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A gasbagger talking to a teabagger.
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Did Bush take over GM and Chrysler?Did Bush dictate what CEOs could make?Did Bush take over the health care system?Did Bush try to take over the financial system?Did Bush give billions and billions of our money to filthy unions?Did Bush try to take over the energy industry?I dont recall Bush doing any of that.
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Did Bush take over GM and Chrysler?Did Bush dictate what CEOs could make?Did Bush take over the health care system?Did Bush try to take over the financial system?Did Bush give billions and billions of our money to filthy unions?Did Bush try to take over the energy industry?I dont recall Bush doing any of that.
GM take over??? If you want to believe it's a takeover that's fine but according to this article they are repaying their loan.
GM repays $5.8B in bailout loans - Sacramento Business Journal:
"General Motors Corp. chairman and chief executive Ed Whitacre announced Wednesday morning that GM has paid off $5.8 billion in government loans, with interest, including $4.7 billion to the U.S. government and $1.1 billion to the Canadian government — the balance of billions in loans it had received last year as part of its restructuring.
The initial loans had amounted to $6.7 billion from the U.S. Treasury and $1.3 billion from the Canadian and Ontario governments, among other debt.
GM paid the money years ahead of schedule.
“When GM accepted taxpayer loans last year, we pledged to use those funds to restructure this company, to reinvest in our people and our plants, to create jobs and bring outstanding new vehicles to market,” Whitacre said
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Did Bush take over GM and Chrysler?Did Bush dictate what CEOs could make?Did Bush take over the health care system?Did Bush try to take over the financial system?Did Bush give billions and billions of our money to filthy unions?Did Bush try to take over the energy industry?I dont recall Bush doing any of that.
http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts
Yes. The Bailout of the Auto Industry happend UNDER BUSH in September 2008!
Auto Industry 2008 In late September 2008, Congress approved a more than $630 billion spending bill, which included a measure for $25 billion in loans to the auto industry. These low-interest loans are intended to aid the industry in its push to build more fuel-efficient, environmentally-friendly vehicles. The Detroit 3 -- General Motors, Ford and Chrysler -- will be the primary beneficiaries. $25 billion
Bush also gave us,
Airline Industry 2001 The terrorist attacks of September 11 crippled an already financially troubled industry. To bail out the airlines, President Bush signed into law the Air Transportation Safety and Stabilization Act, which compensated airlines for the mandatory grounding of aircraft after the attacks. The act released $5 billion in compensation and an additional $10 billion in loan guarantees or other federal credit instruments. (What happened after the bailout?) $18.6 billion
● Bear Stearns 2008 JP Morgan Chase and the federal government bailed out Bear Stearns when the financial giant neared collapse. JP Morgan purchased Bear Stearns for $236 million; the Federal Reserve provided a $30 billion credit line to ensure the sale could move forward. $30 billion
● Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac 2008 On Sep. 7, 2008, Fannie and Freddie were essentially nationalized: placed under the conservatorship of the Federal Housing Finance Agency. Under the terms of the rescue, the Treasury has invested billions to cover the companies' losses. Initially, Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson put a ceiling of $100 billion for investments in each company. In February, Tim Geithner raised it to $200 billion. The money was authorized by the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008. $400 billion
● American International Group (A.I.G.) 2008 On four separate occasions, the government has offered aid to AIG to keep it from collapsing, rising from an initial $85 billion credit line from the Federal Reserve to a combined $180 billion effort between the Treasury ($70 billion) and Fed ($110 billion). ($40 billion of the Treasury’s commitment is also included in the TARP total.) $180 billion
● Auto Industry 2008 In late September 2008, Congress approved a more than $630 billion spending bill, which included a measure for $25 billion in loans to the auto industry. These low-interest loans are intended to aid the industry in its push to build more fuel-efficient, environmentally-friendly vehicles. The Detroit 3 -- General Motors, Ford and Chrysler -- will be the primary beneficiaries. $25 billion
● Troubled Asset Relief Program 2008 In October 2008, Congress passed the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act, which authorized the Treasury Department to spend $700 billion to combat the financial crisis. Treasury has been doling out the money via an alphabet soup of different programs. Here’s our running tally of companies getting TARP funds. $700 billion
● Citigroup 2008 Citigroup received a $25 billion investment through the TARP in October and another $20 billion in November. (That $45 billion is also included in the TARP total.) Additional aid has come in the form of government guarantees to limit losses from a $301 billion pool of toxic assets. In addition to the Treasury's $5 billion commitment, the FDIC has committed $10 billion and the Federal Reserve up to about $220 billion. $280 billion
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BILLY, Bush gave out shitloads of $ to keep companies afloat. He just didn't have any accountability for it. Obama is actually saying "If you take this money, they are conditions. TA listed all the Bush $ handouts.
I'd prefer companies not need the $. But if they're gonna require OUR TAX DOLLARS to do it, then I damn sure don't care if CEO pay is limited. They obviously don't deserve that much $ - if they run the company into bankruptcy.
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BILLY, Bush gave out shitloads of $ to keep companies afloat. He just didn't have any accountability for it. Obama is actually saying "If you take this money, they are conditions. TA listed all the Bush $ handouts.
I'd prefer companies not need the $. But if they're gonna require OUR TAX DOLLARS to do it, then I damn sure don't care if CEO pay is limited. They obviously don't deserve that much $ - if they run the company into bankruptcy.
Correct. Bush led the way and opened the door for this nonsense.
