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The election of no... NJ taxpayers wake up!
Philly Burbs ^ | 4/21/2010 | Phillyburbs
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:31:16 AM by mikelets456
Thirty-four of 39 school budgets in the county were defeated.
School districts spending plans were massacred at the polls during the annual school elections Tuesday as voters used the ballot box to vent their frustrations about higher taxes.
According to unofficial results at press time, only five of 39 school district budgets were passed, a 12 percent approval rate, the lowest this decade and possibly longer.
The only other time this decade that fewer than half the budgets failed was in 2006 when only 17 of 39 budgets won approval.
School officials said the results were not surprising given the large cuts in state aid handed down to them by Gov. Chris Christie both during this school year and next year.
"We lost by a few votes and we were going against the governor and (radio station) 101.5," said Burlington City Business Administrator Craig Wilkie about his district's 480-532 vote defeat.
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Stupid!
Now, teachers will get laid off.
Music programs get cut.
Athletic programs will get cut.
More students per classroom.
Teachers getting laid off.
Teachers going to unemployment to collect benefits for being unemployed.
If the budget was passed, Teachers would have conceded some benefits,
but they would have still been employed to do their jobs.
Being unemployed, we, the taxpayers in NJ get to pay them for doing NOTHING!!!
This is REAL UGLY in NJ!!
Sandra
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How do you propose closing a 8 BILLION dollar deficit?
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Stupid!
Now, teachers will get laid off.
Music programs get cut.
Athletic programs will get cut.
More students per classroom.
Teachers getting laid off.
Teachers going to unemployment to collect benefits for being unemployed.
If the budget was passed, Teachers would have conceded some benefits,
but they would have still been employed to do their jobs.
Being unemployed, we, the taxpayers in NJ get to pay them for doing NOTHING!!!
This is REAL UGLY in NJ!!
Sandra
Not stupid at all.Whats stupid is teachers union employess pay ZERO money into their benefits and have the best benefits on earth.They put in about 40,000 dollars into their retirement funds and come away with over 3 million in retirement perks and income.Chris Christie is the best politician in the country and he has laid it out as it is and the people know he is right.
By the way,music programs are a waste of money.In Indiana we pay about 400 dollars per sport for the kids to play.Just charge the parents for extra activities.
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I have a friend who is a teacher near me and he told me that "art" teachers make around 100k a year and do finger paints all day.
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I have a friend who is a teacher near me and he told me that "art" teachers make around 100k a year and do finger paints all day.
Ah i'm calling bullsh*t on that one. University professors make over 100K, district superintendents may make over 100K but not an 'art' teacher. Nice try at lying though 333.
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Look up Yonkers, NY fool.
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it's 55K MAX in the highest paid states. either you're lying or your 'friend' is full of sh*t
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it's 55K MAX in the highest paid states. either you're lying or your 'friend' is full of sh*t
Bro - you are so clueless. Look up Yonkers, NY.
My friends who are cops and teacjhers are Fireman are all at or over 100k a year.
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Look up Yonkers, NY fool.
Done. You'd need to spend 15-20 years with a BA and 15+ with an MA. Not exactly 'outrageous' at all considering the service and time provided. You can cry about an art teacher making money but fact is education is a foundation of our society and arts are apart of that. Imagine if we had no art teachers in our world and no artists what a boring existence that would be.
You come on here and cry about the science and technology adviser talking about not being the best anymore and how this is a disgrace, then when it comes to teacher salaries you say fu*k em and bring up some bullsh*t example about finger painting. I would say that art teacher probably has put up with more sh*t than anyone would ever like to deal with. You don't become a teacher to be rich. Case in point it takes 15 years to make anything resembling what a median lawyer would make.
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http://www.tjnnews.com/salary/salaries_yks_07.php?frm_Location=all&frm_Title=TEACHER++++++++++++++++++&frm_name=&frmreg=
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Bro - you are so clueless. Look up Yonkers, NY.
My friends who are cops and teacjhers are Fireman are all at or over 100k a year.
