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48 friggin minutes...can ya type the cliff notes plez
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48 friggin minutes...can ya type the cliff notes plez
The video goes into a bit more detail on each of these reasons but here they are............
10) God cannot be born
-God was not born
-Jesus was born
9) There is no explicit verses in any scripture or text especially the Bible that said so
-Jesus never said “I’m God”
-Jesus never said “Worship me”
-No explicit statement ever in the Bible that said so
8. No one has seen God at any time
-No one has ever seen God
-People saw Jesus
-No one can see God in this life
7) Trinity concept was not taught by Jesus. This whole concept of Trinity did not come about until the 3rd century of the church and this is not formulated as a doctrine and must be believed in until 325 AD
-Jesus never taught the Trinity
-Word Trinity no where in the Bible
-Trinity is something man made
6) God by His very nature is self-sufficent, He does not need anything to continue His existence
-God don’t sleep, eat, drink, etc
-Jesus slept, ate food, drank
-Jesus is a messenger not God
5) Jesus claim that God knowledge is greater than him
-God knows everything
-Jesus didn’t know everything
-Jesus is a messenger not God
4) Jesus explicitly stated that he is not God
-“This is eternal life: to know you, the one true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent” (John 17:3)
3) Son of God is not an exclusive title
-God doesn’t die
-God doesn’t have children
-God doesn’t have human needs
2) God cannot change
-Only God is perfect
-God doesn’t change
-God message has always been the same
1) God is the essence of worship
What God wants of you:
-Worship God alone and not His creations
-Obey God and not your desires
-Submit and surrender to God alone in peace
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IF god or god(s) exist... how do we know what they can or can't do? And while the bible says no man has seen gods face, there is a verse in the old testament where Moses spoke to god "face to face, as a man speaks to his friend"...
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Reason no.1 god DOESN'T EXIST..
case closed.
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The video goes into a bit more detail on each of these reasons but here they are............
10) God cannot be born
-God was not born
-Jesus was born
Jesus was born only in His human form. Otherwise, Jesus is eternal.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
9) There is no explicit verses in any scripture or text especially the Bible that said so
-Jesus never said “I’m God”
-Jesus never said “Worship me”
-No explicit statement ever in the Bible that said so
John 10:30-33
"I and the Father are one."
Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"
"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
John 14:8-9
Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
John 8:57-59
"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
(EGOEIMI)=I AM God. Check it in Greek, from a reliable lexical source, not some English dictionary.
Looking back in the Old Testament
Exodus 3:14
God said to Moses, "I am who I am . This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
8. No one has seen God at any time
-No one has ever seen God
-People saw Jesus
-No one can see God in this life
Genesis 32:30
So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared."
Exodus 24:11
But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.
Numbers 12:8
With him I speak face to face, clearly and not in riddles; he sees the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?"
Judges 13:22
"We are doomed to die!" he said to his wife. "We have seen God!"
7) Trinity concept was not taught by Jesus. This whole concept of Trinity did not come about until the 3rd century of the church and this is not formulated as a doctrine and must be believed in until 325 AD
-Jesus never taught the Trinity
-Word Trinity no where in the Bible
-Trinity is something man made
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
Mark 12:36
David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: " 'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet." '
Looking back in the Old Testament
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness
Genesis 19:24
Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the LORD out of the heavens.
6) God by His very nature is self-sufficent, He does not need anything to continue His existence
-God don’t sleep, eat, drink, etc
-Jesus slept, ate food, drank
-Jesus is a messenger not God
Only in His human form did Jesus eat, drink and sleep. Likewise, in the Old Testament God took human form and ate and drank with Abraham:
Genesis 18:1-2,8
The LORD appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.
8 He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree.
5) Jesus claim that God knowledge is greater than him
-God knows everything
-Jesus didn’t know everything
-Jesus is a messenger not God
Jesus knows everything.
In His human form, there is a lot that Jesus did not know at first, but knew later. As a baby, he did not know how to talk, how to walk, etc. But as He grew, he came to know these things. At some point Jesus said that only The Father knows the day and the hour of the end of time. But after His death and resurrection, Jesus knew everything.
Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
4) Jesus explicitly stated that he is not God
-“This is eternal life: to know you, the one true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent” (John 17:3)
Where exactly in John 17:3 Jesus "explicitly stated that he is not God"?
Here is John the Baptist explicitly stating that he(John the Baptist) is not the Messiah or Christ:
John 1:20
He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, "I am not the Christ. "
Where in the Bible does Jesus say "I am not God"? Nowhere.
By contrast, Jesus did say that He is God:
John 10:30-33
"I and the Father are one."
Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"
"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
John 14:8-9
Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
John 8:57-59
"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
(EGOEIMI)=I AM God. Check it in Greek, from a reliable lexical source, not some English dictionary.
Looking back in the Old Testament
Exodus 3:14
God said to Moses, "I am who I am . This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
3) Son of God is not an exclusive title
-God doesn’t die
-God doesn’t have children
-God doesn’t have human needs
Yes, that is correct! God doesn’t die. Jesus died only in the flesh, and rose again.
Correct! God doesn’t have human needs.
God doesn't have children that are also God, except for Jesus. God is one in three persons and one of those persons is called The Father, another one The Son, and the third one The Holy Spirit. These three persons are one God.
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
Mark 12:36
David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: " 'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet." '
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness
Genesis 19:24
Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the LORD out of the heavens.
2) God cannot change
-Only God is perfect
-God doesn’t change
-God message has always been the same
Yes, that is correct! So?
1) God is the essence of worship
What God wants of you:
-Worship God alone and not His creations
-Obey God and not your desires
-Submit and surrender to God alone in peace
Luke 4:8
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.' "
In the Bible, whenever an angel appeared to a man, and the man would kneel before the angel and worshiped the angel, the angel would always stop the man and tell him not to worship angels, but to worship God.
Revelation 22:8-9
I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!"
On the other hand, whenever people would kneel before Jesus and worshiped him, Jesus did not stop them. Instead Jesus allowed them to worship him. Likewise, when people called Jesus GOD, Jesus did not correct them or stop them.
Matthew 14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."
Luke 24:52
Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.
John 20:28-29
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
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Thanks loco!
CC973, would you please share what Denomination you are, if any?
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Jesus was not god because he was a carpenter :)
sorry, had to throw that in the bag..