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and the fact that mccain didn't criticize bush for these no-string handouts, along with his YES Tarp vote - makes me think we'd be seeing the same thing now.
Maybe it would have just been a bunch of small bailouts like Bush did. I'm adding up all the Bush numbers above - Looks to be over $2.5 or 2.7 trillion easily. (I'm just adding in my head.
Obama gave a 1-time shot of 787 billion, which will be dispersed slowly.
So really... Repubs get a bunch of little stimulus bills thru one at a time, and immediately disperse the money. The Dems pass them all at once, then disperse the money slowly.
It's the same thing, really. Mccain would be spending like a drunken sailor to keep this boat afloat right now also.
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When McCain supported TARP and said the "fundamentals of the economy" were strong, he lost the election right there.
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McCain didn`t realize the collapse was knocking on the door.
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Props to the very gross joy Behar for pointing this out.
It's good when people realize that whichever party the president is from - he was still going to be issuing all the tax dollars to keep all these companies afloat.
As TA showed above, Bush gave almost 3 TRILLION BUCKS to keep companies afloat, just in that short list. Repubs didn't vote against it - THEY SUPPORTED IT. Tea party people didn't march against it.
Suddenly a dem gets in, and lowers their personal income taxes while spending about as much as Bush did... and they're crying "civil war 2!" and "treason!"
It's sad, really. And 33- I think Romney, Rudy, hilary, Edwards, Huck - ALL OF THEM would be releasing tax dollars to keep the $ afloat, just like Bush, Mccain, and Obama did.
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When McCain supported TARP and said the "fundamentals of the economy" were strong, he lost the election right there
mccain lost the election when he picked the retard for vp :D :D :D :D :D
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Palin also supported the TARP bailout.
As governor and mayor, she also spent a shitload of money.
Wise conservatives like Alan Keyes and our very own 333386 admit she's a RINO now.
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When McCain supported TARP and said the "fundamentals of the economy" were strong, he lost the election right there
mccain lost the election when he picked the retard for vp :D :D :D :D :D
No he didnt and that is simply not true.
Obama and the MSM kept saying McSame McSame McSame as to economic policies and Obama got a free pass and was elected. Palin had nothing to do with it.
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33, I'm liking you more and more when you admit Bush was a spend-happy RINO as well. makes you a lot more credible on calling out Obama for the spending.
I'm looking at the 2012 candidates... wondering which of them would stop the continual bailouts - or if any of them would do it at all?
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I don't like Joy Behar, but I'm going to have to agree...
Bush slowly killed our country for eight years, and none of these tea bag types said a word. Suddenly Obama takes over, and continues to "stay the course" and these people come out of the wood work...
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33, I'm liking you more and more when you admit Bush was a spend-happy RINO as well. makes you a lot more credible on calling out Obama for the spending.
I'm looking at the 2012 candidates... wondering which of them would stop the continual bailouts - or if any of them would do it at all?
240 - I have 25,000 posts and am still waiting for one person to once show me one post defending Bush on almost anything other than Alito, Roberts, and some other small things.
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33,
were the MSM and Obam wrong when they said "McSame"?
He took the same lib positions as Bush on Economy and TARP. They both supported Amnesty.
What 2007/2008 positions of Mccain were different from Bush's? (You can't count what he did in 2001 thru 2005, before he decided to jump in bed with RINO bush).
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I don't like Joy Behar, but I'm going to have to agree...
Bush slowly killed our country for eight years, and none of these tea bag types said a word. Suddenly Obama takes over, and continues to "stay the course" and these people come out of the wood work...
Its called the boiling frog principle.
BTW - its was the conservatives that killed amnesty for illegals, dubai ports, harriet meirs, and a few other things.
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haha i completely forgot about Harriet Myers and the Dubai thing.
Obama is a lib. Bush was pretty damn lib, especially on the big things. And clinton was a lib.
Has it really been 20 years since we had a conservative in office?
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I had never really noticed how much the Bush bailouts added up. Thanks for sharing that, TA.
i guess a bunch of little debts, you don't notice. When Obama pushes theu 787 billion once, then slowly passe sit out, Repubs scream about that huge number. But when Bush did it slowly, most of them were quiet. Props to those who did say something.
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I had never really noticed how much the Bush bailouts added up. Thanks for sharing that, TA.
i guess a bunch of little debts, you don't notice. When Obama pushes theu 787 billion once, then slowly passe sit out, Repubs scream about that huge number. But when Bush did it slowly, most of them were quiet. Props to those who did say something.
Remember 240 - TARP failed the first time it was voted on as the HOUSE GOP voted against against it. Remember also, the democrats controlled the house of reps and Pelosi called the house gop members "unpatriotic" for opposing TARP the first time.
The market tanked after that and they pealed off a few votes to make it pass.
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Obama and the MSM kept saying McSame McSame McSame as to economic policies and Obama got a free pass and was elected. Palin had nothing to do with it.
msm, is this the msm that you and billy say nobody watches when you site all these polls :D :D :D :D :D :D
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McCain didn`t realize the collapse was knocking on the door.
LOL obama and his chief economic advisor said the same shit 3 months later...did you forget about that?
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Yes, but the house GOP caved to bush threatening martial law and offering pork payouts.
They wanted to keep their jobs, and they know their constituents (probably the same people who now are the tea party) were very vocal against it.
Repubs and Bush could have stopped it - and they didn't.