Good for them, they would have had to provide years of service to get there. The services they provide are essential and necessary for our country. As necessary as having a military when you think about it.
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Done. You'd need to spend 15-20 years with a BA and 15+ with an MA. Not exactly 'outrageous' at all considering the service and time provided. You can cry about an art teacher making money but fact is education is a foundation of our society and arts are apart of that. Imagine if we had no art teachers in our world and no artists what a boring existence that would be.
You come on here and cry about the science and technology adviser talking about not being the best anymore and how this is a disgrace, then when it comes to teacher salaries you say fu*k em and bring up some bullsh*t example about finger painting. I would say that art teacher probably has put up with more sh*t than anyone would ever like to deal with. You don't become a teacher to be rich. Case in point it takes 15 years to make anything resembling what a median lawyer would make.
Thats simply not true when you average in the pension, free health care, time off, etc.
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http://www.tjnnews.com/salary/salaries_yks_07.php?frm_Location=all&frm_Title=TEACHER++++++++++++++++++&frm_name=&frmreg=
You're showing the top people who had to spend 15-20+ years of service there.
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You're showing the top people who had to spend 15-20+ years of service there.
Thats the entire list of people in the school department.
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LOL first KC called bullshit saying there was no way...THEN KC defended it...LMFAO ::)
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Thats simply not true when you average in the pension, free health care, time off, etc.
Uh yeah it is 333. You want the link with the tables in it? Are you now changing the definition of a salary or are you just annoyed because you're example you set was without context and therefore pretty inflammatory. You figured you'd get people to think teachers start at 100K and all they do it finger paint.
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LOL first KC called bullshit saying there was no way...THEN KC defended it...LMFAO ::)
No kidding. i live here and know wexactly what goes on!
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LOL first KC called bullshit saying there was no way...THEN KC defended it...LMFAO ::)
Yep i did call bullsh*t then i looked it up. I never said i didn't agree with what a teacher makes especially under the circumstances 15+ years of service at least. What 333 was trying to make me believe was that a random teacher makes 100k to finger paint. completely out of context.
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Uh yeah it is 333. You want the link with the tables in it? Are you now changing the definition of a salary or are you just annoyed because you're example you set was without context and therefore pretty inflammatory. You figured you'd get people to think teachers start at 100K and all they do it finger paint.
I didnt say they start at 100k salary moron. please show me where I said that.
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Yep i did call bullsh*t then i looked it up. I never said i didn't agree with what a teacher makes especially under the circumstances 15+ years of service at least. What 333 was trying to make me believe was that a random teacher makes 100k to finger paint. completely out of context.
No its not! Teachers are not paid based on subject area, but according tot he bs union demands and other bogus rules.
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Thats the entire list of people in the school department.
and they all had to spend 15+ years of service to get there.
http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/teacher-pay-scale-yonkers-ny/ (http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/teacher-pay-scale-yonkers-ny/)
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I didnt say they start at 100k salary moron. please show me where I said that.
Oh please why didn't you add that the teacher had to have 15+ years of service to get that? Did you not know or were you just withholding it to make the statement more inflammatory?
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Its not inflammatory if its the truth.
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What KC misses,as do all libs do,in CT the teachers make an average salary of 60,000 a year.HOWEVER thats wotrking a 185 day school year.Now,I defy KC to tell me a person working a 185 day year making 65,000 dollars with the best benefits on earth isnt stupid.Any lawyer making money like that working that little?Doctors?Anyone working that few days for that kind of pay?
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No its not! Teachers are not paid based on subject area, but according tot he bs union demands and other bogus rules.
all subjects are as important as each other 333. Without a balance we would have a one dimensional society. Funding should go to all subjects and all teachers regardless of subject. And it's based on years of service heck some people can spend 30+ years and not make 100K in yonkers.
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So the finger paint teacher should get as much as the math teacher?
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Its not inflammatory if its the truth.
