get pregnant when there's free money to be had, FFS!?? :)
thats the point im making, lower the amount of assistance and there will be more incentive to stay off and get off of it...FFS ;)
make ppl more accountable for their actions and they will in turn think about their decisions more before making them...as of right now we are trying to help limit accountability to the acting party instead shifting responsibility to 3rd parties...eliminate the 3rd parties assistance and the acting party wont have the crutch to lean on and hopefully will not make the stupid decisions they have been.
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Welfare was started with good intentions, but has evolved into a rewards system for slacking & mooching.
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thats the point im making, lower the amount of assistance and there will be more incentive to stay off and get off of it...FFS ;)
make ppl more accountable for their actions and they will in turn think about their decisions more before making them...as of right now we are trying to help limit accountability to the acting party instead shifting responsibility to 3rd parties...eliminate the 3rd parties assistance and the acting party wont have the crutch to lean on and hopefully will not make the stupid decisions they have been.
Welfare is not designed to help poor people. It's supposed to keep them from getting so poor that working people become endangered and we need a police state. Just think of it as enlightened self-interest. :)
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Welfare is not designed to help poor people. It's supposed to keep them from getting so poor that working people become endangered and we need a police state. Just think of it as enlightened self-interest. :)
LOL this maybe a happy coincident but welfare was indeed designed to help ppl...
and if thats your view on it id much rather just have them thrown in prison, at least whem Im paying for that i get something for it...
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LOL this maybe a happy coincident but welfare was indeed designed to help ppl...
and if thats your view on it id much rather just have them thrown in prison, at least whem Im paying for that i get something for it...
Welfare was never intended to help people, Tony Mc Tony.
Prison would be too expensive. Just let them have the money and keep working. :)
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Welfare was never intended to help people, Tony Mc Tony.
Prison would be too expensive. Just let them have the money and keep working. :)
LOL actually it is intended to help ppl, does it well thats debatable but it was intended to help ppl...
prison maybe more expensive but like I said at least we get something out of that...
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LOL actually it is intended to help ppl, does it well thats debatable but it was intended to help ppl...
prison maybe more expensive but like I said at least we get something out of that...
You're really just mistaken, Man.
Ok, go look at the stats for teen pregnancy in Harlem before and after welfare. It literally eroded the family structure in minority families. Jobs would have helped people but welfare was cheaper and more controllable. The effects on poor whites have been even worse.
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You're really just mistaken, Man.
Ok, go look at the stats for teen pregnancy in Harlem before and after welfare. It literally eroded the family structure in minority families. Jobs would have helped people but welfare was cheaper and more controllable. The effects on poor whites have been even worse.
LOL youre agruing results...intentions and results arent the same...
it was intended to help ppl, again did it? that is debatable but it was intended to help ppl not to simply keep ppl from acting out...
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LOL youre agruing results...intentions and results arent the same...
it was intended to help ppl, again did it? that is debatable but it was intended to help ppl not to simply keep ppl from acting out...
Keep believing whatever makes you feel better, LOL!
We all know on some level, welfare (as initially designed or any incarnation) never could have helped poor people.
Investing in education would have eventually flooded the job market with too many minorities, low class whites* and other undesirables. Welfare is a lot cheaper than eroding opportunity for actual middle class people. :)
*Wiggers is the technical term.
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Keep believing whatever makes you feel better, LOL!
We all know on some level, welfare (as initially designed or any incarnation) never could have helped poor people.
Investing in education would have eventually flooded the job market with too many minorities, low class whites* and other undesirables. Welfare is a lot cheaper than eroding opportunity for actual middle class people. :)
*Wiggers is the technical term.
hahahah
welfare was never meant to be a source of constant income more so a source of temporary income to help assitst n the transition between jobs...
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hahahah
welfare was never meant to be a source of constant income more so a source of temporary income to help assitst n the transition between jobs...
Welfare did/does exactly what it was intended to do.
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Welfare did/does exactly what it was intended to do.
Yeah, keep hungry angry people from rioting, looting, and pillaging.
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Yeah, keep hungry angry people from rioting, looting, and pillaging.
My guess is they grossly underestimated how non-minorities would be affected. :)
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Toxic, that would make sense but if your a single parent, with no family, not sure if that would be a great idea, lets say if you go to war. Maybe they could work on a base or something along that lines. Clean up the highways, parks etc....
exactly....they could do SOMETHING
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exactly....they could do SOMETHING
Why?!
You're way better at math than me..... find someone you know on SSI/SSD and figure out what they're getting per year in real money. By real money I mean cash, insurance (with no deductible), meds, food stamps, child help, etc... You'll quickly figure out they are doing pretty well without wasting days working.
Then when you really want to get pissed off consider that they are basically drawing what someone would be getting from an annuity upwards of a $600K. Even more if they have high medicine costs like diabetes, high blood pressure, or any other self inflicted disability.