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Obama and the MSM kept saying McSame McSame McSame as to economic policies and Obama got a free pass and was elected. Palin had nothing to do with it.
msm, is this the msm that you and billy say nobody watches when you site all these polls :D :D :D :D :D :D
Obviously some dunces watch it. You have ten posts a day on fox news alone.
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http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts
Yes. The Bailout of the Auto Industry happend UNDER BUSH in September 2008!
Auto Industry 2008 In late September 2008, Congress approved a more than $630 billion spending bill, which included a measure for $25 billion in loans to the auto industry. These low-interest loans are intended to aid the industry in its push to build more fuel-efficient, environmentally-friendly vehicles. The Detroit 3 -- General Motors, Ford and Chrysler -- will be the primary beneficiaries. $25 billion
Bush also gave us,
Airline Industry 2001 The terrorist attacks of September 11 crippled an already financially troubled industry. To bail out the airlines, President Bush signed into law the Air Transportation Safety and Stabilization Act, which compensated airlines for the mandatory grounding of aircraft after the attacks. The act released $5 billion in compensation and an additional $10 billion in loan guarantees or other federal credit instruments. (What happened after the bailout?) $18.6 billion
● Bear Stearns 2008 JP Morgan Chase and the federal government bailed out Bear Stearns when the financial giant neared collapse. JP Morgan purchased Bear Stearns for $236 million; the Federal Reserve provided a $30 billion credit line to ensure the sale could move forward. $30 billion
● Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac 2008 On Sep. 7, 2008, Fannie and Freddie were essentially nationalized: placed under the conservatorship of the Federal Housing Finance Agency. Under the terms of the rescue, the Treasury has invested billions to cover the companies' losses. Initially, Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson put a ceiling of $100 billion for investments in each company. In February, Tim Geithner raised it to $200 billion. The money was authorized by the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008. $400 billion
● American International Group (A.I.G.) 2008 On four separate occasions, the government has offered aid to AIG to keep it from collapsing, rising from an initial $85 billion credit line from the Federal Reserve to a combined $180 billion effort between the Treasury ($70 billion) and Fed ($110 billion). ($40 billion of the Treasury’s commitment is also included in the TARP total.) $180 billion
● Auto Industry 2008 In late September 2008, Congress approved a more than $630 billion spending bill, which included a measure for $25 billion in loans to the auto industry. These low-interest loans are intended to aid the industry in its push to build more fuel-efficient, environmentally-friendly vehicles. The Detroit 3 -- General Motors, Ford and Chrysler -- will be the primary beneficiaries. $25 billion
● Troubled Asset Relief Program 2008 In October 2008, Congress passed the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act, which authorized the Treasury Department to spend $700 billion to combat the financial crisis. Treasury has been doling out the money via an alphabet soup of different programs. Here’s our running tally of companies getting TARP funds. $700 billion
● Citigroup 2008 Citigroup received a $25 billion investment through the TARP in October and another $20 billion in November. (That $45 billion is also included in the TARP total.) Additional aid has come in the form of government guarantees to limit losses from a $301 billion pool of toxic assets. In addition to the Treasury's $5 billion commitment, the FDIC has committed $10 billion and the Federal Reserve up to about $220 billion. $280 billion
Ouch! Extract foot from mouth. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. :-X
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so how did that win him the election when noboby watches it ??? :D :D :D :D :D
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Obama is the product of the following:
1. MSM kneepadding.
2. Liberal White Guilt
3. Bush Fatigue.
4. McCain horrible campaign.
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And then there is this
Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story' -- Goldman Sachs Obama's #1 Private Contributor
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TA I posted a list of the GS employees currently in the WH. Look it up. they own him.
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The Center for Responsive Politics, a well-respected nonpartisan group that specializes in analyzing campaign data provided the following; Their numbers include contributions from employees and their immediate families.
Their analysis of the 2008 presidential campaign found that University of California employees were Obama's top donor, giving a collective $1.6 million. That system is run by the state of California, and hence is a public employer.
No. 2 was Goldman Sachs. Goldman employees gave Obama $994,795.
Obama's next biggest donors were the employees of Harvard University, Microsoft, Google, Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, Time Warner, the law firm Sidley Austin, and Stanford University. View Obama's complete list and amounts here. Incidentally, Goldman Sachs ranked No.4 on John McCain's list of employee contributions, at $230,095. Moore said that Goldman Sachs is Obama's "No. 1 private contributor." The data shows that is correct. We rate his statement True.
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Oh, you mean where were the teabaggers when the deficit was down to about 2% of GDP????? Yeah, where were they huh? Meanwhile, conservatives were ALWAYS criticising Bush for his spending. Please. And what Bush did was no where near to the level of what Obama was doing. Bush merely diverted some of the TARP funds to assist GM. It was Obama that actually bought shares into the company. So please stop the lack of clear thinking. You guys can come up with better arguments than this I hope.
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Oh, you mean where were the teabaggers when the deficit was down to about 2% of GDP????? Yeah, where were they huh? Meanwhile, conservatives were ALWAYS criticising Bush for his spending. Please. And what Bush did was no where near to the level of what Obama was doing. Bush merely diverted some of the TARP funds to assist GM. It was Obama that actually bought shares into the company. So please stop the lack of clear thinking. You guys can come up with better arguments than this I hope.
I think Bush really mailed it in at the end and let Paulson do everything. Paulson was the one threatening martial law, not Bush.
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TA - did you ever watch "The Warning" on that radical VRWC network PBS?
If not, you really should. Its mostly with this woman Brooklysey Borne and her attempts to shut down Rubin, Summers, Geithner, and Greenspan in 1999.