Truth taken out of context and put in with inflammatory remarks of only doing "finger painting" please don't pretend you weren't trying to get an aggressive rise out of people with that statement. If it was truly neutral you would have said "i have a friend who knows an arts teacher that makes over 100K" You wouldn't add in 'finger painting' unless you wanted people to get mad at such an outrage. If you truly wanted full disclosure of the truth you also would have said it takes 15+ years or service to reach that figure.
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So the finger paint teacher should get as much as the math teacher?
There you are again. Inflammatory remarks about an arts teacher. Why shouldn't they? Are arts not as important as math? Without arts we would have no visual history, we would have no TV, no film, no theatre, no painting, no sculpture, no architecture, no fashion it would all be uniform block houses and one piece uniforms.
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My friend who is math teacher told me about this. I'm not making this up any more than i did the story about Pedro Espada stealing $14 Million from NY taxpayers.
The teachers' unions, the democrats, the welfare scum, the govt employee unions, and their apologists are killing this country.
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What KC misses,as do all libs do,in CT the teachers make an average salary of 60,000 a year.HOWEVER thats wotrking a 185 day school year.Now,I defy KC to tell me a person working a 185 day year making 65,000 dollars with the best benefits on earth isnt stupid.Any lawyer making money like that working that little?Doctors?Anyone working that few days for that kind of pay?
I agree Billy but teachers work more than 185 days a year. There are always planning days in the summer holidays etc. However i'd still say it'd only be about 220 max and for principals around 250 max. I think students should be in school for 200+ days a year.
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There you are again. Inflammatory remarks about an arts teacher. Why shouldn't they? Are arts not as important as math? Without arts we would have no visual history, we would have no TV, no film, no theatre, no painting, no sculpture, no architecture, no fashion it would all be uniform block houses and one piece uniforms.
No, the arts teacher IS NOT as important as the math teacher.
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My friend who is math teacher told me about this. I'm not making this up any more than i did the story about Pedro Espada stealing $14 Million from NY taxpayers.
The teachers' unions, the democrats, the welfare scum, the govt employee unions, and their apologists are killing this country.
So, you're math teacher friend obviously doesn't care much about the arts. That's all you've established.
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So, you're math teacher friend obviously doesn't care much about the arts. That's all you've established.
No, he said these kids are playing with play doh and finger paints when what they need is reading, writing, and math.
I agree 100%
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No, the arts teacher IS NOT as important as the math teacher.
hahaha see you have no understanding of the world in which we live 333 you're set in this belief of yours which is false. No subject is above another. Without each it would be pointless drivel.
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Great, so some moron can play with play doh and finger paints but cant tell when the check out clerk robs him at the 7/11.
I get it. Typical liberal idiocy.
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Great, so some moron can play with play doh and finger paints but cant tell when the check out clerk robs him at the 7/11.
I get it. Typical liberal idiocy.
Oh yes because i said math isn't important didn't i? haha way to take things out of context and try to make them inflammatory. That's been you're whole purpose in this thread, not the truth but inflammatory statements.
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Cry me a river. Finally the taxpayers who actually pay for this garbage are waking up and fighting back from the marxist hoards.
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Cry me a river. Finally the taxpayers who actually pay for this garbage are waking up and fighting back from the marxist hoards.
Paying people for essential services is marxism? I guess the military is marxist to right?
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Paying people for essential services is marxism? I guess the military is marxist to right?
No, these greedy slobs in the unions seeking to loot the taxpayer year after year after year to fund their bloat, fat, and wasteful bs is.
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No, these greedy slobs in the unions seeking to loot the taxpayer year after year after year to fund their bloat, fat, and wasteful bs is.
teaching our children is wasteful? I would argue we don't spend enough on education in this country. we lose thousands of our brightest to big business and large salaries. Education just can't compete. There was once a time when it could and did compete when the smartest became teachers or professors now they go work for goldman sachs. And hey that's fine you go where you will live the best life but if we put more money into education perhaps then it can once again compete for those people and retain them, that was when we had the best education system in the world, when we were the gold standard, now slowly that's been eroded because education has become less of a priority. This isn't an American phenomenon it's a worldwide one where the private sector has outpaced the public one for salaries to the point where the smartest no longer view teaching etc as a viable career option. Sad really.