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"Paulson was the one threatening martial law, not Bush. "
I see. On his own authority? And wouldn't a repsonsible president kick the shit out of a person threatening this under Dubya's name?
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TA - did you ever watch "The Warning" on that radical VRWC network PBS?
If not, you really should. Its mostly with this woman Brooklysey Borne and her attempts to shut down Rubin, Summers, Geithner, and Greenspan in 1999.
Here: check this out:
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:echRyXNgsbwJ:www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/+pbs.org+the+warning&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Just make sure you dont kick in your monitor after watching this.
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"Paulson was the one threatening martial law, not Bush. "
I see. On his own authority? And wouldn't a repsonsible president kick the shit out of a person threatening this under Dubya's name?
240 - you really should do some research on this and how it went down. Go watch the Warning video I posted. Its from PBS.org.
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I dont trust PBS after the way Gwen ambushed palin in the Vp debate.
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Props to the very gross joy Behar for pointing this out.
It's good when people realize that whichever party the president is from - he was still going to be issuing all the tax dollars to keep all these companies afloat.
As TA showed above, Bush gave almost 3 TRILLION BUCKS to keep companies afloat, just in that short list. Repubs didn't vote against it - THEY SUPPORTED IT. Tea party people didn't march against it.
Suddenly a dem gets in, and lowers their personal income taxes while spending about as much as Bush did... and they're crying "civil war 2!" and "treason!"
It's sad, really. And 33- I think Romney, Rudy, hilary, Edwards, Huck - ALL OF THEM would be releasing tax dollars to keep the $ afloat, just like Bush, Mccain, and Obama did.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Lets not forget that there was potentially 2.5 trillion in lost revenue from the bush tax cuts to a small number of Americans. Not only that but we got into two wars, one because of lies and misinformation that has cost us not only financially (much more than Obama has ever done) but it destroyed the lives and families of thousands of Americans over lies from the president. Yet we still didn't have this tea party then, nor did we have 333 crying for a civil war. Lunacy.
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KC - when have I ever defended Bush?
No 2 - the Iraq War alone costs the same as the Stim Bill. Not that the two are the same, but financially, the two cost the same amount.
Also, the Fannie/Freddy bailouts alone are going to cost at least 400 Billion.
Obama makes Bush look like nothing as far as spending goes.
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It seems to me as long as you cut taxes for the wealthy, bail out companies without provisions, lie about and get into a costly stupid war you will still be better than the colored democrat in the white house who fiscally has done the exact same thing ???
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KC - when have I ever defended Bush?
No 2 - the Iraq War alone costs the same as the Stim Bill. Not that the two are the same, but financially, the two cost the same amount.
Also, the Fannie/Freddy bailouts alone are going to cost at least 400 Billion.
Obama makes Bush look like nothing as far as spending goes.
Have you ever wondered perhaps all this spending is in fact necessary? That in fact the economists who are advising the admin and the previous admin are highly educated men who understand what it takes to move us forward?
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Have you ever wondered perhaps all this spending is in fact necessary? That in fact the economists who are advising the admin and the previous admin are highly educated men who understand what it takes to move us forward?
LOL right right, when bush did it, it was cronism but now that obama is doing it "its necessary" LMFAO ::)
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“We only have one political party in the US, and that is the property party, which essentially is corporate America, which has two right wings, one called Republican and one called Democrat. I can’t say I like either of them"- Gore Vidal
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Joy may be a screech owl, but I have to admit that she has a point. Bush was the one who got us into two stalemate wars and got the Golden Parachute Socialism train rolling.
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Gore Vidal on Democrats and Religion. ;)
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Have you ever wondered perhaps all this spending is in fact necessary? That in fact the economists who are advising the admin and the previous admin are highly educated men who understand what it takes to move us forward?
You are no different than a religous nut who does things because the bible says so. These are educated people and therefore they say something and I stop thinking. You do know there are a lot of other educated people and economists who are saying the opposite?
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Bear with me here, Last video. This one comes from my Youtube channel.
My hero,
Huey P. Long, the Kingfish, illustrates the difference between Republicans and Democrats 80 years ago. Long`s words are just as relevant today as the same bark and tree are used to make the same medicine today. The ironic thing is, both "medicines" are snake oil. Classic Huey Long.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Lets not forget that there was potentially 2.5 trillion in lost revenue from the bush tax cuts to a small number of Americans. Not only that but we got into two wars, one because of lies and misinformation that has cost us not only financially (much more than Obama has ever done) but it destroyed the lives and families of thousands of Americans over lies from the president. Yet we still didn't have this tea party then, nor did we have 333 crying for a civil war. Lunacy.
I just love how we refer to giving money back to the people who earned it as "costing" the government. Where would that money have gone if it had not gone to the people? It probably would have been wasted. The government was flooded with revenues later into the decade. What you are saying is atleast very close to a non sequiter.
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Good point MMk. Its not the damn govts money!
Where bush was wrong was the drug bill, no child left behind, amnesty for illegals, and not pushing harder for entitlement reform.
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Did Bush take over GM and Chrysler?Did Bush dictate what CEOs could make?Did Bush take over the health care system?Did Bush try to take over the financial system?Did Bush give billions and billions of our money to filthy unions?Did Bush try to take over the energy industry?I dont recall Bush doing any of that.
I challenge anyone to answer Billy 's question one item at a time. If no one can answer it, then Im going to assume you people dont have any arguments and are just mindless Obama zombies who are trying desperately to cling to the belief that your hero is the messiah and would fix alll things, but slowly, but surely, you are coming to the realization that he is a disaster of a president and you are just in denial.
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I challenge anyone to answer Billy 's question one item at a time. If no one can answer it, then Im going to assume you people dont have any arguments and are just mindless Obama zombies.
There is no point to answer it since the Bailouts that Billy cited all happened under George Bush. His question would be impossible to answer because its not based in fact correctly.
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I just love how we refer to giving money back to the people who earned it as "costing" the government. Where would that money have gone if it had not gone to the people? It probably would have been wasted. The government was flooded with revenues later into the decade. What you are saying is atleast very close to a non sequiter.
Exactly.
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Bush LOANED money to GM. Obama BOUGHT shares in GM. Obama FIRED the CEO of GM. What is it that Billy is saying that is not fact?
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Not to mention all the talk about capping salaries.
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Bush LOANED money to GM. Obama BOUGHT shares in GM. Obama FIRED the CEO of GM. What is it that Billy is saying that is not fact?
That enables the public to make a return on their investment. This is always protocol for Government Bailouts since 1970 and even before.
Take a look at this site.
http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts
There is a tab labeled "What happened" for each bailout. In that section there is a link you can click on that says "What happened after the Bailout".
You can then see that the purchasing of shares for later resale at a guaranteed tax payer profit is the norm.
I also do not mind posting these results, but I think it may have more impact if you are able to see it for yourself.
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Bush LOANED money to GM. Obama BOUGHT shares in GM. Obama FIRED the CEO of GM. What is it that Billy is saying that is not fact?
For instance, here is the result of the Government Bailout of Chrysler in 1980:
Chrysler 1980 By 1983, seven years earlier than the scheduled deadline, Chrysler had paid back its loan with the aid of the guarantees from the U.S. government. The corporation bought back the 14.4 million stock warrants given to the government in exchange for the loan guarantee. Because Chrysler's finances had improved and its stock had bounced back -- it reported $1.7 billion in profits for the second quarter of 1984 -- the government netted a profit of more than $660 million from its bailout investment.
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Bush LOANED money to GM. Obama BOUGHT shares in GM. Obama FIRED the CEO of GM. What is it that Billy is saying that is not fact?
http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts
Bush did the EXACT same thing with the Airline Industry.
Airline Industry 2001 The Chrysler and airline bailout plans had a commonality: stock warrants. A provision inserted into the ATSS Act, which allowed the Treasury to purchase stock at below-market prices from any airline receiving a loan guarantee, allowed the Treasury to earn money. Reports varied on the total net profit, ranging from $141.7 million to $327 million. The loan guarantee program suffered one loss of about $23.2 million when ATA Airlines filed for bankruptcy protection.
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Who gives a shit where the protesters were during the last 8 years?! Does anyone here really think the majority of Americans weren't pissed off during Bush last term? The anger was there as was evidenced by a Democrat victory with promises of a 180 degree turn from where the country was headed. Through that historic election outcome many people have been temporarily pacified because they think a black guy as president means everything has actually changed politically but in reality its more of the same shit and that is why you are seeing more vocalized anger than ever before.
KRS1 explained this in Fall of the Republic and it makes total sense. Joy needs to shut her hole, I cant wait till her show goes off the air.
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I have posted that clip many times and it was it still to me the best commentary yet on this situation.
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Who gives a shit where the protesters were during the last 8 years?! Does anyone here really think the majority of Americans weren't pissed off during Bush last term? The anger was there as was evidenced by a Democrat victory with promises of a 180 degree turn from where the country was headed. Through that historic election outcome many people have been temporarily pacified because they think a black guy as president means everything has actually changed politically but in reality its more of the same shit and that is why you are seeing more vocalized anger than ever before.
KRS1 explained this in Fall of the Republic and it makes total sense. Joy needs to shut her hole, I cant wait till her show goes off the air.
QUIT MAKING SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Someone send that video to that annoying cow, please!
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I'm sorry- If your challenge to the tea parties involves anything connected to something that came out of Joy Behars mouth, you unintentionally owned yourself and should consider meeting with a psychiatrist.
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Where were the teabaggers? They were not yet mobilized because the extent of damage done by republicans and democrats alike were not yet known by many people.
Where was the USA and Britain in the early 1930s when Churchill warned against Hitler?? They were on the sidelines watching and not aware of what was developing. Same goes for the tea party movement.
Bush certainly fucked up nobody is excusing him but people only realized the magnitude by 2008. It was a gradual tsunami of fuckups. And now Obama is adding to it. And let's just make it clear it is not really Obama and Bush that's responsible. It's their puppet masters. They are the actors that impliment their masters' wishes. I guess they are responsible but not the masterminds.
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Who gives a shit where the protesters were during the last 8 years?! Does anyone here really think the majority of Americans weren't pissed off during Bush last term? The anger was there as was evidenced by a Democrat victory with promises of a 180 degree turn from where the country was headed. Through that historic election outcome many people have been temporarily pacified because they think a black guy as president means everything has actually changed politically but in reality its more of the same shit and that is why you are seeing more vocalized anger than ever before.
KRS1 explained this in Fall of the Republic and it makes total sense. Joy needs to shut her hole, I cant wait till her show goes off the air.
qft!
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Where were the teabaggers? They were not yet mobilized because the extent of damage done by republicans and democrats alike were not yet known by many people.
Where was the USA and Britain in the early 1930s when Churchill warned against Hitler?? They were on the sidelines watching and not aware of what was developing. Same goes for the tea party movement.