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Abe Lincoln, GW, TJ, SA, JM, TE, and the founders were some of the most brilliant minds ever and didnt need teachers' unions, finger paints, play doh, condoms on cucumbers, Steve has two daddies, or any of the other crap we waste money on and they managed no?
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Abe Lincoln, GW, TJ, SA, JM, TE, and the founders were some of the most brilliant minds ever and didnt need teachers' unions, finger paints, play doh, condoms on cucumbers, Steve has two daddies, or any of the other crap we waste money on and they managed no?
So you justify your stance by pointing to a few minor details of education some of which you can not prove beyond 'my friend told me so'? Wow you really are dense. You cling to the scraps there 333 and keep thinking teachers are marxists and evil because they are paid by the government. BTW did you go to public school 333 or private? Just curious as to whether you were educated by marxists or not.
Also by your reasoning should we have everyone raised in 1700's conditions so they can be like minded?
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More money on education? I think not...I believe John Stossel shot that down a long time ago. I think our education system is broke because of the wastefulness of government, not because not enough is spent. I think parents should have more say in where their children get an education via vouchers and people that don't have children or don't have any in school anymore should also should to use their taxes towards certain schools or programs. I think that would increase transparency at least; in my area the most of our school taxes go towards the beauracracy more than the schools themselves.
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More money on education? I think not...I believe John Stossel shot that down a long time ago. I think our education system is broke because of the wastefulness of government, not because not enough is spent. I think parents should have more say in where their children get an education via vouchers and people that don't have children or don't have any in school anymore should also should to use their taxes towards certain schools or programs. I think that would increase transparency at least; in my area the most of our school taxes go towards the beauracracy more than the schools themselves.
I agree that there are bureaucrats who suck money out of the system, but that doesn't take away from the fact that our school system is grossly underfunded. Taking out all wasteful spending is not a total answer at all. It's a part of a solution sure but the solution is to spend more money, more wisely. I don't agree that parents or people outside of the school system should get to delegate their tax dollars to a certain school. I think you will breed favoritism and continue to widen the gap between wealthier and poorer areas.
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I agree that there are bureaucrats who suck money out of the system, but that doesn't take away from the fact that our school system is grossly underfunded. Taking out all wasteful spending is not a total answer at all. It's a part of a solution sure but the solution is to spend more money, more wisely. I don't agree that parents or people outside of the school system should get to delegate their tax dollars to a certain school. I think you will breed favoritism and continue to widen the gap between wealthier and poorer areas.
Not necessarily with school vouchers which I support. It can give the parent and child more opportunity in my opinion as it is obvious what has happened with our school system under government control. Saying to spend more money more wisely and to say that about the government isn't a solution either. Something better can be done to rectify the system which is broke in many parts of the country. The gap of education has to do with taxes not funding, give the parents vouchers to increase choice for their children. Wealthier areas pay more taxes to therefore they get better schools, that isn't a societal fault, that is a by product of our tax system so I think to truly fix our schools, if they are to stay in government control, then our tax system needs to be revamped at both the state and federal level.
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And so it begins.
Just found out that orchestra in the HS may be the first extra curricular activity on the chopping block.
Sandra
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How do you propose closing a 8 BILLION dollar deficit?
By making cuts all across the board, including no tax cuts for the wealthy.
Merging school districts and fire, police, emergency services in towns that have smaller populations.
Stop allowing public employees from double dipping. Work as a superintendant on one job, have another part time job working for the government, get pensions for both.
Raise the gas tax.
Hell, NJ transit just raised it's rate by 25%. A monthly pass will now cost $349.00
Where the hell is all of this money going?
I can't wait to move out of NJ.
Sandra
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Not sure who said raise the gas tax, but let's be honest. Start cutting non essential government programs. Why is it that police/fire get cut first? Does that make any sense at all?