Bush certainly fucked up nobody is excusing him but people only realized the magnitude by 2008. It was a gradual tsunami of fuckups. And now Obama is adding to it. And let's just make it clear it is not really Obama and Bush that's responsible. It's their puppet masters. They are the actors that impliment their masters' wishes. I guess they are responsible but not the masterminds.
In the 30s the United States citizenry knew full well of Hitler and what he was doing. It was all over the Radio and the Newspapers. The Public and government was largely isolationist and did not support any involvement in helping Britain whatsoever, although Roosevelt was secretly providing aid to Britain at the time. Some Historians argue that Roosevelt was put in a position to where he had to wait for a direct attack, Pearl Harbor, in order to get the public behind the war because at the time over 90 percent did not want to enter any conflict overseas.
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In the 30s the United States citizenry knew full well of Hitler and what he was doing. It was all over the Radio and the Newspapers. The Public and government was largely isolationist and did not support any involvement in helping Britain whatsoever. Some Historians argue that Roosevelt was put in a position to where he had to wait for a direct attack, Pearl Harbor, in order to get the public behind the war because at the time over 90 percent did not want to enter any conflict overseas.
Exactly they did not want to enter conflict life was still too good (even though it was a depression at least it was still not yet involvement in war). Then when things took a shit turn for the worst (Pearl Harbor) and their hands were forced they had no choice but to enter the war. And it was easy because now the public wanted revenge!
Same for tea party movement. Things were still looking good for those that did not look under the surface from 2000-2007. Then people became more aware about outsourcing, falling wages, corruption in DC, pyramid schemes, fake wars, etc. The list just goes on one steaming stinking pile of shit upon shit.
Then you reach the tipping point.
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"Not to mention all the talk about capping salaries. "
Any CEO who needs OUR TAX DOLLARS to keep a company afloat, and keep getting a fat salary SHOULD have some limitations to how much he can earn.
it's akin to a welfare mother REFUSING to accept a $600 check cause she thinks she deserves $1000. Insane.
it's a fvcking handout - if you don't like the terms of it, try running the company your own way (um bankruptcy).
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When McCain supported TARP and said the "fundamentals of the economy" were strong, he lost the election right there
mccain lost the election when he picked the retard for vp :D :D :D :D :D
Wrong again!! In fact, the only time McCain surged ahead of Obama in the polls was AFTER he picked Palin. Before the economic collapse, he was ahead of Obama, with Palin bringing out supporters to his campaign stops, by the thousands.
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As soon as Palin opened her mouth, McCain's chances fell apart completely. Each week it was another episode of the idiot having a train wreck. Once the nation got a daily remind and refresher course on how big an idiot she is with her words and actions, it only pushed the moderates, independents and some Republicans over to the Obama side.
But then again that is what happens when you are foolish enough to try to capture the Hillary vote with a poor copy.
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Once again idiot libs posting.The banks have paid back the money[or are on the way to paying it back].The government has made 50 billion on the TARP bailout.How much have we made on the GM deal,the assinine stimulus deal?GM was taken over by Obama.Bush bailed them out,ObAMA RUNS IT!!!He dictates who the CEOS are ,what cars they can make.Its the governments company now and they have not paid back the money,they have paid back 13% of the money.This is more lib/union/democrat lies.Ford,which didnt take Obamas money,is kicking the shit out of GM ,which isnt a surprise when a community organiser tries to run a company.
Fannie and Freddy failed for one reason.DEMOCRATS!!!Bush tried to do something about it,the democrats stymied him,led by fag Frank Chris Dodd and Racist Maxine Waters.
Now,Obama is bailing ot idiots who took loans and cant pay them back,took over the student loan program,is in the process of taking over the financial industry,he has taken over the health care industry,and will soon try to take over the energy industry.All this from a little community agitator who has no expieriance in anything but rabble rousing.The future looks bright indeed.
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Once again idiot libs posting.The banks have paid back the money[or are on the way to paying it back].The government has made 50 billion on the TARP bailout.How much have we made on the GM deal,the assinine stimulus deal?GM was taken over by Obama.Bush bailed them out,ObAMA RUNS IT!!!He dictates who the CEOS are ,what cars they can make.Its the governments company now and they have not paid back the money,they have paid back 13% of the money.This is more lib/union/democrat lies.Ford,which didnt take Obamas money,is kicking the shit out of GM ,which isnt a surprise when a community organiser tries to run a company.
Fannie and Freddy failed for one reason.DEMOCRATS!!!Bush tried to do something about it,the democrats stymied him,led by fag Frank Chris Dodd and Racist Maxine Waters.
Now,Obama is bailing ot idiots who took loans and cant pay them back,took over the student loan program,is in the process of taking over the financial industry,he has taken over the health care industry,and will soon try to take over the energy industry.All this from a little community agitator who has no expieriance in anything but rabble rousing.The future looks bright indeed.
I would say they have not made any money. If you make $100 and spend $200 you have not made any money. You have lost $100.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/ (http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
12.8 trillion and counting. Excluding SS, Medicare, Medicaid etc.
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I would say they have not made any money. If you make $100 and spend $200 you have not made any money. You have lost $100.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/ (http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
12.8 trillion and counting. Excluding SS, Medicare, Medicaid etc.
I love the new spin about GM paying back "loans". The Taxpayer has spent about 45 Billion on that mess so far and they are bragging about 4 Billion?
Where did the money come from considering they LOST $4 Billion last quarter?
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'In fact, the only time McCain surged ahead of Obama in the polls was AFTER he picked Palin. '
Actually, this has to be the 3rd or 4th time this has come up.
Obama led MOST of the summer - after they were both the defacto candidate but before either chose a running mate.
Mccain did lead for a few of those weeks, however. It was close. Obama usually had the edge, but not EVERY time.
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As soon as Palin opened her mouth, McCain's chances fell apart completely. Each week it was another episode of the idiot having a train wreck. Once the nation got a daily remind and refresher course on how big an idiot she is with her words and actions, it only pushed the moderates, independents and some Republicans over to the Obama side.
But then again that is what happens when you are foolish enough to try to capture the Hillary vote with a poor copy.
Just not true.The fact is McCain fell out of the race the day he suspended his campaign and went to Washington and sat there like a dunce and then voted for the bailout.It was over right then and there and he never ever recovered from that.Palin didnt cost him the election,McCain cost himself the election as his entire campaign was a concession speech[to quote Rush].
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I would say they have not made any money. If you make $100 and spend $200 you have not made any money. You have lost $100.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/ (http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
12.8 trillion and counting. Excluding SS, Medicare, Medicaid etc.
12.8 trillion and counting EXCLUDING ss,Medicare and medicaide.If that isnt enough to scare people to death I dont know what will.
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1. "Fundamentals of the Economy are Strong"
2. "We have nothing to worry about from an Obama Presidency"
3. Suspending his campaign.
4. War for another 100 years.
and on and on, yet people like 240 blame Palin. Unreal.
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mccain made a lot of screwups.
If anyone here believes palin was 0% of his problems, that she only helped him...
well, that's your opinion. 60% of actual voters said she wasn't even prepared to be VICE prez. that speaks volumes.
whatever the reason, MOST conservative primary voters were stupid enough to pick one of the 4 RINOs that fox called "viable", and ignored conservative candidates.
And guess what... your stupid asses will probably do it again. 2012 frontrunners right now, ala INTRADE? Palin and Romney. You stupid shits are going to do it again. bra-fvcking-vo. RINOs. Spend happy rinos. Bush defending RINOs.
it makes me sick, really. You bitch about libs then you pick RINOs. WTF?
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I hope someone like Christie would be there, but it is toosoon.
Since I am close to NJ I get a lot of local NJ news. The man is a machine. I hope he goes for it in 2016. Christie really is best the GOP has right now.
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sorry for the anger... i just sat there in 2008 and shook my head as repub candidates romney, rudy screamed 'lib' at each other.
they were both right. they both sucked.
And they defended Bush on everything - who supported amnesty, bank bailouts, $3+ trillion spent on various bank and auto bailouts - Bush ended up being quite the lib.
RPaul was the only one with the balls to attack Bush. And he was the only one that could have clobbered obama.
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240 - check this joke a buddy sent me last night.
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In Washington, D.C. an old priest lay dying in the hospital. For years he had faithfully served the people of the nation's capital. He motioned for his nurse to come near.
"Yes, Father?" said the nurse
"I would really like to see President Obama and Speaker Pelosi before I die", whispered the priest.
"I'll see what I can do, Father", replied the nurse
The nurse sent the request to The President and Congress and waited for a response. Soon the word arrived; President Obama and Nancy Pelosi would be delighted to visit the priest.
As they went to the hospital, Obama commented to Pelosi, "I don't know why the old priest wants to see us, but it will certainly help our images and might even get me re-elected. After all, I'm IN IT TO WIN."
Pelosi agreed that it was a good thing.
When they arrived at the priest's room, the priest took Obama's hand in his right hand and Pelosi's hand in his left hand. There was silence and a look of serenity on the old priest's face.
Finally President Obama spoke. "Father, of all the people you could have chosen, why did you choose us to be with you as you near the end?"
The old priest slowly replied, "I have always tried to pattern my life after our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."
"Amen", said Obama
"Amen", said Pelosi
The old priest continued, "Jesus died between two lying thieves; I would like to do the same"
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sorry for the anger... i just sat there in 2008 and shook my head as repub candidates romney, rudy screamed 'lib' at each other.
they were both right. they both sucked.
And they defended Bush on everything - who supported amnesty, bank bailouts, $3+ trillion spent on various bank and auto bailouts - Bush ended up being quite the lib.
RPaul was the only one with the balls to attack Bush. And he was the only one that could have clobbered obama.
I dont know why you dont think guys like Pence or Paul Ryan or Thune wont get in.You keep pushing Palin because of your derangement syndrome of her,but she isnt going to run.
Once again,the conservatives who ran STUNK,other then Paul!BUT EVERY Republican who ran was better then Obama, and Palin,as bad as she is,is better then the dunce Joe Biden,the dumbest man in the senate[and most selfish]who has been wrong on every issue he has ever stood for.ANYTHING you knock Palin for supporting,Biden supported it as well.So if she is dumb,he is dumber as he also opposed Reagan every step of the way in the cold war,and voted against EVERY tax cut in history.[thats real tax cut as cuts in the rate].
So,bitch about the republicans till your blue in the face,all of them are better,more qualified and are better men then the little community organiser.
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no no no -
INTRADE, the world top wagering site that gets most things right - has palin and romney #1 and #2.
And honestly - of course ryan and thune and pence are better - but who do you REALLY thing the repubs will nominate?
Honestly... if you had to put $ down right now... would you bet pence will beat Romney? I mean, REALLY? Being better isn't what it's about - it's about having the cash and the political infrastructure to do this. Romney has it, as will Palin. i love the other 3 and would send them $ - but I really think FOX will let their sweethearts have all the airtime, and tell us who isn't viable.
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"So,bitch about the republicans till your blue in the face,all of them are better,more qualified and are better men then the little community organiser."
Of course they are.
But obama has a tv network behind him. he has name recognition. he has the entire political structure. So does palin and romney.
it's gonna be a RINO in 2012 guys, I'm afraid so.
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no no no -
INTRADE, the world top wagering site that gets most things right - has palin and romney #1 and #2.
And honestly - of course ryan and thune and pence are better - but who do you REALLY thing the repubs will nominate?
Honestly... if you had to put $ down right now... would you bet pence will beat Romney? I mean, REALLY? Being better isn't what it's about - it's about having the cash and the political infrastructure to do this. Romney has it, as will Palin. i love the other 3 and would send them $ - but I really think FOX will let their sweethearts have all the airtime, and tell us who isn't viable.
goodness gracious youre a fuking idiot ::)
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240 - 2012!
Why not? You will jhave the entire Getbig community behind you.
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"So,bitch about the republicans till your blue in the face,all of them are better,more qualified and are better men then the little community organiser."
Of course they are.
But obama has a tv network behind him. he has name recognition. he has the entire political structure. So does palin and romney.
it's gonna be a RINO in 2012 guys, I'm afraid so.
And as long as they oppose Obama then thats ok because the congress and senate is going far right.
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"goodness gracious youre a fuking idiot "
here we go again. you disagree so it's going here again. super duper. i'm going to free republic to debate. a little less anger there :)
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no no no -
INTRADE, the world top wagering site that gets most things right - has palin and romney #1 and #2.
And honestly - of course ryan and thune and pence are better - but who do you REALLY thing the repubs will nominate?
Honestly... if you had to put $ down right now... would you bet pence will beat Romney? I mean, REALLY? Being better isn't what it's about - it's about having the cash and the political infrastructure to do this. Romney has it, as will Palin. i love the other 3 and would send them $ - but I really think FOX will let their sweethearts have all the airtime, and tell us who isn't viable.
What did intrade place the odds at 2 years before on the democratic race between Hillary and Obama?Its over two years away,take it easy.By the way,Romney was a shoe in last time,he lost if I remember.Thompson was the front runner in the media for a while ,how did he do?I remember when Gulliana was the guy,where was he?Two and a half years out did the experts have Obama as the winner?
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And guess what... your stupid asses will probably do it again. 2012 frontrunners right now, ala INTRADE? Palin and Romney. You stupid shits are going to do it again. bra-fvcking-vo. RINOs. Spend happy rinos. Bush defending RINOs.
it makes me sick, really. You bitch about libs then you pick RINOs. WTF?
My memory could be off, but didn't you think McCain should have picked Romney as his VP candidate?
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in order to get elected, yes, romney would have been the wiser choice for mccain than palin. Romney had some economic credibility. palin's only (possible) area of expertise? Mccain saying she "knows more about energy than anyone else in the united states". yes, real quote. She wasn't anything foreign policy, she wasn't military, she wasn't economically strong... she had a year of governor of 600k people, and a whole lotta spunk.
At that point, it was all RINOs left standing. As will be the case in 2012. Unfortunately.
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"goodness gracious youre a fuking idiot "
here we go again. you disagree so it's going here again. super duper. i'm going to free republic to debate. a little less anger there :)
you know its like I said about big ben...you act like an idiot and you get treated like one...idiot!!! ::)
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in order to get elected, yes, romney would have been the wiser choice for mccain than palin. Romney had some economic credibility. palin's only (possible) area of expertise? Mccain saying she "knows more about energy than anyone else in the united states". yes, real quote. She wasn't anything foreign policy, she wasn't military, she wasn't economically strong... she had a year of governor of 600k people, and a whole lotta spunk.
At that point, it was all RINOs left standing. As will be the case in 2012. Unfortunately.
What was Joe Bidens area of expertise again?He has been wrong on every issue ESPECIALLY foreign policy.In fact,what was Obamas area of expertise?Im not sure if community organising is good training for running the country do you?
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mccain made a lot of screwups.
If anyone here believes palin was 0% of his problems, that she only helped him...
well, that's your opinion. 60% of actual voters said she wasn't even prepared to be VICE prez. that speaks volumes.
whatever the reason, MOST conservative primary voters were stupid enough to pick one of the 4 RINOs that fox called "viable", and ignored conservative candidates.
And guess what... your stupid asses will probably do it again. 2012 frontrunners right now, ala INTRADE? Palin and Romney. You stupid shits are going to do it again. bra-fvcking-vo. RINOs. Spend happy rinos. Bush defending RINOs.
it makes me sick, really. You bitch about libs then you pick RINOs. WTF?
When did McCain EVER surge ahead of Obama, prior to picking Palin?
McCain didn't have the coservative base behind him. The news commentators from virtually every network noticed this. Nobody was motivated to back McCain. He basically got the GOP nomination by default.
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'When did McCain EVER surge ahead of Obama, prior to picking Palin?'
Can somebody please post July Gallup daily polls? I looked it up before and posted it - it's in my history. Obama led he majority of the time, but Mccain did clip him at time.
And BILLY - Biden being a bloated dumbass - that's your best defense for palin? Hey, there's dog crap on your shoe billy... "Nuh-uh, you have dog shit on your show too!"